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Jedi Master
LORD OF THE FLIES - WITH INCENSE
by Lorin Roche
In nature, predators are attracted by the presence of prey. Whenever
there is a herd of beings, there will be predators watching with
fascination, studying the prey very attentively. Predators pay special
attention to anything wounded or young or vulnerable-seeming. When an
animal is about to give birth and just after, they are vulnerable, and
the newborn is easy pickings.
Spiritual Predators
When there is a watering hole that the animals have to come to, there
are also predators of various types who lie in wait to feed on those
who come for water. An ashram, spiritual center, meditation school,
church, temple, is a watering hole. A place where people come to drink
the water of life.
Train yourself to perceive that people are the same everywhere. If
every office of ten employees has a backstabber, a vicious gossip, a
betrayer who will use you to get ahead, an abusive boss, a sexual
predator, and a couple of people who are just trying to do a good job,
then it is the same in whatever spiritual center you walk into. The
difference is that usually spiritual people have better camouflage,
they have learned to adjust their spots and markings and coloration to
blend into the environment.
What is Your Instinctive Response?
Train yourself to notice your instinctive response when someone is
paying "special attention" to you. What is that flicker in your
nerves? What is your first, split-second impression? What is your next
thought? This is really all you have to go by. Once that first tenth
of a second has passed, you will be in the realm of second-guessing
yourself, and then you'll be lost. In any spiritual group, you will be
continually surrounded by people who have black belts in psychological
judo. Anything you say or don't say can be used to trap you into their
web of words.
Predators will travel to follow the herd. In the human world,
pickpockets go to the great tourist centers, because there are lots of
opportunities to practice their craft. When there is going to be a
gathering, such as the Cannes Film Festival, the pickpockets are among
the first to make hotel reservations, a year ahead. Thousands of
pickpockets from all over Europe converge on the festival, because of
the rich pickings. There are now spiritually-oriented pickpockets, who
go to spiritual gatherings and loot the attendees of their money,
energy, belief, and trust. Meditation and yoga have become so
successful that they are attracting increasing numbers of
bloodsuckers.
It is the same with gatherings for "spiritual" purposes. It is best to
assume people are the same everywhere. An ashram, church, or spiritual
group is going to be much like any office, and is going to have its
share of manipulative managers, demented clerks, sexual predators,
gossips, backstabbers, and incompetents in authority.
The Internal Net
The Internet has its share of sexual and financial predators. So does
every internal - net organization: workshop centers, churches,
meditation schools, yoga retreats. All these places promise you access
to your inner life, to your soul.
The Wolf
Sometimes the teacher or preacher is the main predator, there to prey
upon your desire for transformation. They have the biggest teeth, and
take their choice of the cuts of meat, eating your brain or internal
organs, and leaving the rest of your body for the jackals and
vultures.
The Black Widow
When you walk into her workshop, psychotherapy office, seminar, she
feels her web tingle. The great thing about self-help techniques is
that you can get your victims to wrap themselves up in your web, and
they will then wait there for you to come around and drink their
juices.
While you are busy praying or meditating or confessing, she can study
your weak points and plan how to insert her stinger in to inject a
nerve toxin. Then while you are immobilized, drink your blood. Then
lay some eggs in your body, which will hatch. Or use you as a
recruiting tool.
The Sheep Shearer
There is a reason why meditation centers have so much land and money.
All successful gurus have adept con men and con women around them.
When you walk into the room, they can look at you and estimate with
considerable accuracy your net worth, and the percentage of that
wealth they might be able to get you to "donate" to the guru.
You may not ever even meet the person who has planned how to
manipulate you. The con woman won't herself necessarily become your
NBF, New Best Friend. She will send someone else, male or female, to
do that job. She might even arrange for you to meet your "soul mate."
Such a con might take several years to evolve, and the divorce, with a
good share of community property, may already be planned from the
beginning.
The Dominatrix
Domination/Submission games rule the spiritual world, for better or
worse. There is a lot of groveling. Wherever there is the idea of
bowing down to someone, or following an authority, there are going to
be master/slave specialists, people who feed on the energy involved in
bondage, domination and submission.
Benevolent Predators
Predators can be the best teachers. Because they are so desperate and
hungry for their particular food, they may work extra hard to create
the conditions that attract a herd. The predator may create the
watering hole in order to draw in prey animals, and only devour one in
ten. So most of the herd benefits from the presence of the water.
I was once taking a workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and one of the
assistants kept coming around every half an hour to bust me on
something or other. She was trying to nudge me into signing up for the
next workshop, very expensive. Finally I looked at her and said, "I
have an image of you wearing a skimpy outfit, high heels, with a
whip."
She laughed and said, "That's me."
"That's what?" I asked.
"I used to be a dominatrix," she said, "Now I like doing this," and walked away.
Later, I had to ask someone what a dominatrix is. I'd never heard of
the concept.
http://www.lorinroche.com/page8/page134/page134.html
by Lorin Roche
In nature, predators are attracted by the presence of prey. Whenever
there is a herd of beings, there will be predators watching with
fascination, studying the prey very attentively. Predators pay special
attention to anything wounded or young or vulnerable-seeming. When an
animal is about to give birth and just after, they are vulnerable, and
the newborn is easy pickings.
Spiritual Predators
When there is a watering hole that the animals have to come to, there
are also predators of various types who lie in wait to feed on those
who come for water. An ashram, spiritual center, meditation school,
church, temple, is a watering hole. A place where people come to drink
the water of life.
Train yourself to perceive that people are the same everywhere. If
every office of ten employees has a backstabber, a vicious gossip, a
betrayer who will use you to get ahead, an abusive boss, a sexual
predator, and a couple of people who are just trying to do a good job,
then it is the same in whatever spiritual center you walk into. The
difference is that usually spiritual people have better camouflage,
they have learned to adjust their spots and markings and coloration to
blend into the environment.
What is Your Instinctive Response?
Train yourself to notice your instinctive response when someone is
paying "special attention" to you. What is that flicker in your
nerves? What is your first, split-second impression? What is your next
thought? This is really all you have to go by. Once that first tenth
of a second has passed, you will be in the realm of second-guessing
yourself, and then you'll be lost. In any spiritual group, you will be
continually surrounded by people who have black belts in psychological
judo. Anything you say or don't say can be used to trap you into their
web of words.
Predators will travel to follow the herd. In the human world,
pickpockets go to the great tourist centers, because there are lots of
opportunities to practice their craft. When there is going to be a
gathering, such as the Cannes Film Festival, the pickpockets are among
the first to make hotel reservations, a year ahead. Thousands of
pickpockets from all over Europe converge on the festival, because of
the rich pickings. There are now spiritually-oriented pickpockets, who
go to spiritual gatherings and loot the attendees of their money,
energy, belief, and trust. Meditation and yoga have become so
successful that they are attracting increasing numbers of
bloodsuckers.
It is the same with gatherings for "spiritual" purposes. It is best to
assume people are the same everywhere. An ashram, church, or spiritual
group is going to be much like any office, and is going to have its
share of manipulative managers, demented clerks, sexual predators,
gossips, backstabbers, and incompetents in authority.
The Internal Net
The Internet has its share of sexual and financial predators. So does
every internal - net organization: workshop centers, churches,
meditation schools, yoga retreats. All these places promise you access
to your inner life, to your soul.
The Wolf
Sometimes the teacher or preacher is the main predator, there to prey
upon your desire for transformation. They have the biggest teeth, and
take their choice of the cuts of meat, eating your brain or internal
organs, and leaving the rest of your body for the jackals and
vultures.
The Black Widow
When you walk into her workshop, psychotherapy office, seminar, she
feels her web tingle. The great thing about self-help techniques is
that you can get your victims to wrap themselves up in your web, and
they will then wait there for you to come around and drink their
juices.
While you are busy praying or meditating or confessing, she can study
your weak points and plan how to insert her stinger in to inject a
nerve toxin. Then while you are immobilized, drink your blood. Then
lay some eggs in your body, which will hatch. Or use you as a
recruiting tool.
The Sheep Shearer
There is a reason why meditation centers have so much land and money.
All successful gurus have adept con men and con women around them.
When you walk into the room, they can look at you and estimate with
considerable accuracy your net worth, and the percentage of that
wealth they might be able to get you to "donate" to the guru.
You may not ever even meet the person who has planned how to
manipulate you. The con woman won't herself necessarily become your
NBF, New Best Friend. She will send someone else, male or female, to
do that job. She might even arrange for you to meet your "soul mate."
Such a con might take several years to evolve, and the divorce, with a
good share of community property, may already be planned from the
beginning.
The Dominatrix
Domination/Submission games rule the spiritual world, for better or
worse. There is a lot of groveling. Wherever there is the idea of
bowing down to someone, or following an authority, there are going to
be master/slave specialists, people who feed on the energy involved in
bondage, domination and submission.
Benevolent Predators
Predators can be the best teachers. Because they are so desperate and
hungry for their particular food, they may work extra hard to create
the conditions that attract a herd. The predator may create the
watering hole in order to draw in prey animals, and only devour one in
ten. So most of the herd benefits from the presence of the water.
I was once taking a workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and one of the
assistants kept coming around every half an hour to bust me on
something or other. She was trying to nudge me into signing up for the
next workshop, very expensive. Finally I looked at her and said, "I
have an image of you wearing a skimpy outfit, high heels, with a
whip."
She laughed and said, "That's me."
"That's what?" I asked.
"I used to be a dominatrix," she said, "Now I like doing this," and walked away.
Later, I had to ask someone what a dominatrix is. I'd never heard of
the concept.
http://www.lorinroche.com/page8/page134/page134.html
purplehaze
Jedi Master
PREDATORS AS PART OF NATURE
by Lorin Roche
Predators are part of nature and are everywhere on every level of
society. In the field of meditation, the predators have been having a
field day because their prey are not on guard. Vampires are a type of
predator that specialize in sucking blood. I do not mean literally, as
in biting someone, but on the level of energy. There are people who
know how to absorb the vitality of others, feed off their life force.
In every environment you are in, it is useful to be alert to the
presence of predators, as part of your everyday awareness. It's
painful to lose the idealized awareness that we used to have – like
the fantasy of the 50's, when a mother or father could trust that if
you send your child to kindergarten, they are safe; if you send your
child to church, they are being taught spirituality; and when you send
your child off to join the army, that they will fight only in just
wars. We know now that there are sexual, spiritual and financial
predators in every school, church, boy scout troop, and military
organization. It is painful and disillusioning to know these things.
But it is more painful to be stung by a vampire and not even know what
just happened.
Meditation, yoga, and alternative health practices are now part of
mainstream America, and so vampires, who like to be in positions of
authority and respect, have been migrating into positions as gurus,
yoga teachers, and acupuncturists. What great environments to drink
blood! Predators are always very aware of camouflage, and what better
situation than to be a guru, acupuncturist, or yoga teacher?
Meditation is so beneficial that people are distracted by this
wonderful thing, and do not know how to notice when they are being
vamped on.
In alternative health, it is very difficult if not impossible to know
if the practitioner is giving you treatments that weaken you in order
to keep you coming back for more. It's hard enough even in
scientifically-based Western medicine to assess what really works and
not be harmed by iatrogenic effects.
Vampires are often the most entertaining, hypnotic, and alluring
spiritual teachers and Christian preachers. They are playing a more
complex game than just what they are doing on the surface. They are
using their position to cruise for victims, and simultaneously just
daring you to catch them. And there are lots of people who want to
have their blood sucked, and become submissive to a Dominant. Vampires
are dead inside, but because of this they become exquisitely skilled
at manipulating other people's vitality. A vampire's charisma actually
does not come from within – it comes from the fervor of their devotees
and followers, who are in a state of delicious submission to the
Master, Preacher, Teacher, guru.
If you do spot a vampire, never let on that you are seeing. Just go
your way. If a vampire senses that you are onto her tricks, she or he
will start to set up ways to destroy you. And never get into a fight
with a vampire – there is no way you can match the fury with which
they will defend their turf. Only a mother defending her child can
match a vampire for fury.
The blood-sucking nature of vampires is not their most dangerous
trait. When feeding, they mostly want to steal your extra vitality and
your money. Secondarily they want to wield power over you. You can
recover from being drained, and make more money.
The truly dangerous aspect of "predators who use fangs" is their venom
– it's what they inject into you. Venom is of several types: to
paralyze, as in a neurotoxin, so that you are immobilized; to
predigest you, so they can devour you, and toxic waste. People who are
oriented to feeding off others also shit into them. Gurus and
spiritual leaders and others in the position of teacher build up toxic
shame and guilt, which they have to get rid of by excreting into their
followers or students. They select people to take a dump on, and they
make this process look like "busting the person's ego," or "teaching
them a lesson." At worst, it can take up to a year to recover from
being drained, if the vampire drinks deeply. You can recover, and the
worst thing is all the time you wasted. But if you are one of the
people the vampire/guru/teacher has selected to excrete her waste
products into, it can be a seven-to-ten year process to recover. For
the past 30 years, I have worked with a lot of meditators who are
"leaving their guru," or have just left an ashram. The people who have
gotten dumped on have a much harder road to recovery than the people
who were just drained of vitality and money.
I recommend developing a relaxed alertness to the presence of
predators. Hypervigilance and cynicism are tiresome. Walk through the
forest and enjoy yourself, and train yourself to listen to your
instincts and be observant.
Interview with the Vampire
It was a brilliant insight on the part of Anne Rice to have the
vampires in her novels be radiant and sexy. Although undead, when they
kill someone they shimmer with the life-force of the person whose
blood they just drank. An amount of life-force enough to keep someone
alive for 80 years, a vampire will burn off in a couple of days,
glowing all the while with superhuman vitality. Vampires are like
black holes - you can't see the black hole, you just see the light
coming off of the matter they are eating.
Many performers, politicians, evangelical preachers, priests, gurus,
psychologists, and workshop leaders are as if dead inside. They feed
on the life force of the projections coming at them from the audience.
The charisma they seem to have is made up of a complex mixture of
their desperation - their need to feed - and the energy people are
projecting at them.
The Vampire-like Nature of Gurus
One reason gurus seem to glow is that they are absorbing the
projections of everyone around them, feeding on the energy of the
devotion, love and surrender coming their way. The guru sits on his
throne (sometimes her throne) and accepts the adoration, money,
attention, service, fealty of the people whose good karma it is to be
able to kiss his feet. From there things get weird, usually.
By absorbing the life force of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of
worshippers, Gurus can glow with supernatural vitality, and then when
they look at someone, they can shock and thrill them with the power of
their gaze. Actors, rock bands, and performers of all types know how
to do this, let the audience give them energy, and they accept it and
then channel it back in a magic co-creation. This is part of the
mystery of live performance. The Guru is someone who never steps off
the stage, who takes it as his job to be the center of the universe.
And it's a lot of work to pretend to be perfect, the living embodiment
of the Divine, the Lord of the Universe in human form, 24/7. Gurus go
slightly insane from the pressure, I think, and from being continually
tempted by money, power, fame, sex, and master/slave games.
The group around a Guru is called an ashram, and ashramic groups are
as Machiavellian, sadistic, ruthless, money-obsessed and
power-addicted as the court around a king or emperor. The Guru is the
ultimate Godfather – imagine a man walking down the street who has the
charisma of Brad Pitt, the cunning of a Mafia boss, and who is defined
as being greater than Jesus, greater than God. If a guru even hints,
"Mr. Smith is causing me grief," that person will get hate mail,
anonomyous death threats, and maybe visits from henchmen. Most gurus
have henchmen or thugs waiting in the wings to take care of business.
The Guru archetype is ancient and part of the rich cultural traditions
of Asia. We don't have anything like it in the West. The Hindu
scriptures define the Guru as greater than God, because he is the
intermediary, he is the one who shows you God. Kabir wrote, "Guru and
God both appear before me. To whom should I prostrate? I bow before
Guru who introduced God to me."
It is highly unfortunate that gurus are associated with meditation.
Meditation is usually so miniscule a part of what a guru teaches. If a
modern Westerner wants to learn about meditation from a guru-centered
organization, there are so many obstacles in the way, it is like
asking a Catholic priest to teach you about sex.
The Ashram as Hospital
Healing centers attract the wounded. Then predators are attracted to
the presence of so many vulnerable, wounded people. This is just the
nature of things. Wolves and lions watch the herd carefully, and pick
out anyone who is limping, and wait for an opportunity to pounce.
In a doctor's office, there will be some sick and wounded people. Same
thing with a hospital. In meditation-land, the population consists of
people who are for some reason not comfortable with their lives – they
want to improve themselves, be better, evolve. And often they want to
heal and the other things they tried – Western medicine,
psychotherapy, did not work.
Imagine that you are walking into a hospital to get a check-up. As you
walk down the hallway, all the people in the offices come to their
doors and stare at you as you go by. The first person gets an
immediate estimate of how much money she will be able to get you to
donate to the organization, and starts working on scenarios to bend
you to her will. The next person starts working on a way to have you
"diagnosed" with something so they can harvest your organs and sell
them on the black market. Further along, someone is visualizing how to
prep you to become a sex slave to one of the powers around the throne.
Someone else is seeing you as competition and plotting how to destroy
you. Yet another person sees you as a co-conspiritor to overthrow the
others. Years later you walk out of the hospital, minus a kidney, or
some eggs, and a lot of blood. And you never got a real check-up, you
only got scammed by people with hidden agendas who told you something
was wrong with you for the power over you, the leverage this gave
them.
I myself have never had a bad experience with a guru. Like most
people, I was able to be in the situation without being harmed by the
dynamics. What I am reporting here is based on the last couple decades
of working with people who have left gurus, ashrams, meditation
movements, and workshop-oriented cults. And occasionally, working with
vampires who are trying to recover.
My experience with gurus, the couple I have been with, has been
incredibly positive – I totally enjoy the presence of the gurus I have
been around, the sense of play and multiplicity of levels of
awareness. I am glad they are here in America and Europe, as well as
in Asia, doing their thing. But what some gurus do has very little to
do with meditation, and a lot to do with cult dynamics as they pertain
to founding a religion based on the worship of a living human being as
God.
Gurus attract crowds of people, and each person in that crowd can have
a completely different experience, and furthermore, that individual's
experience can change radically from one moment to the next. This
makes it impossible to ever know who a guru truly IS. Even if 10
people swear they had sex with the guru, you will never know unless
there is videotape. The Guru is an invisible friend, flying around on
the inner level, omnipresent, so some people imagine they are having
sex with the Guru. Why not? My personal impression is that gurus are
often having sex with their disciples, but not necessarily the ones
that are talking about it and claiming the guru abused them.
How any one person interacts with the guru archetype is as complex as
predicting how any one individual will respond to a bottle of rum or
series of morphine injections. Culture, beliefs, early childhood
experiences, psychic wounds, belief systems, religion. My impression
is that the guru system works a lot better in India than it does in
the United States. The problems of gurus in the West are many, but
among them is this troubling sense that so many Westerners do not get
their energy back from the guru. It's like loving someone who does not
reciprocate – it just sucks the life out of you. For every person I
know who is radiant because they love their guru, I know three or four
for whom the guru is like a bad marriage, something that steals years
off your life and leaves you broke, broken and bitter. Years wasted
doing the wrong path.
by Lorin Roche
Predators are part of nature and are everywhere on every level of
society. In the field of meditation, the predators have been having a
field day because their prey are not on guard. Vampires are a type of
predator that specialize in sucking blood. I do not mean literally, as
in biting someone, but on the level of energy. There are people who
know how to absorb the vitality of others, feed off their life force.
In every environment you are in, it is useful to be alert to the
presence of predators, as part of your everyday awareness. It's
painful to lose the idealized awareness that we used to have – like
the fantasy of the 50's, when a mother or father could trust that if
you send your child to kindergarten, they are safe; if you send your
child to church, they are being taught spirituality; and when you send
your child off to join the army, that they will fight only in just
wars. We know now that there are sexual, spiritual and financial
predators in every school, church, boy scout troop, and military
organization. It is painful and disillusioning to know these things.
But it is more painful to be stung by a vampire and not even know what
just happened.
Meditation, yoga, and alternative health practices are now part of
mainstream America, and so vampires, who like to be in positions of
authority and respect, have been migrating into positions as gurus,
yoga teachers, and acupuncturists. What great environments to drink
blood! Predators are always very aware of camouflage, and what better
situation than to be a guru, acupuncturist, or yoga teacher?
Meditation is so beneficial that people are distracted by this
wonderful thing, and do not know how to notice when they are being
vamped on.
In alternative health, it is very difficult if not impossible to know
if the practitioner is giving you treatments that weaken you in order
to keep you coming back for more. It's hard enough even in
scientifically-based Western medicine to assess what really works and
not be harmed by iatrogenic effects.
Vampires are often the most entertaining, hypnotic, and alluring
spiritual teachers and Christian preachers. They are playing a more
complex game than just what they are doing on the surface. They are
using their position to cruise for victims, and simultaneously just
daring you to catch them. And there are lots of people who want to
have their blood sucked, and become submissive to a Dominant. Vampires
are dead inside, but because of this they become exquisitely skilled
at manipulating other people's vitality. A vampire's charisma actually
does not come from within – it comes from the fervor of their devotees
and followers, who are in a state of delicious submission to the
Master, Preacher, Teacher, guru.
If you do spot a vampire, never let on that you are seeing. Just go
your way. If a vampire senses that you are onto her tricks, she or he
will start to set up ways to destroy you. And never get into a fight
with a vampire – there is no way you can match the fury with which
they will defend their turf. Only a mother defending her child can
match a vampire for fury.
The blood-sucking nature of vampires is not their most dangerous
trait. When feeding, they mostly want to steal your extra vitality and
your money. Secondarily they want to wield power over you. You can
recover from being drained, and make more money.
The truly dangerous aspect of "predators who use fangs" is their venom
– it's what they inject into you. Venom is of several types: to
paralyze, as in a neurotoxin, so that you are immobilized; to
predigest you, so they can devour you, and toxic waste. People who are
oriented to feeding off others also shit into them. Gurus and
spiritual leaders and others in the position of teacher build up toxic
shame and guilt, which they have to get rid of by excreting into their
followers or students. They select people to take a dump on, and they
make this process look like "busting the person's ego," or "teaching
them a lesson." At worst, it can take up to a year to recover from
being drained, if the vampire drinks deeply. You can recover, and the
worst thing is all the time you wasted. But if you are one of the
people the vampire/guru/teacher has selected to excrete her waste
products into, it can be a seven-to-ten year process to recover. For
the past 30 years, I have worked with a lot of meditators who are
"leaving their guru," or have just left an ashram. The people who have
gotten dumped on have a much harder road to recovery than the people
who were just drained of vitality and money.
I recommend developing a relaxed alertness to the presence of
predators. Hypervigilance and cynicism are tiresome. Walk through the
forest and enjoy yourself, and train yourself to listen to your
instincts and be observant.
Interview with the Vampire
It was a brilliant insight on the part of Anne Rice to have the
vampires in her novels be radiant and sexy. Although undead, when they
kill someone they shimmer with the life-force of the person whose
blood they just drank. An amount of life-force enough to keep someone
alive for 80 years, a vampire will burn off in a couple of days,
glowing all the while with superhuman vitality. Vampires are like
black holes - you can't see the black hole, you just see the light
coming off of the matter they are eating.
Many performers, politicians, evangelical preachers, priests, gurus,
psychologists, and workshop leaders are as if dead inside. They feed
on the life force of the projections coming at them from the audience.
The charisma they seem to have is made up of a complex mixture of
their desperation - their need to feed - and the energy people are
projecting at them.
The Vampire-like Nature of Gurus
One reason gurus seem to glow is that they are absorbing the
projections of everyone around them, feeding on the energy of the
devotion, love and surrender coming their way. The guru sits on his
throne (sometimes her throne) and accepts the adoration, money,
attention, service, fealty of the people whose good karma it is to be
able to kiss his feet. From there things get weird, usually.
By absorbing the life force of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of
worshippers, Gurus can glow with supernatural vitality, and then when
they look at someone, they can shock and thrill them with the power of
their gaze. Actors, rock bands, and performers of all types know how
to do this, let the audience give them energy, and they accept it and
then channel it back in a magic co-creation. This is part of the
mystery of live performance. The Guru is someone who never steps off
the stage, who takes it as his job to be the center of the universe.
And it's a lot of work to pretend to be perfect, the living embodiment
of the Divine, the Lord of the Universe in human form, 24/7. Gurus go
slightly insane from the pressure, I think, and from being continually
tempted by money, power, fame, sex, and master/slave games.
The group around a Guru is called an ashram, and ashramic groups are
as Machiavellian, sadistic, ruthless, money-obsessed and
power-addicted as the court around a king or emperor. The Guru is the
ultimate Godfather – imagine a man walking down the street who has the
charisma of Brad Pitt, the cunning of a Mafia boss, and who is defined
as being greater than Jesus, greater than God. If a guru even hints,
"Mr. Smith is causing me grief," that person will get hate mail,
anonomyous death threats, and maybe visits from henchmen. Most gurus
have henchmen or thugs waiting in the wings to take care of business.
The Guru archetype is ancient and part of the rich cultural traditions
of Asia. We don't have anything like it in the West. The Hindu
scriptures define the Guru as greater than God, because he is the
intermediary, he is the one who shows you God. Kabir wrote, "Guru and
God both appear before me. To whom should I prostrate? I bow before
Guru who introduced God to me."
It is highly unfortunate that gurus are associated with meditation.
Meditation is usually so miniscule a part of what a guru teaches. If a
modern Westerner wants to learn about meditation from a guru-centered
organization, there are so many obstacles in the way, it is like
asking a Catholic priest to teach you about sex.
The Ashram as Hospital
Healing centers attract the wounded. Then predators are attracted to
the presence of so many vulnerable, wounded people. This is just the
nature of things. Wolves and lions watch the herd carefully, and pick
out anyone who is limping, and wait for an opportunity to pounce.
In a doctor's office, there will be some sick and wounded people. Same
thing with a hospital. In meditation-land, the population consists of
people who are for some reason not comfortable with their lives – they
want to improve themselves, be better, evolve. And often they want to
heal and the other things they tried – Western medicine,
psychotherapy, did not work.
Imagine that you are walking into a hospital to get a check-up. As you
walk down the hallway, all the people in the offices come to their
doors and stare at you as you go by. The first person gets an
immediate estimate of how much money she will be able to get you to
donate to the organization, and starts working on scenarios to bend
you to her will. The next person starts working on a way to have you
"diagnosed" with something so they can harvest your organs and sell
them on the black market. Further along, someone is visualizing how to
prep you to become a sex slave to one of the powers around the throne.
Someone else is seeing you as competition and plotting how to destroy
you. Yet another person sees you as a co-conspiritor to overthrow the
others. Years later you walk out of the hospital, minus a kidney, or
some eggs, and a lot of blood. And you never got a real check-up, you
only got scammed by people with hidden agendas who told you something
was wrong with you for the power over you, the leverage this gave
them.
I myself have never had a bad experience with a guru. Like most
people, I was able to be in the situation without being harmed by the
dynamics. What I am reporting here is based on the last couple decades
of working with people who have left gurus, ashrams, meditation
movements, and workshop-oriented cults. And occasionally, working with
vampires who are trying to recover.
My experience with gurus, the couple I have been with, has been
incredibly positive – I totally enjoy the presence of the gurus I have
been around, the sense of play and multiplicity of levels of
awareness. I am glad they are here in America and Europe, as well as
in Asia, doing their thing. But what some gurus do has very little to
do with meditation, and a lot to do with cult dynamics as they pertain
to founding a religion based on the worship of a living human being as
God.
Gurus attract crowds of people, and each person in that crowd can have
a completely different experience, and furthermore, that individual's
experience can change radically from one moment to the next. This
makes it impossible to ever know who a guru truly IS. Even if 10
people swear they had sex with the guru, you will never know unless
there is videotape. The Guru is an invisible friend, flying around on
the inner level, omnipresent, so some people imagine they are having
sex with the Guru. Why not? My personal impression is that gurus are
often having sex with their disciples, but not necessarily the ones
that are talking about it and claiming the guru abused them.
How any one person interacts with the guru archetype is as complex as
predicting how any one individual will respond to a bottle of rum or
series of morphine injections. Culture, beliefs, early childhood
experiences, psychic wounds, belief systems, religion. My impression
is that the guru system works a lot better in India than it does in
the United States. The problems of gurus in the West are many, but
among them is this troubling sense that so many Westerners do not get
their energy back from the guru. It's like loving someone who does not
reciprocate – it just sucks the life out of you. For every person I
know who is radiant because they love their guru, I know three or four
for whom the guru is like a bad marriage, something that steals years
off your life and leaves you broke, broken and bitter. Years wasted
doing the wrong path.
Interesting articles, Purplehaze.
Whenever that "nerve flicker" is ignored or shrugged off by a "psi is superstitious bs" program, one is definitely lost; and will pay for their unawareness with suffering, stress, and danger. Had that slight nerve flicker instinct since childhood. The times it was dismissed were learning experiences. Someone once called it a "pay attention" psi. It's hard work to be aware at all times when so many distractions, "be positive, don't be negative" programs, and "charming" (at first) companions are vying for your attention/energy.
NORDIC HEALER
Jedi
Thanks Purplehaze for posting this article!
It gives another perspecitve and way of explaining the Preditors Habits in a more everyday way that other authors write about much more technically. The article made me even More Conscious of how Ultra SUBTLE and CUNNING the Predator can be... catching sometimes even the most astute, aware and vigilant in their fine mist nets as it were.
I for one have Never been attracted to Gurus, ashrams and that whole realm for some reason.
It gives another perspecitve and way of explaining the Preditors Habits in a more everyday way that other authors write about much more technically. The article made me even More Conscious of how Ultra SUBTLE and CUNNING the Predator can be... catching sometimes even the most astute, aware and vigilant in their fine mist nets as it were.
I for one have Never been attracted to Gurus, ashrams and that whole realm for some reason.
dant
The Living Force
Purplehaze:
I found this article very interesting, enjoyable, and humorous when
s/he was making analogies. Very insightful, especially for those who
have not had the "guru/vampire experiences", although I wonder if by
"Guru", would it be a stretch to include those who claim to be Masters,
Priests, Teachers, or otherwise anyone who is a "predatory leader(wolf)
of followers"? A very insightful and thoughtful article, indeed!
Thanks!
Laura:
I am looking forward to reading your 'yet to be published' motions!
Dan
I found this article very interesting, enjoyable, and humorous when
s/he was making analogies. Very insightful, especially for those who
have not had the "guru/vampire experiences", although I wonder if by
"Guru", would it be a stretch to include those who claim to be Masters,
Priests, Teachers, or otherwise anyone who is a "predatory leader(wolf)
of followers"? A very insightful and thoughtful article, indeed!
Thanks!
Laura:
I am looking forward to reading your 'yet to be published' motions!
Dan
Imo, wouldn't it be realistic to automatically assume that anyone claiming to be be a president, priest, guru, saint, savior, anointed one or whatever, is a predator?
Isn't that why we're in the mess we're in, because we've been taught by our religious, educational, and legal institutions that we're to obey, not question, authority?
None of the above has any authority unless we voluntarily submit to them.
To paraphrase Ark, "I don't want to believe-I want to know the TRUTH!"
Isn't that why we're in the mess we're in, because we've been taught by our religious, educational, and legal institutions that we're to obey, not question, authority?
None of the above has any authority unless we voluntarily submit to them.
To paraphrase Ark, "I don't want to believe-I want to know the TRUTH!"
dant
The Living Force
Yes, of course. That goes without saying. But I was asking about the use of
the word "Guru" as to the author's singular frame of mind. It could be applied
to anyone and I was putting that in question form. I guess I was being idiotic
putting my question that way. I'll try to be more concise as to what I am asking.
the word "Guru" as to the author's singular frame of mind. It could be applied
to anyone and I was putting that in question form. I guess I was being idiotic
putting my question that way. I'll try to be more concise as to what I am asking.
Here are the documents for your perusal and enjoyment.
The main one, the anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss is here:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/motion%20to%20strike.pdf
This is the memorandum in support of the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20sttrike%20memoradum.pdf
(this is the most entertaining and interesting of the documents)
Here is the declaration of one of the atty's that supports the anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20strike%20MJ%20dec.pdf
This is my declaration in support of the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20strike%20Laura%20K-J%20dec.pdf
Here is the motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/jur%20mo.pdf
Here is the declaration of another of our attys in support of motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20dism%20kaus%20dec.pdf
Here is my declaration in support of the motion to strike for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/dec_Laura_jurisd_final.pdf
Another motion to dismiss under different statute:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/12(b)(56) motion.pdf
Memorandum in support of the other motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/12(b)(6) memo.pdf
Final motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/motion to strike.pdf
The main one, the anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss is here:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/motion%20to%20strike.pdf
This is the memorandum in support of the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20sttrike%20memoradum.pdf
(this is the most entertaining and interesting of the documents)
Here is the declaration of one of the atty's that supports the anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20strike%20MJ%20dec.pdf
This is my declaration in support of the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20strike%20Laura%20K-J%20dec.pdf
Here is the motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/jur%20mo.pdf
Here is the declaration of another of our attys in support of motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/mo%20to%20dism%20kaus%20dec.pdf
Here is my declaration in support of the motion to strike for lack of jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/dec_Laura_jurisd_final.pdf
Another motion to dismiss under different statute:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/12(b)(56) motion.pdf
Memorandum in support of the other motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/12(b)(6) memo.pdf
Final motion to dismiss:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/motion to strike.pdf
Laura,
I get a 404 for the HBI case Documents/12(b)(56) and HBI Case Documents/12(b)(6) pdf links.
Really interesting reading thus far.
I get a 404 for the HBI case Documents/12(b)(56) and HBI Case Documents/12(b)(6) pdf links.
Really interesting reading thus far.
It works just fine, now. Thanks, Ark!Ark said:
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
Excellent!!!!! =D
