Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Skyalmian I would seriously question anything your friend tells you. May I recommend reading then rereading the whole wave series for some valuable insights into false belief systems and believing in lies.

With regards to the thread I would like to share my EE experience. After practising pipe breathing for some weeks I was meditating on my bed and I suddenly smelled peppermint. This reminded me of my childhood where mint used to grow outside of my Primary School.
I was thinking about my school experiences and remembered when I was very very young and my mother had taken myself and my brother and sister to view the school that we would eventually be attending. I must have been 3 or 4. We lived in the country and I was the adventurous type. My dad used to tell me I had no boundaries. So anyway I rushed off and climbed the largest tree I could find while my mother spoke to the teacher. I must have lost track of time and from the top of the tree I saw my mother driving away from the school without me!
Well I don't remember much of what happened but I must have been very confused and scared. (It turned out my mother just didn't realize I wasn't in the car till she was halfway home and my siblings didn't think to mention it :O) I had to climb down from the tree and walk alone into the school to find someone and tell them I was still there. I don't remember doing this or anything after but I was a shy child and this must have been a daunting experience.
Obviously it wasn't my mothers fault and it's a funny story to tell now but it must have left an impression on me and during my meditation it made me realize it has probably affected me more than I thought. I have lots of facial piercings and visible tattoos and it made me think that the reason I felt compelled to look "different" was because I subconsciously thought it would be a way of making sure that no one ever forgot about me again. When I had this realization I suddenly became overwhelmed with emotion and it felt as though there was pressure surging through my chest and throat. I had a good cry even though it felt silly to cry over this but it just came out. I certainly felt as though I had let go of something or healed a wound perhaps.
A similar thing happened sometime after that, again while I was meditating on my bed. I was brought to thoughts about my sister and our relationship with one another. We aren't close and don't really talk much. Our whole family is quite cold towards each other. I used to blame my sister for being difficult, uncaring and hypocritical but while I was meditating I realized it wasn't her fault. We both acted in uncaring ways towards each other if you really pull our dynamic apart and it was the first time that I realized that these distant and cold personality traits were passed on by our mother.
I was raised in an environment where our family simply didn't communicate with one another. About anything. For example when we had sexual education at our primary school I went home and asked my mother how horses did it and she replied "ask your teacher" or there wasn't a mother daughter bond at all and growing up was an embarrassing process that happened alone. It seems completely obvious now that our distant mother has had a profound effect on the types of people we are now and it was only during the recent meditation that I really put two and two together (Duh!).
Of course its not my mothers fault either and I don't feel any malice toward her as it's just the way she is probably because of her being brought up in a similar environment. So as I was thinking over this I has a similar welling sensation, this time it was less of a sobbing feeling and more like there was something sitting on my chest. This feeling stayed for quite a while. So I just lay there with my hands on myself (I was giving myself reiki at the same time, the thoughts of my sister emerged when I had my hands on my shoulders) till it subsided.
So I know it's not exactly groundbreaking stuff but I thought I would share a little anyway of how I'm getting on.
 
Hi! I am new to doing Eiriu Eolas and I wondering how often I should do the exercises. Is it important to do the exercises everyday, or is 3 to 4 times a week acceptable? I also I have some emotional hurts from my childhood (from my father never really being there for me) that I have been carrying around with me all of my life which I think has affected my confidence in myself and the feeling I’m not “enough” when in fact I am very artistic and musical and I know I ‘m intelligent, but I feel it is all locked inside of me because I think I am still waiting for my father’s acceptance. I know this stems from my childhood and I’m wondering if I practice EE conscientiously, if these hurts will eventually come up to be healed. I have spoken to several psychic practitioners who told me to write a heart felt letter to the person that hurt me and then burn it and that would cause healing and release, but I know I am still carrying this hurt around. I have been doing a lot of inner work on myself, but this piece of my childhood I know has to be healed. Thank you, and thanks Laura and team for making this breathing program available!
 
Rose7 said:
Hi! I am new to doing Eiriu Eolas and I wondering how often I should do the exercises. Is it important to do the exercises everyday, or is 3 to 4 times a week acceptable? I also I have some emotional hurts from my childhood (from my father never really being there for me) that I have been carrying around with me all of my life which I think has affected my confidence in myself and the feeling I’m not “enough” when in fact I am very artistic and musical and I know I ‘m intelligent, but I feel it is all locked inside of me because I think I am still waiting for my father’s acceptance. I know this stems from my childhood and I’m wondering if I practice EE conscientiously, if these hurts will eventually come up to be healed. I have spoken to several psychic practitioners who told me to write a heart felt letter to the person that hurt me and then burn it and that would cause healing and release, but I know I am still carrying this hurt around. I have been doing a lot of inner work on myself, but this piece of my childhood I know has to be healed. Thank you, and thanks Laura and team for making this breathing program available!

Hi Rose7,
Doing EE 3-4 times a weeks is fine. I'd suggest that you do the Ba-ha (round breathing) portion once a week to start. You can have some intense emotional upheavals with that part of the program. If you find they getting too intense, back off to once every two or three weeks. Experiment and see how it goes.

If you continue with EE, the emotions surrounding your childhood will probably come up. Allowing them to feel them is important. If you haven't already read it, there is a thread on Patrick Rodriguez and Spirit Release therapy. Quite a few forum members have had sessions with him and Heather. A common issue that weaves it's way through the sessions is allowing yourself to feel! It discussed quite a bit in the thread. It sounds like having a session may help you, too. And networking here on the forum, of course. :)
 
Hello forum,

I must admit I've been working up the courage for years to commit to the practice of EE. I think I've known that it's been a long time coming and perhaps I was waiting for the "right" time... that time being now, as I finally feel prepared to stand behind one of my own commitments, having never really kept any for a long-term amount of time before..

Anyways, I purchased the EE program some time ago, and have listened to it, experimented with it, and practiced a bit... but I've let a few lingering questions and insecurities get the best of me until now. I guess I'm one of those people who just has to wait until the last dance begins to get with the program... even so, I will.

I must inquire about a few things and recommendations of other forum members, RE: EE, as I just haven't been able to put it all together in a way that is cohesively understandable to me yet. My brain is an over-analytical one... so with that noted, the surrendered aspect involved in a spiritual/meditative process is very scary to me, yet I'm so very ready to embrace it- but do very much invite any support possible.

I really wish I could stop "time" and read all the interesting recommended books and threads listed on this forum... as a single, working mom of a 3 year old sometimes it feels like I finish 3-4 books a year. :o So I have to take it really slow, even though it's my natural inclination to dive in... working on balancing that too..

Mostly my intention is to heal, release fear, and live more in a lovingly detached way, walking with my Creator. that's how I see it.

I was blessed to have 2 sessions with Patrick and Heather a few months back, and alot of progress has come about since then. I'm sure I owe them a debt of heart-felt gratitude for this :) I currently don't have the means to pay for sessions anymore unfortunately, but figured it's time to take it upon myself from here...

I've also had noteable success with the KD especially in mood and a general feeling of balance.

All of that being said- all of the commentary from this thread that I have been able to read over has been very helpful!


For any members available with insight, im open to all of it...... my Q's are:


1. MIDDAY SESSIONS-the available times i have to do the full sesh are midday mon/thurs right before my catnap which i can use to listen to POTS. will a midday session like this have any noted strange effects? i also plan to listen to POTS again at bedtime. i've seen people recommend listening to the prayer and the music.... is this on repeat the whole night or just once?

2. ABOUT BA-HA BREATHING- i've noticed that some people might do this every time they practice, some recommend 1x a week or 1x a month or so.. My main question about this is because, when I was a teenager I was "diagnosed" with bi-polar II, and read that there may be some contradictions for performing the ba-ha if one has a diagnosis like this. I am curious why this is? Also, I have experienced SIGNIFICANT decrease in bipolar symptoms through a combination of KD, Awareness, EFT, and other things. I don't know if I'd still be diagnosed the same today.. Nevertheless, I don't want to do anything that would not be of my highest good, but wonder would it be ok to try this 1x week to start?

as far as the rest of the program:

3. WARM UPS- do people usually memorize these and just do them as mindfully as possible with focus on the diaph breathing? any alternatives that seem to help?

4. PIPE BREATH/3 stage breathing/pipe breath and warriors breath... constriction in/out is ok? is sitting cross legged or in a chair more ideal for non-yogites? :o so, 1. hands on belly, 2. hands on chest, 3. hands behind head (clasped together?)

5. POTS- i've seen people recommend listening to the prayer and the music.... is this on repeat the whole night or just once?


Lastly, it seems from what I've read that it's best to trust in the process, have no expectations, but maybe surrendered intentions...like to heal? I wonder if anyone has tried EFT when working with intense emotions like this? I believe Patrick is an EFT practitioner... It's certainly helped me shift out of a few nasty rage fits when triggered by my little one not listening to me. I think it effectively aids the release process... I would think.

Any thoughts?

Much Much gratitude.
 
whoops didn't mean to repeat the POTS question twice :o

little ones napping time for a :cool2:
 
HI VIJAYA

VIJAYA said:
Hello forum,

I must admit I've been working up the courage for years to commit to the practice of EE. I think I've known that it's been a long time coming and perhaps I was waiting for the "right" time... that time being now, as I finally feel prepared to stand behind one of my own commitments, having never really kept any for a long-term amount of time before..
Congratulations on your decision!
Anyways, I purchased the EE program some time ago, and have listened to it, experimented with it, and practiced a bit... but I've let a few lingering questions and insecurities get the best of me until now. I guess I'm one of those people who just has to wait until the last dance begins to get with the program... even so, I will.

I must inquire about a few things and recommendations of other forum members, RE: EE, as I just haven't been able to put it all together in a way that is cohesively understandable to me yet. My brain is an over-analytical one... so with that noted, the surrendered aspect involved in a spiritual/meditative process is very scary to me, yet I'm so very ready to embrace it- but do very much invite any support possible.
Looking at working with EE as an experiment is fine. Try it out according to the guidelines and see what happens. There's no 'surrender' involved. No one expects you to stop thinking. We welcome thinking and analysis!
I really wish I could stop "time" and read all the interesting recommended books and threads listed on this forum... as a single, working mom of a 3 year old sometimes it feels like I finish 3-4 books a year. :o So I have to take it really slow, even though it's my natural inclination to dive in... working on balancing that too..

Mostly my intention is to heal, release fear, and live more in a lovingly detached way, walking with my Creator. that's how I see it.

I was blessed to have 2 sessions with Patrick and Heather a few months back, and alot of progress has come about since then. I'm sure I owe them a debt of heart-felt gratitude for this :) I currently don't have the means to pay for sessions anymore unfortunately, but figured it's time to take it upon myself from here...

I've also had noteable success with the KD especially in mood and a general feeling of balance.

All of that being said- all of the commentary from this thread that I have been able to read over has been very helpful!

You can only do so much each day, especially with young children. But even that little will build over time. You'll see. I'll bet six months from now you will be astonished at your progress.

For any members available with insight, im open to all of it...... my Q's are:

1. MIDDAY SESSIONS-the available times i have to do the full sesh are midday mon/thurs right before my catnap which i can use to listen to POTS. will a midday session like this have any noted strange effects? i also plan to listen to POTS again at bedtime. i've seen people recommend listening to the prayer and the music.... is this on repeat the whole night or just once?
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Anytime is a good time for POTS :). Before bed is especially good as it sets an intention at a point where your unconscious is particularly receptive. But if the mid-day nap is your best opportunity then go for it. If you are concerned about baha, then maybe try to do a before bed session once a week. That way if anything comes up you'll have some space to deal with it before the next day starts.

2. ABOUT BA-HA BREATHING- i've noticed that some people might do this every time they practice, some recommend 1x a week or 1x a month or so.. My main question about this is because, when I was a teenager I was "diagnosed" with bi-polar II, and read that there may be some contradictions for performing the ba-ha if one has a diagnosis like this. I am curious why this is? Also, I have experienced SIGNIFICANT decrease in bipolar symptoms through a combination of KD, Awareness, EFT, and other things. I don't know if I'd still be diagnosed the same today.. Nevertheless, I don't want to do anything that would not be of my highest good, but wonder would it be ok to try this 1x week to start?
If your symptoms being decreased as much as you say (way to go on the diet!) you could try experimenting with ba-ha once a week. Just keep up the awareness, and if you feel that you are bringing up more emotions than you can handle, then stop. If you are still on any medication to control your symptoms, then it would be best to leave it alone until you are stable without any assistance.

as far as the rest of the program:

3. WARM UPS- do people usually memorize these and just do them as mindfully as possible with focus on the diaph breathing? any alternatives that seem to help?
The warm-up can be anything that makes you feel able to breath more fully. Some folks like to do the exercises as given, which were chosen as being gentle enough for the most sedentary EE practitioner. Others like to do yoga stretches and some even like different martial arts routines to warm up.

4. PIPE BREATH/3 stage breathing/pipe breath and warriors breath... constriction in/out is ok? is sitting cross legged or in a chair more ideal for non-yogites? :o so, 1. hands on belly, 2. hands on chest, 3. hands behind head (clasped together?)
The throat constriction is both on the inbreath and the outbreath. You may want to review Laura's coaching on the technique that is near the end of the first introductory video. She explains it very well. You can do EE in any position you feel comfortable in. Many of the teachers do it lying in bed before sleeping. Others prefer a chair or a recliner. If you are still getting the hang of belly-breathing, it's easier to feel it lying on your back with some support for your head, and possibly under your knees if you need it.
5. POTS- i've seen people recommend listening to the prayer and the music.... is this on repeat the whole night or just once?
See above. It's kind of your choice. Some people have reported intense dreams when they run the POTS all night, other folks say they just sleep very well. I can't speak to that, as my player is very old and doesn't do repeat. :D I'd like to try sometime though.
Lastly, it seems from what I've read that it's best to trust in the process, have no expectations, but maybe surrendered intentions...like to heal? I wonder if anyone has tried EFT when working with intense emotions like this? I believe Patrick is an EFT practitioner... It's certainly helped me shift out of a few nasty rage fits when triggered by my little one not listening to me. I think it effectively aids the release process... I would think.

Any thoughts?

Much Much gratitude.

EFT may help as an aide 'in the moment' but I wouldn't combine it with EE, just as it was recommended not to combine EE with reiki. Remember too that emotions provide material for learning about yourself; where your blocks are. If you can, you don't want to make them go away, but strengthen yourself to the point where you can experience the emotion, but still be in control of your actions.

All the best as you start your practice! :thup:
 
After EE tonight I had a 'A-ha!' moment with some difficulties that have recently come to light, mainly with having a constructive narrative that foundations for didn't suffice in the past and handling sensory processing issues, mind blindness and motion sickness. "Clear my eyes that I may see, clear my ears that I may hear" part of POTS was inspiration, as far as anything:

Practicing listening to what is going to out loud externally and seeing what is going on inside, as well as outside, for what it is. So speaking what is going through my mind out loud when language gets confusing and I have trouble organising thoughts would be an example (not during POTS). I'll be giving this a go to see how it goes!
 
Thank you Herondancer for your understanding and positive feedback- Very helpful and appreciated!

I have not been on pharma meds for years and wouldn't touch the stuff again. It really made me feel like a zombie... Yuk! The diet in combo with fish oil, magnesium, potassium, vit c, amino acids, and a few natural remedies like lemon balm tea, have been more effective than anything else really...! Along w using things like breathing and EFT in the moments triggers occurring. I found the few studies out there on KD and bipolar to be fascinating and what originally helped move me to try the diet and reading Primal Bodies Primal Minds. Everything proved itself from there. :)

So, another question, just to be clear...the three stage breathing, including the arm positions can really be done lying down or reclining? So one would just put their hands behind their head for pt 3 while lying then? Cool :)

Very much looking forward to the process!
 
VIJAYA said:
Thank you Herondancer for your understanding and positive feedback- Very helpful and appreciated!

I have not been on pharma meds for years and wouldn't touch the stuff again. It really made me feel like a zombie... Yuk! The diet in combo with fish oil, magnesium, potassium, vit c, amino acids, and a few natural remedies like lemon balm tea, have been more effective than anything else really...! Along w using things like breathing and EFT in the moments triggers occurring. I found the few studies out there on KD and bipolar to be fascinating and what originally helped move me to try the diet and reading Primal Bodies Primal Minds. Everything proved itself from there. :)

Excellent! There's nothing like empirical proof, is there? :)

So, another question, just to be clear...the three stage breathing, including the arm positions can really be done lying down or reclining? So one would just put their hands behind their head for pt 3 while lying then? Cool :)

Sure. In fact, when teaching classes, when we got to part 3, we used to say, "Imagine lying on your favorite beach." It got folks right in the mood. :D

Very much looking forward to the process!

And we look forward to hearing about your journey.

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I have a question, though i've been doing this for quite some time, I haven't found a definite answer.

POTS is supposed to calm, and pipe to energize. So, I stopped doing POTS for the opposite effect to this. Every time I do POTS before sleeping I loose all my tiredness, I even feel I need to stand up and do something. It is intellectual coffe so to say.

Could it be because I do it with the headphones, and the electrical stuff in them kinda stimulates my brain?

I wrote he prayer on a paper, to try to meditate it while reading it, with the synch breathing. Does it still work that way?
 
Prometeo said:
I have a question, though i've been doing this for quite some time, I haven't found a definite answer.

POTS is supposed to calm, and pipe to energize. So, I stopped doing POTS for the opposite effect to this. Every time I do POTS before sleeping I loose all my tiredness, I even feel I need to stand up and do something. It is intellectual coffe so to say.

Could it be because I do it with the headphones, and the electrical stuff in them kinda stimulates my brain?

I wrote he prayer on a paper, to try to meditate it while reading it, with the synch breathing. Does it still work that way?
From bolded one, I cannot know for sure, I do not do it with the iPod before sleep because, I might go directly to be asleep and do not want to throw the iPod to the floor by accident. But I do it almost every day to stop my never ending thoughts and enter without other distractions to sleep, I memorized it quite ago, perhaps it will help you to memorize it as well? instead of reading it? After all you, I think/assume, you are "activating" a part of your brain to read it, and the light is on, I would think/assume, you are saying to your brain that you are not ready to relax?

When I do it with the iPod, is because I am doing the complete meditation, after the 3 stages or Beatha, and, almost like a clock I came out of the meditation, like you mentioned, loosing my tiredness, but perhaps is because I had already made it a custom, I do other things after it, almost 2-3 hours later I go to bed. And in bed is when I do POTS again before asleep
 
Prometeo said:
I have a question, though i've been doing this for quite some time, I haven't found a definite answer.

POTS is supposed to calm, and pipe to energize. So, I stopped doing POTS for the opposite effect to this. Every time I do POTS before sleeping I loose all my tiredness, I even feel I need to stand up and do something. It is intellectual coffee so to say.

Actually, pipe breath is for calming. It stimulates the vagus nerve which is about relaxing the body, by countering the fight-or-flight mode it is usually in due to modern society's stresses. If the POTS is so energizing, rather than stop doing it, schedule it for a different time of day. Pipe breath is good to do before sleeping, as it promotes deeper rest and rejuvenation.
Could it be because I do it with the headphones, and the electrical stuff in them kinda stimulates my brain?

I wrote he prayer on a paper, to try to meditate it while reading it, with the synch breathing. Does it still work that way?

You may be that sensitive to electrical fields, and headphones may be the problem. You've hit on an interesting solution. Working off a written page should be fine, but remember that part of the effect comes from the vibrations of Laura's voice. So doing the recorded POTS at a time of day when you need to be awake and alert is important. Let us know how it goes.
 
Thank you Menrva and sorry for the late reply! I will follow your advice and do EE 3-4 times a week and try the Baa haa session once a week and I will see how that goes. Right now, my insecurities and emotions are coming up because I have a job interview coming up today and somehow I am feeling that "I am not good enough". I must tell you it is not a fun feeling! I will try to feel the emotions and before the interview, I will do pipe breathing which hopefully relax me and help me to be alert. I do plan on doing a session with Patrick Rodriguez and his partner, I think it will really help. I am going to make sure I have enough funds, so hopefully I get this job! Thanks again!
 
Prometeo said:
I have a question, though i've been doing this for quite some time, I haven't found a definite answer.

POTS is supposed to calm, and pipe to energize. So, I stopped doing POTS for the opposite effect to this. Every time I do POTS before sleeping I loose all my tiredness, I even feel I need to stand up and do something. It is intellectual coffe so to say.

Now that you mention it, that happens to me when I get very serious about trying to keep my attention entirely on the words of the prayer without allowing any other thought to intrude. So when I try to discipline my mind like that, I do feel more energized afterwards. But if I just go along, listening to the words and allowing whatever other thoughts/impressions to come through, that's when I find myself all relaxed and sometimes, zoned out. I don't know if that relates to your experience, but this have been mine. And I use both at different times for the different effects they produce.
 
Rose7 said:
Thank you Menrva and sorry for the late reply! I will follow your advice and do EE 3-4 times a week and try the Baa haa session once a week and I will see how that goes. Right now, my insecurities and emotions are coming up because I have a job interview coming up today and somehow I am feeling that "I am not good enough". I must tell you it is not a fun feeling! I will try to feel the emotions and before the interview, I will do pipe breathing which hopefully relax me and help me to be alert. I do plan on doing a session with Patrick Rodriguez and his partner, I think it will really help. I am going to make sure I have enough funds, so hopefully I get this job! Thanks again!

Pipe breathing will definitely relax you and help you be aware. The 'I'm not good enough' thought (negative introject) can be a real bear. When mine decides to talk to me, I try to come up with a phrase that contradicts it. It can be pretty effective.
(Negative introject thread)

Negative Introject thread said:
Do negative thoughts lurk at the back of your mind like uninvited guests? Such ideas can be so habitual that you do not think them strange. In freeing yourself, it helps to be funny. "You here again?" humor cuts the power of oppressive ideas. Laughing, you can see that you don't believe in everything you think. It is good to tell your self-demolishing messages to those who have similar problems or who can enjoy a good joke.

There is more in the thread you can use to deal with those thoughts.

The best of luck on your job interview. I hope it is a good fit. :)
 
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