Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Ollie]

Much like my last post: My E-E experiences of the week indicate a quite normal pattern. Outside of the sessions, I’ve experienced a stuffy nose (primarily the right hand side – this passage is more constricted than the left due to surgery) for the past week.

One thing that was different was that I experienced a vision of an open castle gate with two knights riding out into the sun filled horizon to do battle – dragon slaying!

Regarding sleeping, I’ve noticed this week that I appear to be sleeping better and deeper (still need to visit the bathroom at frequent intervals though :)). Last night I was so relaxed that I fell asleep in my chair for most of the evening. And on Wednesday evening, after doing the three stage breathing before bed, I fell asleep as soon as I got into bed – before having time to recite PotS! These may be possible after effects of Wednesday’s hypnotherapy session.

 

[Aiming]

What once happened to my dream recall since starting EE was that I couldn't recall as much as I used to; that is, they didn't stop entirely as with Shijing, but it seems I only remembered the 'important ones'.
I was uncomfortable with that cuz it seemed to me that by losing the regular recalling even of simple processing stuff, I was losing some sort of connection - my dream 'life' has always been important to me, a connection to a more whole of myself so to speak.

Thus what I did was asking to recall all my dreams.. and then I was again beginning to recall at least most of them. Not sure whether this is a 'good' thing though, cuz the result is lots of writing in the morning. :P

But having that felt 'connection' back is comforting and it's an excellent imo mirroring of inner processings and very often gives hints to look into things I consciously do not seem to notice or do not give a similar amount of attention to it consciously as the subconscious does.

The question does arise whether I was not rather interfering with a natural occurence - perhaps it would've been just right to go with the flow and accept a phase of not recalling it all anymore, don't know, but surely something to think about/experiment with.

 

[Nienna]

I used to recall dreams fairly often, but then this stopped due to meds I think. After having done EE for a couple of months I had two vivid dreams I can remember now. One had to do with very colorful and numerous UFOs. They were flying everywhere and one in particular was coming right down to a male that was with me that I don't know what he looked like and me. Then, I woke up.

The other on was rather bizarre and was after a humorous exchange between Perceval and Galahad here on the forum.

It was set in a medieval setting where there was a grand jousting event going on. The two who were going to be jousting were Perceval and Galahad. They were there by their horses talking and laughing before their event and others were walking around. It was a beautiful sunny day. All of a sudden, behind me in the castle, you could hear a beautiful woman's voice singing. And it was moving through the castle to the doors that let out to the field that we were all in. Out of these doors came Laura on a gleaming white horse that was flying (without wings) and she was still singing.

At that point, I woke up.

There have been a couple of others, but not much. Mostly, I remember I have been dreaming, but as soon as I wake up, it's gone.

 

[Alana]

Out of these doors came Laura on a gleaming white horse that was flying (without wings) and she was still singing.

Last week i dreamed of a gleaming white horse flying without wings too, Nienna! There was noone riding it (maybe it was on its way to pick up Laura ;) ) and i was standing on a ship that was flying into the air, and was full of other people who i felt were my friends. though i didn't recognize them, nor i know where we were going.

I have always had very vivid dreams that i could remember later, but after EE was introduced into my life they became even more elaborate, sometimes as if i am watching a movie in my dreams, full of adventures. There have been recently some unpleasant ones too, some full of emotions of anger, as i mentioned back in the thread at different occasion. It is really interesting to see how each of us dream-lives were "affected" by the EE.

 

[Iron]

My dreams are mostly cathartic.
Full of reconciliations and displays of emotion... anger, sadness, grief, you name it, it has appeared on a dream of mine.
Always very intense and I actually feel like I am in the scene.

Those dreams happen mostly after bioenergetic breathing.
One thing that I noticed about Bioenergetic breathing, is that it "does his thing" even if you just breath along with the audio thinking of nothing.
This is not to say that the visualizations dont work in increasing the effectiveness, but it seems that the breathing its so powerful that you can do it going just though the motions and it still does its magic. Simply amazing.

 

[Keit]

Yep, the same here except that I do the full program usually at night. Will zone out toward the end of Beatha and then will wake up in a jolt and be awake during the prayer. I think the Beatha drifting also happens because I am lying down during the entire set. Will try this time to sit again except for the prayer and see if it helps. Oh, and I also have problem with racing thoughts during the prayer.

Yesterday did the entire program (except for the prayer) while sitting. It was intense and without any zoning out or drifting. Even had tingling, sometihng that haven't felt for a while. Looks like doing it like this puts me in a better and more concentrated mode. Also possible that it was due to the emotional release I had prior to the session, but still, looks like sitting works better for now.

As for the dream recall. Once my dreams were much more intense and vivid, and now (perhaps also after starting with EE) only from time to time I get dreams that are memorable and detailed. Most of the time the details of the dream fade away upon awakening. There is something else of notice, but it has no direct relation to EE. On several occations when I slept in different locations (my mother's or friend's house) I had either a sort of hypnagogic phenomena or really upsetting dreams. Can be due to changes in the environment or what not, including being inflamed (brain chemistry). Just found it interesting since I didn't have any dream realted hypnagogic phenomena for ages.

 

[Aiming]

Oxajil, I have to thank you for talking up about that attitude of 'spirit' while doing EE.
I realized I have been coming into a habit of doing it pretty mechanically, that is, without putting any considerable 'enthusiasm energy' into it.
Thus what I did at the last full session was to Really feel that 'spirit', lol. And you know what, it was great, intense and simply full of energy and joy, really fun, much more than usually! :) What I also did was visualizing that I was doing the breathing together with the group.. saw some of your faces, pals! :)

Once during Beatha, I thought I saw with my inner vision a butterfly..but then saw it actually was a mixture of a butterfly and a dragonfly. Interesting. What comes to mind is the effect of the wing flap of the butterfly..how tiny actions can have not so tiny effects.. As to the symbolism of the dragonfly: in the summer I had a friend visit me from overseas and a dragonfly landed on my arm shortly before meeting her. This was curious because a similar thing happened the year before and also in relation to meeting that friend. I then asked DCM what does this symbol mean? and got two words for a reply or so it seemed: Change and Renewal.

During Beatha I visualized breathing in truth as the color of light (mixed in with blue sometimes).. and breathing out the lies as a cloud of blackness. It was the first time I could hold on to visualizing such a concept during Beatha for an extended period.

What was especially curious during Beatha was that for the first time I Felt how my hemispheres are not in synch. How my left hemisphere was "taller/sharper into above" than the right hemisphere. While breathing it was as if there was some sort of adjustment going on, but not saying this is finished, lol, because when I was done with Beatha I was taking a break from the program and just feeling what was going on in my body and in me. And all I felt was that everything had been stirred up intensely and that those two hemispheres are simply not in synch.
And then, something very interesting! I suddenly understood osit what that left/right symbolism in Daniel's dream was about! It clicked. And then it dawned on me that of course, what one hasn't experienced in one's own 'being', one cannot see/recognize in another! That's why I could only see it now. Learning is so fun!

 

[RedFox]

Haven't had a chance to do the program for a while due to a cold, however doing the pipe breathing/POTS last night something crossed my mind I thought may be useful to share.

I'd stayed up late and watched the film 'extraordinary rendition'...(not that well done but conveys the torture/despair of the situation). Due to it being late and still recovering from the cold my mind went of on tangents, playing over scenes from the film and how I would have handled them differently....to my surprise I realised a lot of them where goading the captures into killing me
I stopped the thought processes and wondered why this theme was repeating.....a disconnected view of my life/death.

Dealing with my birth trauma has been on my mind, so it seems that perhaps this is related....perhaps I am disassociated from life, so death doesn't seem like such a big deal? If I am disconnected from life and my body is so sensitive (over sensitive) to things (my internal emotional state for one)....perhaps the imbalance is caused by this disconnect?

So during the pipe breathing and POTS I focused on trying to be 'in' my body as much as possible....feel the prayer and life fill every cell of my body.
I don't know if it was this or not, but I feel different today....more comfortable in my own skin. More grounded even.
This will be something I'll continue to experiment with I think.

For those with early trauma, bodies that are over sensitive to negative emotional states (i.e. you loose weight or become inflamed etc) or who feel ungrounded....it may be worth a go?

 

[aragorn]

This may be nothing, but I just wanted to share it.

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did. I had however the last two evenings read many great articles by Laura on the Cassiopaea.org site (The Q & A section) and at one moment I suddenly felt how it's true that our existence is timeless - that I have always existed in a form or another and the DCM has always been there with me. I can't explain it, but it was something in those articles that finally made it 'click'.

So, when I started the POTS I concentrated on this feeling of everything being timeless, that there's no beginning or end. And suddenly I could concentrate on the meaning of the verses like never before. It felt like the meaning of the prayer 'opened up' for me and at the same time worked inside me making a contact that I had sought for so long.

I hope that I can repeat this experience the next time I do it. :)

 

[Oxajil]

I realized I have been coming into a habit of doing it pretty mechanically, that is, without putting any considerable 'enthusiasm energy' into it.
Thus what I did at the last full session was to Really feel that 'spirit', lol. And you know what, it was great, intense and simply full of energy and joy, really fun, much more than usually! :) What I also did was visualizing that I was doing the breathing together with the group.. saw some of your faces, pals! :)

Cool :D!! It's nice to play with it, sometimes, isn't it?
Sometimes, I also try to have that same spirit during the POTS, I sometimes ask DCM to show me some stuff just for fun. Or I say ''hello DCM'', start a conversation or whatever (just for fun). Sometimes my "soul" feels like it's "dancing" to the POTS, and I smile, and am just amazed by the whole experience. And sometimes I just listen and try to concentrate on the POTS. Somehow, I just have a problem with doing something the same way all the time, but maybe I should do that, I'm not sure, I also think it depends on my ''state of being''. I don't think that having fun with the program is wrong, though. Sometimes, being too serious just doesn't cut it for me, maybe it's my curious nature.

And the experiences from all of you are very interesting to read. Something is definitely happening!

For two days I saw a face popping up in my mind, now and then, all of a sudden. I think in total there were 3/4 faces.
Don't know if that means anything.

 

[Oxajil]

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did.

Why won't you recommend it? I guess, sometimes, stepping out of the normal routine could be fun and surprising! Of course, it depends on one's own choice of what one is comfortable with doing on that particular moment.

 

[Renaissance]

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did.

Why won't you recommend it? I guess, sometimes, stepping out of the normal routine could be fun and surprising! Of course, it depends on one's own choice of what one is comfortable with doing on that particular moment.

I actually listen to POTS (without doing 3 stage breathing) pretty regularly, and while you may not go as 'deep', I think it's a nice thing to do. I'm also a little curious, Aragorn, as to why you wouldn't recommend it?

 

[kinyash]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

I've had pretty similar experience. Just after starting the program sometime in February, I did have a really vivid dream which unfortunately I did not post on this forum (compassion and sharing nerve still needed more stimulating ;D ). I dreamt that we were having a meeting with other FOTCM members. It was bright and shiny and everyone was extremely joyful. Laura was present at the meeting but she was buried in the ground and only her head was above the ground. I noticed this and when she saw me looking at her, she told me not to worry because she was like this because of her health. Later we went to perform a "ritual" in a cave. I can't quite recall all the details since some time has passed, but I woke up feeling very pleasant. At that time I filed it away as another interesting download but it all came back to me while reading this thread. Quite clearly, it was a dream about the paleofest and many of the details were very similar! The weather wasn't as good as in the dream but we did get plenty of sunny spells.

Since then I've not had anything as near as vivid and occasionaly I do wake up after a mundane dream. I know that every now and then I get significant dreams especially when I need to wake up. The most significant one was many years ago before I started on a more spiritual path, I started getting a recurring dream about being back in my high school days and having just completed one exam paper in Further mathematics (which was a two paper exam). During this exam, it was so difficult that I was unable to answer a single question. I woke up just after the exam ended and spent half an hour thinking about how I needed to swot for the next paper so as to pass. I then suddently came to and realised that not only did I complete my high school exam, but I had finished University, graduated and I was now working! I dismissed the the whole dream as weird but only later did I realise that my subconcious was telling me I really needed to work on the exam called "life", and I had failed the first paper!! is that a wake up call or what?

I've kinda drifted off topic but I hope this is useful. I will be sure to post any significant dreams that I now as an EE practitioner. :)

Kinyash

 

[Aiming]

For two days I saw a face popping up in my mind, now and then, all of a sudden. I think in total there were 3/4 faces.
Don't know if that means anything.

Do you 'know' this face somehow, or are there any associations to the faces that appear?

Cool :D!! It's nice to play with it, sometimes, isn't it?

Yes! :)

Yesterday the session was again a calmer one. And when the whole of EE was over something strange happened. Now my room is next to the new house that's soon gonna be finished, so my parents can move in. While lying there with my eyes closed I suddenly 'heard/saw' (as if I was actually in the house and looking around) someone's steps, saw the legs.. of a spirit. There has been some speculation already about this alleged 'spirit' and my mother once saw something moving out of the corner of her eyes when she was alone in that new house. One morning I woke up and had the thought that she had probably only seen some of her own attachments.
Anyhow, so yesterday I was 'seeing/hearing' that there was indeed (?) 'someone' up there in the house walking around and fear crept up. Shortly after I heard this sound in my ears again that in the past has always come up with a parallel "understanding" that I was being cleansed of some sort of attachment via EE; only that this time that sound was much lower, not as intense and it didn't start to grow really big, as it did in the past.
Don't know what to make of it, just thought I'd share it.

 

[aragorn]

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did.

Why won't you recommend it? I guess, sometimes, stepping out of the normal routine could be fun and surprising! Of course, it depends on one's own choice of what one is comfortable with doing on that particular moment.

I actually listen to POTS (without doing 3 stage breathing) pretty regularly, and while you may not go as 'deep', I think it's a nice thing to do. I'm also a little curious, Aragorn, as to why you wouldn't recommend it?

Sorry Shane and Oxajil, my words were poorly chosen. I should have said that it's probably a better combination to do at least the 3 stage breathing before doing the POTS. But of course, doing only the POTS is better than nothing.