Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Shane said:
Tonight during beatha, instead of picturing breathing in what is good for my life, I pictured breathing in what is good for a new and more creative world, and exhaled all the feelings and senses I get from the control system that keep people locked in suffering. I guess it was an attempt at breathing for others.

That's kind of a neat idea, Shane -- I think I'll try it when I do E/E myself in just a little bit.
 
Shane said:
Tonight during beatha, instead of picturing breathing in what is good for my life, I pictured breathing in what is good for a new and more creative world, and exhaled all the feelings and senses I get from the control system that keep people locked in suffering. I guess it was an attempt at breathing for others.

I tend to take it in, in the introduction to the breathing, that this is about breathing in life and breathing out everything that is not serving me anymore, but during the Beatha portion itself, I rarely have many thoughts other than staying present with the in and out of the breath. I tend to think that the intro to the Beatha speaks to the subconscious mind, where the message sinks in. (I can see that there is an emoticon missing that depicts breathing ;) )
 
Aeneas said:
...during the Beatha portion itself, I rarely have many thoughts other than staying present with the in and out of the breath. I tend to think that the intro to the Beatha speaks to the subconscious mind, where the message sinks in.

I visualise staying calm, aware and in the present during the Beatha portion as well. I sometimes visualise 'riding the wave', staying calm, no matter what the rhythm/speed of the Ba-Ha breath. I imagine being bombarded with changing frequencies and having the will and strength to not be pulled under by the intensity. There could very well be a message and not just the intro, but the entire thing! It would be interesting to know how Laura determined the pace and length of each breath. Or maybe, as Ark says, it was just random. :P

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(I can see that there is an emoticon missing that depicts breathing ;) )
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:whistle: This little guy comes pretty close to an exhale, don't ya think?
 
Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?
 
Lilou said:
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(I can see that there is an emoticon missing that depicts breathing ;) )

:whistle: This little guy comes pretty close to an exhale, don't ya think?
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Thanks Lilou :whistle: How could I have missed that :huh:
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?

Actually no... it puts me to sleep. :D That's why I do the pipe breathing and POTS right before bed. I have trouble sleeping and staying asleep, and if I'm wide awake and can't fall asleep, usually a round of PB and POTS will have me yawning and zoning out enough so that I can roll over and fall asleep after I hear "Divine Cosmic Mind, Bless You All."
 
Mrs. Peel said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?

Actually no... it puts me to sleep. :D That's why I do the pipe breathing and POTS right before bed. I have trouble sleeping and staying asleep, and if I'm wide awake and can't fall asleep, usually a round of PB and POTS will have me yawning and zoning out enough so that I can roll over and fall asleep after I hear "Devine Cosmic Mind, Bless You All."

Same here, it puts me into a nice, deep sleep! The BaHa before the POTS makes my mind all clear and makes me concentrate better, so with me it's the other way around. When I lay down then (after 3stagebr. warriors breath and baha), there is such clarity and I can do the meditation so much better. I never did only the BaHa and meditation though. I also feel like pipe breathing before doing the meditation alone helps me with the concentration and relaxation (of course) too. Fwiw.

To Mrs. Tigersoap: I think you're doing the BaHa too late in the evening? What moment of the day is the most energizing to you?
And have you ever tried doing the BaHa with the same ''spirit'' as you do the Warrior's Breath? (if that makes sense)
 
Oxajil said:
Mrs. Peel said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?

Actually no... it puts me to sleep. :D That's why I do the pipe breathing and POTS right before bed. I have trouble sleeping and staying asleep, and if I'm wide awake and can't fall asleep, usually a round of PB and POTS will have me yawning and zoning out enough so that I can roll over and fall asleep after I hear "Devine Cosmic Mind, Bless You All."

Same here, it puts me into a nice, deep sleep! The BaHa before the POTS makes my mind all clear and makes me concentrate better, so with me it's the other way around. When I lay down then (after 3stagebr. warriors breath and baha), there is such clarity and I can do the meditation so much better. I never did only the BaHa and meditation though. I also feel like pipe breathing before doing the meditation alone helps me with the concentration and relaxation (of course) too. Fwiw.

For me it's more like for Mrs. Tigersoap.
Yes, Beatha clears my mind and really relaxes my body but, suppose there are some emotional stuff stirred up inside during Beatha, afterwards I have difficulty concentrating properly on POTS. It seems like my mind is processing that stirred up emotional stuff instead of meditating, concentrating and following POTS.
If full EE is done late in the evening, I end up lying in bed for couple of hours before I finally fall asleep.
Because of the same reasons I avoid doing lot of PBs, before POTS, before going to bed. If I anyway do, what happens is kinda funny. With one part of my mind I recite POTS in my head and other one, much louder and noisier part, ends up racing all over things, places, events...

Oxajil said:
To Mrs. Tigersoap: I think you're doing the BaHa too late in the evening? What moment of the day is the most energizing to you?
And have you ever tried doing the BaHa with the same ''spirit'' as you do the Warrior's Breath? (if that makes sense)

Could you explain a little bit more on that "spirit" thing?
I have a feeling that's the problem with my mind-racing during POTS... I suppose I'm not being in the right "mode" for meditation when it happens that my mind goes jumping around while doing it.
On the other hand there are times when it just flows easily with POTS, so there is something that makes a difference... :-[
 
Sasha said:
For me it's more like for Mrs. Tigersoap.
Yes, Beatha clears my mind and really relaxes my body but, suppose there are some emotional stuff stirred up inside during Beatha, afterwards I have difficulty concentrating properly on POTS. It seems like my mind is processing that stirred up emotional stuff instead of meditating, concentrating and following POTS.

That's fine and natural. I think that the POTS certainly has an effect on someone, whether they concentrate on the words or not. I have had emotional releases during the BaHa as well and then I just usually start to go into a foetus position and keep on processing the emotional stuff like you say, while listening to the POTS in the background (or the rest of the BaHa). But I also have had BaHa sessions that were very energizing and relaxing. After these kind of BaHa sessions I could actively and better concentrate on the POTS.

Everyone's unique and might react differently.

Sasha said:
Could you explain a little bit more on that "spirit" thing?

Just before you do the Warrior's Breath, when you put your arms and hands ready to start, how do you feel?

Sasha said:
I have a feeling that's the problem with my mind-racing during POTS... I suppose I'm not being in the right "mode" for meditation when it happens that my mind goes jumping around while doing it.
On the other hand there are times when it just flows easily with POTS, so there is something that makes a difference... :-[

How do you feel doing the BaHa (when you don't have an emotional release)?
 
I once did the whole program twice in a row PLUS the BaHa portion, and I enjoyed it very much! I guess it could depend on your attitude as well, are you lazy? are you tired? are you not really feeling it? are you just doing it cause you gotta do it?

Or are you energized? Do you love doing it? Do you really want to BREATH Life IN? and BREATH Garbage OUT? Are you serious about it? Will you put effort in it when you breath in and out? Do you think it's fun to do too?

Try to change your attitude. People love the Warrior's Breath (I think) because it's so active! If you can try to do the BaHa with that same active mind or spirit, then maybe you'll experience the BaHa differently. Playing with it could be fun!

For what it's worth! Just my thoughts...
 
Mrs. Peel said:
That's why I do the pipe breathing and POTS right before bed

Yes, when I only do the pipe breathing and POTS at night, I also get sleepy. 'Trouble' (if I may say) begins when I do the whole program, especially the beatha portion followed by the POTS. Then I just feel like jumping around, I'm full of energy and have trouble concentrating. Like Sasha, I end up lying in bed for hours before falling asleep. So for me, doing the full program can only be done during the day.


Mrs. Peel said:
I have trouble sleeping and staying asleep, and if I'm wide awake and can't fall asleep, usually a round of PB and POTS will have me yawning and zoning out

My husband Tigersoap does that as well: as soon as the words 'oh divine cosmic mind' are uttered, he's gone! I know everybody is different, but I must admit I am a bit envious of his ability to zone out: at least he knows something is happening (so much so that the body just 'unplugs' to let the work being done)!

Sasha said:
Yes, Beatha clears my mind and really relaxes my body but, suppose there are some emotional stuff stirred up inside during Beatha, afterwards I have difficulty concentrating properly on POTS.

I actually had not thought of that :-[. To me that makes sense. At the beginning of beatha, I feel a bit excited but relaxed, just like before the warrior's breath (answering Oxajil at the same time here :)), and during the beatha, it's calm, then intense, then calmer, etc. and I feel a bit 'knocked out', just like when you do energy work. Then when the work (or beatha) is over, boom! I'm fully awake, feel really good and I'm ready to go! Which is not at all the state of mind for the POTS. It was not like that before, so maybe I'm currently processing some sort of emotional stuff during the beatha that is different than before.

That, or my predator's mind has found yet another trick to prevent me from meditating...
 
Oxajil said:
Sasha said:
For me it's more like for Mrs. Tigersoap.
Yes, Beatha clears my mind and really relaxes my body but, suppose there are some emotional stuff stirred up inside during Beatha, afterwards I have difficulty concentrating properly on POTS. It seems like my mind is processing that stirred up emotional stuff instead of meditating, concentrating and following POTS.

That's fine and natural. I think that the POTS certainly has an effect on someone, whether they concentrate on the words or not. I have had emotional releases during the BaHa as well and then I just usually start to go into a foetus position and keep on processing the emotional stuff like you say, while listening to the POTS in the background (or the rest of the BaHa). But I also have had BaHa sessions that were very energizing and relaxing. After these kind of BaHa sessions I could actively and better concentrate on the POTS.

Everyone's unique and might react differently.

I agree with you about POTS, it has an effect on everybody.
I haven't had emotional releases during Beatha or, if I remember correctly, while doing EE. I had them afterwards, while lying and listening the meditation music, or before falling asleep or sometimes the day after. It looks like my emotional stuff is much deeply buried...

Oxajil said:
Sasha said:
Could you explain a little bit more on that "spirit" thing?
Just before you do the Warrior's Breath, when you put your arms and hands ready to start, how do you feel?

Ok, I see what you mean.
I feel determined, ready to stand up and fight for things that matter. "Like Warrior going to battle" kinda...

Oxajil said:
Sasha said:
I have a feeling that's the problem with my mind-racing during POTS... I suppose I'm not being in the right "mode" for meditation when it happens that my mind goes jumping around while doing it.
On the other hand there are times when it just flows easily with POTS, so there is something that makes a difference... :-[
How do you feel doing the BaHa?

Well, I can't really recall at the moment. :-[
Usually I'm preoccupied with breathing pattern and following it correctly.

Oh, I understand it. :grad: I should pay more attention to "sensing" decisiveness and resolution, the inner states, like in WB, while doing BaHa, and not so much hanging to external form.

Thanks Oxajil, you made a lightbulb turn on in my head. :D :flowers:
 
For me one key element is whether I am laying down for POTS. If I am, then usually I tend to zone. Before sleep at night I start to go out after 2 complete repetitions of POTS.

I've tried sitting and doing POTS w/ pipe breath before bed, and can concentrate better and do it longer (with a noticeable effect in that my head feels different) but I get too energized to fall asleep. If I lay down in bed, I go into deep and restful sleep.

The longer I have been doing the whole program, the more energetic I've gotten in doing the BaHa. I am able to do it with big full breaths and lots of energy now. I hardly ever zone during the breathing anymore. I really like to lay down for the POTS afterward, and almost always zone then. The difference between zoning and sleeping is that I always come back from zoning very alert, like hardly any time passed. I have even had the experience of 'zoning' when laying down for a short nap and doing some pipe breathing beforehand.

One other note. I have a very different rhythm for the phrases of POTS when I do it on my own, without the audio, so I only use the audio after the full session.

I love this program. I've been practicing for over a year now. I did have periods where I had to persist through some resistance to BaHa, but now I really look forward to it. The practice provides high-octane fuel for all efforts toward growing awareness.
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Yes, when I only do the pipe breathing and POTS at night, I also get sleepy. 'Trouble' (if I may say) begins when I do the whole program, especially the beatha portion followed by the POTS. Then I just feel like jumping around, I'm full of energy and have trouble concentrating. Like Sasha, I end up lying in bed for hours before falling asleep. So for me, doing the full program can only be done during the day.

That's so cute! I agree, then doing it during the day will be much better, which is what I do too. I usually do it when the sun comes up and there's sunshine coming through my window, it gives me energy!

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
My husband Tigersoap does that as well: as soon as the words 'oh divine cosmic mind' are uttered, he's gone! I know everybody is different, but I must admit I am a bit envious of his ability to zone out: at least he knows something is happening (so much so that the body just 'unplugs' to let the work being done)!

Well, maybe we let the work being done too, but differently? Otherwise I might say I envy him even more, since I've only zoned out just a couple of times, and that was when I was all tired :D!

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
It was not like that before, so maybe I'm currently processing some sort of emotional stuff during the beatha that is different than before.

How was it like before? (Sorry if I missed that and misunderstand something)

Sasha said:
I feel determined, ready to stand up and fight for things that matter. "Like Warrior going to battle" kinda...

Yes, and can you have that thought and feeling when you do the BaHa, too? The feeling of determination? Like saying BaaaaHaaaa with that determination and warrior-like spirit? Guess what you can try is to just have fun with it, see what you can do with it. But maybe that's just the way I am. I have a hard time doing something the same way all the time, I like variations :D
 
venusian said:
One other note. I have a very different rhythm for the phrases of POTS when I do it on my own, without the audio, so I only use the audio after the full session.

Not so sure what you mean with this, could you elaborate?

I think the rhythm doesn't really matter that much, as long as you know the POTS by heart :)
 
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