alpha_wheel said:
it has a very positive feel to me... you must like things to be packaged a certain way. think about *that* one for a while ;)
Why should we care what it "feels" like to you? Why is that in any way a criteria? People "feel" things all the time. So what? Most of those "feelings" are programmed responses to stimuli and are nothing more than a mechanical reaction. Most people aren't "feeling" anything; they are being "felt" in the sense that it is a completely passive and automatic experience. Until the three lower centres are brought into balance, when the intellect can inform the sentiments of the heart, those feelings are worthless as a basis for judgement.
I know people who "feel" the Maharaji is a manifestation of the Divine. I know other people who "feel" that there is nothing more than the material world in front of their eyes. I know others who "feel" that George W. Bush is doing a great job.
alpha_wheel said:
and when you talk about 'seeing reality as it is'... which reality are you referring to, exactly?
Obviously, you kow little or nothing of our work if you need to ask this question. It is therefore not surprising that you can't participate intelligently in the discussion here. By that, I mean that you haven't read the material so you don't know what we are talking about, don't know the previous discussions on this type of material, and are unable to bring any new data that might help us reformulate our hypotheses.
The reality is the one in which we are born, grow, and die. It is that reality we are here to understand and figure out. We are here to learn to discern between the Creative force and the Entropic force. To think any of us are above it because we have learned that "we are all one" or that "god is in everything" or because we can do some psychic tricks is to fall into a trap. We may have a spark of divinity within us, but we are not yet at the level where we can act as if we were god by ignoring the character of the different manifestations in this world.
Therefore, we have to get down and dirty in this world and learn about psychopathy and understand the very real possibility that half of the population of this planet have no soul potential and will never understand what it is we are talking about. We have to learn to defend ourselves from psychopathic forms of behaviour, predators, and used spiritual training salesmen by developing our ability to discern the true from the false and to recognise the signs of a false teaching, among other things.
alpha_wheel said:
i don't see anyone who's vehemently opposed to questioning... call the 800 number to rant and crusade against them... i'm sure they'll be happy to elucidate whatever misconceptions you have and diffuse the sour taste in your mouth. (i hope you see the humor in that)
i mean, if you're going to maintain that you can question it... then i'll maintain that i can question your perspective or anyone else's :)
If you are going to come here and question us, then take the time to read the material on our website, Laura's books, and all of the discussions on the forum before formulating your question. If you had done your homework, you would understand that the type of teaching you are promoting has been discussed
ad nauseum.
If you "feel" that there is something different about Higher Balance, then read when we have to say on other such teachings and bring new data to show us where and how it is different. That would be a constructive contribution to the conversation. Your subjective impressions add nothing to a discussion that is on-going in our work for years. But if you have no idea what that discussion has entailed, then you are in no position to comment upon it.
alpha_wheel said:
and so appropriately...
if you're going to knock something down, at least put something substantial in its place.
Our web site discusses in great depth our approach to the work. It is absolutely nothing to do with subjective statements appealing to how one "feels" about a teaching or not. The goal of our work is to arrive at an objective as possible understanding of reality. That requires working with others and overcoming one's subjectivity, not enshrining it.
alpha_wheel said:
it just seems like all this questioning and scrutiny has become pathological and you have forgotten what value can be found in innocence... in trusting yourself to take the RIGHT ACTION in your desire for awakening. screw the delivery system.. it doesn't matter.
This statement shows you understand nothing of the hyperdimensional reality in which we live. We are all being manipulated on levels that we can't comprehend. Thoughts, ideas, feelings and impressions can be implanted in us in order to influence our thinking and feelings. That is why a group is needed, a group where our impressions can be compared with others.
You can't possibly trust yourself to take RIGHT ACTION in these circumstances. Sometimes you will; sometimes you won't. Only by tuning your reading instrument with the aid of others can you slowly and over time develop the ability to "trust" yourself. But before that, you have to understand that your mind is not your own and that you cannot trust it at all.
alpha_wheel said:
TRUE knowledge and liberation are not going to be found in the splitting of hairs and semantic psuedo-science. where's the pragmatic injunction? where is the ACTION you are recommending that i try in order to find what i seek most?
Nothing you have said here so far gives me any idea that you are capable of DOing anything. To understand what I mean by that, I refer you to
In Search of the Miraculous by Ouspensky.
alpha_wheel said:
what things in my experience am i overlooking that could possibly set off a chain reaction of epiphanies that lead to my enlightenment?
Who cares about enlightenment. Who sez that what we need is "enlightenment"?
If this is what you have received from Higher Balance, what are YOU actually DOing? How are you applying your "enlightenment"? How are you giving back to Creation and the Universe?
alpha_wheel said:
what do you have to offer a seeker that will show them how to experience for themselves? armchair skepticism? i'm sorry, but sitting back and thwarting everything you have an aversion to sort of shows me where you're coming from now, doesn't it? i realize this is just a front that i am seeing and that there is REAL depth to you... but, if its all about "inner growth and transformation" here... i find it a bit dissapointing that this is all that the inner growing and transforming has done for you.
If you are interested in this, seriously interested, there are thousands of pages on our web sites describing it.
alpha_wheel said:
i can honestly sympathize with you though. although it seems to me that the person i'd really like to hear from is wilecoyote *
Then why don't you start your own discussion forum on this topic on your own website and invite wilecoyote to discuss it there?
alpha_wheel said:
if this is the general climate of this group when something different steps in... and if this is all your spiritual practices have inspired in you as a way to interact with others and assimilate/adapt to new things... if this is as open-minded as it gets... well.... umm... yikes!
Being open-minded doesn't mean accepting anything and everything that comes across your path. It doesn't mean allowing any and every idea presented here to go unchallenged.
If the "new thing" is the same old, tired, subjective product that we've seen in other forms, we aren't interested. If it works for you, that's fine. Go start a forum about it and allow people to come and post there. Here, we have another way of working, and your sales job, masked as just wanting to talk, isn't wanted.
Before we assimilate something, we need to make certain that it isn't a Lie. Part of finding that out is putting the ideas and those who brandish them to the test.
So far, you're not doing very well.
If that isn't comfortable for you, too bad.
