Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Ivan_]

I recently restarted EE and will post progress with it like I did earlier.

Have you tried to meditate with "seed"? this would help you to focus and stop the myriads of thoughts going on during the meditation.

Good idea. I tried to do self-remembering in order to collect myself, to get some control right before I do EE a few times, but unfortunately I fell asleep insted
Then decided to set alarms on my cellphone to remind me to do self-remembering at 7, 8 and 9 p.m.
ivan

 

[LQB]

I haven’t posted much in the way of direct EE-related experiences because there haven’t been many. I put myself in the category with members that have not experienced major external/internal events directly tied to an EE session. I have been practicing regularly since last summer – the full program about once per week and PB/POTS most nights if not falling asleep first in a meditative quiet period. Two things that do stand out for me are the usefulness of belly breathing (in terms of relaxed awareness) and greatly enhanced breath capacity. But there are two events (one dream) worth mentioning. I didn’t report them at the time due to time constraints associated with trying to get this farm operational and keep up with some forum threads, SOTT, etc. I’ll start with the dream.

This was an extremely powerful one and may have been a response to contemplation of the mechanisms by which humans get “caught” by external manipulation. This is the kind of dream in which you don’t participate – you are merely “shown” the scene. You are just an observer, like a fly on the wall. The dream opened with a scene in which two men approached quickly a third and proceeded to brutalize him across the spectrum. I only saw the beginning of the physically threatening aspect but “knew” the worst was the psychic brutality directed at/on a gentle soul (human). This individual dissociated from the scene with the most tortured whimpering (not the right word) moaning (in high pitch). The purposes behind this brutality were clearly complete control and manipulation of the individual. In this state of moaning, he was led away. The scene then shifted to another location in which the same was done to another human. After a short time the scene shifted back to the first human and he dissociated again into the same moaning in direct empathy with the suffering of the second. I could see both at the same time but I knew there was no direct sensory contact between the first and second due to physical remoteness. I can’t put into words all that I “saw” in the mechanisms of both the psychic brutality and the empathy other than a very tragic reality based in brutal control/manipulation. The attackers (psychopaths) had no conscious connections among them – the humans did.

The second event was not a dream. In a quiet meditative period before sleep I sometimes let the mind/feelings fly in the form of imagery since I have noticed that the imagery is sometimes a reflection of current feelings, particularly suppressed ones. This particular time I was confronted with a field of moving, vibrating blobs resembling a 3-d scene. I engaged the intellect/mind and the blobs began transforming into a moving scene/drama (like a dream), and I realized that I had been “looking” at my feelings in the moment without the drama scene imposed by the intellect (imposing recognizable objects and drama). I quickly suspended this interference and returned to the moving blobs changing in intensity and interacting with one another. I was surprised by the movement and the “overlay/distortion” capability of objectifying intellect. I was also surprised that I recognized these feelings in the moment. For me, it was a very instructional display of how the feelings can be commandeered to generate the perceived drama.

Just thought that mentioning these events might be useful here.

 

[Smallwood]

IMO it will be great if you do the detox diet and begin with the dietary changes, you won't regret it, it will help a lot. Also just try not to anticipate any result, 'let the things flow naturally', in my case that has been very helpful.

Diet, the one area where I need to grow up adult and fast. It's only a question of pulling myself up from the neck to do it. Also, I need some kitchenware but I'll ask around if my relatives can donate some for me.

I've tried not to anticipate and adjust my expectations for the program (I've set them to none at this point, doing it only for seeking relaxation and peace of mind). I've had some zoning outs earlier when doing the meditation, but just a couple of times, so I know I must have done something right at some point.

Have you tried to meditate with "seed"? this would help you to focus and stop the myriads of thoughts going on during the meditation.

Yes... the seed. That is supposed to be the prayer, or do you mean something else for practise in this case?

 

[seek10]

Hi, seek10. Just want to encourage you to keep at it and continue to share your experiences.

thank you for the encouragement. This week, I was again not able to do POTS before sleep. I am sleeping before I even start POTS. I will need to create settling time before bed, but it is always tough to make a choice which one to do and which is not , particularly with impatient mind is in charge which always looking for some 'feel good'. Too painful to watch the emotion particularly of the 'shouldn't fail' or 'fear of failures', 'you did it previously, continuous to do , so imminent failure' thoughts.

If you have trouble at the moment to do the POTS before sleeping, maybe you can recite the prayer in your mind at day, for example when you're on a break at work, (but don't be angry when someone takes your attention away when you're busy reciting the prayer in the mind (it's not something you 'must' do and you can always do it later or another day).)

Maybe at some point it will become easier to do it before sleep. (Still try that as well though, but be easy and gentle with yourself!)

I thought about this earlier, but decided not to do for fear of zoning out while doing some other thing and the possibility of cultivating a habit of doing without focus on meaning.
Given the way things are going, I will do that cautiously. I can try at home and see how it will be. Thank you for suggestion.

 

[theos]

I'm still having zoning out during the during the ba-ha and POTS. During the last week or so I've been incredibly lazy and haven't done the EE and I've only done the pipe breathing and POTS sporadically. Yesterday, I did the whole program during the day so I wouldn't use tiredness as an excuse and afterwards I slept very deeply. It's like I forget how much of a stress reliever it is.

 

[Luis Miguel]

IMO it will be great if you do the detox diet and begin with the dietary changes, you won't regret it, it will help a lot. Also just try not to anticipate any result, 'let the things flow naturally', in my case that has been very helpful.

Diet, the one area where I need to grow up adult and fast. It's only a question of pulling myself up from the neck to do it. Also, I need some kitchenware but I'll ask around if my relatives can donate some for me.

I've tried not to anticipate and adjust my expectations for the program (I've set them to none at this point, doing it only for seeking relaxation and peace of mind). I've had some zoning outs earlier when doing the meditation, but just a couple of times, so I know I must have done something right at some point.

Have you tried to meditate with "seed"? this would help you to focus and stop the myriads of thoughts going on during the meditation.

Yes... the seed. That is supposed to be the prayer, or do you mean something else for practise in this case?

Both IMO, during the pipe breath part and the POTS part, you could use different seeds also. Regarding that, I think is good to consider that the "seed" will depend of what kind of person you are - as Laura has written -: visual, auditory or kinesthetic, for example, if you are a visual person, you could try to "see" the words or phrases of POTS in your mind, if you are an auditory person you could try to "hear" the POTS in your mind, for example the voice of Laura saying POTS, if you are a kinesthetic person, you could try to "feel"; holding a feeling during the meditation. IMO if you experiment at the beginning with each seed alone for a time, it will help you to discover what fits better to you. Then you could try to combine them, this is very helpful, it has helped me a lot to focus during the meditation.

 

[Aiming]

It's been a while since I last posted about my EE experiences, because nothing much has occurred. The only thing that's changed is that I can do the round breathing again. There was a long time of having to leave it out, because it was overwhelming my system pretty easily. Now I'm back to doing it twice a week and I cope really well with it.

What has changed very recently (within the last two weeks) is that it seems I've won an important battle with my predator. One of many still to come, yeah, but still, it's an important step forward to me. The results? I can suddenly write on the forum without the predator beating me down afterwards. For all the time I've been here on the forum, I've always been projecting my internal predator onto the people here, as if they were judging me and looking down on me like my predator would. Whatever exactly has happened, I succeeded in reaching through that subjective, distorted veil of my psyche and actually viscerally understood you all aren't out there to get me and prove me worthless - on the contrary. :) I've gained some hard to describe sense of inner strength and self-consciousness and, most of all, faith and hope. I've always thought I was having hope and faith, but now the quality of it feels different, deeper and more settled somehow. I have understood that it is on me to develop my innate strength, that I am the one who is doing the battle and that I indeed and onehundred per cent have the power to win this battle.

Another thing that has changed is with my "self-observations". I'm putting it in quotes, because what I've been doing and am still doing is not the real self-observing a la Gurdjieff and 4th Way. But an important thing that's different now is that recently I actually succeeded in not identifying myself with what I was observing in my machine. It was especially conspicuous, because that part of the machine used to be entangled with a lot of guilt. This aspect has been dormant for maybe a year, and when it came back recently I could suddenly see, my! this is not Me! And what a joyous feeling it was to be finally able to simply observe and see it as separate from me and nothing but an aspect to work on/with. The first time I could actually see my machine at work! :) What's even better: I can keep utilizing this one moment of clarity: it's as if I have accessed a new realm of self-observation. Just watching what the machine is doing. Of course, that is not to say that I can always not identify, ha ha, no, but at least I've taken a step ahead and I'm so very grateful for it.

 

[manitoban]

What has changed very recently (within the last two weeks) is that it seems I've won an important battle with my predator. One of many still to come, yeah, but still, it's an important step forward to me. The results? I can suddenly write on the forum without the predator beating me down afterwards. For all the time I've been here on the forum, I've always been projecting my internal predator onto the people here, as if they were judging me and looking down on me like my predator would. Whatever exactly has happened, I succeeded in reaching through that subjective, distorted veil of my psyche and actually viscerally understood you all aren't out there to get me and prove me worthless - on the contrary. :)

This is a great step forward Puzzle, well done! It's so important to be able to post freely as it is the only way we can really identify our programs, and because of that the predator works overtime to stop us in any way it can. When we can get past this, (and believe me I think everyone on this forum goes through this to varying degrees) we can really start making progress.

This aspect has been dormant for maybe a year, and when it came back recently I could suddenly see, my! this is not Me! And what a joyous feeling it was to be finally able to simply observe and see it as separate from me and nothing but an aspect to work on/with. The first time I could actually see my machine at work! :) What's even better: I can keep utilizing this one moment of clarity: it's as if I have accessed a new realm of self-observation. Just watching what the machine is doing. Of course, that is not to say that I can always not identify, ha ha, no, but at least I've taken a step ahead and I'm so very grateful for it.

Another great step forward! And if you can see your machine once, you can see again and bit by bit you can begin to SEE more and more.

Thanks for the update.

 

[Aiming]

And thank you for the encouragement, manitoban, it is much appreciated. :)

 

[Windmill knight]

Great news Puzzle! I agree with manitoban - it sounds like you have made a lot of progress! I'm very happy for you! :D

 

[judyanderson12]

Not to be too whiny, but I finally received my Eiriu-Eolas package in the mail yesterday and was SO disappointed when I didn't receive the copy of the POTS. I had been looking forward to that because I had hand-copied the prayer (don't have a printer) and was looking forward to a pretty copy to put up here. I assume the practice of sending the "Laura autographed" copy of the prayer is no more? Thanks.

Jazper

 

[Chu]

Not to be too whiny, but I finally received my Eiriu-Eolas package in the mail yesterday and was SO disappointed when I didn't receive the copy of the POTS. I had been looking forward to that because I had hand-copied the prayer (don't have a printer) and was looking forward to a pretty copy to put up here. I assume the practice of sending the "Laura autographed" copy of the prayer is no more? Thank

Hello,

I just checked your order, and you purchase the normal version, not the special edition which includes the signed POTS. That is why you didn't receive it. The two options are available here, and on the EE website there is only the normal edition.

But don't worry. Since it's obviously a misunderstanding, we will send you the prayer tomorrow. :D

 

[Infiniteness]

Hi all,

I thought I was doing the pipe breathing correctly, but I re watched the the pipe breathing part of the instructional video and it seems like I am not doing it correctly. I re watched it many times, but it seems like I cant make the same noise that Laura makes when shes breathing in. Dose it have to sound the same or can it sound different? Sometimes it seems like I am making the correct sound, but it feels like I am putting to much energy into it to make the sound. I know it sounds like a rant(sorry), but Ive gotten pretty frustrated and angry at myself because I cant get it. Maybe I am blocking my self like the Cs said and not putting my all in to it, but I dont feel that way. Lately Ive been feeling really depressed and just seems like I'm losing it, it also seems like many other forum members are feeling this way too. Well I received my EE package today, so I will watch the whole thing and pay close attention. Any advice would be great full.

 

[Alana]

Hi all,

I thought I was doing the pipe breathing correctly, but I re watched the the pipe breathing part of the instructional video and it seems like I am not doing it correctly. I re watched it many times, but it seems like I cant make the same noise that Laura makes when shes breathing in. Dose it have to sound the same or can it sound different?

Hi Infiniteness.

If you notice, Laura says in the video that she will exaggerate the noise so that it can be heard. But in my experience, and watching others learning pipe breathing, most often the inhalation doesn't sound as loud as Laura makes it sound.

Sometimes it seems like I am making the correct sound, but it feels like I am putting to much energy into it to make the sound.

Do you hear even a faint hhhhh sound when you inhale? It also seems that you are more concerned about the inhalation, so i will assume that you feel that you are doing the exhalation correctly, right? If that's so, try this: while you exhale with the haaaaa sound, stop yourself, close your mouth, and start inhaling through the nose holding that same sensation you had in your throat during the haaaaa exhalation part. Try this, and let me know. Also let me know if the way i describe what to do is clear enough.

I know it sounds like a rant(sorry), but Ive gotten pretty frustrated and angry at myself because I cant get it.

First, you don't sound like you are ranting, you are asking clarification to make sure you do it correctly. That's perfectly appropriate. You do however sound frustrated, which goes against the purpose of the program, which is to relax you. Perhaps is not so much to do with the breathing, but the other frustrations that you speak about below?

Maybe I am blocking my self like the Cs said and not putting my all in to it, but I dont feel that way. Lately Ive been feeling really depressed and just seems like I'm losing it, it also seems like many other forum members are feeling this way too.

Yes, it sounds that most of us are going through rough times at the moment. I am not sure what it is, but if you watch what's going in general in the world, everybody seems to be affected by negative events, except the psychopaths who create them. For us, what's best at the moment, is to keep at doing all the things that help our bodies, minds and spirits deal with the chaos that surrounds us and sometimes is found within us too. So keep up your EE practice, and follow the diet guidelines that are highlighted in the Diet & Health section of the forum. Remember that with will and perseverance, this too shall pass.

I hope you don't mind me sharing a joke with you i recently came across, at the EE forum actually. It has a valid point, and it helped lighten my mood when i read it, i hope it helps you too:

A student went to his meditation teacher and said, "My meditation is horrible! I feel so distracted, or my legs ache, or I'm constantly falling asleep. It's just horrible!"

"It will pass," the teacher said matter-of-factly.

A week later, the student came back to his teacher. "My meditation is wonderful! I feel so aware, so peaceful, so alive! It's just wonderful!"

"It will pass," the teacher replied matter-of-factly.

Keep us posted of your process, Infiniteness :)

 

[Iron]

This joke is still funny to me. The first time I heard was when I was into meditation without seed years ago.

Reporting my progress. Nothing of earthshattering, but some addictions I have are losing their grip on me.
Its happening kinda fast actually.
And is becoming easier each day to think in a more objective way, and to spot mechanicalness in myself.