Emetophobia

[Mr. Premise]

Is there any way where i can read the book online ? LIFE Without Bread? I can't find it anywhere unless i order it or can i rely on this site alone for the information prescripted here?

I'm a bit sad that you all insist on this as long as for me , living in Romania is not an easy thing to find and buy gluten free products for the aformentioned reasons : not sufficient information, lack of customers, hight prices. Some even follow this died more like a trend or for losing weight then for being healthy and this is why there are not enough orders on gluten free products other then slices of bread and biscuits. But i do understand that on this forum it is not promoted as a trend but as an obligatory healthy way of life.
I wish i get more feedback on what i wrote about emetophobia and not just on diet ( maybe i didn't post the topic on the right thread)

Forget about buying "gluten free" products. They are just as bad as the products with gluten. They usually have sugar and starches plus grains that don't contain wheat gluten but have other gluten-like proteins in them. Like Laura said, meat and vegetables (the non starchy ones) with lots of saturated fat. No more beer, either. That has gluten and lots of carbohydrates. Try it for six weeks and see how you feel.

 

[NormaRegula]

Is there any way where i can read the book online ? LIFE Without Bread? I can't find it anywhere unless i order it or can i rely on this site alone for the information prescripted here?

In a spirit of helpfulness, Anart gave you the link to the "Life Without Bread" in one of her replies on this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.0.html

I'm a bit sad that you all insist on this as long as for me , living in Romania is not an easy thing to find and buy gluten free products for the aformentioned reasons : not sufficient information, lack of customers, hight prices. Some even follow this died more like a trend or for losing weight then for being healthy and this is why there are not enough orders on gluten free products other then slices of bread and biscuits. But i do understand that on this forum it is not promoted as a trend but as an obligatory healthy way of life.

No one here is insisting that you change your diet nor is this forum's excellent research into the effects of gluten, casein (dairy) and lectin interactions within the human body obligatory. Free will is respected here...with the caveat that there are consequences to ones actions if they choose to remain ignorant and not gather knowledge on what is the best fuel for their bodies and minds.

As for Romania not being an easy place to find the right foods, I think you might be using this as an excuse to continue eating the way you always have. My Hairdresser is from Romania. She and I talk a lot about esoteric things and nutrition. She visits Romania at least twice a year to visit her family and tells me that the meat and produce from Romania is so much better than in the USA because the vegetables are grown mostly without pesticides in good soil and almost all the meat is grass-fed.

As an experiment after my Romanian Hairdresser asked why I looked so good for my age and had so much energy, she gave up gluten and dairy for 3 weeks. She felt so much better - both mentally and physically - that she decided to give them up forever. She tells me she no longer craves the pasta, bread, cheese and sweets she once thought were so important to her emotional and physical well-being. She too suffered anxiety attacks and had stomach troubles. She said the anxiety and stomach aches disappeared about 2 weeks after she gave up the gluten and dairy. She says she has more energy and can concentrate her mind so much better.

I wish i get more feedback on what i wrote about emetophobia and not just on diet ( maybe i didn't post the topic on the right thread)

By starting this thread, you were asking for help in dealing with your health via emetophobia. If you did the research that many posters here have recommended, you would see that you were given feedback and answers about emetophobia. The funny thing about asking for help is sometimes the answer is not always what the asker wants to hear...or is willing to do. Would 2 -3 weeks of your life going without gluten and dairy be worth the effort on your part it if it was the answer to your question about emetophobia?

 

[psychic_spy]

By starting this thread, you were asking for help in dealing with your health via emetophobia. If you did the research that many posters here have recommended, you would see that you were given feedback and answers about emetophobia. The funny thing about asking for help is sometimes the answer is not always what the asker wants to hear...or is willing to do. Would 2 -3 weeks of your life going without gluten and dairy be worth the effort on your part it if it was the answer to your question about emetophobia?

Yeah, you're right. But i will inform myself. I just hate diets and losing weight. I was very slim in my teen years and everyday children made fun of me because i looked and were anorexic due to my stomach pains. It just never occured to me that it was the gluten in the foods that's so bad to some people's health, mostly mental health. My mother told me that only a small portion of populaton is sensitive to gluten so they may get celiak disease that has specific symptoms. And that there are analyses that can be done to verify one's sensitivity to gluten. That's all.
I do understand now that is more then meets the eye and i have to do a lot of reading on this issue.

My 6 six days trip went fine. I had been emetophobic only the first day and that was also do to motion sickness. My mum's friend drove through a lot of winding roads and i got dizzy and nauseaus. That day we ate chicken chops , tomatoes and cheese. Strangely i succeded to overcome my phobia this time pretty fast but i also took anti-anxiety and antiemetic pills.
What bothered me though was that on the fifth day, in the evening i had severe cramps that radiated in my back. It was just awfall and it made me think about the fact that i ate 2 traditional baked cheese pies that day that probably were saturated with gluten. Your opinions had an echo in my mind back then but i tried not to obsess about them and get emetophobic.
After i'll read what you have recommended me i'll try and see what to do.

I used to have a lot of anxiety around making important phone calls at work. My brain would freeze up and I couldn't think of what I needed to say, and often only gibberish would come out of my mouth. It was close to verbal vomiting. I would walk around the building and talk to people rather than getting on that damn telephone.
I noticed a coworker who was really good at talking on the phone, so I watched how he did it and just copied his style. When I made a phone call I just pretended I was him, and used his style. That took my mind off my own misconception that I had an issue with talking on the phone and allowed me to relax. Once I had a technique, phone calls ceased to be an issue.
If someone handed you a magic pill which guaranteed a complete cessation of symptoms upon swallowing it, you would most likely never have to use it.
We need to fool the mind into getting out of it's vicious loop. Once that's done, we can conquer the the fear.

The magic pill is your own self-control i guess. Or an effective anti anxiety drug. Can't tell. I've conquered it and i enjoyed my travel but the issue can reapper on other occasion.

I like your answear. I think is more reinforcing then the comments on my diet.

I mean now.. how can your stomach cannot tolerate milk in childhood and become imune in adulthood? isn't it a mystery?

Those that are gluten sensitive are easily detected but yet, what i say here is my own subjective opinion since i haven't done yet the research that you recommended me. Now i'm just curious whether Gurdjieff ate what you recommend here.

I don't know if i enjoy suffering of stomach pains or bowel pains. They appear and disappear , sometimes for months or years and then bam , i get a whole cocktail but no doctor can tell me seriously what the cause is because my analyses are fine. It's true i haven't done yet a colonoscopy or an endoscopy to see if my intestines or stomach are damaged in one way or another. I also know many doctors and mostly romanian doctors are superficial in their diagnostics and don't treat dietery issues the way you say here. I really don't know what to say more...

 

[Iron]

The magic pill is your own self-control i guess. Or an effective anti anxiety drug. Can't tell. I've conquered it and i enjoyed my travel but the issue can reapper on other occasion.

I like your answear. I think is more reinforcing then the comments on my diet.

I mean now.. how can your stomach cannot tolerate milk in childhood and become imune in adulthood? isn't it a mystery?

If your brain is confused, how can you use "willpower" to control your fear? The wrong foods can mess with your entire system, you simply do not know the extension of the damage wrong foods con produce in anyone.
Note to you - most doctors think its "normal" that you catch seasonal flu. Its not.
Some doctors also think that diabetes - type 2 just "happens" because you have the "genetic predisposition". Not that simple.
You see most mainstream doctors are trained to recognize symptoms, and really never saw a healthy human, or have any idea of how a healthy human is supposed to be.
Bear in mind, that is truly a research forum. There are physicians and researchers (certified, not to the detriment of those who aren't) among those who post.

Another very important point is that, although Gurdjieff is a source of inspiration and was very right in many instances, his word goes not unchallenged.
So, whether he eats like this or not is irrelevant to your health, since there is a plethora of easily verifiable information (reading the suggested thread), that supports that your health, and mainly the problem that was the original focus, can be alleviated by improving your diet.
Body and mind are not separated. Bad foods can, and will, induce disturbed states.

 

[psychic_spy]

Body and mind are not separated. Bad foods can, and will, induce disturbed states.

Apparently they seem unseparated but man has to be capable to make the body obey his will. Give the body reasons to feel at ease and it won't obey you when you want to. What i state here doesn't mean we should eat junk food, bad for our health but to eat consciously.
If you read attentively my previous post you can see that for some reason i said that milk made me cramping when i was a baby and in childhood, teen years too. So i stopped drinking milk as it was normal for me to do so but now i'm 25 and one day i decided to drink again and to continue drinking to see what happens and something changed because my body accepts, tolerates milk again.

Something similar i did during my travel last week, i continued eating 3 times a day or like everyone else had even if i didn't feel good because i had doubts about certain foods that are not healthy (being nauseaous at the thought of it) and my phobia diminished. I forced my body to stop reacting to auto suggestion about food and being sick and it did. But i still don't think i found a total cure. On many occasions i feel fine but on some my obsessions get hold on me again.

Posting on this site was an attempt to find some answears on this strange occurence of my psyche. You said it is the diet but how can i know for sure since the certified researchers and doctors that post here draw a conclusion only on the basis of one's descriptions, not on a detailed physical and psycological consultation. On the other side of the coin you say mainstream doctors

''are trained to recognize symptoms, and really never saw a healthy human, or have any idea of how a healthy human is supposed to be''.

My question is the actual certified doctors on this forum are really that advanced as to identify a healthy human only on the basis of his dietery descriptions or supposed symptoms that he describes in his posts ( without obviously never having to consult the patient)?

 

[Iron]

Body and mind are not separated. Bad foods can, and will, induce disturbed states.

Apparently they seem unseparated but man has to be capable to make the body obey his will. Give the body reasons to feel at ease and it won't obey you when you want to. What i state here doesn't mean we should eat junk food, bad for our health but to eat consciously.
If you read attentively my previous post you can see that for some reason i said that milk made me cramping when i was a baby and in childhood, teen years too. So i stopped drinking milk as it was normal for me to do so but now i'm 25 and one day i decided to drink again and to continue drinking to see what happens and something changed because my body accepts, tolerates milk again.

You body still does not accept milk. Its just that you have gone so long without exposing your body to the allergen, that your body lessened the severity of the immune reaction. Just because you do not have cramps anymore, does not mean that you are no longer allergic.

 

[psychic_spy]

You body still does not accept milk. Its just that you have gone so long without exposing your body to the allergen, that your body lessened the severity of the immune reaction. Just because you do not have cramps anymore, does not mean that you are no longer allergic.

but how can i figure this out? Whether I am or not?

It was the same with cat's fur. I couldn't stand keep a cat next to me without sneezing for hours. I remember that my private teacher had a very large cat and during 2 hours of english lessons i was almost suffocating. This was in high school. 3 years ago i had a cat at my grand parents house and i loved it very much. I couldn't refrain myself from petting it or cuddling it from time to time but my allergy strangely enough diminished and i could endure a few sneezes or coughs afterwards. Now if a keep a cat in my room i don't sneeze that much. But milk was problematic back then and now i can drink 2-3 glasses at a time without no particular cramping or modification in my stool.

 

[anart]

You body still does not accept milk. Its just that you have gone so long without exposing your body to the allergen, that your body lessened the severity of the immune reaction. Just because you do not have cramps anymore, does not mean that you are no longer allergic.

but how can i figure this out? Whether I am or not?

It's very simple. All you have to do is have zero dairy products of any kind for one month - no milk, no cheese, no yogurt, no ice cream, no cream, no butter and nothing with dairy as an ingredient. Then, after one month, drink a big glass of milk and have a big piece of cheese, or bowl of ice cream or some decent amount of dairy product. You'll know very quickly how your body responds - usually within a few hours, though sometimes it can take a few days if your symptoms are more subtle.

If you're really interested in this, please read the threads that have already been suggested. No one can do it for you. If you are not interested, as you have stated, then please understand that when you bring questions like this to the forum, you are likely going to get answers that you don't like.

 

[psychic_spy]

So in order to really cure my intestines i have to yeat only meat and veggies and no diary,no carbohydrates, no sweets? This means to reduce my diet in half and more because only at lunch i eat what you suggest but in the morning and evening i eat what i shouldn't. Not counting the sweets.. :O
Rice and potatoes are not good for me either. Gee, this means practicaly a drastic change.. :/ Lots of salads !!! and i hate salad too

 

[Alana]

So in order to really cure my intestines i have to yeat only meat and veggies and no diary,no carbohydrates, no sweets? This means to reduce my diet in half and more because only at lunch i eat what you suggest but in the morning and evening i eat what i shouldn't. Not counting the sweets.. :O
Rice and potatoes are not good for me either. Gee, this means practicaly a drastic change.. :/ Lots of salads !!! and i hate salad too

Can you eat bacon, sausages and eggs? If yes, that's a great breakfast to start your day with.

Did you read the Life without Bread thread yet, as was suggested to you? If you do, and hopefully read the books that are mentioned there, specially Life without Bread and Primal Body Primal Mind, you will have more understanding of what to eat, and WHY, basically how to find solution to your digestion problems. It is not recommended that you do any drastic changes until you are aware why you are doing them, and these books/thread will help you with that.

 

[psychic_spy]

Can you eat bacon, sausages and eggs? If yes, that's a great breakfast to start your day with.

Did you read the Life without Bread thread yet, as was suggested to you? If you do, and hopefully read the books that are mentioned there, specially Life without Bread and Primal Body Primal Mind, you will have more understanding of what to eat, and WHY, basically how to find solution to your digestion problems. It is not recommended that you do any drastic changes until you are aware why you are doing them, and these books/thread will help you with that.

Bacon i do but sausages and scrambbled or boiled eggs no. On some ocasions i eat them but usually i prefer omlette. I will read the books if i can have acces to them. But for now i prefer to read what's on this site. Now i'm reading Unholy Hungers and it's quite captivating though it's not on diet.

 

[realitybugll]

Hi psychic_spy, your anxiety issues sound awful. I really hope it can be improved with diet. the IBS can be 99% chance I think.

I think cutting out gluten and dairy could help you a lot. Nothing is guaranteed, but I would advise you to give it a shot. depending on how much of your diet is gluten/dairy, you would want to supplement with meat, and fat.

I'm not sure how big of a problem your anxiety would be in the case of switching your diet. since on a paleo diet you would be eating less volume of food, maybe it is a good effect.

It's not hard to change diet. my example is you can eat 1lb of salami. that is usually 1600-2000 calories and usually a good ratio of protein to fat. no preparation and that is all you need for a day and it takes maybe 30minutes to eat. possibly longer with anxiety. When I have traveled I bring salami or other cured meats with me and it makes eating very simple. In the long-term it probably would be more healthy to find a source of grass-fed meat and fat.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

It's not hard to change diet. my example is you can eat 1lb of salami. that is usually 1600-2000 calories and usually a good ratio of protein to fat. no preparation and that is all you need for a day and it takes maybe 30minutes to eat. possibly longer with anxiety. When I have traveled I bring salami or other cured meats with me and it makes eating very simple. In the long-term it probably would be more healthy to find a source of grass-fed meat and fat.

Yeah, all the nitrates and stuff in the "cured" meat aren't so great. :)

 

[realitybugll]

I also got some no-nitrate salami one time, but the second ingredient was non-fat milk powder. it probably was not much but that salami ended up giving me stomach aches all the times I had it. It's possible to find salami without either but it might not be easy.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I've already suffered from emetophobia in my teen years.

During that period, I also suffered from intense anxiety and stress and that alone made me constantly nauseous and I also always feared I would vomit.

The only way I could overcome it was by dealing with my stress/anxiety problem.

Since then I have been sick a few times and it dosen't bother me anymore. I prefer to vomit and feel better than simply stay in a nauseous state.

I would strongly advise that you follow people's advices here before engaging in taking meds. Such drugs as diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate are common and freely sold as antiemetics but also have strong sedative and hypnotic properties.

One of both is twice as potent as the other one and I once ended up taking too much as a result. The effects were not only unpleseant but terrifying as well (delirium). I never touched it again in my life.