Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention

[thevenusian]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Could this be interpreted as, over a relatively short period of time historically speaking, people lost connection with their memory of their real collective history, or that dense-with-accurate-information-encoded-in-metaphor, powerful mythological/poetic consciousness (my interpretation)? If so, does the introduction of "gods and whatnot" represent 'selection and substitution' with new, relatively worthless myths, so to speak? Paleo-Ponerology?

Well, yes, I basically agree with you.

What Talbott is saying, which echoes what Velikovsky said is that people gradually lost that connection simply because the original events which the myths were describing (which were huge, dramatic, impossible to miss and sometimes traumatic) weren't happening anymore. So they no longer made sense and became 'myths.'

The implications of this are that over time any group with the intention and ability to co-opt the stories could 'guide' them to mean whatever they wanted.

This doesn't necessarily mean that every myth was corrupted with ill-intent, but some form of 'selection and substitution' took place inevitably. What we've learned from the cognitive studies shows that often, if pressed for an explanation and we're not sure, we'll just make something up. Kind of sobering to consider that might well be close to how all major religions got their start.

 

[Laura]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Actually, Clube, Napier, et al, give a very plausible scenario if you just read it.

 

[bngenoh]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

I didn't catch a hypothetical time-frame. Sometime around 3500-4000BC? Is that the time period associated with the return of the 'gods'?

Also, could not 4D STS controllers, when they were physically present(same time frame?), have used this naturally occurring phenomena to reintroduce themselves as 'gods'? Seems an opportune time....

In all his presentations, he says something along the lines of just a few thousand years ago, humanity saw a great congregation, not very helpful, but that is where all the research and material collected by Laura come into play. When you factor in 4D then it's just like putting broken glass together after thousands of years.

Actually, Clube, Napier, et al, give a very plausible scenario if you just read it.

From the material you have collected which is the totality of my encounter with Clube, etc, they have gotten a lot of the big picture described in a logical way. Notice that Talbott begins a lot of his presentations with the Mars, Venus, Saturn configuration, which was probably not the beginning, where did Venus come from? Hod did it get to be the 2nd planet while in his configuration it is the 4th. A lot of questions come up that reveal more of our ignorance and state of amnesia than than anything else osit.

 

[bngenoh]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Science To Sage International Magazine has a piece out on the Electric Universe: http://issuu.com/sciencetosage/docs/2012?mode=window&backgroundColor=%23222222

It's got Wal Thornhill, Donald E. Scott, Gerald Pollack, and others. Very well done, and the software that they used is just awesome. It's 148 pgs, but i feel, it's worthwhile.

A few quotes up till where i am right know:

Plasma is upon us, and everything we know is in doubt. The Universe is becoming populated with new objects: planets are not isolated motes of mass, but electrically connected cells of comet-like plasma sheaths. Stars are not specks of hot gas, gravitating in immense darkness but arc lamps, strung on circuits wrapped around the galaxy.

We see the beginnings of a Plasma Cosmology & Physics. But the shift won't be confined to revising a few equations in Physics. There must come a Plasma Geology & a Plasma Biology, a Plasma Anthropology & a Plasma psychology. Beyond the sciences, there must come a Plasma History & Politics, and thus, a Plasma Theology.

And:

People don't change the way they think about the Universe over morning coffee; the Universe gives them a kick in the butt. The kicks are undeniable, but non-human nature, leaves it to human nature to figure out what they mean. Thus we return to the human scale, the scale of caring about human experiences, of making sense of them.

Imagine the archetypal human, peering into a telescope, microscope, or just into the distance. This human is itself the measure of all the truth it can ever know. The content changes, but the seeking persists. We leave this human, amid the ruins of it's latest knowledge, still peering ahead at new and ambiguous observations, and at newly ambiguous old observations. From these heaps of nonsense, this human must build another world that makes sense; knowing that it too, someday will fall apart. But the struggle itself, is enough to fill this human's heart. We must imagine this human happy.

Enjoy reading, because i certainly am. ;)

 

[Meager1]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Sometime around 3500-4000BC? Is that the time period associated with the return of the 'gods'?

Also, could not 4D STS controllers, when they were physically present(same time frame?), have used this naturally occurring phenomena to reintroduce themselves as 'gods'? Seems an opportune time....

What if, these cataclysms really do herald the changing of the entire system since it would likely take a major cataclysm to accomplish it. For instance, if the intention last time around was to move humanity away from a personal connection too, or the personal communion with a higher power, so to speak, such as Odysseus had, to a new system of tighter control under the monarchy`s, governments and religious establishments as is what has occurred, then maybe, the next cataclysm would indicate an end to the governments, financial, religious, matrix control system, as it is now, allowing for people/survivors, to move back into a more personal/direct cosmic relationship and away from "system" enslavement again.

Since control is in, by and through their system, when they lose their "system" they lose their power which seems to be that big fear right now. So, with cataclysms coming, they just can`t hold on, and they know it.
Maybe the "return of the gods" is the return of freedom, this time around?

 

[Voyageur]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Just in case this was missed, seems Talbott just posted the full version of 'Symbols of an Alien Sky'

Official Full Movie
Posted on December 7, 2012 by B Talbott

_http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/12/07/symbols-of-an-alien-sky-official-full-movie/

 

[denekin]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Son of the Thunderbolts Project

2013 Thunderbolts Project Convention in Albuquerque.

The list of speakers and themes is interesting.
I'm making it my special event for the year.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/09/02/eu2013-conference-the-tipping-point-2/

 

[denekin]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Thunderbolts Convention in Albuquerque, Jan 3-6 2013
This was a great success. Age range 14-92. Great speakers some of whose websites are listed below. Well worth a look:

Stephen Crothers shoots Holes in Einstein and discusses his own experience of Scientific corruption:

http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/papers.html
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/PhD.html

Rupert Sheldrake spoke eloquently on what he sees as the errors of contemporary scientific orientation:
http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

http://www.sutd.edu.sg/franklin.aspx
Franklin Anariba, PhD
Cometary-electrochemistry: Can Electrochemical Processes Occur in Comets?
EU2013 Franklin Anariba Photo -1Franklin Anariba will illustrate a general electrochemical model by exploring conditions in comets that are amenable to electrochemical processes. Particular attention will be provided to recent physical and chemical observed phenomena that point to a paradigm shift as to the origin and nature of cometary bodies.

Geology from the Electric Universe perspective. There are lots of anomalies in geology that can be better explained with an EU model than the classical. orthodox models:
http://www.eu-geology.com/

Testing the Electric Sun model: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/10/09/the-safire-project-testing-the-electric-sun/

A related group, The Natural Philosophy Alliance, http://www.worldnpa.org/site/problems-in-mainstream-science/

 

[Voyageur]

Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Thunderbolts Convention in Albuquerque, Jan 3-6 2013
This was a great success. Age range 14-92. Great speakers some of whose websites are listed below. Well worth a look:

Stephen Crothers shoots Holes in Einstein and discusses his own experience of Scientific corruption:

_http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/papers.html
_http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/PhD.html

Rupert Sheldrake spoke eloquently on what he sees as the errors of contemporary scientific orientation:
_http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

_http://www.sutd.edu.sg/franklin.aspx
Franklin Anariba, PhD
Cometary-electrochemistry: Can Electrochemical Processes Occur in Comets?
EU2013 Franklin Anariba Photo -1Franklin Anariba will illustrate a general electrochemical model by exploring conditions in comets that are amenable to electrochemical processes. Particular attention will be provided to recent physical and chemical observed phenomena that point to a paradigm shift as to the origin and nature of cometary bodies.

Geology from the Electric Universe perspective. There are lots of anomalies in geology that can be better explained with an EU model than the classical. orthodox models:
_http://www.eu-geology.com/

Testing the Electric Sun model: _http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/10/09/the-safire-project-testing-the-electric-sun/

A related group, The Natural Philosophy Alliance, _http://www.worldnpa.org/site/problems-in-mainstream-science/

Thank you for the links.

Seems there is one comments on the forum about Crothers, along with several on Schwarzschild. Of Crothers, it was noted he was nominated for a gold medal by the rather interesting folks of the Telesio Galilei Academy of Science, which has been well discussed here, too. Not sure how that worked out for him.

 

[shijing]

The official page for the upcoming Thunderbolts conference to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico on March 20-24, 2014 is now up:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/09/10/eu2014-home-page/

They've also announced a student scholarship competition to attend the conference -- the age range is from the seventh grade through college or postgraduate level:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/09/10/eu2014-conference-scholarships/

 

[psychegram]

Thunderbolts has started putting up some of the talks from EU 2014 on their Youtube page.

The keynote address is given by Dr. Michael Clarage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W5jaxKlgU

This is quite a good talk on the nature of the electrical connection between the Sun and the Earth, presented in a very informal, easy fashion. I found it quite interesting that he dwells on fact that the Sun is transforming Galactic energies, passing them on to the Earth which transforms Solar energies, which then continue on back out to the Galaxy, describing how the flow of electrons passes through all living things and is then carried on to purposes unknown. Rather reminded me of the C's description of humanity's function as transducers of cosmic energy. He also goes out of his way to compare the complexity of the electrically connected Solar system to a living body, with the implication that, perhaps, it is actually alive.

Here's Dr. Pierre-Marie Robitaille explaining why Kirchoff's Law of blackbody radiation is not actually universal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hstum3U2zw

This is rather technical, but has big consequences in astrophysics, since Kirchoff's Law is used to determine the temperatures of stars. It's not likely that we have the temperatures wrong, by the way (for one thing, the balance of various ions matches the blackbody temperature very well; for another, stellar spectra are in fact blackbodies), however, it does mean that the gaseous model of the Sun must be wrong, since gases cannot be blackbodies. Dr. Robitaille has himself advanced a model of a liquid metallic hydrogen Sun, which is very interesting from an EU perspective.

Finally, Suspicious0bservers noted that Dr. Kongpop U-Yen has gone ahead and put his own talk, "Evidence of Space Weather Induced Natural Disasters", online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EE0p9kx5o

Very interesting and potentially quite useful stuff. He demonstrates experimentally how electrical fields are able to profoundly affect cloud behaviour, for instance forming tornadoes, and then shows several case studies of extreme weather systems and earthquakes whose development correlates very closely with the arrival of charged particles from coronal mass ejections and solar flares.

 

[Cosmos]

Thunderbolts has started putting up some of the talks from EU 2014 on their Youtube page.

The keynote address is given by Dr. Michael Clarage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W5jaxKlgU

This is quite a good talk on the nature of the electrical connection between the Sun and the Earth, presented in a very informal, easy fashion. I found it quite interesting that he dwells on fact that the Sun is transforming Galactic energies, passing them on to the Earth which transforms Solar energies, which then continue on back out to the Galaxy, describing how the flow of electrons passes through all living things and is then carried on to purposes unknown. Rather reminded me of the C's description of humanity's function as transducers of cosmic energy. He also goes out of his way to compare the complexity of the electrically connected Solar system to a living body, with the implication that, perhaps, it is actually alive.

Here's Dr. Pierre-Marie Robitaille explaining why Kirchoff's Law of blackbody radiation is not actually universal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hstum3U2zw

This is rather technical, but has big consequences in astrophysics, since Kirchoff's Law is used to determine the temperatures of stars. It's not likely that we have the temperatures wrong, by the way (for one thing, the balance of various ions matches the blackbody temperature very well; for another, stellar spectra are in fact blackbodies), however, it does mean that the gaseous model of the Sun must be wrong, since gases cannot be blackbodies. Dr. Robitaille has himself advanced a model of a liquid metallic hydrogen Sun, which is very interesting from an EU perspective.

Finally, Suspicious0bservers noted that Dr. Kongpop U-Yen has gone ahead and put his own talk, "Evidence of Space Weather Induced Natural Disasters", online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EE0p9kx5o

Very interesting and potentially quite useful stuff. He demonstrates experimentally how electrical fields are able to profoundly affect cloud behaviour, for instance forming tornadoes, and then shows several case studies of extreme weather systems and earthquakes whose development correlates very closely with the arrival of charged particles from coronal mass ejections and solar flares.

Very interesting indeed! Especially Dr. Kongpop U-Yen presentation that I'm watching right now...

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Cosmos]

Unfortunately most of those people, as of yet, seem to miss a big elephant in the room, that might have quite some significant consequences to what we experience on earth and in the solar system as a whole aka---> swarms of space rocks/fireballs

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Well, let's see how it goes. There might be some interesting talks nonetheless. I think for instance that Michael Clarage's talk was pretty good.

What I'm hoping to see is an update of the SAFIRE project (in-lab testing of the Electric Sun model) and also Gerald Pollack on electrically structured water.

Can't say I'm too eager to see Talbott's talk though. This guy creeps me out a bit. :/

 

[trendsetter37]

Thanks for posting that psychegram. Awhile back I was thinking about tornadoes having an electrical component given that some UFOs and other mysterious events manifesting from their center. As in the center being some sort of portal. So today when I was catching up on the suspicious 0bservers channel and saw the videos posted...I was like I have to post this on the forum...but you beat me to it :D

Anyways thinking about the spiraling nature of birkland currents one would think that tornadoes which he illustrates towards the middle of his talk could be caused by a difference in potential being rectified by an electrical birkland current. Consequently, causing anything around said current to follow the spiraling nature of the current. I.e. tornadoes, hurricanes etc.

Maybe intense storms and earthquakes for that matter are evidence of the earth rectifying the huge potential difference caused by the suns radiative output. From where I sit it sure looks that way. Really fascinating research.

Unfortunately most of those people, as of yet, seem to miss a big elephant in the room, that might have quite some significant consequences to what we experience on earth and in the solar system as a whole aka---> swarms of space rocks/fireballs

That and what about a greater influx of cosmic radiation in general. Can that be extrapolated to an increase in weather severity as well as strange phenomenon? There also seems to be observations over the decade that conclude that our magnetic shield is weakening which would amplify the effects they are describing. Osit.