Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Lucius]

Have you generally problems with sleeping? Eventually it could be of help sleeping in total darkness?

Are You Getting Enough Sleep? Sleeping properly?

And what for a crystal did you use or what did you expect from a crystal?

That was night when I can't sleep normally I have no problem with that.
I was sleeping in total darkness about 2-3 year ago when someone at forum find information about that - from that time I have moved and now I have no condition to full darkners at my room.

Crystal I'm doing EE and Pray of the soul. Expect I have askend question as usually What I can do better in my life.

 

[daddycat]

I did the full program twice this past week, so I feel like I am getting back on track. Before that, I had not done EE for 2-3 weeks. I struggle to stay consistent with twice a week.

Pipe breathing is still the most difficult part for me. It is not so much the breathing now, but holding my hands and arms at my stomach, chest, and shoulder. My back does not feel comfortable, so sometimes I let my hands and arms drop down besides me when not inhaling.

 

[Nienna]

I did the full program twice this past week, so I feel like I am getting back on track. Before that, I had not done EE for 2-3 weeks. I struggle to stay consistent with twice a week.

Pipe breathing is still the most difficult part for me. It is not so much the breathing now, but holding my hands and arms at my stomach, chest, and shoulder. My back does not feel comfortable, so sometimes I let my hands and arms drop down besides me when not inhaling.

Just in case you aren't aware, you can do EE in any position; sitting on the floor on in a chair, reclining in a recliner, lying down in bed or on the floor, whatever position is most comfortable for you. Once you are in a comfortable position, maybe the arms won't be such a problem.

Also, you may be tensing you arms or shoulders. Try to relax you shoulders and see if this makes a difference.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I did the full program twice this past week, so I feel like I am getting back on track. Before that, I had not done EE for 2-3 weeks. I struggle to stay consistent with twice a week.

Pipe breathing is still the most difficult part for me. It is not so much the breathing now, but holding my hands and arms at my stomach, chest, and shoulder. My back does not feel comfortable, so sometimes I let my hands and arms drop down besides me when not inhaling.

Just in case you aren't aware, you can do EE in any position; sitting on the floor on in a chair, reclining in a recliner, lying down in bed or on the floor, whatever position is most comfortable for you. Once you are in a comfortable position, maybe the arms won't be such a problem.

Also, you may be tensing you arms or shoulders. Try to relax you shoulders and see if this makes a difference.

I experience some strain when doing pipe breathing as well, especially in the second stage with my hands on my chest. I have found, that this lessens with consistent practice. I do three stage breathing and warriors breath each morning and the full program at least once a week. So I think consistency in doing it is the key.

And as Nienna says finding the best position for you is important. I usually relax in my lazy boy recliner, good support so there is less strain in the positions all around. Experimenting is the way to find the right way for you.

Mac

 

[monotonic]

Having moved residence recently, I was exhausted but didn't have a sound system to use for EE. I kept doing POTS before sleep, but I found that watching a candle flame during this helped me to relax.

 

[daddycat]

Yesterday and today I tried to do the full program. I now lay down for the full program to avoid strain of my shoulders or back during pipe breathing. Yesterday I was in and out off sleep during pipe breathing, and then completely asleep before round breathing started. Today I fell in and out of sleep through the whole program.

 

[herondancer]

Yesterday and today I tried to do the full program. I now lay down for the full program to avoid strain of my shoulders or back during pipe breathing. Yesterday I was in and out off sleep during pipe breathing, and then completely asleep before round breathing started. Today I fell in and out of sleep through the whole program.

Laying down is a great way to do EE. It's ok if you fall 'in and out of sleep, or completely asleep. That's the beauty of EE. The body knows what it needs. EE opens the door to that. I've had times where I never made it past pipe breathing before falling asleep, and once, a time when there was such a compulsion to breath as deeply as possible, I turned the tape off and did all three stages again to very slow mental counting. Different areas of my torso would expand, or stretch, or twist or whatever in response to really slow, full, breaths. It was almost like having bodywork. Weird as the whole thing was, the point was to let the body do what it needed. I expect in these so stressful days, people need LOTS of sleep.

 

[canavare]

Hi,

Recently I have tried EE program and after this very first EE session at night time,
when I was praying for the well being of my autistic son, I saw the face of jesus even if I close my eyes.
(I think this is a very strange halucination coming from subconcious because in reality I am even not a member of any church
and any organised religion and in my country islam is the dominant religious culture, so christian characters like jesus
are not so dominant in our culture )

This experience was a little bit frightening for me and I gave a little break and then tried EE again and each time I achieved a better mood.
I had like to thank to Laura and the team from my heart for this wonderful breathing technique.

 

[canavare]

Hi,

I have a question for the experts regarding to the EE.
Recently I read a SOTT article via health matrix:
http://www.sott.net/article/269593-A-single-spray-of-oxytocin-improves-brain-function-in-children-with-autism

A statement from this article says that:

''A single dose of the hormone oxytocin, delivered via nasal spray, has been shown to enhance brain activity while processing social information in children with autism spectrum disorders, Yale School of Medicine researchers report in a new study published in the Dec. 2 issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. ''

five years ago we have tried to get a oxytocin spray for my autistic son but we couldn't,
because it is a medicin which is not available in our country and in other countries you need a red prescription to get this spray.

At the end of this same article there is a SOTT comment which states:
''Every human being functions better when there is more oxytocin in their system. The stress-relieving program Eiriu Eolas enhances oxytocin levels, while lowering cortisol and other stress hormones.''

So my question is: does anyone have any experience to teach the EE technique to an autistic children? Any practical recommendations?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Alana]

So my question is: does anyone have any experience to teach the EE technique to an autistic children? Any practical recommendations?

Can you tell us a bit more about your son? Eg, how old he is, what is his level of functioning (things he can do on his own, what he needs help with, how long his attention span is, how well he can follow directions, things like that)? This information will help us with offering recommendations.

 

[canavare]

Hi Alana,

So my question is: does anyone have any experience to teach the EE technique to an autistic child? Any practical recommendations?

Can you tell us a bit more about your son? Eg, how old he is, what is his level of functioning (things he can do on his own, what he needs help with, how long his attention span is, how well he can follow directions, things like that)? This information will help us with offering recommendations.

I hope the short summary below helps:

My Son is 14 years old.
Right now he is visiting an academical school for special children 3 days long a week
and a sport school for special children 4 days long a week.
Unfortunately he is not able to follow the lessons in a normal school.
He can only learn under the one by one supervision of a special education teacher in both schools.
He is not able to follow complex instructions.
The teacher should divide the complex instructions into simple sub instructions and
should repeat them many times to teach some thing new to my son.
My son is able to read, write and speak but word by word or very short sentences in a robotic way.
He listen and receive simple instructions if you repeat them many times.
For example after long efforts his teacher teached him playing table tennis.
He can eat, wear something, clean himself but only if someone gives instructions to do this acts properly.
One option is that I demonstrate the EE breathing to his teacher and
then his teacher will try to find a way to teach this EE breathing to my son.

My Sons Symptoms:
Some very small mood swings, some attention deficit, self talking, severe autistic symptoms,
sometimes sleeping problems, sometimes hyperactivity, some OCD and some stimming,
fine motor problems, no communication with other people unless for his basic needs.
He speaks only words or short sentences and only for basic needs.

Short history:
Born healthy with sectio at 35,5 week of pregnancy.
Recurrent infections with fever started when he was only 1 month old.
He hadn’t any initial developmental delay , speech started at 10 months old,
he started to walk at 1 years old. He had been breastfed during first 18 months.
Small behavioural problems like separation anxiety, sleep disorder, crying tantrums
started when he was 2.5 years old, infections continued until he received a tonsillit
operation at 4.5 years. Prior to this operation , he had to use antibiotics nearly 3 months.
After using antibiotics his behavioural problems significantly decreased .
His infections decreased also, He continued to kindergarden during 2 years without problem.
At 7 years old, when he started to primary school, his last diagnose was ‘attention deficit disorder’.
He hadn’t any problem academically but hyperactivity was onset. his psychiatrist prescribed
Ritalin which seems helped. But 10 days after he received a DPTa CACCINATION,
he had an infection with moderate fever during one week , at the end he finished
with a sudden personality change : refused all activities, opposite, irritable, depressive .
His psychiatrist stopped Ritalin immediately but one week after that, he had a psychotic attack.
Pshychotic symptoms (hallucinations ,delusions and OCD ) were lost after 3 months but very rapid
mood swings stayed. Any of psychotic drugs didn’t helped. His new diagnose was
‘bipolar disorder and severe autism. Very high dose of Valproic Acid able to control his mood swings,
but his cognitive capacity was severly regressed . His MRI and EEG was clear again.
His brain SPECT scan showed some hypo-perfussion at frontal lobe.
So finally, after 6 months on psychotic drugs we have started biomedical treatments ,
we tried gluten , casein and excito-toxin free diet, we did vitamin and mineral supplements,
IV chelation (caEDTA- DPMS) , oral DMSA and HBOT (1,5 ATA –90 dive) , antifungals , antivirals ,
antibiotics, B12 shots, holistic protocols like cowden protocol, after this efforts we are able to
control bipolar disorder without using any antipsychotic drugs.
Recently we tried some acupuncture and tibet massage, after this treatment he is calmer now
and he is able to go to the school again.

 

[Carl]

Hi Leo,

I'm very glad the changes you have made for your son have made some difference, it sounds like you've been through a real struggle.
Somebody more experienced with the ins and outs of EE can offer recommendations regarding that, and whether the full program may be a good idea for your son.

I just have a few more off-topic recommendations that you may or may not have looked into or tried.

I'm not sure how far or how strict you have gone with dietary changes, but research into the ketogenic diet shows good results and may help further treat your son's autism:

http://www.sott.net/article/265069-The-Ketogenic-Diet-An-Overview
http://www.sott.net/article/249213-Kids-with-autism-benefit-from-a-ketogenic-diet

Combined with the total removal of all grains/pseudo grains, dairy, legumes, toxic oils, nightshades etc, this could be a big help for him, if not eating this way already.

Another thing you may want to look into is neurofeedback, discussed by Nora Gedgaudas in a recent interview here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottnet/2013/11/03/nora-gedgaudas-interview-beyond-paleo--primal-ice-age-diet

There's a short video on the topic here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHFI36wmzo

And a podcast here:
_http://podbay.fm/show/385416862/e/1280860725

I also recently read the book The Brain that Changes Itself by Norman Doidge. There is some discussion of autism and other learning problems. The training program Fast Forword, developed by Dr Merzenich, is discussed at length, and has apparently been used very successfully in treatment of such things.

I found an article here discussing it:
_https://www.fastforword.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/MBurns_OpenChildsWin_Jul06.pdf

That's just what comes to my mind anyway, I hope it can be of some use.

 

[canavare]

Hi Carliste,

I just have a few more off-topic recommendations that you may or may not have looked into or tried.

I'm not sure how far or how strict you have gone with dietary changes, but research into the ketogenic diet shows good results and may help further treat your son's autism:

http://www.sott.net/article/265069-The-Ketogenic-Diet-An-Overview
http://www.sott.net/article/249213-Kids-with-autism-benefit-from-a-ketogenic-diet

Combined with the total removal of all grains/pseudo grains, dairy, legumes, toxic oils, nightshades etc, this could be a big help for him, if not eating this way already.

Another thing you may want to look into is neurofeedback, discussed by Nora Gedgaudas in a recent interview here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottnet/2013/11/03/nora-gedgaudas-interview-beyond-paleo--primal-ice-age-diet

There's a short video on the topic here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHFI36wmzo

And a podcast here:
_http://podbay.fm/show/385416862/e/1280860725

Thank you very much for this valuable advices for which normally a DAN doctor would charge a lot of money :)
We are aware of ketogenic diet but could not try it because of the uncontrolled diet envıronment of the autistic schools,
but your advice is a motivation for me, I will try to find a solution.

We tried neurofeedback a while it has some benefits, but unfortunately the sessions are very expensive and the insurance does not cover
this kind of treatment here , so I think perhaps I should buy an EEG device, electrodes and all the SW to make the NF threapie sustainable.

I also recently read the book The Brain that Changes Itself by Norman Doidge. There is some discussion of autism and other learning problems. The training program Fast Forword, developed by Dr Merzenich, is discussed at length, and has apparently been used very successfully in treatment of such things.

I found an article here discussing it:
_https://www.fastforword.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/MBurns_OpenChildsWin_Jul06.pdf

That's just what comes to my mind anyway, I hope it can be of some use.

Thank you very much, I never heard about this, I will read through.

 

[Alana]

One option is that I demonstrate the EE breathing to his teacher and
then his teacher will try to find a way to teach this EE breathing to my son.

That's a good idea, if your son has a good rapport with his teacher. I am thinking that pipe-breathing and the meditation might help him if he does them every night before sleep, and perhaps the warrior's breath whenever he feels irritated/angry and needs a healthy way to let some steam off.

For pipe-breathing, he will have to pay attention to the noises during inhalation and exhalation (in through the nose, out through the mouth) and try to produce them himself the same way. You can tell him that the exhalation is like when we fog with our breath a window in winter and then make drawings on the moisturized surface. And the inhalation is almost kind of like snoring but not so loud, and then try to listen that he does them correctly. If he knows Darth Vader, you can use him as an example of what pipe-breathing sounds like :)

If the count is too long for him (inhale for 6, hold for 3, exhale for 9, etc) you can always shorten it to something that is comfortable for him. I was teaching EE at a women's shelter for a while, and one time a woman came with her son who was around your son's age, and also autistic, but perhaps a bit higher functioning. So for the boy, I used a different count for pipe breathing (in for 4, hold for 2, ex for 7) and it was more comfortable for him. And he really liked the warrior's breath, that he was allowed to make so much noise, he couldn't stop laughing!

I didn't teach him the BaHa breathing, and I don't think your son needs it either right now. And the meditation, everynight before he goes to bed, you could count for him a few rounds of pipe-breathing that is comfortable for him, and then put on the meditation disc and let it play while you both listen to it, until he falls asleep. At least that's what I would do. Others might have better suggestions.

And I also support the advice Carlisle gave about the dietary changes. I know it's hard with the types of foods schools offer, but there are studies that show great improvements for children with autistic spectrum disorders once they gave up eating gluten, dairy and sugar. Sometimes it's like a miracle happened, the parents report. I hope that both you and your son have that experience as well.

 

[canavare]

Hi Alana,

First of all thank you very much for your comments.
I scheduled a meeting with his teacher for this sunday.

A short summary of what we are going to try to teach him:

1- pipe breath exhaling by making fog on a glass surface
2- pipe breath inhaling by making darth vader noise
3-decrease the counts if neccesary like 4-2-7-2
4-then connecting the dots
5-do the pipe breathing and warior breathing but not the baha breathing
6-do this before sleep and listen to the meditation disc.

I was teaching EE at a women's shelter for a while, and one time a woman came with her son who was around your son's age, and also autistic, but perhaps a bit higher functioning. So for the boy, I used a different count for pipe breathing (in for 4, hold for 2, ex for 7) and it was more comfortable for him. And he really liked the warrior's breath, that he was allowed to make so much noise, he couldn't stop laughing!

When I read this I could't stop crying (nearly), thank you for being such a wonderful human.