I see that it's common. But does anyone have the circling of thoughts right after, like rapid fire? As soon as I'm done with POS walking to my bed etc, just racing of thoughts, work, or what I'm going to eat tomorrow, etc haha. But it's sooooo fast... boom boom boom.
Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program
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beetlemaniac
The Living Force
Davy27 said:
Hmm, you said that you do it sitting in front of your computer in an uncomfortable chair. Have you tried doing it lying down in bed? Maybe that would make a difference, being in a more relaxed posture. That's how I do the whole program. As written in the book In an Unspoken Voice, our bodily postures have an effect on our mental and emotional activity. On top of that, you may not be able to belly breathe as effectively while sitting.
For me, a "good" session would be one where I was completely relaxed and calm at the end of it. It definitely doesn't end up that way all the time. I suggest you give it some time and read the FAQ about other's experiences as well. It sounds as though your body going through a sort of emotional detox. FWIW.
Just thought I'd share my latest experience with EE and generally 'where I'm at' in the past couple of weeks.
During and after the meditation last night I had a short crying session, over nothing in particular, just the general madness and suffering of this world. After this my emotions seemed to stabalise and I got out of bed feeling rather strange. It has happened before after both EE and moments of long reflection and insight, and is hard to describe.
Impersonal would be the right word, like I partly 'transcended' my personality and had a total break from internal considering.
I was also looking into the mirror in the bathroom and in that state of perception my face seemed to have taken on some timeless, androgynous quality (minus the facial hair
). It was very similar to how I used to appear in the mirror during experiments with hallucinogens in earlier days. I hope I'm not engaging in magical thinking here, it was just something I observed.
The state quickly faded though, after being brought back down to earth by the gang of small fry petty tyrants I am so lucky to live with. I'm seeing the different little I's more and more acutely, and am totally unsatisfied with how easily my personality is shifted by external events like a pebble in the ocean. The cold nights and short daylight hours here are getting to my mood a little, though I know they shouldn't. I want very much to become like Mt Fuji!
All in all, though progress is slow, I am appreciating the effect of EE on my long journey to become my own master.
During and after the meditation last night I had a short crying session, over nothing in particular, just the general madness and suffering of this world. After this my emotions seemed to stabalise and I got out of bed feeling rather strange. It has happened before after both EE and moments of long reflection and insight, and is hard to describe.
Impersonal would be the right word, like I partly 'transcended' my personality and had a total break from internal considering.
I was also looking into the mirror in the bathroom and in that state of perception my face seemed to have taken on some timeless, androgynous quality (minus the facial hair
). It was very similar to how I used to appear in the mirror during experiments with hallucinogens in earlier days. I hope I'm not engaging in magical thinking here, it was just something I observed.The state quickly faded though, after being brought back down to earth by the gang of small fry petty tyrants I am so lucky to live with. I'm seeing the different little I's more and more acutely, and am totally unsatisfied with how easily my personality is shifted by external events like a pebble in the ocean. The cold nights and short daylight hours here are getting to my mood a little, though I know they shouldn't. I want very much to become like Mt Fuji!
All in all, though progress is slow, I am appreciating the effect of EE on my long journey to become my own master.
R
Ripred
Guest
I had a nice scream when I tried to lie flat on the floor, rib injury not healed yet :). Also, the rib injury led to pneumonia (was in October) but I guess the lungs aren't up to capacity yet as I had a hard time with the length of breath and holding so stress ensued. And some coughing. That surprised me as I've done lots of meditative breathing in the past and am not bad at belly breathing, albeit not as good as those women as my hands sure don't move apart that much! I guess for me, I had best step back and just do natural breathing with a bit of the "ha" til I get back on track.
Thank you Laura for putting that wonderful program together.
Thank you Laura for putting that wonderful program together.
Ripred said:
You can always lie down in bed or a couch, no need to hurt further your already injured body.
Ripred said:
If it's too much for your lungs, for now you can try it out with a different count and shorter holding of breath, like: inhale for 4, hold for 2, exhale for 7, hold for 2, and so on, while still applying pipe-breathing, if you have no problem with that.
R
Ripred
Guest
Thank you Alana. Good tips and very much appreciated. I did immediately move to a reclining chair. But for sure, I will shorten the count and build up.
I have been doing EE since beginning. That's more than 3 years now.
The first benefit I felt from EE was stress relief. I used to have panic attacks for no apparent reason. I had done all the medical tests but the doctors didn't found anything. They did gave me drug that would slow down my heart rate, but I felt bad taking it so I decided to stop taking that drug and try something else. I increased my physical activity (going to gym, swimming, running) and that stopped my panic attacks for couple of years. But then it came back again. At about that time you made this EE program and I started practicing it. And my panic attacks disappeared again.
Second thing was sleep paralysis. It also one night appeared in my life and happened maybe once a month or less. I would wake up but my body wouldn't. So I would have to wait for couple of minutes until my body also awakes. I didn't feel any pain but it was horrible feeling. But since I started doing EE that paralysis completely disappeared!
Third thing was breadthing. During the day I was able to breathe through my nose, but in the evening when I went to sleep, my sinuses would close and I would have to breathe through my mouth whole night. But with EE that changed too. I can now breathe through my nose even when I sleep. That's a huge relief!
My sleep overall improved a lot. I can go to sleep much faster and wake up easier than before.
And now we come to the meditation part. At first I thought that that part was very boring. I was never much interested in meditation. And for two months nothing happened but Laura said: "just keep doing, be patient", and I sad to myself: "OK, since other parts are working maybe this will too, eventually".
And then it happened. One night all of a sudden a huge influx of energy started flowing through my body. I was a little bit afraid, but it felt so good. Tomorrow my aunt was visiting us and when I putted my hand on her shoulder she sad to me that she feels such a positive energy coming from me. And she never said that before to me! That told me that something was definitely going on with my body and that I wasn't fantasizing.
I continued with EE and since that day I was able to feel that energy flowing maybe every fifth day during POTS. I would feel warmth coming into my body and staying there as long as I didn't move. I also started feeling tremors in varyous parts of my body. Probably parts where energy flow was being unblocked.
After couple of months the influx of energy changed. I started feeling much stronger influx of energy but which lasted only couple of seconds, not minutes like in the first phase. And had less frequency of appearing. Seven days or more. Between those days I would feel a gently influx of energy and relaxation, but nothing big.
And here unfortunately comes the bad part. After two years of practicing I stopped feeling that energy. My sinuses started to close, and my sleep started to get worse. I thought that energy would come back if I persist doing EE, but it didn't.
And then I remembered reading about one technique of creating "positive energy". It sounded silly at first, but since meditation stopped working in my case I said to myself that I don't have much to lose if I try that. And I incorporated that technique into EE three moths ago to see what will happen.
The technique is very simple and consists of "spinning the chakras". One woman from Croatia wrote a book about energetic vampirism in her family, and how, reading the various materials about that topic, discovered method that helped her with her energetic problems. You can get her book on kindle: _http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006IH6RWO
This is her blog: _http://mindpositive.bloger.index.hr
What I'm doing is that before doing the POTS, for couple of minutes, I would, with my mind, spin my chakras in appropriate direction that Serena described. And than I would continue with the POTS. For some reason that combination really works. I feel again that energy that I felt before, my sinuses are open again, and I sleep better again. Only this time I feel that energy every time during the POTS, instead of every 5 days or more.
The first benefit I felt from EE was stress relief. I used to have panic attacks for no apparent reason. I had done all the medical tests but the doctors didn't found anything. They did gave me drug that would slow down my heart rate, but I felt bad taking it so I decided to stop taking that drug and try something else. I increased my physical activity (going to gym, swimming, running) and that stopped my panic attacks for couple of years. But then it came back again. At about that time you made this EE program and I started practicing it. And my panic attacks disappeared again.
Second thing was sleep paralysis. It also one night appeared in my life and happened maybe once a month or less. I would wake up but my body wouldn't. So I would have to wait for couple of minutes until my body also awakes. I didn't feel any pain but it was horrible feeling. But since I started doing EE that paralysis completely disappeared!
Third thing was breadthing. During the day I was able to breathe through my nose, but in the evening when I went to sleep, my sinuses would close and I would have to breathe through my mouth whole night. But with EE that changed too. I can now breathe through my nose even when I sleep. That's a huge relief!
My sleep overall improved a lot. I can go to sleep much faster and wake up easier than before.
And now we come to the meditation part. At first I thought that that part was very boring. I was never much interested in meditation. And for two months nothing happened but Laura said: "just keep doing, be patient", and I sad to myself: "OK, since other parts are working maybe this will too, eventually".
And then it happened. One night all of a sudden a huge influx of energy started flowing through my body. I was a little bit afraid, but it felt so good. Tomorrow my aunt was visiting us and when I putted my hand on her shoulder she sad to me that she feels such a positive energy coming from me. And she never said that before to me! That told me that something was definitely going on with my body and that I wasn't fantasizing.
I continued with EE and since that day I was able to feel that energy flowing maybe every fifth day during POTS. I would feel warmth coming into my body and staying there as long as I didn't move. I also started feeling tremors in varyous parts of my body. Probably parts where energy flow was being unblocked.
After couple of months the influx of energy changed. I started feeling much stronger influx of energy but which lasted only couple of seconds, not minutes like in the first phase. And had less frequency of appearing. Seven days or more. Between those days I would feel a gently influx of energy and relaxation, but nothing big.
And here unfortunately comes the bad part. After two years of practicing I stopped feeling that energy. My sinuses started to close, and my sleep started to get worse. I thought that energy would come back if I persist doing EE, but it didn't.
And then I remembered reading about one technique of creating "positive energy". It sounded silly at first, but since meditation stopped working in my case I said to myself that I don't have much to lose if I try that. And I incorporated that technique into EE three moths ago to see what will happen.
The technique is very simple and consists of "spinning the chakras". One woman from Croatia wrote a book about energetic vampirism in her family, and how, reading the various materials about that topic, discovered method that helped her with her energetic problems. You can get her book on kindle: _http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006IH6RWO
This is her blog: _http://mindpositive.bloger.index.hr
What I'm doing is that before doing the POTS, for couple of minutes, I would, with my mind, spin my chakras in appropriate direction that Serena described. And than I would continue with the POTS. For some reason that combination really works. I feel again that energy that I felt before, my sinuses are open again, and I sleep better again. Only this time I feel that energy every time during the POTS, instead of every 5 days or more.
Timey
Jedi Master
I've been having some interesting experience with the meditation now that I've started again.
Couple of days ago I totally "let go" which I've never managed to do before. Tonight I came out of it with this intense feeling of needing to read, and I stayed up all night with Trapped in The Mirror. Got half way through in one night and am now pretty angry.
Couple of days ago I totally "let go" which I've never managed to do before. Tonight I came out of it with this intense feeling of needing to read, and I stayed up all night with Trapped in The Mirror. Got half way through in one night and am now pretty angry.
yev
The Force is Strong With This One
Laura said:As promised, we have put up the first part of a three part series teaching the breathing techniques recommended by the Cs:
Éiriú Eolas
As you can see below, we are working on the video portion and there will be a final audio segment.
UPDATE:
The Eíriú-Eolas Breathing Program is now available online!!!
The set contains 1 DVD and 2 CDs.
The Limited Special Edition comes with an autographed copy of the Prayer of the Soul.
i should have it in two weeks! looking forward!
thanks everyone for the efforts!!
Hey all I have a question, after running through the board I read posts from people mentioning do the POTS longer? What's the benefit of this? They were talking about doing it for 30 minutes? Does that mean meditating while it continues to play and play? Or is it merely listening to it throughout the day?
Davy27 said:
Either, or both. PotS is beneficial and is cumulative every time that you either recite or listen to it. Each session builds on previous sessions. Personally, besides doing a 'complete session' on Mondays and Thursdays, I recite it several times (after pipe breathing) just before going to sleep, and immediately after pipe breathing on awakening in the morning - every day. Remember, that the first ten minutes of the day and the last ten minutes of the day are effective in influencing the unconscious mind.
As for my experiences in the last week of EE, they are similar to the previous week:
I've just woken up from a short dream after doing the full program and wanted to share here as long as it's fresh, and in doing so, perhaps reach out to others, just like I'm feeling my spirits lifted when I read about others' positive accounts here.
In the dream I was in my apartment, and first I saw a spider at the wall and I reacted hysterically. Then I was shown the dynamic of dissociation I've been repeatedly engaging in, and there was my sister who symbolized the connection to the past for me to look into. What she did in the dream was a symbol for wasting my energy and I erupted in rage at her (while 'she' reacted defiant and indifferent as to the importance of it). In between, I found that the lights weren't working and I went checking all the lights in my apartment and then found that the lights were only working in my bedroom [where I also do my studying/reading irl]. I then fixed it by switching a switch at the fuse panel and when I went into my bathroom, the lights were more beautiful than I'd ever seen them before. Then, the sound in my head started going again [this sound sometimes occurs after having done the Beatha part]. With it came a visceral image of the moments when I feel and extend my care for others, and then, this turned around and I was giving this care to myself, shown by flooding it through my body. All this culminated with the information of the C's "Help is on the way!" and that this help is us. After that, I slowly came awake and was looking at it all again to make sure to remember it, and I was feeling grateful, which was followed by the usual program of exaggeratingly wanting to thank. But I saw that this love has nothing sentimental to it at all, that it was simply natural, a given.
In the dream I was in my apartment, and first I saw a spider at the wall and I reacted hysterically. Then I was shown the dynamic of dissociation I've been repeatedly engaging in, and there was my sister who symbolized the connection to the past for me to look into. What she did in the dream was a symbol for wasting my energy and I erupted in rage at her (while 'she' reacted defiant and indifferent as to the importance of it). In between, I found that the lights weren't working and I went checking all the lights in my apartment and then found that the lights were only working in my bedroom [where I also do my studying/reading irl]. I then fixed it by switching a switch at the fuse panel and when I went into my bathroom, the lights were more beautiful than I'd ever seen them before. Then, the sound in my head started going again [this sound sometimes occurs after having done the Beatha part]. With it came a visceral image of the moments when I feel and extend my care for others, and then, this turned around and I was giving this care to myself, shown by flooding it through my body. All this culminated with the information of the C's "Help is on the way!" and that this help is us. After that, I slowly came awake and was looking at it all again to make sure to remember it, and I was feeling grateful, which was followed by the usual program of exaggeratingly wanting to thank. But I saw that this love has nothing sentimental to it at all, that it was simply natural, a given.
Ah-Rei-Aan
The Force is Strong With This One
I purchased the Eirue Eolas “Growth of Knowledge” program a few weeks ago after watching an Interview with Mrs. Laura Knight-Jadczyk on Project Camelot. I followed the instructions just as suggested, then settled down for my first meditation session. In the beginning of the session I couldn't breathe along with the rhythmic counting. Occasionally, coughing, sniffling, losing focus or clearing my throat but as the session continued I soon began to relax and focus on the counting [during the Round Breathing part]. As the session continued to the main meditative part I found myself in a state where I couldn't feel the outline of my body. I didn't feel my extremities, torso or denseness of my body. Then during the Prayer of the Soul I began to feel emotions starting to erupt and by the end of the session, I released them.
As I keep practicing this program my sinuses are now open [only one at a time has been for a long time]. I can follow the rhythmic breathing all the way through without any distractions of coughing or sniffling. I have vivid dreams and some lucid dreams. And now finally I can achieve a good nights rest.
I will continue the program until other wise and I recommend this to anyone who’s seeking away to truly relax and relieve the stress of everyday life.
As I keep practicing this program my sinuses are now open [only one at a time has been for a long time]. I can follow the rhythmic breathing all the way through without any distractions of coughing or sniffling. I have vivid dreams and some lucid dreams. And now finally I can achieve a good nights rest.
I will continue the program until other wise and I recommend this to anyone who’s seeking away to truly relax and relieve the stress of everyday life.
