Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Seamus]

"I" lost my mp3 player recently, making difficult to do the whole EE sequence. I have continued with POTS before sleep every night and have tried a few 3 stage breathing sessions on my own, without the audio and both have gone well, so in a way losing the mp3 player was a positive thing because it forced me to remember the process on my own. I have not been practicing Beatha and round breathing however, so I ordered a new mp3 player so that I can start those sessions again.

I think I was reciting POTS in a mechanical way recently. I read through the thread on Praying a couple of days ago and several of the posts toward the end really made me think about this. The last few nights I have been focusing on really thinking about what the words mean to me, rather than just speaking them. The night before last I took a bath before bedtime with epsom salts and I decided to try to ask for help figuring out what my purpose in life is after pipe breathing and POTS. I had a really interesting experience of two people in my head. One was "asking" in a way that sounded just like commanding, and the other kept gently stopping the first, without words saying "thats a command". This went on for a while until I fell asleep. I'm not sure if my description makes much sense, it was a confusing experience.

Hi Seamas

This excerpt from the Wave Series may be of use...

June 9, 1996

Q: (L) Al-‘Arabi describes unified thought forms as being the “Names of God.” His explication seems to be so identical to things you tell us that I wonder…

A: We are all the names of God. Remember, this is a conduit. This means that both termination/origination points are of equal value, importance.

Q: (L) What do you mean? Does this mean that we are a part of this?

A: Yes. Don’t deify us. And, be sure all others with which you communicate understand this too!

Q: (L) What quality in us, what thing, enabled us to make contact. Because, obviously a lot of people try and get garbage.

A: You asked.

Q: (L) A lot of people ask!

A: No they don’t, they command.

Q: (L) Well, a lot of people do ask or beg or plead, but they get all discombobulated with the answers.

A: No, they command. Think about it. You did not beg or plead… that is commanding.

Hi Redfox,

Thanks for your reply, this is an important excerpt. I've read it before, and I had the concept of asking vs commanding in mind that evening when I decided to try to ask for help, but I haven't read it in a while. One of the things that was so interesting about the whole experience is that the "asking" I mentioned in my other post quickly turned into begging, pleading, whining, YELLING in my head, like a child throwing a temper tantrum. I'm not sure I know the difference between asking and commanding, or how to ask for help rather than demanding it, and I guess that is the point.

Perhaps the first part of the excerpt is a clue. "We are all the names of God... Don't deify us". This reminds me of The First Initiation:

You have no measure with which to measure yourselves. You live exclusively according to “I like” or “I don’t like,” you have no appreciation except for yourself. You recognize nothing above you—theoretically, logically, perhaps, but actually no. That is why you are demanding and continue to believe that everything is cheap and that you have enough in your pocket to buy everything you like. You recognize nothing above you, either outside yourself or inside.

[...]

Today we have nothing but the illusion of what we are. We think too highly of ourselves. We do not respect ourselves. In order to respect myself, I have to recognize a part in myself which is above the other parts, and my attitude toward this part should bear witness to the respect that I have for it. In this way I shall respect myself. And my relations with others will be governed by the same respect.

So in order to truly ask, in order to truly respect someone else, I have to develop respect for myself first? Its a little counterintuitive for me, but I'm trying to understand it. Maybe its one of those things the false self refuses to look at, because I feel like I'm chasing my own tail trying to think about it.

So I think too highly of myself, and by doing so I am disrespecting my true nature. In the same way I project this onto others (C's, DCM, other forum members and people). I cannot truly respect them because I place myself above all else. I don't recognize, as the C's say, "both termination/origination points are of equal value, importance". Rather than respectfully asking for help as if from an equal, I demand it because I recognize nothing above me. Does this make sense, or am I way off base here?

It also reminds me of something Anart told me over a year ago:

you're impatient and, in some ways, demanding. You want results - and now.

Demanding attention and "help" and energy, instead of asking respectfully. FWIW I think this is right on... although it took me a year to admit it to myself and here.

 

[RedFox]

So in order to truly ask, in order to truly respect someone else, I have to develop respect for myself first? Its a little counterintuitive for me, but I'm trying to understand it. Maybe its one of those things the false self refuses to look at, because I feel like I'm chasing my own tail trying to think about it.

Its all about not anticipating a result to the 'asking'. If you expect a result, feel you deserve a result, or are anticipating a specific type of result.....you are 'raping the maiden of the well'

http://www.cassiopaea.org/2010/05/18/the-wave-chapter-24-lucifer-and-the-pot-of-gold-or-the-quest-for-the-holy-grail-of-no-anticipation/

In the prologue to Chrétien de Troyes’ romance on Perceval, Le Conte du Graal, we are informed that there was once a paradise on Earth. There were two aspects of reality: an inner and an outer nature. Events took place not only in a real location in the material world; they also simultaneously had an existence at another level of being, a realm of archetypes. The everyday world and the twin otherworld were twin universes running parallel to one another.

In this paradise, maidens lived by sacred grottos, wells and springs. It was at these points that the two worlds were believed to meet, overlap, or bridge; that one could cross over to the other side. This is a symbol of the feminine potential, or the functions of the right hemisphere of the brain.

The Maidens of the Sacred Wells would feed wanderers and travelers from golden bowls and cups. This symbolized the creative potential of the right hemisphere, and that it was through this wellspring of creativity that one could literally create reality and all that was needed – plenitude, abundance.

The maidens served all wayfarers and the realm was at peace and fertile until one day an evil king, Amangons, ravished one of the maidens, held her in captivity and stole her sacred bowl. Amangons’ followers took example from their king and began finding and raping the well maidens. Soon, there were no maidens serving at the wells. From that time onward, earth was the wasteland. The wells and waters dried up and the land became infertile. The barren wasteland was the condition of the loss of contact with the otherworld.

What is wrong with efforts to send love and light, the achieving of the goals of world peace or personal prosperity? What is wrong with wanting a return to God, or higher consciousness or any of the touted experiences that are guaranteed to initiate a person to whatever they desire? The problem is anticipation. When you seek any of these things by holding the thoughts in the left-brain in anticipation of making it real, you are raping the maiden of the well.

What if you are just trying to believe it is now? Belief is a function of the left brain; it blocks the manifestation of creativity because the creative right brain is also the empirical half of the brain that observes the dichotomy between the belief and the reality.

Desire is anticipation. Anticipation is read by the right brain as in the future, therefore not right now, and the right brain can only create now. When we desire, we have a future object in mind. The right brain only knows now.

If we desire to love God, we have a concept (left brain) of the future goal of loving God. It can’t exist now. Therefore we experience struggle to constantly love God, against the ongoing now of not loving God.

If we desire to win the lottery, and produce in the left brain future image of money flowing into our life, it isn’t now. So now continues moneyless.

If we desire happiness, and create the concept in the left brain, we have future happiness in mind. And the right brain reads it as unhappiness now, and this can manifest in thousands of unhappy experiences.

By the same token, if we send love and light to any directed recipient, we are holding a concept of future fixing that signals a state of brokenness now to our right brain, and the repercussions are felt in our life. In a larger sense, we may be signaling the collective right brain that a future state of peace is desired, and therefore, now is not peaceful. And so the right brain creates now. The perception of linear time constantly projects rewards into the future, blocking access to the present, like a donkey chasing a carrot for all eternity.

The same goes for 'desiring' help....(or feeling you 'deserve' to be helped....this 'deserve' comes from being narcisistically wounded).

Q: (L) If someone wanted to win the lottery, for example, what would be the correct approach? What should they do, or be, or think, or say?

A: Completely pure intent, i.e., open. Nonanticipatory.

Q: (L) Anticipation constricts the channels of creativity?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) A person has to be completely uncaring whether they get it or not, so to speak?

A: Happy-go-lucky attitude helps.

Q: (L) So, worry, tension, anticipation, and attachment to the idea, we constricts the flow?

A: Yes.

But you noticed, I hope, that intent is not considered to be anticipation or desire. The words themselves may provide a clue.

Anticipate: ante – before + capare – to take. To look forward to; to expect; to make happen earlier, precipitate; to foresee and perform in advance, etc.

We see clearly the connection between anticipation and time.

Intent: firmly directed or fixed; having the mind or attention firmly directed or fixed; engrossed; strongly resolved; a purpose or objective; will and determination at the time of performing an act.

Do we see a subtle difference? Even if it is somewhat semantically, it is sufficient to make us think about how to deal with our creative potential.

Of course, we see that completely pure intent is a pretty tall order. Thus we see that the key becomes acting now with intent, but no imaginary anticipation for the future. A goal, with applied will of action, which necessitates left brain conscious preparing and planning, via the heightened awareness of the right brain, which deals directly with the present conditions, will result in an opening of life changing creative potential.

I came to an understanding of this a month or so ago.....an awareness that certain thoughts/beliefs would 'rape the maiden of the well'.....I could literally feel the difference. I suppose it is an awareness of what effect your inner processes are having on the inner landscape.
I realise now (after reading your quote) that this gave me a realisation that part of myself needed to be placed above all others.....because 'I' (left brain?) feel my role is to protect 'her' no matter what. It may be odd to say it, but to me it was the same disgust you feel (to see what I was doing to 'her') as you would feel realising and suddenly seeing pain being inflicted on another person.....

Now I can see it (or so I think) I do not wish to possess and control that part of me....I do not wish to anticipate or demand or manipulate or predict how things will go (internally).
What I can say about being aware of this is that each mode has a certain feel to it (and their are shades as things overlap a little)...but mostly it is either a closed feeling or an open feeling. A feeling of constriction or a feeling of expansion. A feeling of 'lack' or a feeling of 'abundance'. A feeling of internal violation/manipulation or a feeling of internal co-operation/protection.

Its probably best to read that entire chapter again even if you haven't read it....and then try and think about how you limit yourself, and what that feels like (anxiety? stress? constriction? pressure?).....I'm pretty sure that black and white thinking/narcissistic thinking/pathological thinking are all elements of the mode of thinking that go with 'raping the maiden of the well'. fwiw

An interesting effect I've noticed since then is the things I am learning and understanding has multiplied exponentially.....that and I am more at ease with myself as I am than I think I've ever been in my life.

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[Infiniteness]

Yesterdays EE experience was rather interesting so I would like to share.

When I started doing the round breathing the usual white/purple lights took over my vision. After a couple of minutes the lights become a big blob and I started to see shapes in it. I started to focus on the shapes and after a while I could clearly make them out, they were images of some type of creatures face. The facial expressions of the faces looked negative, as if they were mugging. A few minutes later I started doing the warriors breath and the images went away. I think what I saw is most likely some type of hallucination maybe? Maybe due to chemical brain imbalances.

(I did some research and found that Closed-eye hallucinations sounded similar to what Ive experienced. Can this also explain what many other forum members are seeing? Then again I dont know accurate the info is.
Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination)

During the Ba Ha portion I zoned out for a little while.

While doing the meditation part I had a few small emotional releases in the beginning. I had some of these in the past, were it feels like the emotions are trying to break loose but cant for whatever reason. Near the end it just came out, I sobbed for a good minute or two. While sobbing and I am not sure were it came from. I kept repeating this thought to the DCM,"DCM I just wanted to tell you that I love you, even if I dont know what love truly is". I think it might be my inner child trying to express itself. None the less, a interesting session.

 

[RedFox]

The facial expressions of the faces looked negative, as if they were mugging. A few minutes later I started doing the warriors breath and the images went away. I think what I saw is most likely some type of hallucination maybe? Maybe due to chemical brain imbalances.

Hi Infiniteness

These types of visions are quite normal and many people have reported them (including Laura) as part of the program.
Laura suggested that should you see any lights in the meditation part to try and 'hold onto them' and expand them/focus on them. fwiw


I have a question regarding the POTS section of the program....I do the pipe breathing up until the POTS starts, then I switch to normal breathing (i.e. not pipe breathing) in through the nose and out through the mouth.....i.e. 'Oh devine cosmic mind' - breath in through the nose....'Holy awareness in all creation' - breath out through the mouth...etc

Should I be trying to pipe breath at this point?? I've tried it a few times and am unable to get the timing right...the phrases are too quick.

It feels like something is missing....but perhaps that's just me?

 

[Jacques]

I have a question regarding the POTS section of the program....I do the pipe breathing up until the POTS starts, then I switch to normal breathing (i.e. not pipe breathing) in through the nose and out through the mouth.....i.e. 'Oh devine cosmic mind' - breath in through the nose....'Holy awareness in all creation' - breath out through the mouth...etc

Should I be trying to pipe breath at this point?? I've tried it a few times and am unable to get the timing right...the phrases are too quick.

It feels like something is missing....but perhaps that's just me?

To my understanding, at that point you can breathe the way you are most comfortable but still breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth.

 

[Iron]

Since I resumed the bioenergetic breathing part, Im having dreams with my father, were I defend other people from him acting violent.

A question, during 3 stage breathing, in the second stage you are supposed to expand the chest with air first or let the abdomen distend then expand the chest?
Or just Bring the air to the chest and keep the abdomen still?

 

[RedFox]

Since I resumed the bioenergetic breathing part, Im having dreams with my father, were I defend other people from him acting violent.

A question, during 3 stage breathing, in the second stage you are supposed to expand the chest with air first or let the abdomen distend then expand the chest?
Or just Bring the air to the chest and keep the abdomen still?

Always breath with your belly. Your abdomen should move out when you breath in, and move in when you breath out....
I know what you mean about stage 2 and 3 though....what I tend to do is breath in with counts 1 to 3 with my belly (until it is full) and then breath in from count 4 to 6 with the rest of my chest.
So as you say, let the abdomen distend then expand the chest.

 

[Iron]

Yeah, this is actually what I do.
I ask because I was showing someone how to do three stage breathing to manage stress, and wanted to be sure.
Its a person who cant read english, nevertheless I pointed her to the video on the EE website.

Always breath with your belly. Your abdomen should move out when you breath in, and move in when you breath out....
I know what you mean about stage 2 and 3 though....what I tend to do is breath in with counts 1 to 3 with my belly (until it is full) and then breath in from count 4 to 6 with the rest of my chest.
So as you say, let the abdomen distend then expand the chest.

 

[herondancer]

Hi Iron,

It might help to think that the sequence is always bottom, middle, top (abdomen, chest, upper chest under the collar bones). Then you break down the count as aragorn does, changing it as you go through the stages:

1. six counts all into the abdomen
2. three counts to the abdomen, three counts to chest
3. two counts to the abodomen, two counts to the chest, two counts to the upper chest

FWIW, I also pay attention to the sequence of exhaling, collapsing the abdomen, then the chest, then the upper chest. The main muscles for exhalation are down around the bottom of the ribs and lower back. In classes, we've compared in to squeezing a tube of toothpaste. If you squeeze the tube near the top, you don't get much out. If you start at the bottom, and go slowly, you get it all. This image seems to help when people huff all their air out at once, and can't extend the exhale for the entire count.

Hope that helps

Herondancer

 

[mada85]

Thanks for your reply, this is an important excerpt. I've read it before, and I had the concept of asking vs commanding in mind that evening when I decided to try to ask for help, but I haven't read it in a while. One of the things that was so interesting about the whole experience is that the "asking" I mentioned in my other post quickly turned into begging, pleading, whining, YELLING in my head, like a child throwing a temper tantrum. I'm not sure I know the difference between asking and commanding, or how to ask for help rather than demanding it, and I guess that is the point.

That's really interesting, Seamas. I have noticed the same thing in myself. It is all too easy to demand from the DCM while reciting the POTS. Because of this I started to consciously look to see whether I was asking or demanding.

What helps me to stop demanding is to consider questions like: Why should the DCM notice me? Why should DCM give those things to me that I have demanded? Do I do anything that would bring me to the attention of the DCM? Am I worthy of the DCM's attention?

I try to think of parallels between my ordinary life and the DCM. For example, how do I feel when someone demands something from me? Do I want to give it to them? The answer is no, because I feel that the demand is a kind of violation. If a person asks for something with a little respect and sincerity, I want to give because I can see their need, and their asking leaves open the possibility for me to refuse.

A demand does not respect free will. It is a kind of violation, because respect for free will, and for the other, is not present. And if that is the case for me, a small 3D being, I imagine that the DCM has a similar response. After all, the DCM is the 'Holy awareness in all creation, carried in the heart . . . '.

I too noticed that the demanding voice is that of a child, a child full of his own self-importance. It is perfectly described in the first paragraph of The First Initiation:

You will see that in life you get back exactly what you put in. Your life is the mirror of what you are, it is your image. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take all, you accept all, without ever feeling indebted. Your attitude towards the world and towards life is the attitude of one who has the right to demand and take. Of one who doesn't need to pay or gain. You believe that all things are due to you, only because it's you! All your blindness is there. It doesn't catch your attention. It is however what, in you, separates a world from another.

But there is hope, IMHO. Bringing this demanding self-important inner child into consciousness lessens its hold over me, and to deprive it of energy, and so helps me to have a glimpse of real asking.

 

[T.C.]

I have a question regarding the POTS section of the program....I do the pipe breathing up until the POTS starts, then I switch to normal breathing (i.e. not pipe breathing) in through the nose and out through the mouth.....i.e. 'Oh devine cosmic mind' - breath in through the nose....'Holy awareness in all creation' - breath out through the mouth...etc

I used to carry on pipe breathing for a while after the pots had started, but I now switch to normal breathing at that point, like you. I like to do that because I'm usually so relaxed by that point that I don't feel the need to pipe breath, plus, when I start breathing normally I can try to focus 100% on the words of the prayer and their meaning.

 

[Alana]

But there is hope, IMHO. Bringing this demanding self-important inner child into consciousness lessens its hold over me, and to deprive it of energy, and so helps me to have a glimpse of real asking.

Perhaps depriving the child you the energy it needed to grow and mature naturally was what left it a child and a demanding child in you? And if that's the case, maybe giving it the attention it needs yourself so that the child one does not demand it from outside of you, is what will nurture it and help it grow to maturity?

I am reminded of another part from the First Initiation here:

You must understand that all the other measures - talent, education, culture, genius - are changing measures, measures of detail. The only exact measure, the only unchanging, objective real measure is the measure of inner vision. I see - I see myself - by this, you have measured. With one higher real part, you have measured another lower part, also real. And this measure, defining by itself the role of each part, will lead you to respect for yourself.

And I am asking because i am not sure whether you meant "deprive it of energy" the way i understood it, Endymion. Let me know if i misunderstood.

 

[Iron]

Hi Iron,

It might help to think that the sequence is always bottom, middle, top (abdomen, chest, upper chest under the collar bones). Then you break down the count as aragorn does, changing it as you go through the stages:

1. six counts all into the abdomen
2. three counts to the abdomen, three counts to chest
3. two counts to the abodomen, two counts to the chest, two counts to the upper chest

FWIW, I also pay attention to the sequence of exhaling, collapsing the abdomen, then the chest, then the upper chest. The main muscles for exhalation are down around the bottom of the ribs and lower back. In classes, we've compared in to squeezing a tube of toothpaste. If you squeeze the tube near the top, you don't get much out. If you start at the bottom, and go slowly, you get it all. This image seems to help when people huff all their air out at once, and can't extend the exhale for the entire count.

Hope that helps

Herondancer

Yes it does help, thank you!
Its exactly how I do exhale, but it gives a clear picture to repass to other people.
I do it by practice, since this is the way I learned back when I did quigong as part of kung fu practice, but never payed extra attention to it.

In the second and third stage I just relax the abdomen and let the air go inside, it naturally goes into the abs then into the chest and if I keep on inhaling, to the upper chest.
So I end up doing longer counts of inhaling and exhaling for the second and third parts most of the time.

Once again thanks!

 

[Graalsword]

I've been doing EE for the last month and a half or two. It really works and there are real results!

As I said in this post: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19825.msg195626#msg195626

Although I did it for the first time last year, I began to do it frecuently as recommended, only the last month and a half, all mondays and thursday the complete EE, and all nights the POTS and the meditation. After bad experiences with the new age about 8 to 10 years ago, I had never done meditation again. Boyond my expectations, EE helped process and put int he surface emotional blocks and other stuff that was stuck inside. There was the experience of seeing colours, sudden weeping, and realizing things during the meditation portion as well as in the following hours or even days. Sometimes it was weeping, with all negative emotions, and at the same time a big feel of joy.


One of the first things I had, during the meditation, was a kind of "vision" or perception (rather than vision) of myself being beaten and submited to programs related to my relationship with women (in the sense of dating, not friendship nor acquaintance), a kind of image of a woman (I guess not a representation of a real one, but symbolic of programs within me and my projection to certain ones I dated, due to those programs) having me with my head down, on a chair. And this took my attention, energy and time from soul progress.

In another occation emotions related to psychologically being beaten down and devalued by others, such as parents, peers, etc..

As well as those related to bad relationship with parents. [...]

The zoning out thing happens in some occations, mostly during meditation and/or POTS. Sudden realizations mostly during BA-HA and POTS/Meditation. Same with sudden weeping, which happens sometimes during BA-HA breathing and other times during POTS and meditation; as well as minutes later, hours later or even days later.

Sometimes I do meditation without any specific idea in mind, and sometimes I keep in mind programs and problems and struggles I have in my life, blocks, etc.. From it came realizations and release of old emotional stuff.

I have experienced during BA-HA, a kind knot in my throat, somewhat suffocating, which only was released after weeping. During meditation (after POTS) I did the experiment of observing "myself", that is my personality, my programs, emotions, thoughts, from the "outside", or shall I better say from the inside... With the intention to viscerally understand that they are not the Real I, they're not me. In such case, there was also release of emotions through weeping, laughing, and not in the moment, but much later, and increase in capability to be empathical and considerate with others. This is such a different thing than the low feeling of pity, and how different you begin to see others and the world around you as a result. When this happens, I have the impression of going back to some forgotten area of my life, it is hard to explain

Added later: Also sometimes I can't avoid swallowing, because there is saliva or mucosity, the latter I think could be solved when I do dietary changes. The fisrt one, I don0t know, I know from the FAQ, that it has to be with suppressing emotions that appear. But sometimes I can't avoid swallowing so that I don't choke

 

[Nienna]

Added later: Also sometimes I can't avoid swallowing, because there is saliva or mucosity, the latter I think could be solved when I do dietary changes. The fisrt one, I don0t know, I know from the FAQ, that it has to be with suppressing emotions that appear. But sometimes I can't avoid swallowing so that I don't choke

It seems that you are getting rid of a lot of emotional baggage Graalsword. You are going to start feeling "lighter" and have a whole new outlook on things, as you have already been noticing. But others will start to notice this new change in you, too, or so I think. :)

During the meditations, or any part of the exercises, if you have to swallow, do so. If you have to scratch an area or clear your throat, do so. Get it over with so that it is not distracting you. I've found that after doing these exercises for some time, this all slows down or stops. It is just another thing that your body has to get out of its system. So don't be overly concerned about these things. Just do what you need to do to be comfortable.