Emetophobia

[psychic_spy]

I would strongly advise that you follow people's advices here before engaging in taking meds. Such drugs as diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate are common and freely sold as antiemetics but also have strong sedative and hypnotic properties.

One of both is twice as potent as the other one and I once ended up taking too much as a result. The effects were not only unpleseant but terrifying as well (delirium). I never touched it again in my life.

I usually don't take any drugs but if i can't handle it very well and i have to follow a rutine of eating in restaurants when i'm on vacation i take metocopramide for stomach upset and ansilan for anxiety ( it contains medazepam and benzodiasephine)
I guess they are quite weak because i didn't feel very drowsy first time i took them. Only on the 3rd day i was sleepier then usual and then i stopped taking them and i felt good without any meds.
With my IBS i'm better ( no pains at all) when i'm not stressed at all that's why i say that i don't think diet will make any difference. The only issue will be to handle stress better and not consider this a handicap. It helps me sharing this a lot and gaining input on this issue. A few months ago i didn't even know that there are so many emethophobic people in the whole wide world...

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I would strongly advise that you follow people's advices here before engaging in taking meds. Such drugs as diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate are common and freely sold as antiemetics but also have strong sedative and hypnotic properties.

One of both is twice as potent as the other one and I once ended up taking too much as a result. The effects were not only unpleseant but terrifying as well (delirium). I never touched it again in my life.

I usually don't take any drugs but if i can't handle it very well and i have to follow a rutine of eating in restaurants when i'm on vacation i take metocopramide for stomach upset and ansilan for anxiety ( it contains medazepam and benzodiasephine)
I guess they are quite weak because i didn't feel very drowsy first time i took them. Only on the 3rd day i was sleepier then usual and then i stopped taking them and i felt good without any meds.
With my IBS i'm better ( no pains at all) when i'm not stressed at all that's why i say that i don't think diet will make any difference. The only issue will be to handle stress better and not consider this a handicap. It helps me sharing this a lot and gaining input on this issue. A few months ago i didn't even know that there are so many emethophobic people in the whole wide world...

I see. Oh boy...

You should be aware that those meds you have named are very, very bad. While they may seem to alleviate some symptoms, they are, on the other side, ruining your chemical balance and that can take a loooong time to recover. By altering this balance, you become far more vulnerable and open to attacks.

I would strongly suggest that you consider what I have just said because you may not know but you are literally poisonning yourself and dying a little more on the inside (mentally and physically) everytime you do. On top of it, they don't cure anything. They are just crutches.

The best thing in my opinion is to check out the material here that talks about health, diet and relaxation/meditation for instance. Don't be scared to read a lot, ask questions and more importantly, stay open.

I have dealt with severe anxiety, chemical addictions, severe depression and withdrawal. So I know how hard it may look or be even if I'm not specifically in your shoes. I also went through all this without any form of meds during recovery. Was hard I concur but the reward is priceless. I have never felt as good as I do now in my entire life.

May the Knowledge you gain here set you free from those demons.

Peace.

 

[anart]

With my IBS i'm better ( no pains at all) when i'm not stressed at all that's why i say that i don't think diet will make any difference. The only issue will be to handle stress better and not consider this a handicap.

Once again - IBS is ALL about diet! It is caused by diet and it can be cured by diet. Considering that you actually have this condition, it might be a good idea to get educated about it...

 

[Nienna]

With my IBS i'm better ( no pains at all) when i'm not stressed at all that's why i say that i don't think diet will make any difference. The only issue will be to handle stress better and not consider this a handicap.

Once again - IBS is ALL about diet! It is caused by diet and it can be cured by diet. Considering that you actually have this condition, it might be a good idea to get educated about it...

Ya know, I was going to write just about the same thing you did anart. But I realized that psychic_spy is so addicted to her diet that she really does not want to do what will help her the most. She is content hoping that there is a magic pill that will help her, even if, in the long run, it actually makes things worse. Let's face it, it takes a lot of work to actually take care of oneself and too many people would rather be sick than do what actually helps them.

What is a shame is how much better a person feels once they are eating what is actually healthy for them. The body, mind and emotions really respond to what is good for them. Junk food junkies have their minds and emotions too altered by the junk they eat to even care about correcting it. And by junk, I'm talking about gluten, dairy, sugars, coffee, etc. along with all the prepared junk food.

A whole lot of energy has been given to psychic_spy to try to help her with her health concerns. But she has just pushed it all away. She obviously wants to wait until she is a whole lot sicker. And by that time, it will take a whole lot longer to get better. And depending on how sick she is, it may be too late to get completely healed.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

With my IBS i'm better ( no pains at all) when i'm not stressed at all that's why i say that i don't think diet will make any difference. The only issue will be to handle stress better and not consider this a handicap.

I am sorry but this is untrue. Dealing with stress is important but without applying any changes to your diet, you may find this close to impossible especially with all the chemicals you ingest as crutches. These meds don't cure crap. At all. They kill you.

Tell me, why don't you think that diet will make any diffrence? On what kind of knowledge is this based?

And tell me, how do you think you are ever going to deal with stress and anxiety if you simply take meds instead of working on the issues? Are you even aware of what it does to your body?

Once again - IBS is ALL about diet! It is caused by diet and it can be cured by diet. Considering that you actually have this condition, it might be a good idea to get educated about it...

Absolutely.

There is plenty of informations here. And a LOT of educated people.

 

[psychic_spy]

What is a shame is how much better a person feels once they are eating what is actually healthy for them. The body, mind and emotions really respond to what is good for them. Junk food junkies have their minds and emotions too altered by the junk they eat to even care about correcting it. And by junk, I'm talking about gluten, dairy, sugars, coffee, etc. along with all the prepared junk food.

A whole lot of energy has been given to psychic_spy to try to help her with her health concerns. But she has just pushed it all away. She obviously wants to wait until she is a whole lot sicker. And by that time, it will take a whole lot longer to get better. And depending on how sick she is, it may be too late to get completely healed.

I don't push it all the way, i don't want to offend anyone. I just want to document myself, that's all but yes is true that i don't want to change my diet unless i'm sure as hell it is poisoning me. It was the same with smoking. I used to smoke , i've been an astmathic, i loved smoking.. one day it came to my mind to quit and i did it ( i didn't have to be sick as hell, i just didn't feel good about it anymore because it had a bad taste and i had a bit of a nausea and bad breath afterwards). Now i don't smoke anymore since 2 months . i had no withdrawl symptoms. With IBS it's a different cup of tea though.
I just had one doctor, my family doctor who told me i had this ( without colonoscopy or barium inverstigations to point that it is true). But I kept a diet when i was 13 years because i had severe cramps and for 2 months i didn't eat bread and diary producs and sugars. i felt no difference back then and i also lost a lot of weight. Now i'm afraid if i reduce my eating habits to what you imply here i will be slim as hell. I really cannot even imagine how it will be like. I do know that i'm wrong and i'm sorry you feel pushed away with you're advice here but if my heart is not in to it how can i continue to put any efforts into changing my eating habits ? Some of you even use strong language such as is killing you, you're poisoning yourself. This reminds me a bit of the messages on the cigarettes pack that show images of lung cancer, death and destruction and they are so extreme that far from concerning anyone they just exaggerate to the extent it pisses people off but don't help them quit.

I tried to read the thread indicated here but i only read the first page since i couldn't relate to what's being written there.And the book i can't order it right now since i first wwant to get a job. i hope i can find it or find something similar to a second hand book shop.

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[psychic_spy]

Tell me, why don't you think that diet will make any diffrence? On what kind of knowledge is this based?

And tell me, how do you think you are ever going to deal with stress and anxiety if you simply take meds instead of working on the issues? Are you even aware of what it does to your body?

Once again - IBS is ALL about diet! It is caused by diet and it can be cured by diet. Considering that you actually have this condition, it might be a good idea to get educated about it...

There is plenty of informations here. And a LOT of educated people.

I just said i don't take meds. I only took ansilan pills for 3 damn days when i was traveling. I usually don't take any kind of pills or crutches. Is it clear now?
As far as my emetophobia goes, i only have it when i'm abroad or traveling far away or being in extremy stressful situations such as long periods of exams exams and love affairs or break ups. I have cramps por nausea but nothing more then this. I have a healthy appetite and i don't feel sick when i'm not troubled.

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[psychic_spy]

I just try to think about it, to imagine that i start a diet and it goes ok but after 2 weeks i'm invited out with my friends. We will have to eat in a restaurant something delicious but i'm on diet. What will i do then since i go out very rarely, only when it's a special occasion mostly. So i'm on diet and i have to refuse the food there because is junk? Or will i break my diet habits and then go all over again?

Life here in my country is drab anyway, people enjoy food and drink because it is sometimes the only thing that makes them feel better. On holidays many people feast a lot ( before the holiday start) and after the feast is over they binge untill they go to hospital. I stronly disagree with it but i try to understand that for some people diet only makes things worse because their will is not so strong or they are not motivated enough to keep a diet all their life ( and accept the fact that they are sick enough to have to keep it forever). Unless you suffer you cannot see the importance of a specific way of living and behaving.

When you talk here about commiting to this kind of life do you take in consideration that maybe, except from being uneducated about living a healthy life in your view, i'm also ignorant enough about what really means to be painless both physically and emotionally?

 

[paralleloscope]

I do know that i'm wrong and i'm sorry you feel pushed away with you're advice here but if my heart is not in to it how can i continue to put any efforts into changing my eating habits ?

I don't know if you can. Your mind seems absent or going in loops to not understand what is really being said. I can relate to not finding dietary topics extremely intriguing (if that's why you can't relate to LWB thread) and probably would have ignored diet education if it were not for an understanding that our physical, emotional, intellectual and spiritual growth is truly stunted by ignorance in this department.

I don't think anyone is taking your refusal to get educated personally, though it can be frustrating to watch someone you think is asking or curious, to 'fight' the help rather than investigating. It seems neither your heart or your mind is into helping you, but is invested in fighting to uphold your beliefs. Which is your choice of course, but I'm starting to see this thread as an energy thief.

Have you read some of the books on narcissism yet? There are many clues in there which could ground some of esoteric stuff you've been reading (for instance buffers and their dynamics, e.g feeling misunderstood and hypersensitivity)

When you talk here about commiting to this kind of life do you take in consideration that maybe, except from being uneducated about living a healthy life in your view, i'm also ignorant enough about what really means to be painless both physically and emotionally?

I think you are generally not seeing a bigger picture. This forum and Sott.net has some of the most valuable research, information and knowledge available in the world, which you haven't discovered yet, maybe it's an issue of maturity. Yes we all have to gather our own knowledge in our own pace, just remember we are hypnotized to not really seek it, as well as to believe in all kinds of rubbish like: ' there is your truth and then there's mine' (subjective tunnel vision). All this was offered as honest feedback not as an effort to spite you.

 

[anart]

psychic spy, it's very simple. Changing your diet will improve your physical and mental health enormously - that is a fact. Period.

It's your life and it's up to you. If you don't want to change your diet, then don't. It's your decision and no one elses. Just please stop posting on this forum with questions about your health when you refuse to take the advice given. It is a waste of time and energy to continue to post about this when you have no intention of taking the advice given, advice based on scientific, proven, fact.

We have neither the time nor the inclination to convince you of anything - that's not how it works. At some point in your life you may become so ill that you reconsider your decision, but until then, please understand that we are not here to convince you and your continued posts on this topic, when it is very clear that you've made up your mind, are unnecessary.

 

[psychic_spy]

T o Parallel

I do know that i'm wrong and i'm sorry you feel pushed away with you're advice here but if my heart is not in to it how can i continue to put any efforts into changing my eating habits ?

I don't know if you can. Your mind seems absent or going in loops to not understand what is really being said. I can relate to not finding dietary topics extremely intriguing (if that's why you can't relate to LWB thread) and probably would have ignored diet education if it were not for an understanding that our physical, emotional, intellectual and spiritual growth is truly stunted by ignorance in this department.

I don't think anyone is taking your refusal to get educated personally, though it can be frustrating to watch someone you think is asking or curious, to 'fight' the help rather than investigating. It seems neither your heart or your mind is into helping you, but is invested in fighting to uphold your beliefs. Which is your choice of course, but I'm starting to see this thread as an energy thief.

If you do, let's end it ( on this thread being an energy thief) but i promise to educate myself thoroughly on ''Why is Low carb diet of major importance in being a real healthy human being'' Really!!!! It pissed me off enough to incite my interest from now on. Now I feel it. I also guess ( i'm not documented on this but i's my intuition that tells me), is your beliefs that don't want to be challenged on this issue then mine because you've been creating a habit of thinking that some high quality food will make miracles to your bodies, mind and soul on the gurdjieffian way. I for one, if anyone will tell me that eating a kg of flies and bugs a day will cure my flatulence in 6 months forever i'll f.....g do it, it's not a big issue to let go when you're desperate but know for sure it's the right way. But for the time being i cannot understand the benefits in this case.

Now i read again on the thread about ''Life without bread '' and it's still a dread, everytime i do it's dreadffull. ;D You don't have to go the whole hog right away because low carbs over night give you extreme diarrhoea, you'll experience starvation untill your bodY will get used to produce ketons, fatigue, pain and migrains are there untill you find the right balance between your body needs and the perfect 72 carbs a day or 60 if i got that straight.

Yeah my mind goes in loops , i want to get to the point faster then i can walk and that's why people get the feeling i defy them, mostly people more experienced, educated and older then myself. I'm sorry if i have such strong views, i just hope i can figure out later the details of some points.

[quote author=parallel]
Have you read some of the books on narcissism yet? There are many clues in there which could ground some of esoteric stuff you've been reading (for instance buffers and their dynamics, e.g feeling misunderstood and hypersensitivity)
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Now i'm reading ''Unholy hungers'' and yes i first of all read Mask of Sanity by Cleckley, then Snakes in Suits. Good books and yes they gave me the chills. I could see the narcissitic evilness both in others and in myself. I tried to make some adjustements in my life to keep malignant narcissists at bay but I keep my scepticism concerning these books. Some of them depict such dramatic stories ( Unholy hungers) that is sometimes better to appeal to buffers then believe it can happen to you as well. Everytime i read them i become extremly paranoid about people around me or my own dark side that i find unreasonable to act with extreme prudence as to detect the smallest hint about someone being less of a narcissist then another. Maybe reality is not such a dark and psychopatic place to be after all. Do you rather think otherwise? Should i wake up everyday or go out and socialize with this thought in my head ''Who's the narcissistic of all?''

[quote author=parallel]
I think you are generally not seeing a bigger picture. This forum and Sott.net has some of the most valuable research, information and knowledge available in the world, which you haven't discovered yet, maybe it's an issue of maturity. Yes we all have to gather our own knowledge in our own pace, just remember we are hypnotized to not really seek it, as well as to believe in all kinds of rubbish like: ' there is your truth and then there's mine' (subjective tunnel vision). All this was offered as honest feedback not as an effort to spite you. [/quote]


Yes i agree it's an issue of maturity and experience and maybe a gap between generations. I study astrology and people born in the 60' -70' have Pluto in Virgo and they are concerned about nutrition and making important changes there for advancement of all. In the light of Pluto in Virgo i do understand why many of you ( presuming you are older then me and born in the 60'70 mostly) need to adress this issue in terms of change your food or get ill or die. Pluto is always like this. My mum is also born during that period and she's very concerned too, but not keeping any diet. She seems not to have health issues or stomach issues at all so she can afford to eat whatever she likes. She likes ftuits mostly and salads so that's what she eats since i know here and she sounds sound enough to me.

On the other side i do not agree that i'm hypnotised not to seek knowledge. Is the same as saying , you have no free will since you're made by external influences what you are today. I agree in Gurdjieff's way that i'm apparantly a machine , yet i have a chance to and have an open mind to stop behaving like a machine. I came here wanting to understand Gurdjieff and Esoteric knowledge better and expand my conscience but i have never experienced such negative feelings while reading Gurdjieff and Uspenski on my own then when i'm being offered feedback on this forum. Except the thread about asking for bibliograpgy on Gurdjieff which was indeed a blessing at that time, any other issues adressed here by me have been met with what i would perceive as a negative attitude.

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[paralleloscope]

Maybe reality is not such a dark and psychopatic place to be after all. Do you rather think otherwise? Should i wake up everyday or go out and socialize with this thought in my head ''Who's the narcissistic of all?''

'Trapped in the mirror' and 'Narcissistic family' are the ones that really gives insight into ones own programming IMO, they will go along way in lending understanding to how we become so twisted and self centered. It's a pathological and darkened state of mind no matter how we dress it up but the point is not to hit yourself or others with it. Or to focus on other peoples pathology for the sake of judgement but rather understand them, to see them in context and still care as much as possible but also know when not to give anymore.

On the other side i do not agree that i'm hypnotised not to seek knowledge. Is the same as saying , you have no free will since you're made by external influences what you are today. I agree in Gurdjieff's way that i'm apparantly a machine , yet i have a chance to and have an open mind to stop behaving like a machine. I came here wanting to understand Gurdjieff and Esoteric knowledge better and expand my conscience but i have never experienced such negative feelings while reading Gurdjieff and Uspenski on my own then when i'm being offered feedback on this forum. Except the thread about asking for bibliograpgy on Gurdjieff which was indeed a blessing at that time, any other issues adressed here by me have been met with what i would perceive as a negative attitude.

Well you've bought into a pathologicaly mediated reality image in one way or another (giving credence to mainstream myths), that could be said to be a hypnotic influence holding you back. We are physically wired to feel certainty in our own beliefs wether we have ground for it or not, not feeling certainty will stress you. Breaking down all the lies we've been told/assimilated and substituting for knowledge will most probably be painful.

Regarding reading G. vs. your negative perception of feedback here may relate to a hypersensitivity in part I think, and perhaps also your probably not used to straigth answers without the normal mincing of words (not upsetting the status quo). Main difference should be that you're reading a book which does not give feedback to what your reading, here we strive for objective feedback which isn't nice for the false personality (which thrives on defunct thinking and emotions) but beneficial for a struggling essence.

 

[Iron]

The only reason you perceive the advice given as negativity, is because it was not what you wanted to hear.
You wanted to hear - "there is this pill or herb, take it X times and you will be better."
We gave you an alternative to your problems, problems that you even do not suspect you have.
Yet your addiction to your status quo came kicking and screaming.
You want to remain the same, and change. That cannot happen.
But make no mistake, no one here is sad, or mad, or trying to bash you. This sort of thing happens all the time. You are free to do what you see fit. People will not abstain from giving you advice on other threads based on what transpired on this thread, unless that pattern of behaviour proves consistent, and you show that your knowledge cup is full.
Goodspeed.

 

[obyvatel]

Now i'm reading ''Unholy hungers'' and yes i first of all read Mask of Sanity by Cleckley, then Snakes in Suits. Good books and yes they gave me the chills. I could see the narcissitic evilness both in others and in myself. I tried to make some adjustements in my life to keep malignant narcissists at bay but I keep my scepticism concerning these books. Some of them depict such dramatic stories ( Unholy hungers) that is sometimes better to appeal to buffers then believe it can happen to you as well. Everytime i read them i become extremly paranoid about people around me or my own dark side that i find unreasonable to act with extreme prudence as to detect the smallest hint about someone being less of a narcissist then another. Maybe reality is not such a dark and psychopatic place to be after all. Do you rather think otherwise? Should i wake up everyday or go out and socialize with this thought in my head ''Who's the narcissistic of all?''

It is not a good thing if you "become extremely paranoid" after reading these books. Becoming paranoid is not the reason why the books are recommended. Like the diet, it seems that the recommended reading here is not suitable for you at this time. There is nothing wrong with that. It could just be a maturity thing.

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On the other side i do not agree that i'm hypnotised not to seek knowledge. Is the same as saying , you have no free will since you're made by external influences what you are today. I agree in Gurdjieff's way that i'm apparantly a machine , yet i have a chance to and have an open mind to stop behaving like a machine. I came here wanting to understand Gurdjieff and Esoteric knowledge better and expand my conscience but i have never experienced such negative feelings while reading Gurdjieff and Uspenski on my own then when i'm being offered feedback on this forum. Except the thread about asking for bibliograpgy on Gurdjieff which was indeed a blessing at that time, any other issues adressed here by me have been met with what i would perceive as a negative attitude.
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Maybe this forum is not suitable for your needs at present?

 

[psychic_spy]

It is not a good thing if you "become extremely paranoid" after reading these books. Becoming paranoid is not the reason why the books are recommended. Like the diet, it seems that the recommended reading here is not suitable for you at this time. There is nothing wrong with that. It could just be a maturity thing.

Maybe this forum is not suitable for your needs at present?

And what do you imply by saying this ? shouldn't i post here anymore or stop reading anything what's in here? I read what i can understand and eventually i have to be well informed in order to express my views i agree. But it seems i'll never be informed enough to be given credit for.