Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

anart said:
Oxajil on Yesterday at 08:02:08 PM said:
I guess asking for help (as in "Be my daily bread") could also mean asking to help us keep remembering the Work, our goals.
Without (the right) food we can do little, because we have to take care of our bodies in order to operate in a healthy way in this world. "Be my daily bread" I kind of see as asking the DCM to help me do what I truly want to do, to do what is best for everyone in a certain situation by strengthening my Will in a certain sense. By giving fuel/food to my soul.

I think that makes sense, and, to me, I often think of 'be my daily bread as I give bread to others' as being directly related to increasing knowledge - 'daily bread' being daily lessons/learning/knowledge and 'as I give to others' being sharing that understanding and encouraging/helping others to learn. To strive to give to others what I gain, each day. fwiw.

My understanding is in line with what anart is saying - "... increasing knowledge - 'daily bread' being daily lessons/learning/knowledge and 'as I give to others' being sharing that understanding and encouraging/helping others to learn. To strive to give to others what I gain, each day."
 
Trevrizent said:
My understanding is in line with what anart is saying - "... increasing knowledge - 'daily bread' being daily lessons/learning/knowledge and 'as I give to others' being sharing that understanding and encouraging/helping others to learn. To strive to give to others what I gain, each day."

As in: "it's only worth something once you give it away". We learn through our attempts to help others. This seems to be a key to growth.
 
Today I woke up at 5AM with pain in my stomach. I was thinking "Oh no, it's that nausea feeling again." (I think it was because I was dehydrated)
So after a visit to the toilet I went back to my bed and sat there feeling quite miserable. The pain in my stomach was really... painful. Was almost about to cry.
(I also took probiotics and water in the meantime)

I just wanted to sleep. And then I thought about the situation my body was in right now, my body was stressed. Something was not right.
Then I thought, you know what, maybe Pipe Breathing will help. And that's what I did. One, two, three... etc. I did the breathing for 4 or 5 times. And guess what? I felt so much more relaxed and "clear" and on top of that, the pain was totally gone!

If I didn't know about the vagus nerve, I would've called that magic for sure. The pain was gone, I felt relaxed and started to lay down. And slept well.

After some sleeping I started to feel slowly that the pain was coming back. And as soon as I felt that I started to do a couple more Pipe Breaths and the pain was gone for the most part again and it made me relaxed as well.

I'd say +1 for Pipe Breathing :D It's simple, effective and works quickly. Atleast in this case it was.


(will post this also on the forum @ EE website)
 
Not a lot to report, this week’s experiences of the E-E Breathing programme are similar to previous weeks – wet eyes and micro zoning out during PotS.
 
Same here - although, tingling during ba-ha was has been more intense. Today was a little different though. Halfway through the round breathing I had a fairly intense pain in the left side of my neck that made me stop for a moment. I massaged it a bit and changed my pillow (I normally do it laying down). It was still hurting a bit but I continued anyway. When I finished it was completely gone! Very weird as I was sure it was going to hurt all day...
 
~Fabric~ said:
Same here - although, tingling during ba-ha was has been more intense. Today was a little different though. Halfway through the round breathing I had a fairly intense pain in the left side of my neck that made me stop for a moment. I massaged it a bit and changed my pillow (I normally do it laying down). It was still hurting a bit but I continued anyway. When I finished it was completely gone! Very weird as I was sure it was going to hurt all day...

Hi Fabric, I had the same problem, although I don't know if it's caused by the same anomaly, this pain in left side of my neck (never on right side????) is muscle pain as much as I could comprehend. :cool2:
I'm doing EE as well laying down (because doing full program before going to bed). I noticed these aches in my neck like 1 week ago, and even more intensive in last 5 days, at first I did not know why this thing is happening. I was sure everything I'm doing is absolutely the same as usual, but than my hubby told me that it seems my belly is not moving as usuall, he even noticed how on the end of inhalation I made twitch with left shoulder and move it upward, and that is bad thing because I used neck and shoulders muscles to breathe instead to use only belly breathing. :-[
And yes, the pain was present only while performing BA-HA, and if I might add; occurs during faster Ba-Ha segment, but now there's no more pain because doing it on the right way. IMO it's good to have someone who can check on us from time to time in order to see if we are performing EE as instructed.:)
 
Aragorn said:
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- I'm finding more 'meaning' and depth behind the phrases in the POTS, but I'm having trouble 'translating' the phrase that begins with: "Be my daily bread...'. How do you guys understand this, what does it actually mean?
[snip]
Trevrizent said:
anart said:
Oxajil on Yesterday at 08:02:08 PM said:
I guess asking for help (as in "Be my daily bread") could also mean asking to help us keep remembering the Work, our goals.
Without (the right) food we can do little, because we have to take care of our bodies in order to operate in a healthy way in this world. "Be my daily bread" I kind of see as asking the DCM to help me do what I truly want to do, to do what is best for everyone in a certain situation by strengthening my Will in a certain sense. By giving fuel/food to my soul.

I think that makes sense, and, to me, I often think of 'be my daily bread as I give bread to others' as being directly related to increasing knowledge - 'daily bread' being daily lessons/learning/knowledge and 'as I give to others' being sharing that understanding and encouraging/helping others to learn. To strive to give to others what I gain, each day. fwiw.

My understanding is in line with what anart is saying - "... increasing knowledge - 'daily bread' being daily lessons/learning/knowledge and 'as I give to others' being sharing that understanding and encouraging/helping others to learn. To strive to give to others what I gain, each day."

I thought very similarly as the above.


When I first heard the "daily bread" part of the prayer nearly 1 year ago, I actually instantly interpreted it as a prayer to be part of STO (Service to Others) dynamics, with the bread being knowledge. Beginning with the DCM giving knowledge (true knowledge, not false knowledge, of course) and understanding when asked, and then in turn, myself giving knowledge to others when asked.

Further, when I considered bread to be knowledge and understanding, I thought this kind of bread truly is" daily": every single day of physical existence is an opportunity to learn. So each day, as precious as it is, is even more valuable when it does not pass by without some more knowledge received about one's objective reality: whether it be about oneself, or about one's environment or one's relationships.

For some reason this way to understand hit me very strongly at that time and has never really left me. Each time I say it, I tend to think this. I often think that it is not enough that I would receive knowledge from DCM, but I want to be ready to share knowledge - but only when asked so I am not violating free will. The STO way.

<Daily bread story follows:>

I was once going for a walk and thinking of a parable or allegory that I could use some day to communicate a certain concept, should I ever need it in a conversation or writing or something. Suddenly my brother phones me and in the conversation he tells me of a concept he would like to communicate to his business students, but he could not think of a good way. The concept was very close to the one I was contemplating (coincidence?) and so I instantly had this allegory for him that he could use. He was surprised at my quick answer and thanked me for surely had "given him some daily bread"! Apparently he had thought of these lines in a similar way as me.

Side note: the parable had to do with demonstrating the difficulty (or near impossibility) of doing good, without as much objective knowledge as possible.

</end story>
 
Andromeda said:
Tigersoap said:
SeekinTruth said:
Another really important and long lasting effect of EE I want mention is time anxiety, that feeling of not having enough time to do what you need. I've had this most of my life and since starting EE it stopped on a dime.

I have found the same thing as well, although I can still think that I may not have the time, the stress isn't there, or at least is considerably dimmed down. That's such a relief not feeling like a running rabbit with a giant watch in his pocket.

This was my favorite immediate result. Getting rid of that constant shadow of anxiety is no small thing!!

Now that you all mention it, the anxiety over time also was eliminated as part of my regular use of the program last fall. I had noticed I was just generally calmer in my day to day activities. I have been very sporadic about doing the full program in 2010, but that anxiety has not returned (yet).


Nienna Eluch said:
manitoban said:
Rhys, I'm sorry to hear this and my condolences to you and your partner.

Take care!

Same here, Rhys. You and your partner are in my thoughts and may your partner's brother rest in peace. :flowers:

To Rhys:
I also would add that I am very sorry to hear about that last sad happening in your lives!

Your experience about a presence also made me think of the time Laura heard with her own ears, her Grandfather returning home briefly just after his death.
 
Actually this recent question about "daily bread" reminds me that I have a question myself.

The phrase is "saviour of the soul". Now that we have had this prayer of the soul for nearly a year now, how are people thinking of this? What would a soul need to be saved from?

Due to my early heavy religious programming that taught that people need to have their souls saved by a higher power (Jesus) before they die, there is a certain amount of "interference" here for me. I have to kind of always mentally push this programming aside all the time when I come to that line in the POTS.

I have been thinking along the lines that "saving a soul" is more related to the soul being able to learn its lessons. A soul is "saved", in the context of an individual's physical existence, if it can do what it came to physical life for: to learn its lessons according to its unique karmic lesson profile (I am very loosely using the C's language here).

Therefore, thinking in this way, "saving the soul" is an ongoing process, not a one shot thing in one lifetime, and the prayer expresses the desire for the person to gain True knowledge for the purposes of the soul's lessons. True knowledge, one way or another, originates in the Universal Consciousness, the holy awareness in all creation, or the Divine Cosmic Mind. In other words, this is the right place to direct one's request for True knowledge by calling the Divine Cosmic Mind "saviour of the soul".

Or I could be a bit off here, this was not so clear.
 
Hi everyone,

Ive been doing the daily night time "Pray of the Soul" meditation and one of the problems I have is that when I am doing the breathing my mouth starts to feel up with a lot of saliva. It distracts me because I have to keep swallowing my saliva. I did some research and came up with hyper salivation, but this only happens when I am meditating. It is said that many underlying problems can cause it like toxic build up, illnesses, or even medications. I'm also thinking it may have to do with something mentally. I think it might go away by it self or as I start being healthier so I'm going to be patient with this one, and see what happens.

With my progress I didn't do the EE program I lied :(, somethings got in the way last week so I decided not to do it. I am showing signs of releasing past emotions, whenever something sensitive or emotional pops up on the radio or in my life, I start to cry to tear up. I am going to buy the EE program lessons, and will keep at it.
 
Breton said:
Actually this recent question about "daily bread" reminds me that I have a question myself.
The phrase is "saviour of the soul". Now that we have had this prayer of the soul for nearly a year now, how are people thinking of this? What would a soul need to be saved from?

I think of it as an acknowledgment that Divine Cosmic Mind is the protector and nourisher of the soul. The source of the soul, perhaps, which could prevent it from being 'smashed'.
 
Infiniteness said:
Hi everyone,

Ive been doing the daily night time "Pray of the Soul" meditation and one of the problems I have is that when I am doing the breathing my mouth starts to feel up with a lot of saliva. It distracts me because I have to keep swallowing my saliva. I did some research and came up with hyper salivation, but this only happens when I am meditating. It is said that many underlying problems can cause it like toxic build up, illnesses, or even medications. I'm also thinking it may have to do with something mentally. I think it might go away by it self or as I start being healthier so I'm going to be patient with this one, and see what happens.

With my progress I didn't do the EE program I lied :(, somethings got in the way last week so I decided not to do it. I am showing signs of releasing past emotions, whenever something sensitive or emotional pops up on the radio or in my life, I start to cry to tear up. I am going to buy the EE program lessons, and will keep at it.

Re saliva; try having a bucket or large cup ready and just spit it out, and see if it helps. The cottonwood trees are fluffing out where I am, and its been tough to do anything but snort and sneeze. ;D Battling this and caregiving for my injured Hubby has me off schedule with EE too. The important thing is not to give up or beat yourself up over it...as long as its on your mind you'll get back in the groove.

One of the longest lasting and most welcome of the changes from EE in my mind is a freeing from weird compulsions/addictions to things that I once used to get through a very stressful time in my childhood/adolescence: comic books, fan fictions, and even actors. The desire and odd obsessiveness melted away one day and its not come back. :D

I have had dreams in which vampires and other monsters and even comic characters try to bring my mind back to them.....which is generally the sign to do what I have to do for an EE session, be it decongestants if necessary. This freeing up has improved my day to day mood and helped a lot in working through programs and spotting others.

They key with EE is to not give up if you miss for whatever reason, and its a practice I think that is accumulative.
 
Breton said:
Actually this recent question about "daily bread" reminds me that I have a question myself.

The phrase is "saviour of the soul". Now that we have had this prayer of the soul for nearly a year now, how are people thinking of this? What would a soul need to be saved from?
'soul smashing' perhaps
 
Breton said:
Actually this recent question about "daily bread" reminds me that I have a question myself.

The phrase is "saviour of the soul". Now that we have had this prayer of the soul for nearly a year now, how are people thinking of this? What would a soul need to be saved from?

What saved from? The present "default choice" of Entropy. Saved by consistent Choosing. As the prayer is directed to one's higher self (or the "crosspoint" between oneself and All, the far-"future" state of Being where they meet) - OSIT - I think of it in terms of the saviour of my soul being myself; that is, the Real, genuine Self. At this point in the prayer I recall the concept of that highest part of myself as that which extends into the DCM and which, ultimately, directs through me everything that I manifest towards Creativity, including every choice that brings me closer to STO.
 
Thanks for the thoughts and ideas everyone. They give food for thought.

I might mention Psalehesost briefly.
Psalehesost said:
Breton said:
Actually this recent question about "daily bread" reminds me that I have a question myself.

The phrase is "saviour of the soul". Now that we have had this prayer of the soul for nearly a year now, how are people thinking of this? What would a soul need to be saved from?

What saved from? The present "default choice" of Entropy. Saved by consistent Choosing. As the prayer is directed to one's higher self (or the "crosspoint" between oneself and All, the far-"future" state of Being where they meet) - OSIT - I think of it in terms of the saviour of my soul being myself; that is, the Real, genuine Self. At this point in the prayer I recall the concept of that highest part of myself as that which extends into the DCM and which, ultimately, directs through me everything that I manifest towards Creativity, including every choice that brings me closer to STO.

Yes, that could be a good way to put it, and if I may paraphrase what you just said, the DCM is the "savior from the default choice of entropy which is the default state of 3rd density existence on Earth at this time".

For those, who at a soul level do not wish entropy, or non-being, then this phrase in POTS is certainly a good thing to remind oneself that this non-entropic path is a path of light and knowledge and so it involves the Divine Cosmic Mind. The DCM, by definition, is all truth, and all awareness, in all creation. Further, the access to the Divine Cosmic Mind is through the higher self, as you wrote here.

This idea is ok with me.

So to expand on this concept a bit more, it is not that some outside savior comes along and does all your work for you: but the Divine Cosmic Mind, through your higher self, can open paths to more knowledge, which can lead to more awareness, and more likelihood to make more choices based on freewill. Which leads to "saving the soul" - i.e. not staying on the default entropic path that leads to non-being.

To Stormy Knight and Venusian:
The soul smashing thing might be worthwhile thinking about too as it was a recent concept dealt with in another thread thanks to the C's. At this point I think of soul smashing to be akin to a soul getting so utterly side tracked into acting against its destiny that it gets forced abruptly (when the Wave comes?) to start its learning process completely from scratch (primal matter). Which could take millions or more years - but what is time anyways?

In any case, if soul smashing is something like what I have stated, then this would be something that more knowledge, awareness, and thus free will, would save a soul from. These are things that would come via the Divine Cosmic Mind.

<Time to take a break.>
:cool2:
 
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