Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Something i have noticed is that quite often when doing the full meditation i will zone out. It is always around, or maybe even exactly the same time. About two thirds into the BAHA breathing, and i will come to just after the pots. Just when the music is playing. Has anyone else had this experience, and if so what part of the meditation does it happen?
 
Nienna said:
Altair said:
Hi everyone,

I have another question: could the Ba-Ha part of the program be done while lying in bed or is the upright position necessary?

Many Thanks

Altair

Just a fwiw, you can do the whole program in any position that is comfortable for you. However you feel relaxed. Some people do parts of it standing, or sitting in a yoga position, or sitting in a comfortable chair, or reclining in a recliner, or lying down. Some do the whole program in any one of these positions. The main thing is that you feel relaxed and comfortable throughout the program.

Thanks for the clarification :)
 
davey72 said:
Something i have noticed is that quite often when doing the full meditation i will zone out. It is always around, or maybe even exactly the same time. About two thirds into the BAHA breathing, and i will come to just after the pots. Just when the music is playing. Has anyone else had this experience, and if so what part of the meditation does it happen?

This is something that people experience, it may start when you are zoning out, or earlier, or later, sometimes during PotS, and coming back at different times also, in and out during BaHa, in and out during PotS, or after. From my own experience, the pattern of zoning out is random in both location (timing) and duration.
 
I know it is normal. I think i remember the C's saying something about it. Like it is meeting your higher self, or something like that. (does anyone know where to find this?) It just struck me as odd, personally that it is pretty much the same timing for myself.
 
This is my first post outside the Newbie Board.

First Experience using EE: A year ago I went to Emergency Hospital — to make sure I was not having a heart attack — because my symptoms were indicative of that possibility. The ER ambulance staff checked me out and said no, I was not having an attack.

However, to be certain that I had not previously had an attack, they took me to the hospital to run tests.

The tests confirmed that I had not previously had an attack either.

What the ER doctor told me was that my symptoms were possibly indicative of extreme stress and/or anxiety.

That made sense to me since I had been experiencing extreme stress for approximately 3 weeks prior to this incident.

How EE comes into the picture is this:

Throughout this emergency situation — ambulance — hospital admittance to emergency facilities — tests — and especially having one of those needles stuck into my right arm — inside elbow area — the entire time I was waiting for the test results — I just kept doing the Pipe Breathing and repeating the Prayer of the Soul — from 12:30 AM until 4:30 AM when I was released.

Laura — Thank you so much for the EE program. I remained calm and centered and not freaked-out. And freaked-out is how I’m certain I would have felt had it not been for the Pipe Breathing and saying the POTS.

The Pipe Breathing and the POTS also prevented me from defaulting into my Self-Importance program. That would definitely have been disastrous.

Since I did not have my present computer, I was unable to watch the video on the FOTCM site — so I was sort of guessing how to do Pipe Breathing — based only on Laura’s written instructions and the reports of Forum members in the EE thread.

I had read approximately 200+ pages of that thread before attempting to practice the EE breathing. And all I did practice was the Pipe Breathing — or what I hoped was Pipe Breathing.

Since purchasing my new computer this past month, I have been able to watch the FOTCM Online version of the EE Breathing videos and practice the entire program properly. Thank you.

The computer story is a long one. Short version is that my previous computer was so old (Mac iBook G4 — probably from 2001) and, among other deficiencies, I could not play any music stored in my iTunes library, play CD’s or DVD’s, watch online videos, or type — because Fire Ants got into it and ate so many numbers, letters, and navigation keys, it was impossible to do anything other than read. So that’s what I did. Read. And read. And read some more.

Only due to the financial generosity of one of my sisters and her husband — and some financial sacrifice of my own — was I able to purchase this new computer. Now, I can type, watch videos, listen to music, and join the Forum.

I still cannot play DVD’s or CD’s because this computer doesn’t have any moving parts inside. It’s all chips — to prevent hard disk crashes. And, considering I’ve had three hard disk crashes over the past few years, I consider this a huge advantage.

So, no disk drive means I’m unable to insert a CD or DVD into this computer. I need to purchase a separate Disk Drive in order to play CD’s and DVD’s. And, as soon as I can afford to do so, I will. Then I will order the full set EE program CD/DVD disc set.

I have two more EE reports to post which are more recent — these past two weeks in fact. I will post those separately.

Again, thank you so much Laura for this breathing program — and thank you Forum members for recounting your experiences using the EE program. It has been very helpful for me. I hope my posts will be helpful for you as well.
 
March 12, 2014

My first EE session using the Online Version Video.

Watching the Online Version Video and following along with Laura’s counting makes doing this Program a thousand times easier than practicing blind — as I have been doing — because I was unable to watch video on my previous computer. So I was guessing how to do the Pipe Breathing. I didn’t even try to guess how to do Warrior’s Breath or the Beatha Ba-Ha Bioenergetic Breathing.

I practiced this first session sitting up — watching the Video throughout the entire session.

Place hands at the waist and Pipe Breathe. Check.

Place hands over chest (thumbs hooked underneath arms — resting inside armpits). Began crying and continued bawling throughout this entire portion.

After Warrior’s Breath — during Beatha (Ba-Ha) Bioenergetic Breathing — began crying again.

Not just crying. Huge wracking, gut-wrenching sobbing. If it weren’t for my neighbors, I would have been crying so loudly the Sun, Moon and Stars would have heard my grief.

My body couldn’t physically cry as hard as I needed to cry — as hard as I was crying inside.

Oceans of Tears is exactly how I’d describe the depths of grief I was feeling. Mainly for Earth — and what we’ve done to her. She’s so beautiful — and look what we’ve done to her — and so many don’t care.

This is how I felt as a child — abandoned, uncared for, left to fend for myself — no comfort, no consolation. Tears for all the hurt and pain of everyone everywhere. For every form of life everywhere in this entire Cosmos — children, adults, animals, insects, plants, trees, mountains, oceans, fishes, Air - Earth - Fire - Water, rocks, soil, animate, inanimate. Every single atom, election, and nano-particle is so precious and sacred. And it’s all been profaned — discarded and treated so cavalierly — dismissed and tossed aside — treated like trash. Oh! Like that little cartoon called “Man” — sitting on his throne with a crown on his head surveying his kingdom of a totally trashed earth.

And then my Self-Importance kicked in: I became extremely offended — outraged really — at the deeds and mis-deeds of our human race. Not just the pathologicals either. But also of all the so-called “good” people — including myself — who have colluded, cooperated, complied with and contributed to this destruction — because of our own greed and avarice.

And a thought arose inside my mind: Years from now — when future civilizations excavate the archeological evidence of our times — what will they find?

Not pretty pieces of pottery and bracelets and charming figurines of the Goddess.

No. They’ll find the Boyz-Noizy-Toyz — huge war machines and weapons and heavy metal tractors, trailers, lawn mowers, weed whackers, cars, buses, trains, boats, planes, cement, freeways and nuclear reactor plants, dams and monstrous horrible man-made ugly hideous machinery of every kind. Not to mention plastic. Nothing beautiful. Just ugly trash. It practically breaks my heart.

It makes me glad Earth is calling in the Comets.

And the piece-de-resistance? I finish my meditation and POTS and go outside to have a cigarette and telephone my sister.

As we’re trying to have a phone conversation, and I’m telling my sister about how upset I’m feeling about what a mess we’ve made of earth, and what we’re leaving for future generations to find — especially the noisy toys — which offend me the most because I have super-human hearing (over 20,000 Hz) — at least 4 huge helicopters pass overhead. 3 Planes pass overhead. 3 Loud motorcycles go down the street. My neighbor starts up her weed-whacker. A small private plane passes overhead. And none of these planes are using normal flight patterns.

She and I cannot believe how much interference we’re experiencing. It’s never happened before during any of our conversations while I’ve been outside on the phone talking to her.

And that’s the short version. LOL
 
OK - my last EE post.

* * *

Sunday - March 30, 2014

Entire Program — Lying down in Bed. Listening to Audio. Did not watch the Video.

Noticed that I zoned out when only listening to audio and not watching the video.

* * *

Monday - March 31, 2014

Entire Program — Sitting up — Watching Online Video Version.

Noticed that as long as I kept my eyes open and focused on the Video, my mind didn’t wander or zone out — and I didn’t forget what I was doing (breathing). But, if my eyes closed, my mind would travel into the imagination realms. Then I would snap back to remembering what I was supposed to be doing (breathing exercise) and I would open my eyes and focus on the Video and continue.

Got through the entire breathing program exercises easily enough.

POTS: Almost immediately, when the background music began and the camera focused on nature scenes, even before Laura began reciting the POTS, I began to sob huge wracking, gut-wrenching sobs — especially when the camera focused on the sun setting. Then I could not even focus on Laura’s voice or the words of the POTS.

I just sobbed as if I were a really young child. Like grief of the Soul.

I cried through most of the POTS. When I stopped crying and could hear Laura reciting the words of the POTS, and I focused on the actual words, I started crying all over again.

When that Sun actually set, I felt bereft — as if we’d lost our light — our connection to Divine Creation. I missed the Sun so much. Even writing this (my journal notes) brings tears because I love this physical creation — The Sun, Moon, Stars, planets, all of it and it hurts so much how we’ve profaned Creation. It feels beyond evil to me. It’s insulting.

* * *

The Observer: What I also notice is that there’s an Observer “I” always present during these extreme emotional experiences. She stands outside the I who is crying. She just observes — like a Fair Witness. No judgment, criticism, or praise. She doesn’t interfere with the process. She simply witnesses what’s going on — neutrally observing these other “i’s” who are feeling, acting, re-acting, thinking.

It’s as if there are 2 beings who are conscious within the same space and time. And we’re both aware of each other. She is who I would be if I weren’t busy being all these other silly i’s.
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences, 13 Twirling Triskeles. Sounds like you had a couple of very intense experiences. Just keep in mind that you should only do the full EE program twice a week (most forum members try to do the full program on Mondays and Thursdays). The rest of the week you can leave out Beatha/Bioenergetic/Round Breathing. Because it can really get overwhelming with very intense releases otherwise. And you can even go slower with how often to do it (e.g. Ba-Ha only once a week, or skipping it altogether for a while, etc.) as need be.

You may have already known that, but just making sure.
 
Altair said:
I've beein doing EE for a couple of months and I'd like to share my experiences and ask a couplse of questions.
When doing 3-stage breathing I'm yawning which is a bit disturbing because I can't exhale then properly during 9 seconds. Am I doing something wrong? The hardest part for me is bioenergetic breathing, especially it's fast part: I used to get light-headed and must often stop the breathing. Is it normal reaction? Also I noticed that it much easier for me to exhale through nostrils during bioenergetic breathing. Is it crucial to exhale through the mouth or it doesn't play any role? The last question: do FOTCM members practice full EE program on Mondays and on Thursdays?

Many thanks for this wonderful breathing program! I can sleep well now and I feel me as a new-born :)

One cause of getting light-headed during the ba-ha, is if your breathing is not rooted in the diaphragm, i.e. you are doing "shallow" or "upper" breathing (upper chest expands with inhaling). You could also try inhaling less air. The idea is not to get the maximum amount of air with every inhalation, it's more important to achieve smoothness with the circulation (round breathing, without pauses).
 
Aragorn said:
Altair said:
I've beein doing EE for a couple of months and I'd like to share my experiences and ask a couplse of questions.
When doing 3-stage breathing I'm yawning which is a bit disturbing because I can't exhale then properly during 9 seconds. Am I doing something wrong? The hardest part for me is bioenergetic breathing, especially it's fast part: I used to get light-headed and must often stop the breathing. Is it normal reaction? Also I noticed that it much easier for me to exhale through nostrils during bioenergetic breathing. Is it crucial to exhale through the mouth or it doesn't play any role? The last question: do FOTCM members practice full EE program on Mondays and on Thursdays?

Many thanks for this wonderful breathing program! I can sleep well now and I feel me as a new-born :)

One cause of getting light-headed during the ba-ha, is if your breathing is not rooted in the diaphragm, i.e. you are doing "shallow" or "upper" breathing (upper chest expands with inhaling). You could also try inhaling less air. The idea is not to get the maximum amount of air with every inhalation, it's more important to achieve smoothness with the circulation (round breathing, without pauses).

Thanks Aragorn,

it makes sense. I will definitely try it out. I have another question: what is the medical background of the bioenergetic breathing? How does it work?
 
Altair said:
Aragorn said:
Altair said:
I've beein doing EE for a couple of months and I'd like to share my experiences and ask a couplse of questions.
When doing 3-stage breathing I'm yawning which is a bit disturbing because I can't exhale then properly during 9 seconds. Am I doing something wrong? The hardest part for me is bioenergetic breathing, especially it's fast part: I used to get light-headed and must often stop the breathing. Is it normal reaction? Also I noticed that it much easier for me to exhale through nostrils during bioenergetic breathing. Is it crucial to exhale through the mouth or it doesn't play any role? The last question: do FOTCM members practice full EE program on Mondays and on Thursdays?

Many thanks for this wonderful breathing program! I can sleep well now and I feel me as a new-born :)

One cause of getting light-headed during the ba-ha, is if your breathing is not rooted in the diaphragm, i.e. you are doing "shallow" or "upper" breathing (upper chest expands with inhaling). You could also try inhaling less air. The idea is not to get the maximum amount of air with every inhalation, it's more important to achieve smoothness with the circulation (round breathing, without pauses).


Thanks Aragorn,

it makes sense. I will definitely try it out. I have another question: what is the medical background of the bioenergetic breathing? How does it work?

Well, I've wondered about that myself. I have tried to find studies about it, but without much success. But in my studies in body work, I learned that one of the ideas is to let go of control; humans always have a little pause between inhaling and exhaling - and that pause is considered the illusionary control we try to maintain. And, distorted breathing patterns (as in reversed/upper breathing) are often a sign of trauma, and a longer pause/holding is in a sense "emotional constipation".

So, if we eradicate that pause, at least in theory, we let go of that control. The other idea is that when we breathe in a "chaotic" way, i.e. in a way we are not accustomed with, we "rattle the cage" so to speak, and get those suppressed emotions (that are also rooted in the muscles/tissue) to the surface.

There's also the thing about the amygdala, that stores especially non-verbal experiences/emotions. At least, stimulating the vagus nerve with pipe breathing is, according to studies, an effective way to release those things in the amygdala. But I haven't found studies about "round breathing" doing the same thing, but I'm pretty sure it plays a part in that, too.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Thanks for sharing your experiences, 13 Twirling Triskeles. Sounds like you had a couple of very intense experiences. Just keep in mind that you should only do the full EE program twice a week (most forum members try to do the full program on Mondays and Thursdays). The rest of the week you can leave out Beatha/Bioenergetic/Round Breathing. Because it can really get overwhelming with very intense releases otherwise. And you can even go slower with how often to do it (e.g. Ba-Ha only once a week, or skipping it altogether for a while, etc.) as need be.

You may have already known that, but just making sure.

Hello Seekin Truth --

Thank you for your reply. You're right. I do know to practice the Full Program on Mondays and Thursdays -- along with other Forum Members around the World.

So far, the huge emotional releases seem to happen when I'm watching the video while doing the Breathing exercises.
When I only listened to the audio on Sunday, March 30th -- and did not watch the video -- my session was quite relaxing and restful -- even doing the entire Program.

Of course, I have only practiced the Full Program 3 times. I am still experimenting and testing my limits. And I know - from reading other Forum Members' experiences, and the advice given here, that we need to be cautious about practicing the Full Program - because those Beatha breathing exercises are very powerful and we do not wish to exceed our capacity for coping with the emotions which are bound to be triggered.

So, yes. I will restrict my Full Program practice to Mondays and Thursdays. With the caveat that I can practice the Ba-Ha breathing even less often should I feel overwhelmed by emotional release.

Perhaps I should mention that I didn't feel so overwhelmed by so much grief that it was uncomfortable. It actually felt really good to me to be able to cry so deeply and express all that grief. I truly feel grateful to feel that pain and loss. It feels healing and cathartic. If there's one thing I am totally fearless about, I would say experiencing intense emotions is it. I don't flinch or blink. Probably because - as I mentioned - whenever I experience really strong emotions, that Observer "I" seems to kick in and act as a Witness. It's like being in the presence of a therapist or someone who is always here for me. I don't quite know how to explain it. Do you know what I am describing?

It seems that - in addition to practicing the breathing program itself - watching that sun setting and seeing the nature scenery - combined with the soul-stirring music and the POTS - are a combination that hurts my heart because it's so beautiful, it's almost too much to bear.

Do you know what I mean? It happens to me quite often whenever I hear music that has a certain quality. Some music is so beautiful, my heart actually hurts. It's a "yearning" sort of feeling.

Thank you Seekin Truth for your suggestion. I will take it to heart.
 
Thanks for the clarification, 13 Twirling Triskeles. Yes, by experimenting, you'll find how much you can handle. Doing the rest of the program without Ba-ha is still very powerful and will accomplish healing and emotional releases at a gentler pace, also. Good luck. :)
 
SeekinTruth said:
Thanks for the clarification, 13 Twirling Triskeles. Yes, by experimenting, you'll find how much you can handle. Doing the rest of the program without Ba-ha is still very powerful and will accomplish healing and emotional releases at a gentler pace, also. Good luck. :)

Thank you SeekinTruth. I agree whole-heartedly. And there are definitely times when I do prefer the gentler pace. I think the i-Ching advice about how the ego jumps on the bandwagon -- pretending to be an ally -- when it realizes we are determined to apply self-discipline towards "it" -- as if it can join in the endeavor and discipline itself -- is possibly at work here whenever "i" decide to push myself rather than take small incremental steps. Ego likes a straight line to the goal -- whereas Spirit uses the zig-zag method of sailing (tacking with the wind) in order to stay on the path -- which, of course, totally confounds the Ego. So, as you all say, do that which "it" does NOT want. And I can see that this Ego wants to go full speed ahead -- so instead, I will go s-l-o-w-l-y and gently.

Thank you for the good advice and suggestion.
 
Hi guys,
Could You tell me why full program should be done only twice a week?

Actually I am overdoing it for the moment looks like. I feel better although I have some feeling in area of my gall bladder but not sure if that may relate to breathing???

So why?
 
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