Emetophobia

[anart]

The real problem is that the idea of diet makes me sick too, knowing that i have to renounce to all the foods i like.
I only eat fried foods on saturday when my mum prepares french fries with garlic dressing and fried chicken :D and then we drink beer. i feel very happy when i do it and feel good too.

Obviously you're not sick enough yet. One day, if you continue eating what you're eating, you will be so sick that you will have no other choice. It's unfortunate but most people don't change until they have no other choice, even if changing earlier could have saved them much pain and hospital visits.

There is more than enough data on the effect of gluten on the human body - do some research.

 

[psychic_spy]

There are tons of articles on SOTT. Just put the word gluten (or dairy, or sugar) in the search function.

Gluten, dairy and sugar are addictive. Of course you don't want to give up things you are addicted to. But it all depends on if you want to get healthy, or keep having the problems you are having. For me, the decision wasn't hard at all. Maybe you just like to suffer?

I know sugar is addictive, about gluten i didn't know because i coudn't imagine it is the source of my troubles. I just didn't consider it an issue because i eat a small quantity a day, 3 slices of bread or spaghetti or potatoes i don't think is much but maybe you know better. In the future , when i'll go to the super market i'll look for non-gluten products but they are scarce here, really. I don't want to suffer , i just want to understand why it makes me sick if i eat them. I just want to understand before i engage myself in a diet since i'm not motivated enough and don't have right now the tools to be able to start with.. But i will inform myself.

 

[Renaissance]

The real problem is that the idea of diet makes me sick too, knowing that i have to renounce to all the foods i like.
I only eat fried foods on saturday when my mum prepares french fries with garlic dressing and fried chicken :D and then we drink beer. i feel very happy when i do it and feel good too.
Yet my emetophobia and somach troubles in times of anxiety are the greatest toll of my life and i can't see how can i relate them with gluten foods. I'll read the Life without bread section when i come back from my trip but i can promise i will change my eating habits significantly as long as i don't understand what you have said. I don't want to sound rigid but in this case i need proof and arguments about the effect of certain foods on the intestines.

Like others have said reading the Life Without Bread thread will clarify these things. Make sure to read the whole thing - it is very long but contains some worthwhile information that can quite literally change your life. Many things were learned and things changed along the way - but there is a foundation of knowledge that progresses throughout the thread that is missed when the complete thread is not read. You can also do more damage to your body if you only follow certain things and not others. There are also several books that are recommended in the thread that go further into detail on the different mechanisms involved on why things like gluten, casein (dairy) and sugars do so much damage to the body and the mind. Eating small amounts of these foods don't matter as even trace amounts are enough to throw your body (or mind) out of whack.

It is a lifestyle change, and does take some effort in the beginning but you do eventually get into it and learn how to handle pretty much any situation (such as traveling) while maintaining this way of eating. Once you experience the benefits it, there is no comparing genuine health with the brief satisfaction of breads and other toxic 'foods'. I actually don't even desire those foods anymore.

You can also look at it in terms of how Gurdjieff describes impressions. Our food source is one of the most influential impressions we take into our bodies, yet we've been trained to completely detach ourselves from seeing/sensing their influence. One of the amazing things that happens with this diet is that your body resets itself and you can begin communicating with it again. It will tell you what foods it likes and what foods it doesn't. It's a very real communication and I think that will be one of the most significant 'proofs' you can get.

 

[psychic_spy]

On a romanian site i read that gluten free died is recommended only to those who suffer of celiac diasease ( those that are allergic to gluten) and certain analyses are necessary to diagnosticate it otherwise for normal people is not highly recommended to adopt a gluten free diet since some vitamins such as B1 are not present in gluten free products.
I will go do some analyses to see if i'm sick of celiac disease although i read some of the symptoms and i don't exhibit them.
But i do have cramps, and some modifications in my stool from time to time....

 

[psychic_spy]

Is there any way where i can read the book online ? LIFE Without Bread? I can't find it anywhere unless i order it or can i rely on this site alone for the information prescripted here?

I'm a bit sad that you all insist on this as long as for me , living in Romania is not an easy thing to find and buy gluten free products for the aformentioned reasons : not sufficient information, lack of customers, hight prices. Some even follow this died more like a trend or for losing weight then for being healthy and this is why there are not enough orders on gluten free products other then slices of bread and biscuits. But i do understand that on this forum it is not promoted as a trend but as an obligatory healthy way of life.
I wish i get more feedback on what i wrote about emetophobia and not just on diet ( maybe i didn't post the topic on the right thread)

 

[anart]

Read this thread - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.0.html - it's long but has all the information you need.

 

[Guardian]

Traveling can be tricky, but I've found that most restaurants will just fix you a hunk of meat the way you want it, after the waitress say's "and that's all you want?' 3 or 4 times. They're a little more insistent in California.

On a recent visit to California:

Me: "I'd like the steak dinner minus everything but the steak, cooked rare please"
Waitress: "So you just want a rare steak and nothing else?"
Me: "Yes, just throw about a pound of beef on the grill for about a minute, and then toss it on a plate... that's all I want"
Waitress: "Are you sure you wouldn't like a plain baked potato with that?"
Me: "No, just the steak please"
Waitress: "We have some fresh greens or a house salad that goes with the steak dinner?"
Me: "No thank you, (leaning towards the waitress and lowering my voice to almost a whisper) You see I'm actually a Tiger trapped in a human body, but until I find the evil wizard who cast this spell on me, can I just have the steak please?"
Waitress: "Ohhh, ahhh...yes ma'am, certainly, one rare steak."

OK, well sometimes you might have to get a bit creative for them to stop pestering you. ;D

 

[psychic_spy]

Thank you anart, i'll read it when i come back from my travel. Strangely or not i'm leaving town in a few hours, i go on vacantion with my mum and her boyfriend emethophobic and all... . I'll think about what you said here and recommended me but unless some doctors agree that i really need a gluten free diet i won't hurry myself to change my eating habits ( i'm really fine when i'm not traveling or having other stressfull situations) for the time being. And i'll kindly ask you not to be so negative with me when i take some pisces of advice with a grain of salt. Gurdjieff said that we should be critical with any opinion before engaging in following it.


Have a nice day all of you

 

[psychic_spy]

Traveling can be tricky, but I've found that most restaurants will just fix you a hunk of meat the way you want it, after the waitress say's "and that's all you want?' 3 or 4 times. They're a little more insistent in California.

On a recent visit to California:

Me: "I'd like the steak dinner minus everything but the steak, cooked rare please"
Waitress: "So you just want a rare steak and nothing else?"
Me: "Yes, just throw about a pound of beef on the grill for about a minute, and then toss it on a plate... that's all I want"
Waitress: "Are you sure you wouldn't like a plain baked potato with that?"
Me: "No, just the steak please"
Waitress: "We have some fresh greens or a house salad that goes with the steak dinner?"
Me: "No thank you, (leaning towards the waitress and lowering my voice to almost a whisper) You see I'm actually a Tiger trapped in a human body, but until I find the evil wizard who cast this spell on me, can I just have the steak please?"
Waitress: "Ohhh, ahhh...yes ma'am, certainly, one rare steak."

OK, well sometimes you might have to get a bit creative for them to stop pestering you. ;D

A bit of humor works well too , yeah

 

[anart]

And i'll kindly ask you not to be so negative with me when i take some pisces of advice with a grain of salt. Gurdjieff said that we should be critical with any opinion before engaging in following it.

I'm not being negative with you. Perhaps you could not be so hyper-sensitive? If you actually did any research on this issue, you would understand the point.

 

[SeekinTruth]

I think the point you're missing, psychic_spy, from the feedback you received about diet is that mainstream doctors are rarely knowledgeable enough about nutrition to tell you anything useful (with some rare exceptions). MD's don't have a single course in nutrition in their studies. And besides, mainstream nutritionists also give the worst advise. Just about no humans can consume grains and remain healthy.

If you read the Life Without Bread thread in its entirety and all the links and recommended books in that thread, you'll see how much REAL scientific evidence there is for the type of diet many of us have transitioned to as being the healthiest (with some adjustments for different individuals -- but the overall approach is what we're talking about). Besides all the research included in that thread, there are hundreds (if not more) forum members who've undertaken this experiment with amazing results. In the end, it is, of course, your choice. But you should do the necessary reading (on SOTT also) before you make up your mind that you know what is and is not good for your health.

 

[aragorn]

Thank you anart, i'll read it when i come back from my travel. Strangely or not i'm leaving town in a few hours, i go on vacantion with my mum and her boyfriend emethophobic and all... . I'll think about what you said here and recommended me but unless some doctors agree that i really need a gluten free diet i won't hurry myself to change my eating habits ( i'm really fine when i'm not traveling or having other stressfull situations) for the time being. And i'll kindly ask you not to be so negative with me when i take some pisces of advice with a grain of salt. Gurdjieff said that we should be critical with any opinion before engaging in following it.


Have a nice day all of you

I agree, most doctors (if not all) have very little real knowledge of dietary issues. For example, my sister and her husband are both doctors, and the whole family (5 kids) eat things that are clearly very bad for your health. Not surprisingly, they are often sick and have many other physical and mental problems.

The only solution is to research and read about these things yourself. You have been given the links to read, so "roll up your sleeves" and start reading! There's no such thing as a free lunch, you have to work for your answers (and health). To me it sounds like you're looking for excuses and doing some rationalizing why you shouldn't change anything. This is not that uncommon, but to "get out of the ditch" you have to overcome this. Or, as anart said, when you have suffered enough you are forced to change your habits - and then it can already be too late.

If you're going to purchase a book about diet and health (which I hope you do) I highly recommend 'Primal Body, Primal Mind' by Nora Gedgaudas, Permalink: http://amzn.com/1594774137
It will give you all the answers, and more. What could be more worth investing your time and money than your own health and well being?

The reason why we all are pointing out things in your diet, and not discussing your phobia, is because these two are always connected. Like the before mentioned Gedgaudas says, there's no use in getting any sort of psychological counseling etc. before you have fixed your diet (mainly eliminating gluten and casein from your diet).

 

[Laura]

I know sugar is addictive, about gluten i didn't know because i coudn't imagine it is the source of my troubles. I just didn't consider it an issue because i eat a small quantity a day, 3 slices of bread or spaghetti or potatoes i don't think is much but maybe you know better. In the future , when i'll go to the super market i'll look for non-gluten products but they are scarce here, really. I don't want to suffer , i just want to understand why it makes me sick if i eat them. I just want to understand before i engage myself in a diet since i'm not motivated enough and don't have right now the tools to be able to start with.. But i will inform myself.

There is so much research about Gluten posted here in the forum and on the Health and Wellness category of SOTT.net that you can get up to speed in a few days of reading. Where gluten in concerned, even a gram can be problematical for some very sensitive people and the sensitivities do not necessarily show up in something like an "upset stomach." Instead, it shows up as chemical imbalances in the brain, autoimmune disorders, etc.

As Anart said, your best bet is to just stick to meat and a few veggies. It makes things extremely simple. Have bacon, ham, pork chops, steak, and possibly eggs for breakfast, (fish is good too), the same along with a small salad for lunch, another bit of meat and maybe fried green beans or steamed and a sweet potato for dinner.

You aren't going to find gluten free or sugar free or "corn syrup" free products in the supermarket. Plus, you don't need "variety" though you may crave it. The fact that you crave having "different things" to eat is a sign that your body is trying desperately to get nourished because what you are eating is not nourishing and what nutrition is available is not getting to your systems because of gut problems that you can have for years and never be aware of them.

One of the biggest irritants to the intestines are veggies and foods with fiber. The research on that is here on the forum as well. Several forum members have completely cured IBS by eating paleo, limiting fiber, eliminating grains and dairy products.

But, it's your life and your body, you have to decide for yourself. But we do suggest that people get informed at the very least. Then if you want to experiment, it's up to you.

 

[shellycheval]

I'll think about what you said here and recommended me but unless some doctors agree that i really need a gluten free diet i won't hurry myself to change my eating habits

Most mainstream doctors are not educated well on diet concerns, and most mainstream media won't publish the doctors who are.

( i'm really fine when i'm not traveling or having other stressfull situations) for the time being.

My mother died at 68 of a disintegrated colon, refusing all medical treatment and advice that could have cured her, insisting "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine" until she died.

And i'll kindly ask you not to be so negative with me when i take some pisces of advice with a grain of salt.

The advice you have been given comes from solid research by many many scientists and doctors, and the experience of dozens of people here on the forum, and thousands, if not millions by now, of people out in the blogosphere.

Gurdjieff said that we should be critical with any opinion before engaging in following it.

He also said, in so many words, that people are often attached to their suffering and will continue to suffer until they are ready to not suffer. Psychological research has shown that no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince people who are emotionally attached to their beliefs to change their minds and behaviors.

So, when you are ready to feel better, then follow the advice you have been given. Until then it is pointless to argue that your diet is not harming you; we know better for having done the research necessary and having experienced the benefits of change ourselves. I suggest you arm yourself with knowledge before you continue to try to dispute a topic you do not know enough about to argue successfully.

 

[Average Joe]

I used to have a lot of anxiety around making important phone calls at work. My brain would freeze up and I couldn't think of what I needed to say, and often only gibberish would come out of my mouth. It was close to verbal vomiting. I would walk around the building and talk to people rather than getting on that damn telephone.
I noticed a coworker who was really good at talking on the phone, so I watched how he did it and just copied his style. When I made a phone call I just pretended I was him, and used his style. That took my mind off my own misconception that I had an issue with talking on the phone and allowed me to relax. Once I had a technique, phone calls ceased to be an issue.
If someone handed you a magic pill which guaranteed a complete cessation of symptoms upon swallowing it, you would most likely never have to use it.
We need to fool the mind into getting out of it's vicious loop. Once that's done, we can conquer the the fear.