Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Ollie]

Change continues to slowly happen at a deep level. This week’s experiences of the E-E Breathing programme are similar to previous weeks – the normal effects, for me, associated with listening to Laura whilst doing the pipe breathing (tears and yawning) and PotS (tears running down my face, and micro/mini-zoning out).

This experience is from doing the full programme (less round breathing) whilst listening to the DVD on Monday and Tuesday, and reciting PotS to my-self each night before sleep.

 

[Oxajil]

Here is some more info that helped me:

(took this image from my biology book)

So the glottis is the opening at the upper part of the larynx between the vocal cords. It is the combination of the vocal cords and the space between them. You could also say that the glottis is the opening of the trachea aka windpipe.

I hope I labeled it the right way on the image. (The esophagus is actually behind the trachea)

And the reason why you need to restrict the glottis, is because:

The left and right vagus nerves pass between the trachea (where air goes in) and esophagus (where food and liquid goes in). And the beneficial effects of controlled breathing on the vagus nerve occur primarily during exhalation. Supposedly, during exhaling, your heart rate decelerates and during the period of deceleration of the heart, the vagus becomes active.

This is why you breath out longer (9 counts) than you breath in (6 counts). And as Heimdallr said, you need to do Pipe Breathing as you breath in and as you breath out.

 

[herondancer]

Thanks for the great illustration Oxajil. Not only does it show the larynx, but the relationship between the lungs, diaphragm and the abdominal cavity. My own practice got much better when that got sorted out in my head. :P

 

[Nienna]

Nienna
Re

When you breathe in through the nose, your glottis needs to have that same constriction as when you breathe out. Only you are bringing the air in through the nose. What is weird is when you do it right, it doesn't feel like you are breathing with your nose, even though your mouth is shut. That's because you can feel the constriction in the glottis more and you can feel the air going through it.

Can you explain the reasons for constricting the glottis on inhalation, is this for continued vagus effect or some other reason?

As others already answered you with an affirmative, :) I just thought that I would give you the link to the Eiriu Eolas site so that, if you would like to, you can watch the first video that explains that and a whole lot of research and other interesting things, along with explaining how to constrict the glottis in order to stimulate the vagus nerve.

 

[Stevie Argyl]

Nienna
Re

When you breathe in through the nose, your glottis needs to have that same constriction as when you breathe out. Only you are bringing the air in through the nose. What is weird is when you do it right, it doesn't feel like you are breathing with your nose, even though your mouth is shut. That's because you can feel the constriction in the glottis more and you can feel the air going through it.

Can you explain the reasons for constricting the glottis on inhalation, is this for continued vagus effect or some other reason?

As others already answered you with an affirmative, :) I just thought that I would give you the link to the Eiriu Eolas site so that, if you would like to, you can watch the first video that explains that and a whole lot of research and other interesting things, along with explaining how to constrict the glottis in order to stimulate the vagus nerve.

Thanks Nienna and to Oxajil for the diagram.

 

[zim]

Can I do the EE program in two parts I mean can I do the meditate part alone before sleep somedays or I have to do all the EE program together ?

Hi zim,

Yes, you can do only the meditation before sleeping.

You can do the whole/all the EE program (warming-up > 3-stage breathing > warrior's breath > BaHa (if you can) > meditation) once or twice a week, or more if you want.

And it is very recommended to do the meditation every night (or day). And if you're really sleepy, it's okay then if you can't concentrate on the words of the prayer, just let it play. But if you can, try to concentrate on Laura's voice and the meaning of the words as herondancer recommended.

If you want you can also do the 3-Stage Breathing and Warrior's Breath every morning.

But what is the most important is:

- meditation every night
- pipe breathing whenever you feel like (in stressful situations and/or when you're in pain for example)
- full program atleast once or twice a week (if possible)

Hi Oxajil

Thanks for your answer It looks to me made the 3 Stage Breathing and the warrior´s breath in the morning but I think I didnt do the pipe breath very well, I breath in good but when I breath out and say haa I dont know if I have to make some other movement in my mouth so can do it better?

Hi zim,

It's not your mouth that you have to "make different", but your throat. When you say a long, drawn-out Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa, can you feel your throat constrict? It's actually the glottis that you are constricting, your voice box, so to say. If you can feel the constriction, try to make it even more pronounced (deeper sounding). It sounds sort of like a person having an asthma attack, or Darth Vadar, if you will.

When you breathe in through the nose, your glottis needs to have that same constriction as when you breathe out. Only you are bringing the air in through the nose. What is weird is when you do it right, it doesn't feel like you are breathing with your nose, even though your mouth is shut. That's because you can feel the constriction in the glottis more and you can feel the air going through it.

I hope that helps. :)

Hi Nienna

So when I breath in I must do like Im trying to take my nasal fluid to my throat? Although I dont have any nasal fluid but just the feeling??? So in that moment I feel my throat have to be contracted ?

 

[mada85]

This evening I had an irresistible urge to drift off into dreamland during the ba-ha section. Dreamy thoughts were carrying me away. The round breathing is so relaxing! I'm not sure if such dreaminess actually qualifies as zoning or not. Whenever I came back the breathing was still happening though.

So when I breath in I must do like Im trying to take my nasal fluid to my throat? Although I dont have any nasal fluid but just the feeling??? So in that moment I feel my throat have to be contracted ?

What works for me is this: just before I'm about to breathe in I contract my throat as though I am about to swallow. Maintaining the constriction as I breathe in, the air feels cool in my throat. In comparison, I cannot feel the passage of air in my nostrils, almost as though I am not breathing in through my nose.

On breathing out, I do the same again: contracting my throat as though I am about to swallow, then I maintain the constriction while I exhale. This type of constriction does not produce the 'haaaa' sound, so, keeping the pre-swallowing constriction, I make the 'haaaa' sound. This alters the shape of the throat and shape of the constriction and for me at least produces a good stimulation of the vagus nerve.

 

[JGeropoulas]

Hello all:

Thought I would share with you all a quite unexpected use/benefit of the Breathing Program:

I took a nasty fall down the stairs this morning and dislocated my shoulder. The pain was almost unbearable as I went through all the emergency room procedures, including numerous X-rays. During all of this I took the opportunity to practice my breathing, and it was quite effective in easing the pain, or at least distracting me from it (though I think a lot of the other patients thought I was headed to the psych ward).

By the time I finally got to see a doctor, the pain was manageable. She told me that the dislocation was severe and that they would have to put me under to put the bone back in the socket, as it would be too painful to do manually. I suggested that they try doing it manually first (as I didn't want to undergo anaesthesia if I didn't have to), and the doctor reluctantly agreed. Before starting she told me that I would have to try very hard to relax. I told her that I already WAS relaxed, and she said, with some surprise, "Yeah, you look pretty relaxed, considering".

I continued my breathing as she started to manually manipulate my arm and shoulder, and throughout the procedure the doctor kept saying "My god, you ARE relaxed, I've never seen a dislocation patient so relaxed". Don't get me wrong, it hurt like hell, but the breathing kept me from tensing up and making the doctor's job harder. In no time the bone was back in the socket, and I felt as good as new. The doctor said that it was the easiest relocation she'd ever done, and thanked me for being such a cooperative patient.

Thank you, Laura and C's, for giving us another indispensable tool!

Similarly, last week, while having a root canal done by a new dentist, I used round breathing to relax. The next thing I knew, I "woke up" as he finished the procedure!

 

[Tina]

Hi zim,

What is weird is when you do it right, it doesn't feel like you are breathing with your nose, even though your mouth is shut. That's because you can feel the constriction in the glottis more and you can feel the air going through it.

I hope that helps. :)

I think this is an excellent teaching description, it's a good way to check if you're doing it correctly. You could also say it's like inhaling with your throat, but with your mouth closed.

 

[JAKSUN]

Agent Ignite checking in to report:

This wave reading unit has been doing the EE program from its inception; pretty well save for the diet. He had dropped the Audio, Warrior and Beatha around December last year. Ignite has practiced pipe breath and meditation most days from the first. It’s like a religion to him.
There were several crying sessions from late July 2009 'till November. Ignite has been having paranormal experiences at times, and lots of dreams. Construction dreams, dump dreams and some very, very far out dreams; and lately a lot of learning dreams. There has been pretty well a total cleanout of the old life and now the last tie is on sale.

Ignite started EE with incorrect chest breathing, I forgive him; he was unwell and the video was small. Ignite has since seen the DVD version and realised he was not widening the upper chest, but widening the rib cage laterally instead. Sometimes I really wonder about that boy!

But now, he is three weeks on the Ultra Simple diet and reintroducing other foods slowly; taking the recommended supplements in addition to nascent iodine, magnesium oil and bi-carb soda. Ignite is reading on more circuits now for sure. What will happen when his DMSO arrives this week???

Hi all,

I have been remiss on reporting over the last few months...call it going through a lot of 'stuff'. My apologies to the group. The size of this thread has intimidated me to such an extent that I post this information without looking in its past. I have mud on my face if the following striking experience is repeated earlier.

I re-started the full EE approx three weeks ago after several shocks and a strong sense of urgency (not to mention a little psyche help). The last few EE sessions which I really wish to share, have been strikingly different in particular, no doubt related to the diet and supplements in an intricate way. To understand the phenomena experienced I need to give you a little background and then will describe these experiences as I subjectively assessed them.

I am going to try to explain a feeling I get in my legs which I call restless leg syndrome. I have had this "feeling" off and on since my early twenties. I have never liked this odd feeling, finding it very uncomfortable and usually arise and do something than lie there enduring the unpleasant waves of nervous energy. Why I am describing it, is because something like it has become a significant component of my EE meditation.

It is an electric/nervous/ perhaps magnetic sensation, usually starting in my lower legs and sometimes in my lumbar region. It usually persists for an hour or more and only happens when I relax. Though sometimes, it occurs when I am sitting relaxed. Horrid! Then I turn into a snake if I don’t get up!

23 July Friday 2010
Last night while doing EE, specifically the second series of Beatha breathing; I was almost overcome with an incredible strong nervous sensation over my lower face and my chest, in my waist and hips, less intense in my legs. The sensations roar around the tip of my nose and my mouth and I feel something touch me gently on my right cheek, perhaps an encouragement as I also feel some kind of helping presence. It is most uncomfortable and alarming, but I endure, staying relaxed as I can while continuing to breathe. It surrounds me in rapid waves of tingling and intense prickly vibrations which make no sound or effect on my skin. The sensation seems to be in another body within my own. I feel it move in wave like motions and it kind of flows.

These leg sensations have often driven me from my meditation in the last year, which is why I was meditating and breathing in a chair. Tonight the sensations are so intense that I feel the surge flowing round my lower torso and pushing tension outward to the ‘edge’ of my body while laying expansiveness into another body within my own. It takes effort for me to stay relaxed during this energy flow.

At the end of Beatha as I relax in relief, a similar though "cleaner" sensation starts in my feet and travels up to my torso, causing occasional twitches and the odd intense itch/pain somewhere in my leg. I do not scratch or move, trying to keep my body perfectly relaxed. The gentler sensations play over and in my legs and remain tolerable in my deep relaxation. But once Laura finishes guiding, I cannot endure the feeling and get up reluctantly (I am deeply relaxed).

24 July Saturday 2010
Same deal as last night only less intense. The expansive 'hollowing out' in my hips returns but is not nearly as remarkable. It is even pleasant now as I observe it with interest. I find the waves of sensation more tolerable in my legs, observing it carefully and allowing myself to stay relaxed even though the occasional sharp vectoring of discomfort appears in isolated spots and I twitch. This time I have a similar sensation of touch, this time on my left cheek. I am forming the idea that this sensation has nothing to do with my physical body, more to do with another body in the same place. This other body is mine and I think it is becoming stronger and more at home. I look forward to the experience of it now.

25 July Sunday 2010
The tingling begins again but on the third section of Beatha. It is not nearly as intense as before but it is most noticeable. Once again as I relax into the meditation the sensations play up and down my legs accompanied by the occasional twitch as tension is released. I am able to follow the meditation guidance with no discomfort, only a new enjoyment of this new psychical/physical sensation of warmth and gentle energy coursing through my body up to the level of my torso. I complete the meditation and stay listening to the soundtrack in a deeply relaxed state. I finish up feeling very, very relaxed and unwilling to move from the warm comfort. I find the sensations almost like orgasmic sensations that one sometimes briefly experiences in gentle sex. But this sensation is still different and persists for at least a half an hour or more, and it flows, like a flame, not hot but!

26 July Monday 2010
Once again the build up of sensation begins in the last stage of Beatha and is felt as gentler waves during the meditation itself. But it is like it starts in my feet and travels up my body, slightly uncomfortable in its strangeness and intense over my face during Beatha. Tonight it is gentler globally, but the strong waves travel through me as though I am lying on a beach with the shallow waves surging around me. It is like a shallow pool of warm tingling water. Waves of sensate are now acceptable to my system where once they were an intolerable intrusion.

Tonight the sensations travel their normal course through my body and up into my torso, but this time I feel them briefly reach up into my lower chest, just above my liver. The nonphysical electric-like sensations ebb and flow around inside me. I think of Chi and wonder if it is that. I observe it carefully, noting its movement and the occasional twitch or sharp pain of a release somewhere in my left leg. I notice it playing around my knees this time and it makes them warm - I have had trouble with my knees over the last ten years, particularly when in New Zealand. Now my feet occasionally twitch and I consciously maintain relaxation - but I wonder if there is some muscle system that I am not relaxing in my legs somewhere. Nevertheless, I remain deeply relaxed and visualise any hidden tension is released.
This time again, it is very easy to stay with the relaxation even after Laura has stopped talking, and as I continue self POTS to the end of the session the energy waves continue to ebb and flow around and through my legs and hips. I am very deeply relaxed and at peace but I must arise to go to the toilet.
Now as I write these notes in bed before sleep a half hour later, I can still feel that lovely warm glow flowing in my knees, thighs and hips up to my lumbar region.
I love it!

I am willing to admit that these ‘physical’ experiences may be tied the release of tension due from several heavy lifting strains over the early years, but that does not explain the enduring psychic flow experienced. Am I experiencing a past life release or is there really a new body growing in this one? One day soon I will find out, ha!

 

[Human]

A short update on my last EE sessions.

On Thursday evening, after two weeks not practicing it, I did full EE.
Coughing and swallowing are still decreasing, almost to the point of not interfering with smooth practice of the program.
At some point during Beatha I started to sneeze (several times in a row) which I can't remember happened before.
Feeling of energy flow through the top of my head changed to feeling like there was a "plate" on my head. Much more coarser energy, with a slightly prickling taste. And there was also a lot of prickling in my arms and slightly in my legs also.
Feeling on my right lower side of rib cage still present.

Yesterday evening was much more interesting, though.
Very little swallowing and a couple of coughs. One big one during Beatha part, which (as if) moved this something around my right kidney area upwards toward chest region and my left eye became lachrymal as this energy moved. By the end of the program nothing noticeable happened.
Still lying down, listening to meditational music after Laura finished with POTS, inspired by current reading of Unholy Hungers, I was thinking about possible positive Father archetype absence in my life and was wondering what kind of it's traits I should look for in myself. Slowly a concept/word of perseverance/persistence started to take shape in my mind and an urge to cry came over me. Next moment I was sobbing like a child and a liberating feeling of airiness filled my chest and solar plexus. Feelings beneath sobbing were sadness and also joy, intermixed together. Well, I suspect that this joy could have come from finally seeing something "visible" happening in regard to EE cleansing process. The sensation on my right side disappeared and it felt like a hole was left behind it. As time passed (till now) it got solid (but less than before) back again.

At some point during the night (again some troubles getting asleep), I woke up with a very "nervous" stomach. There was a lot of energy movement inside front side of my torso and I was on the verge of vomiting. Succeeded, with deep breathing and some thought gymnastic, to suppress it, and after some time went back asleep same as I woke up. This kind of night stomach troubles happened few times during last several years and each time I ended up hugging a WC. This was the first one in which I managed to control it. Remembering previous times, I had looked for their reasons in food and my weak guts, it could be that this time difference came from EE and dietary changes.

All in all, a "huge" change for me, I hope in good direction, and I'm looking forward with a little impatience to next EE session.

 

[celtic]

I haven't done the EE in quite sometime now but just started again last friday or thursday. Like a lot of others it is very hard for me to catch up or advance with the group since I been absent from the forum and EE for a while. Reason being I lost hope in myself and figured I didn't have enough intellect or understanding as everyone else and just did not have the words or work put into this to continue my participation on the forum. Plus my mind was to preocupied in wishful thinking and society materialism I didn't pay to much attention to my obtaining of knowledge. But I realize I am getting better I geuss and I do realize my conscious is growing and I am a lot smarter and my critical thinking skills are developing.

I have realize after my last post that we all have similar problems and infact may be exactly the same. Of course this gives me courage to stay and discuss and give feed back to others who I know have similar problems like my own.

But with my EE experience When I did it last week it was still intense as if I was doing it for the first time. I had zone outs doing the pot breaths a couple of times and waking up and the video will be completely done. I also got this pressure all over my body starting from my legs up to my head then focus or absorbed in the middle of my prefrontal lobe while doing Biobreathing. Yesterday the pressure got so intense that It actually felt like my soul was about to extract from my physical body. It did the same steps like last week from feet on up to the head to the middle of my forehead. And when the energy formulated in the middle of my forehead my eye lids started to lighten up as if I was placing a very bright light bolb right in front of my face. Yesterday I actually went to sleep while doing the breatha and woke up at 3 in the morning talk about wasting electricity considering I left the light on and my old x box which I have the EE on.

Last time I did the EE was about a month ago I stop because while I was doing it I had a very hard time continueing doing the breatha. For some reason my breathing was very shallow and low that it took a lot of energy out of me to continue it was almost like trying to keep your head under water for long periods of time (I think because I did it to often). I could not finish the exercise and had to stop I could not continue and after this I lost all hope in my ability to continue and kind of drifted off in my own little world now I am trying to get back on track with everything.

 

[JAKSUN]

A short update on my last EE sessions.

On Thursday evening, after two weeks not practicing it, I did full EE.
Coughing and swallowing are still decreasing, almost to the point of not interfering with smooth practice of the program.
At some point during Beatha I started to sneeze (several times in a row) which I can't remember happened before.
Feeling of energy flow through the top of my head changed to feeling like there was a "plate" on my head. Much more coarser energy, with a slightly prickling taste. And there was also a lot of prickling in my arms and slightly in my legs also.
Feeling on my right lower side of rib cage still present.

Yesterday evening was much more interesting, though.
Very little swallowing and a couple of coughs. One big one during Beatha part, which (as if) moved this something around my right kidney area upwards toward chest region and my left eye became lachrymal as this energy moved. By the end of the program nothing noticeable happened.
Still lying down, listening to meditational music after Laura finished with POTS, inspired by current reading of Unholy Hungers, I was thinking about possible positive Father archetype absence in my life and was wondering what kind of it's traits I should look for in myself. Slowly a concept/word of perseverance/persistence started to take shape in my mind and an urge to cry came over me. Next moment I was sobbing like a child and a liberating feeling of airiness filled my chest and solar plexus. Feelings beneath sobbing were sadness and also joy, intermixed together. Well, I suspect that this joy could have come from finally seeing something "visible" happening in regard to EE cleansing process. The sensation on my right side disappeared and it felt like a hole was left behind it. As time passed (till now) it got solid (but less than before) back again.

At some point during the night (again some troubles getting asleep), I woke up with a very "nervous" stomach. There was a lot of energy movement inside front side of my torso and I was on the verge of vomiting. Succeeded, with deep breathing and some thought gymnastic, to suppress it, and after some time went back asleep same as I woke up. This kind of night stomach troubles happened few times during last several years and each time I ended up hugging a WC. This was the first one in which I managed to control it. Remembering previous times, I had looked for their reasons in food and my weak guts, it could be that this time difference came from EE and dietary changes.

All in all, a "huge" change for me, I hope in good direction, and I'm looking forward with a little impatience to next EE session.

I know what you mean by "looking forward with impatience" masasa. EE is a big event in my day too. As for the energy flows; my experience was less intense last night but more global inasmuch as the energy could be felt all over my body. I too experienced a flush of tears after a subtle thought process toward the end and it is that liberating feeling of indescribable joy and gratitude. And yes, I vouch for the dietry changes.
There is a Frequency Responce Vibration aspect to this, and I suspect that a real network is growing between Breathers and those that are cleaning up their diet, that is not of this world as we know it. Psychic touch, you make me melt with joy.

 

[JAKSUN]

I haven't done the EE in quite sometime now but just started again last Friday or thursday. Like a lot of others it is very hard for me to catch up or advance with the group since I been absent from the forum and EE for a while. Reason being I lost hope in myself and figured I didn't have enough intellect or understanding as everyone else and just did not have the words or work put into this to continue my participation on the forum. Plus my mind was to preocupied in wishful thinking and society materialism I didn't pay to much attention to my obtaining of knowledge. But I realize I am getting better I geuss and I do realize my conscious is growing and I am a lot smarter and my critical thinking skills are developing.

I have realize after my last post that we all have similar problems and infact may be exactly the same. Of course this gives me courage to stay and discuss and give feed back to others who I know have similar problems like my own.

But with my EE experience When I did it last week it was still intense as if I was doing it for the first time. I had zone outs doing the pot breaths a couple of times and waking up and the video will be completely done. I also got this pressure all over my body starting from my legs up to my head then focus or absorbed in the middle of my prefrontal lobe while doing Biobreathing. Yesterday the pressure got so intense that It actually felt like my soul was about to extract from my physical body. It did the same steps like last week from feet on up to the head to the middle of my forehead. And when the energy formulated in the middle of my forehead my eye lids started to lighten up as if I was placing a very bright light bolb right in front of my face. Yesterday I actually went to sleep while doing the breatha and woke up at 3 in the morning talk about wasting electricity considering I left the light on and my old x box which I have the EE on.

Last time I did the EE was about a month ago I stop because while I was doing it I had a very hard time continueing doing the breatha. For some reason my breathing was very shallow and low that it took a lot of energy out of me to continue it was almost like trying to keep your head under water for long periods of time (I think because I did it to often). I could not finish the exercise and had to stop I could not continue and after this I lost all hope in my ability to continue and kind of drifted off in my own little world now I am trying to get back on track with everything.

Hello celtic. Our problems are shared I think, and I also think not to worry, as you are just going through the process of clearing stuff. May I suggest that you persevere with EE at all costs and consider implementing the Ultra Simple Diet ASAP. Trust me, it will pay off sooner than you think, but not without changes in your personal life. When we make the effort here, our higher self rushes forward to meet us. But we have to take the choice and make the commitment in knowledge, trust and faith first. I too, also wondered if I was going to leave my body with the power and lightness I could feel. "Oh what a feeling". :D

 

[anart]

I haven't done the EE in quite sometime now but just started again last friday or thursday. Like a lot of others it is very hard for me to catch up or advance with the group since I been absent from the forum and EE for a while. Reason being I lost hope in myself and figured I didn't have enough intellect or understanding as everyone else and just did not have the words or work put into this to continue my participation on the forum. Plus my mind was to preocupied in wishful thinking and society materialism I didn't pay to much attention to my obtaining of knowledge. But I realize I am getting better I geuss and I do realize my conscious is growing and I am a lot smarter and my critical thinking skills are developing.

Maybe it will help to think about it this way: this is your life, you are here, and every single day you either move in one direction or the other. You either move toward more knowledge, understanding and discernment (and creativity) or toward more laziness of thought, dreaming and confusion (and entropy). Some days, you'll make strides just large enough for you to notice, in one direction or another. Other days you will swear you are standing still, though you're not.

Even on those days that it feels you are standing still, you are still moving in one direction or the other because there is no stasis.

So, with that in mind, even those 'standing still' days count - they count because if you can, even then, keep thinking (moving) in the direction of increasing creativity and away from increasing entropy, then you'll turn around one day and see how far you've come without having realized most of that journey took place. I think the point is to never lose sight of where you intend to 'go' - even when you're lost a bit in yourself and everything is foggy.

Keep doing the EE as often as you can. Don't beat yourself up when you miss it, but also try to push through and do it on those days you really don't feel like it. You're getting there.