Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Drazen]

Hi Alana,

First of all thank you very much for your comments.
I scheduled a meeting with his teacher for this sunday.

A short summary of what we are going to try to teach him:

1- pipe breath exhaling by making fog on a glass surface
2- pipe breath inhaling by making darth vader noise
3-decrease the counts if neccesary like 4-2-7-2
4-then connecting the dots
5-do the pipe breathing and warior breathing but not the baha breathing
6-do this before sleep and listen to the meditation disc.

I was teaching EE at a women's shelter for a while, and one time a woman came with her son who was around your son's age, and also autistic, but perhaps a bit higher functioning. So for the boy, I used a different count for pipe breathing (in for 4, hold for 2, ex for 7) and it was more comfortable for him. And he really liked the warrior's breath, that he was allowed to make so much noise, he couldn't stop laughing!

When I read this I could't stop crying (nearly), thank you for being such a wonderful human.

I hope that your son will benefit from this greatly


Breathing report: I've been doing full program pretty regularly on Mondays and Thursdays in last half of the year, while doing 3 stage breathing and PotS occasionally on other days. When I don't have time, due to work shifts, I sometimes do 12-round pipe breathing on these days. It helps nicely. I don't have problem with positions of my hands while sitting, but for the Ba-Ha part, I prefer to lie down.

There were no significant (observable) changes during this half of the year in my internal state during breathing. I feel more connected during PotS and often find myself with tears in my eyes due to emotions while praying and thinking about true, deeper meaning of each line of the PotS. Truly blessed we are with having EE to help ourselves.

 

[herondancer]

Hi Alana,

First of all thank you very much for your comments.
I scheduled a meeting with his teacher for this sunday.

A short summary of what we are going to try to teach him:

1- pipe breath exhaling by making fog on a glass surface
2- pipe breath inhaling by making darth vader noise
3-decrease the counts if neccesary like 4-2-7-2
4-then connecting the dots
5-do the pipe breathing and warior breathing but not the baha breathing
6-do this before sleep and listen to the meditation disc.

I was teaching EE at a women's shelter for a while, and one time a woman came with her son who was around your son's age, and also autistic, but perhaps a bit higher functioning. So for the boy, I used a different count for pipe breathing (in for 4, hold for 2, ex for 7) and it was more comfortable for him. And he really liked the warrior's breath, that he was allowed to make so much noise, he couldn't stop laughing!

When I read this I could't stop crying (nearly), thank you for being such a wonderful human.

LtT, your boy is very lucky to have a father who so deeply cares about his welfare.

Just to add a little to the above, if your son has trouble doing the whole sequence of pipe breath, you can have him concentrate on just the outbreath. It's the easiest to learn and the sound will tell him if he is doing it correctly. So maybe have him breathe through his nose however he can to the count, then hold the breath, and make the 'haaa' sound for the outbreath, with whatever count he can handle. Later on when he's comfortable with that much, you can introduce the inbreath. On the other hand, he may pick it up quickly. Children can be very intuitive about what is good for them.

Small story. I used to be in a little amateur performing group. One time there was a new member who started freaking out a couple of minutes before her entrance in her first show. Without explaining anything really (no time!) I got her to do about ten breaths just making the 'haa' sound on the outbreath. Nothing else. It was enough to get her settled down, and she had a really good show. Pipe breathing is magic!

Also, there is a book published last August, that you might be interested in reading. It's called "The Reason I Jump: The Inner Voice of a Thirteen-Year-Old Boy with Autism". There's an interview on Amazon with some of the people involved with the book (David Mitchell and Andrew Solomon) here. I've read a little bit of it and it's fascinating.

 

[Skyalmian]

I started doing Éiriú-Eolas back in November to clear out / transmute high anxiety and outright panic attacks. It becomes easier over time. Also adding in barefoot activities, closed-eyes sungazing, as-close-to-ketogenic-as-possible eating, and _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xpI00ShS4M played through a speaker and placed against the solar plexus.

This mind has a strong tendency to be what I guess could be considered a control freak. Autophobia showed up quite strongly sometime around age 12, the "Thought Wars" started after that, almost immediately followed by "the standard 'Dark Man Dream' as described by Clarissa Pinkola Estes", then the "Shadow Nightmares" that all were virtually identical to the example in that chapter.

The current issue is that imagination is being taken too literally and in conjunction with autophobia, past traumas, etc. is resulting in being rather frightening. Although the noise is diminishing, before (November) I could not, for example, consciously imagine something pleasant for more than a few seconds without, for example, a jarring, sudden interruption of sudden violence entering the picture; or some frightening scenario to myself or a loved one.

This?! -> 'Dissociation' / "Dissociative Identity Disorder". I counted 3 "mental states" at the peak, the longest-running of which is?/was? the 'Shadow' one.

Repeated dissociation may result in a series of separate entities, or mental states, which the trauma survivor may perceive as having identities of their own. These entities may become the internal "personality states" of a DID system. Changing between these states of consciousness is described as "switching."

People with dissociative disorders may experience any of the following: depression, mood swings, suicidal tendencies, sleep disorders (insomnia, night terrors, and sleep walking), panic attacks and phobias (flashbacks, reactions to stimuli or "triggers"), alcohol and drug abuse, compulsions and rituals, psychotic-like symptoms (including auditory and visual hallucinations), and eating disorders.

Does a 5-year obsession with 'breatharianism' count? :/ But that was also due to a double-hernia operation at the age of 3 months that left my system so messed up that it seemed like "there [was] no eating solution that works".

The vast majority (as many as 98 to 99%) of individuals who develop DID have documented histories of repetitive, overwhelming, and often life-threatening trauma at a sensitive developmental stage of childhood (usually before the age of nine), and they may possess an inherited biological predisposition for dissociation. In our culture the most frequent precursor to DID is extreme physical, emotional, and sexual abuse in childhood, but survivors of other kinds of trauma in childhood (such as natural disasters, invasive medical procedures, war, and torture) have also reacted by developing DID.

Breathing program + others are helping. "They help your mind, too. Like I said, it's like looking at a healing wound." -friend

 

[Gawan]

Hi Skysira,

regarding your mentioning of dissociation did you have a look in the recommended reading section already and especially Martha Stouts book Myth of Sanity and the other psychological book recommendations? And how often do you EE in a week? And eventually it would be good skipping the bioenergetic part a bit and go more slowly with the program, no worries the beatha part isn't the most important one. And how long are you on the diet?

 

[canavare]

LtT, your boy is very lucky to have a father who so deeply cares about his welfare.

Just to add a little to the above, if your son has trouble doing the whole sequence of pipe breath, you can have him concentrate on just the outbreath. It's the easiest to learn and the sound will tell him if he is doing it correctly. So maybe have him breathe through his nose however he can to the count, then hold the breath, and make the 'haaa' sound for the outbreath, with whatever count he can handle. Later on when he's comfortable with that much, you can introduce the inbreath. On the other hand, he may pick it up quickly. Children can be very intuitive about what is good for them.

Small story. I used to be in a little amateur performing group. One time there was a new member who started freaking out a couple of minutes before her entrance in her first show. Without explaining anything really (no time!) I got her to do about ten breaths just making the 'haa' sound on the outbreath. Nothing else. It was enough to get her settled down, and she had a really good show. Pipe breathing is magic!

Also, there is a book published last August, that you might be interested in reading. It's called "The Reason I Jump: The Inner Voice of a Thirteen-Year-Old Boy with Autism". There's an interview on Amazon with some of the people involved with the book (David Mitchell and Andrew Solomon) here. I've read a little bit of it and it's fascinating.

Thank you herondancer, today I did a meeting with his teacher and we have trained EE a little, after the teacher masters the technic then we will first focus on exhaling pipe breath ''haaa'' .

 

[Skyalmian]

regarding your mentioning of dissociation did you have a look in the recommended reading section already and especially Martha Stouts book Myth of Sanity and the other psychological book recommendations?

No, but am now. The book is in an Amazon Wishlist; county library doesn't have it.

And how often do you EE in a week?

Maybe too much at present? — Hour+ in a day... No bio-energetic breathing as of yet, although perhaps I may not given the bi-polar warning.

And how long are you on the diet?

I mostly fry eggs, meat, and [frozen] vegetables in the only cooking instrument we (personally) have, an electric pan, with olive oil or coconut oil or butterfat (most often olive). (Plus I eat avocado.) There was a group dinner last week (divided living house) that had wheat/gluten breading on fish—made a mistake there in eating before checking box—but otherwise I seem to be paleo-ish afaik (I wrote _http://skysira.blogspot.com/2012/09/paleolithic-primal-experiment.html in September 2012). As much as I like coffee and black tea w/honey (not always with honey, only sometimes), I think they have to go as they're counter-productive to anxiety and panic attacks.

As of yesterday I weigh 132.8 pounds (60.237 kilograms) with blood pressure of 141/86; weight is as always, but the latter may be due to being so tense and unnerved lately.

 

[Skyalmian]

([sees] The caffeine + olive oil; /will move away from those.)

 

[Skyalmian]

A major release today.

It starts out with tension or pressure in the solar plexus, a clenching, and in this case...eventual tears, starting with a mind's eye picture related to traumatizing events of the April - July 2013 period. Tears, face buried in towel, sobbing while pacing, upstairs to outside deck and then (quasi-hysterical) laughter, epiphanies, realizations; stuff from that stressful, traumatic time period, actions and consequences, to myself, had not fully dawned on me until now.

Maybe more release is on the way, but otherwise, for right now, I do feel much better / lighter. :)

(More butter and coconut oil in use, the olive oil being left for dressing.)

 

[Toda22]

I started to practice Eiriu Eolas 8 months ago.
After the first few times I felt a slight cramp in my throat and it lasted a few days. The first two weeks (I did then exercises and meditation 3 times a week) it was hard to relax during the exercises but over time it was getting easier and easier. A lot of emotional spasm -cramp. At first I did exercises before sleep. After I waked up several times around 3 or 4 AM and make the exercises, after that I slept like a baby and the next few days I was like reborn. I slept better than during evening exercises. So now I'm doing exercises at night and so I do not disturb anyone else in the family. I am calmer and my thoughts are no more wavy as before. I lose focus harder and thinking is not intermittent with various interruptions, much less quick jumps from one theme to another.
After 4 months there was a period with a lot of obligations and after 5-6 days without all exercises, I felt stress more and more. After the exercises and meditation again I came subsequent to peace and tranquility. The first exercises I'm doing by sitting but BA-HA and meditation I do by lying down. Several times I fell asleep during meditation and when I woke up after 1-2 hours due to headphones on my ears, immediately I was completely awake. After removing the headphones and turning the computer off I could immediately continue to sleep peacefully. Before I started with EE if I would woke up, I was awake for an hour and would hardly sleep again. Nightmares also vanished.

When I do the warriors breath, initially my fingers in the starting position are provided while I raise my hands but I clench my fingers into a fist when my arms are going down until elbow height. It seems somehow naturally to me all these months I do the exercise, but I wonder if clenching a fist is maybe connected with internal unrest; am I possibly braking a free flow of energy through the body or am I stopping negative energy going out this way? Should I stop with clenching fists or is it alright so?

 

[Ollie]

It appears that you are making great progress, Toda22.

With regard to clenching your fists on the way down whilst doing Warriors Breath, this is fine - the instructions suggest that at the top of your arm movement, reaching upwards, you grab a fistful of air (thus clenching your fingers into a fist) and pull it down to the bottom of the arm movement, before releasing for the upward movement of the arms. All is well. :)

 

[Skyalmian]

Maybe more release is on the way, but otherwise, for right now, I do feel much better / lighter. :)

I'm going to try focused (targeted) breathing, or all traumatic or high-emotion events remembered in life (all outbursts from self or others, fear stabs, panic attacks, etc.), and do the exercises while they are 'relived' / replayed, going back to childhood, including odd or weird events such as the bright floating tennis ball orb of light outside my New Jersey house window at 2:30am that everyone else too saw. It's...a long list, very. :(

 

[Toda22]

It appears that you are making great progress, Toda22.

With regard to clenching your fists on the way down whilst doing Warriors Breath, this is fine - the instructions suggest that at the top of your arm movement, reaching upwards, you grab a fistful of air (thus clenching your fingers into a fist) and pull it down to the bottom of the arm movement, before releasing for the upward movement of the arms. All is well. :)

So all is well, great!
Now that you have written the word "grab", I remember that Laura says "grab the air" and I have checked it, it has been said when the warrior breath should be done the third time. It seems to me that because of a lot of repeating trough months, I am more concentrating on tempo and on doing exercises, then on the words.

Thank you Prodigal Son! :)

 

[Lidia V.]

Hi,
I would like to share my experience connected with EE program. Usually I felt strong emotions and saw different things, lights but recently I have started to feel something different. It was a sensation similar to the one when you have while falling down with a great speed, for example when a lift goes down from the highest floor of a very tall building straight to the first floor. The other experience I can compare it too is also a roller coaster but the sensation lasts only a split second. It is like a sudden subsiding. It happens to me couple of times a week. I sometimes also have a feeling that I am approaching "a big cosmic vaccum cleaner" :) and people will be sucked into it. I think it may be correlated to gravity.
Have anyone experienced something similiar?

 

[Gawan]

Hi,
I would like to share my experience connected with EE program. Usually I felt strong emotions and saw different things, lights but recently I have started to feel something different. It was a sensation similar to the one when you have while falling down with a great speed, for example when a lift goes down from the highest floor of a very tall building straight to the first floor. The other experience I can compare it too is also a roller coaster but the sensation lasts only a split second. It is like a sudden subsiding. It happens to me couple of times a week. I sometimes also have a feeling that I am approaching "a big cosmic vaccum cleaner" :) and people will be sucked into it. I think it may be correlated to gravity.
Have anyone experienced something similiar?

I experienced something similar a while back and as I remember it was due to that I was sitting while doing EE and slightly moving my head downwards, which caused this "falling sensation" and soemtimes longer and sometime just a second. Don't know if something similar happened to you too, that you slightly moved your?

 

[Lidia V.]

Hi,
I would like to share my experience connected with EE program. Usually I felt strong emotions and saw different things, lights but recently I have started to feel something different. It was a sensation similar to the one when you have while falling down with a great speed, for example when a lift goes down from the highest floor of a very tall building straight to the first floor. The other experience I can compare it too is also a roller coaster but the sensation lasts only a split second. It is like a sudden subsiding. It happens to me couple of times a week. I sometimes also have a feeling that I am approaching "a big cosmic vaccum cleaner" :) and people will be sucked into it. I think it may be correlated to gravity.
Have anyone experienced something similiar?

I experienced something similar a while back and as I remember it was due to that I was sitting while doing EE and slightly moving my head downwards, which caused this "falling sensation" and soemtimes longer and sometime just a second. Don't know if something similar happened to you too, that you slightly moved your?

Hi Gawan,
these feelings I mentioned in my previous post happened during the day, not at the time of practising EE. Once I was lying in bed, once I was sitting at the chair, once when I was falling asleep, etc. . Actually, I also felt occassionally that I was becoming weightless, that was very strange indeed, it lasted at most a second, couple of times. The word which desribes this well is "sudden subsiding" I think I know the experience you mentioned. Sometimes when I practise EE I am tired and discover myself with a head lowered and suddenly I "woke up". But these ones from my previous post are a bit different. They are like from outside. I think I need to study some information about gravity, if you have some other conclusions - I will aprreciate them too. Thank you.