Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Nienna]

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did.

Why won't you recommend it? I guess, sometimes, stepping out of the normal routine could be fun and surprising! Of course, it depends on one's own choice of what one is comfortable with doing on that particular moment.

I actually listen to POTS (without doing 3 stage breathing) pretty regularly, and while you may not go as 'deep', I think it's a nice thing to do. I'm also a little curious, Aragorn, as to why you wouldn't recommend it?

Sorry Shane and Oxajil, my words were poorly chosen. I should have said that it's probably a better combination to do at least the 3 stage breathing before doing the POTS. But of course, doing only the POTS is better than nothing.

That's not necessarily true for some. Some people find the 3-stage breathing to be energizing. It relaxes them, but also energizes them so that they are quite awake and going to sleep afterward is a problem. So, for them, it is better to not do this breathing exercise before the POTS and sleep.

Everyone is an individual and different things affect them differently. :)

fwiw

 

[Human]

Last night before sleeping I did only the POTS without any breathing before that. I don't recommend doing it this way, but it was just something I did.

Why won't you recommend it? I guess, sometimes, stepping out of the normal routine could be fun and surprising! Of course, it depends on one's own choice of what one is comfortable with doing on that particular moment.

I actually listen to POTS (without doing 3 stage breathing) pretty regularly, and while you may not go as 'deep', I think it's a nice thing to do. I'm also a little curious, Aragorn, as to why you wouldn't recommend it?

Sorry Shane and Oxajil, my words were poorly chosen. I should have said that it's probably a better combination to do at least the 3 stage breathing before doing the POTS. But of course, doing only the POTS is better than nothing.

That's not necessarily true for some. Some people find the 3-stage breathing to be energizing. It relaxes them, but also energizes them so that they are quite awake and going to sleep afterward is a problem. So, for them, it is better to not do this breathing exercise before the POTS and sleep.

Everyone is an individual and different things affect them differently. :)

fwiw

Well, that's been the case with me.
If I'd done more than just 3 PBs before POTS before bedtime, I had troubles falling asleep. But since recent Oxajil's post about doing EE in different "spirit states", I've been playing with that and last night I did 4 or 5 PBs before 12 rounds of POTS and didn't have any problems with sleep afterwards. I did them in "more determined state" and after only first PB I felt that my mind kinda switched immediately to meditative modus operandi (if that makes sense). I remember that Laura said somewhere that PBs before POTS are good exactly for that purpose, to "quickly" prepare mind for following meditation.

Regarding dreams, before I reported that I had more vivid ones and that I remember them much better than before. There have also been some pretty emotional ones, and lately, I suppose cause of knowledge input and EE - making me understand them a little bit better, they don't stress me like before.
The interesting thing though, and probably something that I need to look more deeply into, is that in last several dreams my ex reappeared. The dreams were quite vivid and even woke me up in the middle of the night. Maybe I still haven't resolved some issues about that relationship?
Anyway, that's a topic for another place than EE thread, so I'll post it elsewhere.

I would like to point out that EE, at least for me, is much more than just "another one of meditation and breathing techniques". Within its "frames", it provides a great playground for improvisation, allowing inclusion of variety of playing and personal "touches" into itself and thus making itself adaptive for almost everybody.

 

[Ollie]

This week I’ve experienced wet eyes during the three stage breathing exercise, and, prior to going to sleep, whilst reciting PotS to myself, of falling asleep before I could complete the complete round.

Outside of the sessions, on visiting the dentist to get a new dental plate adjusted as it was causing dis-stress in my mouth, I was informed that it caused an ulcer!

What was my body telling me?

Mouth – Problems – Set opinions. Closed mind. Incapacity to take in new ideas.

Ulcers – Fear. A strong belief that you are not good enough. What is eating away at you?

Well that makes sense for where I’ve been recently – Not recognising self worth..

MOUTH PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL BLOCK
Problems in the mouth indicate that you find something hard to swallow; new ideas are difficult to accept and you experience an instinctive and unexamined reaction. These ideas and actions may come from you or from others. Your mouth is telling you to be more open to new ideas and situations that could prove beneficial to you.

MENTAL BLOCK
Release these unhealthy thoughts and the fear that keeps them prisoner in your mouth. … You need to believe that new ideas may be good for you.

And what are these new ideas – letting go, being more open-minded about the future, about what might happen, as it may just be different from what I currently imagine. After all, it is a limitless Universe!

Also, I recently worked on ‘perfectionism’ with my therapist – who reminded me about being open-minded as well; that I have all that is required within me to do what I need to do; and that all there is is learning.

What is required is for me to assimilate and integrate this at an unconscious level.

As far as dreams are concerned, most of mine recently have been about working for an underground movement!

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

That's not necessarily true for some. Some people find the 3-stage breathing to be energizing. It relaxes them, but also energizes them so that they are quite awake and going to sleep afterward is a problem. So, for them, it is better to not do this breathing exercise before the POTS and sleep.

Everyone is an individual and different things affect them differently.

I'll second that. I personally need to do the whole program during the day because if I do the beatha at night, I cannot fall asleep for hours. But it was not always like that, so I guess it may have to do with what type of things the beatha is currently processing?

I zoned out yesterday during the POTS following the whole program. First time since a long time, Woo hoo! It felt good to be unplugged for a change.. :)
Several whole programs ago, I had visions (which I haven't had for a while) on a 'shamanic/american indian' theme: me flying, an eagle, feathers arranged in patterns, tents, etc. Nothing much to report other than that.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

I had a vivid dream. I was sitting in a car, next to Vulcan (who was driving) and a female member of the forum (in the backseat) that I did not recognize (beside knowing that she belonged to the forum). Of Vulcan I had a good view: he looked a bit like Spock in star trek but had short bright white hair. (at least that is how he appeared in the dream and I doubted no minute it was him). The three of us talked about things (about what I don't remember) and it was a pleasant atmosphere. Vulcan was a good driver and steered the car across many obstacles on a harbor- road that got thinner, desolate and rougher as we drove along (it felt post destruction). Finally we got to a open area where other cars were, but they all were stuck in the mud. At some point the car almost got stuck also but thanks to the excellent driving skills of Vulcan, we managed to continue our way... then the dream ended.

 

[Gertrudes]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

I've had pretty similar experience.

Same here, my usually active dream life seems to have stopped since I started EE. Or in other words, I still dream, but I rarely remember my dreams.

Lately I have been falling asleep during Baha. Well, I think that I am falling asleep because I start to enter a dream like state. I had been doing the whole program lying down because it allows for my abdomen to expand more, but yesterday I did it seating to prevent myself from falling asleep. It didn't work, I entered that dream like state anyway and could not leave it until the end of the whole program.
I do try to stay conscious because I don't feel that I'm zoning out, but rather falling asleep, but it has been hard do so lately.

 

[Vulcan59]

I had a vivid dream. I was sitting in a car, next to Vulcan (who was driving) and a female member of the forum (in the backseat) that I did not recognize (beside knowing that she belonged to the forum). Of Vulcan I had a good view: he looked a bit like Spock in star trek but had short bright white hair. (at least that is how he appeared in the dream and I doubted no minute it was him). The three of us talked about things (about what I don't remember) and it was a pleasant atmosphere. Vulcan was a good driver and steered the car across many obstacles on a harbor- road that got thinner, desolate and rougher as we drove along (it felt post destruction). Finally we got to a open area where other cars were, but they all were stuck in the mud. At some point the car almost got stuck also but thanks to the excellent driving skills of Vulcan, we managed to continue our way... then the dream ended.

Perhaps we are meant to meet sometime in the future, OSIT.

 

[pete02]

My EE sessions are going as normal but I have noticed something recently with EE that I would like to mention.

I feel like for the past week or so I haven't really been quite myself. The little wheels in my head have been spinning a lot lately and some of my programs have been getting the better of me. However each time this happens I've been trying to do an EE session before going to bed or at least the POTS for sure and the results are amazing. The EE has been centering my thoughts, calming my little wheels and bringing me back to myself little by little. Each morning I awake I can't believe some of the things I said or did the day before. Today I'm finally starting to feel like myself again and able to put my concentration where it belongs, on the work. On BEing all I can BE and its a great feeling.

I have also noticed that I seem to be able to do the whole program more frequently now whereas before I would try do it 3 or 4 times a week. I know its only recommended to do the full program twice a week but sometimes I pass out during Beatha or POTS at the end and I don't count that as a full program then so I try to do it again later in the day. The EE program is an invaluable tool in relieving stress, healing the body, centering thoughts and bringing us back to who we really are and I've never been so grateful in all my life to receive a gift such as this. Thank you.

 

[Oxajil]

I know its only recommended to do the full program twice a week but

Well, I think after one has had some experiences with doing EE, they may decide for themselves if they would like to do the full program more or less times a week, (but of course, in some cases it is best to ask an experienced EE teacher). You can do it how many times you want and feel comfortable with.
To give an example, I once did it every day for a whole week, and I loved it. However doing it on those two days is nice, because you know other people are doing it on those two days as well, ...and who knows, maybe when you do the full program on the other days, someone is also doing it somewhere else.

I think it's totally okay for doing the full program later ''again'' in the day :)

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

After doing my daily PB and POTS (without the Baha portion) I developed pain in the joints connecting the right leg with the hip. It is not very painful but more uncomfortable. This is a pain I remember from when I was aged around twelve. At that age I went to a period of several weeks where I had the same kind of pain, of which the doctor first thought it had to do something with a infected appendicitis, but later concluded (due to my age) that it had to do with (too) fast growing at the onset of puberty. Quiet suddenly the pain disappeared and never came back, until now. As I mentioned in other threads I started to reconnect with my inner child the last week and I thought the return of this pain might have to do something with this reconnecting. Am I suppose to remember something? the age of twelve was a difficult period (I felt shameful). I was in the first grade of junior highschool and had particular difficulties in learning Latin. I also started loosing eyesight to the point where I needed glasses. It was the first time I recollect failing in something (at least there was objective proof that I did not pass the tests) and I always explained loosing eyesight as not wanting to see something. Don't know if that is correct though. This afternoon (at work) the pain came back and is there now as I write. Strangely the pain came back when during lunch break I decided to write about it on the forum. What should I read in all this? I am lost here in how to go about it, so any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Oxajil]

After doing my daily PB and POTS (without the Baha portion) I developed pain in the joints connecting the right leg with the hip. It is not very painful but more uncomfortable. This is a pain I remember from when I was aged around twelve. At that age I went to a period of several weeks where I had the same kind of pain, of which the doctor first thought it had to do something with a infected appendicitis, but later concluded (due to my age) that it had to do with (too) fast growing at the onset of puberty. Quiet suddenly the pain disappeared and never came back, until now. As I mentioned in other threads I started to reconnect with my inner child the last week and I thought the return of this pain might have to do something with this reconnecting. Am I suppose to remember something? the age of twelve was a difficult period (I felt shameful). I was in the first grade of junior highschool and had particular difficulties in learning Latin. I also started loosing eyesight to the point where I needed glasses. It was the first time I recollect failing in something (at least there was objective proof that I did not pass the tests) and I always explained loosing eyesight as not wanting to see something. Don't know if that is correct though. This afternoon (at work) the pain came back and is there now as I write. Strangely the pain came back when during lunch break I decided to write about it on the forum. What should I read in all this? I am lost here in how to go about it, so any advice would be appreciated.

Well I guess one of the things that EE does is make things that were buried deep in our tissues etc. to come out in some way. And that can also include pain or uncomfortability, but they're usually temporary. Maybe it's part of processing certain buried emotions.
The reconnection you mentioned could very well be (one of) the reasons why! Just to be sure, and maybe you already did, I think you should also look into your diet, see if there might be anything there connected to it as well.
(And if you want, you could always do some contemplating on your childhood and see if you could learn anything from that.)

Just some thoughts, fwiw. Take care Jeremy!

 

[Nienna]

Jeremy, looking at your diet is a good idea. Are you on the improved UltraSimple Diet?

Also, as you have surmised, EE does bring up repressed emotions and past psychological traumas. I find it interesting that as you have been reminded of these childhood traumas, you had the same pain come back in the same locations. I would look at these past traumas and soothe that inner child. Let him know that he does not have to be 100% perfect in any respect and that he is perfect in your eyes and the Universe's. Give him the love and acceptance that he didn't get back then. And, then, let these traumas go to the Universe to be done with as will be done.

Thanks for bringing this up here, Jeremy. We are all here for you. :)

 

[Ollie]

... I always explained loosing eyesight as not wanting to see something. Don't know if that is correct though. ...

That's what I understand too.

 

[Oxajil]

The POTS seems to really help me in dreaming clearly (it keeps surprising me). Some days ago I listened to the POTS several hours before sleeping, the dreams then were a bit chaotic, but last night I did it right before sleeping (which imo is the moment it is most effective, atleast for me), and I prayed to DCM(God)/Higher Self to give me some insight in a particular situation, in my dreams. And I had dreamt about it, and I had one very clear, calm scene in which I was with another person and asked that person the questions I wanted to ask. It was as if I was conscious in the dream and could control my questions. I don't think the answers played a role in the insight I asked for because the answers could've been part of me rather than the truth, anything's possible though. But what I think was an insight is the way the other person looked like, and that everything looked positive. A bit like that things will be alright, in the end. Maybe not, but it sure was interesting.

POTS is fun :)

... I always explained loosing eyesight as not wanting to see something. Don't know if that is correct though. ...

That's what I understand too.

You might find this site interesting, not sure if it'll help: _http://www.paganspath.com/healing/ailments.htm
You can read there:

Eye problems, In children: Not wanting to see what's going on in the family.

 

[aragorn]

I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for my ignorance regarding the 'solo-POTS' procedure.

Ever since my last post on this thread I've been doing only the POTS part before falling asleep. I've had very strong reactions, so it's cleat that I was wrong about this. In this way I'm able to 'super-concentrate' on the prayer. Every time I've done this now I've had such strong releases and spasms in my abdomen that my upper body/torso shoots up like a rocket, a sort of 'Swiss army knife movement'. One evening this developed into a fetal position where my whole body was shaking and my head kept bending backwards. So, I guess something is going on, thanks to the Prayer.

I'm logging off in order to do it again... :)