Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Laura said:
Endymion, we have a thread for the posting of EE experiences and I'll be moving this post there. I've repeatedly asked for experiences that are not too esoteric to be posted to the EE forum. I don't see much point in triple efforts.

Ok I could give you my experience Laura, if you want to take it.

I am 18 years old, so I am not so an experience being in this life, so, I have not so much knowledge that I could use to understand why I have lived so much pain in my life at my 18 years living in this world. So the EE program didn't bring me miraculously, knowledge to protect myself, but constantly kinda give me changes in my way to be, or thoughts that acted like poison in my being.

So constantly doing the EE program I changed my life and I became to feel powerful, to clean my self those things that didn't let me to be a better person and to work and live better, and to think better. Because I wasn't not intelligent, kinda dumb, but now I am not Einstein but I learn better and discern better than before.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
I don't think it was noise. And I'm glad you brought it up here. Networking is what we are all about. Yes, there are some things that are just noise, but when we are dealing with our lives and choices that can have a detrimental affect on them, getting answers from the "Network" is most important in order to "see" what is really going on and to decide which way to go. And, there can be learning for others in the discussion.
So I don't think you have anything to apologize for. :)

Thank you for the encouragement. I think its my predator and programs making me feel doubtful of my posts because its scared of being exposed. After going through this whole situation, I realized that if I didn't network, I would of probably pursued something with her(learned the importance of what you have said). And who knows what would of happened or what problems I would of gotten into. Will continue working on my networking skills. :)
 
My experience of doing the E-E breathing meditation programme this week, shows dryer eyes, only wet (that’s especially for Kniall :)), and one yawn per recitation of PotS, and no zoning out. Also, an improvement in reciting PotS in bed, I kept to the recitation without losing my place.
 
Hello all! :)

I thought I'd share some recent experience with EE:

In July I did a session without the Warrior's Breath. That was the frist time the BaHa part wasn't strenous at all - it flowed very easily. While doing the breathing I got the idea of buying soapstone and forming a heart out of it (I saw an image of it while breathing) and writing on it my boyfriend's and my name and the sign of a laying eight, the infinity symbol; at the same time suggesting that each of us is still their own master and independent but united. And then giving this heart of soapstone to him for his birthday.
As it turned out, the next day at work I asked a customer where I could buy soapstone and I bought it plus instruments for carving right after work and worked on the stone the rest of the day into the night. It became different than in my vision because I had to go with what the stone was giving me with its shape, but it became really beautiful. It was my first real creative work in my life (except for sketching when a child). While working the stone there was one part of me really surprised and asking 'Damn, where did you learn that?', while another part was something like 'Well, of course I can do this, I always could.'

In any case, the gift was very well received. And it gave me something to think about that I had this vision of carving a stone as symbol for our love while doing the EE program. As in: so I was not wishfully thinking when feeling love for him? Because really, I sometimes worry about being in a relationship when I am not even at the stage of loving myself and knowing myself. You all know what I mean.

Back to that session. When the POTs started it was beautiful: it was as if I was seeing with my inner eyes, inner view. I saw a beautiful blue light up there. The walls of the 'egg' I am in were beginning to crack open and this bright blue light was what was shining through from the outside. I tried to pull it closer but it didn't work. Then, there were many different images I saw. During BaHa, concentrating on the third eye, I saw first a face resembling Nofretete, but when I tried to 'do' something with it, it turned lifeless. Then I saw a simplistic male stone face. The images during POTS had a lot of patterns looking like Native American ones. Once I saw 'me' -as another person- in a cave with others doing something with stones.
Some images I couldn't really see, there was only the substance but no clear picture. Then also, many different scenes with people and situations, that is as if from different lives and repeatedly in most of these different lives/places there would be a spot of bright colour; as if everywhere I go I would be reminded of the True Place, connecting back to the beautiful blue light - which is Home. :)

Another thing that's really conspicious is that there were repeated occasions where I would start weeping, feeling great pain whenever I see a scene in a movie where two loved ones are being separated by death. Not by normal death, but by death inflicted by evil people, e.g. executions for whatever 'political' reason.

One night my boyfriend and I watched the movie "The Notebook", a movie about a great love. When I saw how loving the couple was with each other, especially how the woman was able to show and live her love, I grew really tense. It ended in me weeping and in between my weeps explaining to my boyfriend what was going on with me: that I knew that I should live my love towards him and I knew that I had this love in me, but that my fear is so very great. When he asked what exactly this fear is I -in real inner pain- replied how if I take the step to really love him (though of course I don't even know what real love looks like), to open up entirely, how I at the same time would be accepting the great pain of losing him through death. Because for some reason I have had occasional images of experiencing his death - and this again ties in to this pain I feel when I see a movie scene when a couple truly loving each other are being separated because someone executing the regime's will is murdering them or one of them.
This might -or as well might not- be a clue to a former life, although I haven't seen any images of them (yet?).

I know, folks, how relationships while being asleep are most commonly nothing but feeding. And I'm still looking to find out where feeding occurs in my relationship, and I've seen a bit, but most probably not all. But what I think is that until now there's been a lot of mutual learning with each other and a lot of personal learning in myself. And this love - whether it is true love will be seen.

What I tend to think about this 'opening up to love - business' is probably nothing but normal, down-to-earth psychology. I haven't experienced true love in this life, that child back then wasn't loved and of course it learned not to open up to anybody. Thus now, where the ground for it seems there (current relationship) it is very hard to open up and bring my feelings out into the open, out into life and to the other person. The world of feelings in myself for another, caring and being there for another - that's new land for me to tread upon and the language needs to be learned first of all. So, it could be just another case of me making something bigger and more grandiose than it is - or I'm simply surprised about the intensity of feeling I suddenly seem to (occasionally) have.

It's just puzzle pieces for now, but it's surely getting interesting. :)


And while doing EE at another time I again had a lot of images in a zoning state and suddenly I saw an elv (as from Lord of the Rings), but with evil eyes and looking directly at me. What I sense there, it could be that I was looking at my predator in a visual form for the first time.

I've just finished today's EE. It was such a comfort to do it. I felt such a love for you all (this group) being here, for existing! :love:
This time, while breathing, all that was going on in my mind was being reminded of the need to network more. I have quite some topics to ask for feedback on, but somehow I've been postponing all this while.
 
Hi Puzzle wow, thank you for sharing! It truly is interesting.

Your creativity blooming, and some kind of cleansing or realization on some level it seems, and much more.
And yes, every relationship has some feeding going on, but as you said, there is mutual learning and that makes a relationship, imo, worth it. And I think mutual learning might not even be so necessary, as long as both fulfill each other's needs to such an extent that there is some kind of balance. There has to be some input of energy coming from both sides. I'm glad he is by your side :) and you know we are too! Stay vigilant though at all times.

I also think you're being clever in keeping options open for what things could be. That way, you won't be making limitations on yourself.

Keep it up!
 
Thanks Oxajil! :)

I'll of course remain vigilant and, as I said, keep working on networking more, so I can see myself and thus the relationship more clearly.

By the way, an off-topic, it's really interesting that it's you replying to my post. Maybe or probably it's just projection, but I feel connected to you in some way. (If this is in any way inappropriate, mods, please let me know.)
Plus, I had a dream recently where I was in great danger and I fled and eventually it was you showing me the way out and leading me to a school.
I think this has to do with this very specific atmosphere/energy you seem to emanate; it strucks a chord with me - thus, it seems I have such an aspect inside of me, too; leading to an "inner Oxajil" symbol, showing me the way out of danger.

But as I said, it's puzzle pieces only and a long long journey of discovery. :)
 
Puzzle said:
Thanks Oxajil! :)

I'll of course remain vigilant and, as I said, keep working on networking more, so I can see myself and thus the relationship more clearly.

I liked to write the same: to keep on networking and maybe as well writing a diary and the last thing: also to get more knowledge: forum, books etc. Maybe also rereading some parts of "Unholy hungers" from Barbara Hort may help to get an outside view on your situation as well.

:)

puzzle said:
Because for some reason I have had occasional images of experiencing his death - and this again ties in to this pain I feel when I see a movie scene when a couple truly loving each other are being separated because someone executing the regime's will is murdering them or one of them.

But don't take it at face value, it is still imagination and maybe has something more to do with your self, that means symbolically.


puzzle said:
I've just finished today's EE. It was such a comfort to do it. I felt such a love for you all (this group) being here, for existing!
This time, while breathing, all that was going on in my mind was being reminded of the need to network more. I have quite some topics to ask for feedback on, but somehow I've been postponing all this while.

Something similar happened also to me last week (not during the EE program), where strong (energising) feelings occurred, just to be alive.
 
Puzzle said:
Thanks Oxajil! :)

I'll of course remain vigilant and, as I said, keep working on networking more, so I can see myself and thus the relationship more clearly.

By the way, an off-topic, it's really interesting that it's you replying to my post. Maybe or probably it's just projection, but I feel connected to you in some way. (If this is in any way inappropriate, mods, please let me know.)
Plus, I had a dream recently where I was in great danger and I fled and eventually it was you showing me the way out and leading me to a school.
I think this has to do with this very specific atmosphere/energy you seem to emanate; it strucks a chord with me - thus, it seems I have such an aspect inside of me, too; leading to an "inner Oxajil" symbol, showing me the way out of danger.

But as I said, it's puzzle pieces only and a long long journey of discovery. :)

Interesting Puzzle, I also feel some kind of connection with you. The journey goes on... :)
 
Gawan said:
I liked to write the same: to keep on networking and maybe as well writing a diary and the last thing: also to get more knowledge: forum, books etc. Maybe also rereading some parts of "Unholy hungers" from Barbara Hort may help to get an outside view on your situation as well.


You're right, Gawan. My diary is existing, but too often not used - mostly because it's so much to write to keep track of everything, that I postpone it.. and then new things have occured, and the load keeps piling up.
More knowledge is another thing. I've many times experienced this feeling truth seeker described as a result of EE, that there's some pressure in the region of the third eye and that she's seen vanish when she accumulated more knowledge - gotta keep working on this as well.
And I have started to re-read Unholy Hungers - how much I have forgotten or missed the first time I read it! And it pretty instantly helped me with my recapitulation concerning my own vampire theme. Maybe I'm gonna bring it to the group some day, but I don't know yet, it's pretty ugly.


Gawan said:
puzzle said:
Because for some reason I have had occasional images of experiencing his death - and this again ties in to this pain I feel when I see a movie scene when a couple truly loving each other are being separated because someone executing the regime's will is murdering them or one of them.

But don't take it at face value, it is still imagination and maybe has something more to do with your self, that means symbolically.

I'm really curious now, Gawan: do you have any suggestions in what way this very specific feeling could be a symbol for something else? Because I currently have no clue myself.

Gawan said:
puzzle said:
I've just finished today's EE. It was such a comfort to do it. I felt such a love for you all (this group) being here, for existing!
This time, while breathing, all that was going on in my mind was being reminded of the need to network more. I have quite some topics to ask for feedback on, but somehow I've been postponing all this while.

Something similar happened also to me last week (not during the EE program), where strong (energising) feelings occurred, just to be alive.


It's a really empowering feeling, isn't it? :) (If only it could be a constant one..)
 
Puzzle said:
Gawan said:
puzzle said:
Because for some reason I have had occasional images of experiencing his death - and this again ties in to this pain I feel when I see a movie scene when a couple truly loving each other are being separated because someone executing the regime's will is murdering them or one of them.

But don't take it at face value, it is still imagination and maybe has something more to do with your self, that means symbolically.

I'm really curious now, Gawan: do you have any suggestions in what way this very specific feeling could be a symbol for something else? Because I currently have no clue myself.

I can only write the first impression I got: fear and fear of loosing something.
And does your own behaviour change according to these images?


puzzle said:
Maybe I'm gonna bring it to the group some day, but I don't know yet, it's pretty ugly

Sometimes it helps also, to write it off-line and maybe to imagine if you're are planning to post it on the forum, to write it in a very clear way so that others could understand you.

puzzle said:
It's a really empowering feeling, isn't it? :) (If only it could be a constant one..)


It is, you are right. :)
 
Gawan said:
Puzzle said:
Gawan said:
puzzle said:
Because for some reason I have had occasional images of experiencing his death - and this again ties in to this pain I feel when I see a movie scene when a couple truly loving each other are being separated because someone executing the regime's will is murdering them or one of them.

But don't take it at face value, it is still imagination and maybe has something more to do with your self, that means symbolically.

I'm really curious now, Gawan: do you have any suggestions in what way this very specific feeling could be a symbol for something else? Because I currently have no clue myself.

I can only write the first impression I got: fear and fear of loosing something.
And does your own behaviour change according to these images?


Yes, definitely the fear of losing something. But losing what, exactly? If I speculate I'm dealing with true love, then eventually I won't lose it, as true love reaches beyond the physical, thus there can be no fear of losing it. The fear is only the human's fear, trapped within its 3D linear thinking.
I wonder whether this fear could be nothing but the predator's fear of losing its food source. I really hope this is not the case, but I need to find out. On a first guess I really don't think so, because I doubt that the false I/predator can have such immense and deep reaching feelings which bring about a feeling of cleansing when they are shared with the beloved.

I must admit that indeed my imagination is being triggered by this specific type of pain/fear of loss, because it stands in the context of 'losing my beloved because of someone executing the regime's will is murdering him or both of us". Isn't it a somewhat deep and tragic story, and especially if it was a former life of mine? How much pain! How much drama! How much grandiosity! Definitely something to follow further as a clue to the set-up of my machine's self-image.

As to whether it changes my behaviour, hm. The main theme of 'losing my beloved through death' is that because of some outside evil force the partners have no opportunity any longer to share their love, to grow with each other and through walking the path of life together. The execution ends this love in its earthly form and all opportunities are taken away. Just like that.
So what this theme does, within the context of my tendency to withdraw and build walls around me so nobody can reach me, is to kind of emphasize the importance to let my defensive walls fall down and open up - because without me taking this step toward the other, nothing can be attained together in terms of mutual learning and growing. But I wouldn't say it has changed my behaviour already. It really is a slow and strenuous process with a lot of relapses.


Gawan said:
puzzle said:
Maybe I'm gonna bring it to the group some day, but I don't know yet, it's pretty ugly

Sometimes it helps also, to write it off-line and maybe to imagine if you're are planning to post it on the forum, to write it in a very clear way so that others could understand you.

Yes, I've done that a few times already - but then when I don't post it, it's like something is missing, which is the objective feedback on my thoughts in recapitulation. The really ugly topics are a hard one to share and I haven't seen anybody do that here yet; as if everybody's working with the really dark sides of their machines for themselves - or this is my own inner judge, judging myself too heavily, not entirely sure.
 
Puzzle said:
Puzzle said:
Yes, definitely the fear of losing something. But losing what, exactly? If I speculate I'm dealing with true love, then eventually I won't lose it, as true love reaches beyond the physical, thus there can be no fear of losing it. The fear is only the human's fear, trapped within its 3D linear thinking.
I wonder whether this fear could be nothing but the predator's fear of losing its food source. I really hope this is not the case, but I need to find out. On a first guess I really don't think so, because I doubt that the false I/predator can have such immense and deep reaching feelings which bring about a feeling of cleansing when they are shared with the beloved.

If this is the case, I would guess that it's the networking aspect that clears the air. This is another result of networking and why it's so valuable. You may also notice a change now that you've share this information here. :)

Another thought I had in addition to you having a fear of change/death/loss is that there may be a past life experience element to it. Do you find that you have resonated or have been interested in any specific period of time in history?
 
truth seeker said:
Puzzle said:
Yes, definitely the fear of losing something. But losing what, exactly? If I speculate I'm dealing with true love, then eventually I won't lose it, as true love reaches beyond the physical, thus there can be no fear of losing it. The fear is only the human's fear, trapped within its 3D linear thinking.
I wonder whether this fear could be nothing but the predator's fear of losing its food source. I really hope this is not the case, but I need to find out. On a first guess I really don't think so, because I doubt that the false I/predator can have such immense and deep reaching feelings which bring about a feeling of cleansing when they are shared with the beloved.

If this is the case, I would guess that it's the networking aspect that clears the air. This is another result of networking and why it's so valuable. You may also notice a change now that you've share this information here. :)

I definitely do notice a change now that I've networked about it :) - I'm not yet sure what exactly, but most definitely the courage to show more of myself, no matter what may be revealed about my false I. It's mostly self-importance and a paranoia program. Also the predator's fear to be exposed, entangled with the fear of not deserving to be loved if the predator's uglieness is out in the open.

truth seeker said:
Another thought I had in addition to you having a fear of change/death/loss is that there may be a past life experience element to it. Do you find that you have resonated or have been interested in any specific period of time in history?


Yes, in my teens and early twens I was extremely into the history of African American slaves and their fates. I felt very connected to them. I was reading lots of books regarding this topic and also had a long period of hanging out with African people, among whom I felt strangely at home. And I was extremely identified with that struggle of blacks fighting for their equality.

I once did a regression via a CD attached to a book on past lives (not saying I believe what I saw) and I saw me as a black man working in the fields, having a wife and a son, both of whom died before me. I had been cheating on my wife constantly, although I loved her, and when she died I was a broken man, and the last scene of that life was me on a porch sitting in a rocking chair, being lonely, bitter and depressed.
But EE hasn't brought up any images of what could be considered from possible past lives, except for one scene where I -as a man- was with others working on stones in a cave, as in art or something along these lines.
Well, time and digging will show.
 
Jerry said:
The Round Breathing stops my inner dialogue. Does this happen to anyone else?

Now that you mention it, this happens to me too. This is when I usually begin to zone.
 
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