Euthanasia?
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un chien anadolu
Jedi Master
Gandalf said:Oh dear un chein absolu, what a sad new.
My condolences to you.
Thank you Gandalf..
truth seeker
The Living Force
My deepest condolences un chien anadolu.
beautifulmind
The Force is Strong With This One
I have only skimmed this thread and I offer my condolences to anyone who has posted here who has struggled with this decision and ultimate loss of their animal friend and family member.
I wanted to post because I had to make this decision in the last year. Just passed the one year anniversary. Our 19 year old cat Thumper stopped eating and we discovered she had a mass in her digestive track. We tried IV fluids for a few days and then some pain meds. We knew she was going to die but had to grapple with this decision.
My partner wanted to euthanize her but I did not know what should be done and so I asked her. Her answer was she wanted to die at home...
My partner was adamament about putting her out of her misery. He had the most history with her and because of this, I held my tounge and we took her to the vet.
As weak as she was, she actually fought the injections and I knew I had done the wrong thing by not being her voice. It was extremely painful, not only grieving her but also dealing with the guilt of not honoring her wishes. Within a few weeks though, she visited me in a dream and she was the size of a human and I was her size. I understood. With that dream though I felt she had forgiven me.
My point was just to say, if you have to make this decision, ask what the animals wishes are just as you would with any friend or family member, listen for the answer and be ready to do what they ask.
I wanted to post because I had to make this decision in the last year. Just passed the one year anniversary. Our 19 year old cat Thumper stopped eating and we discovered she had a mass in her digestive track. We tried IV fluids for a few days and then some pain meds. We knew she was going to die but had to grapple with this decision.
My partner wanted to euthanize her but I did not know what should be done and so I asked her. Her answer was she wanted to die at home...
My partner was adamament about putting her out of her misery. He had the most history with her and because of this, I held my tounge and we took her to the vet.
As weak as she was, she actually fought the injections and I knew I had done the wrong thing by not being her voice. It was extremely painful, not only grieving her but also dealing with the guilt of not honoring her wishes. Within a few weeks though, she visited me in a dream and she was the size of a human and I was her size. I understood. With that dream though I felt she had forgiven me.
My point was just to say, if you have to make this decision, ask what the animals wishes are just as you would with any friend or family member, listen for the answer and be ready to do what they ask.
un chien anadolu
Jedi Master
Thank you friends. Your condolences are very much appreciated.
Slow Motion Mary
Padawan Learner
un chien anadolu said:
Yours was a beautiful cat, and her passing difficult. I am sure she loved you as you loved her and was grateful for your compassion. Perhaps some of your suffering could be alleviated or transmuted by your many joyful memories of her.
un chien anadolu
Jedi Master
Slow Motion Mary said:
Thank you Slow Motion Mary, i hope so too.
Eva
Jedi
Ana said:
I'm not imposing a hypothetical formula on a 'real' situation by what I'm discussing. I'm simply sharing my way of thinking while at the same time aknowledging that I will act according to each situation seperately and respecting everyone else's decisions on their own personal situations. That doesn't although prevent me from trying to think on a deeper level and evaluate my actions or non-actions beyond their face-value, which in this case has to do with the real benefit that exists - if any- and the reality of killing as an STO action. These, for me, are difficult questions that I can't readily reply for myself.
I don't know why you used the words 'deserve it' as if they were mine though. I haven't used them, nor was I assuming that karma or any other indescribable reasons for suffering in death were a form of punishment. Nonetheless, for me, it's part of the unkown - I won't say unkowable because there may well exist others that Know why it is happening but I'm not one of them :) When I don't know why something is happening it feels 'safer' to let it take its course without intervening.
You're asking for whome it is safer. I think it's safer for the entity that is dying to allow it to go through the process in a natural way. Again, this is what I Think and it doesn't mean that I have the courage nor will to watch an animal suffer acute pain and pretend it's alright. It sounds more logical though to account that to my weakness and not to some mistake or malevolence of nature. Please keep in mind that I was vegan for years because even the thought of animals dying to sustain me was too much to bear, so my thoughts don't come from lack of empathy but I admit they could come from emotional thinking.
I took the time to discuss euthanasia with some friends and my mother last time I saw her. After all these years she admitted to me that when my cat suffered for a week before dying, she felt it would have been kinder to put it down. Although I still fail to see killing as an STO action it was food for thought nonetheless.
I would like to give my condolences to everyone that has posted here because they lost their pet. I suppose this is a bit strange , but it's easier to find words of comfort for someone that has lost a friend or relative than for someone that has lost a pet. The best thing I could ever come up with was "I'm sorry.. I know there are no words to make this easier".
ana
The Living Force
Eva said:
When I say hypothethical formula I am refering to this statement of yours:
That's something We don't really know, this is something beyong our scope now, We just can act based on the knowledge of the situation is presented to us.Eva said:
Eva said:
You are right your words were exactly:
And I thougth you were trying to imply this was one of the reasons preventing you from considering euthanasia in some instances because that was something they should endure for reasons we don't know?.Eva said:
Sorry if that was not the case, maybe you can clarify what was the point then?
It is safer for them to endure suffering? We are speaking of situations with animals in wich there is suffering and no hope for them to heal, aren't we?Eva said:
No one is saying you are lacking empathy here and sure, you are not the only one feeling this way but you are not vegan now, are you?Eva said:
My view is that enduring constant suffering in terminal cases has no aparent benefit for the animal.Eva said:
lara4unow
Jedi
As I am writing this I am waiting for my Vet to come and euthanize my 12 year old Rhodesian Ridgeback Roy. His sister and litter mate Kenya is here on the bed with us and Dusty the cat, a Russian Blue who had begun to sleep close to Roy for the last two months.
The dogs have had a good life since I got them at 8 weeks old. However, they both nearly died 8 weeks ago from the food I had been feeding them for over a year and a half. This food was very expensive food from a company in Canada called Champion Pet Foods. This fish based protein dry food has quite a laundry list of heavy metals in it. I sent it my state university veterinary toxicology lab for testing. The company has not responded to my complaints and has promised to send mailers so they can test it too. The pet food store and their distributor are based in the US and I will seek damages from them. Roy’s kidneys never recovered. I have spent over $2,000 on vet bills and home cooked food. I am at least owed that.
As to the discussion about euthanasia, for me, there is no ambiguity that I am their 3D guardian and friend. Thus, I am listening to Roy breath heavily next to me, pant and drool. I have given him 4 50mg tablets of Tramadol per the Vet’s advise. If he dies peacefully before they get here in 45 minutes, so be it. It will be a peaceful passing and Kenya and Dusty will get to see his body and know he has not just gone on a vacation. It is very important for the other Pac members to smell and see him gone.
I love this dog more than anyone could know. I have always loved all of my animals and have always made the same commitment to them to take care of them until they die or need to be helped by their Vet and me. There is no question about this, it is simply the right thing to do.
Peace be with all the 2D pets we care for
The dogs have had a good life since I got them at 8 weeks old. However, they both nearly died 8 weeks ago from the food I had been feeding them for over a year and a half. This food was very expensive food from a company in Canada called Champion Pet Foods. This fish based protein dry food has quite a laundry list of heavy metals in it. I sent it my state university veterinary toxicology lab for testing. The company has not responded to my complaints and has promised to send mailers so they can test it too. The pet food store and their distributor are based in the US and I will seek damages from them. Roy’s kidneys never recovered. I have spent over $2,000 on vet bills and home cooked food. I am at least owed that.
As to the discussion about euthanasia, for me, there is no ambiguity that I am their 3D guardian and friend. Thus, I am listening to Roy breath heavily next to me, pant and drool. I have given him 4 50mg tablets of Tramadol per the Vet’s advise. If he dies peacefully before they get here in 45 minutes, so be it. It will be a peaceful passing and Kenya and Dusty will get to see his body and know he has not just gone on a vacation. It is very important for the other Pac members to smell and see him gone.
I love this dog more than anyone could know. I have always loved all of my animals and have always made the same commitment to them to take care of them until they die or need to be helped by their Vet and me. There is no question about this, it is simply the right thing to do.
Peace be with all the 2D pets we care for
You have our condolences.
I notice that it has been some time since you have been here - unless you've been reading without posting. I think there are a number of threads in the forum that address diet and toxicity and a couple of them address the feeding of animals, specifically. Hopefully, you will gain some insight from that information that will benefit your next pet.
I notice that it has been some time since you have been here - unless you've been reading without posting. I think there are a number of threads in the forum that address diet and toxicity and a couple of them address the feeding of animals, specifically. Hopefully, you will gain some insight from that information that will benefit your next pet.
