Chu said:
odyssic said:
So I wonder if it connects to certain gene strains / ancestry? I wonder if it connects to pre-fall and post-fall humanity somehow? What if a healing protocol is to go through the diet of each period for a time, and heal genetic damage from those ages? Just brainstorming here.
An interesting possibility... But aren't our genes something like 99% hunter-gatherer? And if the fruit at the time was different (less sweet), then eating "modern" fruit wouldn't have any "past healing" properties, one would think.
In any case, I agree that it's a matter of experimenting, and seeing what is right for you, paying attention to the environment you live in, and the seasons.
The only fruit diet I've ever tried was, for years, once a year, a grape-only fast, for 3 or 4 weeks in a row, and felt great (BUT, other than that, I had a pretty normal, i.e. bad diet, or thought I was eating healthy because I had a lot of dairy and whole grains
) Also tried vegetarianism but I don't think I lasted longer than a month. I felt horrible!
When attending conferences and talks about diets, I once met a man who was into the urine therapy (and religious about it!). When he told me his age, I figured it couldn't be very good, because he looked 20 years older. And I thought that, if the body has already rejected it, why go against nature and ingest it again? So, I never tried that.
Now, I look at it as a more long-term thing. If after 3 months or so, a diet makes me feel better in general, then I figure it's pretty good. Lab tests also help, once in a while. Like you described, sometimes the new diet makes one fast more naturally, and I think that can contribute to a large extent to feeling better, more than the specific diet itself. So, in the case of fruits, that could be one thing, apart from the fact of not mixing them with carbs, fats, etc. But as for an optimal diet, I wouldn't think that fruit fits the bill, because our cells need fat and amino-acids. There is no "essential" carbohydrate, meaning that the body is perfectly capable of making the little glucose it needs. But there are essential fatty-acids and aminoacids that we can only get from meat. So, that to me is more indicative of what is optimal and what's not, not to say that once in a while one shouldn't experiment a bit, or increase the amount of carbs a bit, etc.
I found this interesting (relating to the genetic question)...
I'm skeptical of most of these results because I don't know a. how much of genetics science currently understands or b. how much we are being informed of.
Genetics of Bonobos and Chimps in relation to Humans
"The first official publication of the sequencing and assembly of the bonobo genome became publicly available in June 2012. It was deposited with the International Nucleotide Sequence Database Collaboration (DDBJ/EMBL/GenBank) under the EMBL accession number AJFE01000000[17] after a previous analysis by the National Human Genome Research Institute confirmed that the bonobo genome is about 0.4% divergent from the chimpanzee genome.[18] In addition, as of 2011 Svante Pääbo's group at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology were sequencing the genome of a female bonobo from the Leipzig zoo.[18]
Initial genetic studies characterised the DNA of chimpanzees and bonobos as being 98% to 99.4% identical to that of Homo sapiens.[19] Later studies showed that chimpanzees and bonobos are more closely related to humans than to gorillas.[20] In the crucial Nature paper reporting on initial genome comparisons, researchers identified 35 million single-nucleotide changes, five million insertion or deletion events, and a number of chromosomal rearrangements which constituted the genetic differences between the two Pan species and humans, covering 98% of the same genes.[21] While many of these analyses have been performed on the common chimpanzee rather than the bonobo, the differences between the two Pan species are unlikely to be substantial enough to affect the Pan-Homo comparison significantly.
There still is controversy, however. Scientists such as Jared Diamond in The Third Chimpanzee, and Morris Goodman[22] of Wayne State University in Detroit suggest that the bonobo and common chimpanzee are so closely related to humans that their genus name also should be classified with the human genus Homo: Homo paniscus, Homo sylvestris, or Homo arboreus." Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo
And Bonobos and Chimps are classified as frugivorous omnivores. But it could be that that genetic difference had to do with a shift in diet. Or as the C's suggested, something about 'souls' coming in and prompting an evolutionary leap.
My Personal Healing Experiences on the Fruit Diet
When I say fruit diet, I should clarify that the first two months were Gerson, followed by 3 months of 95-99% fruit, followed by 6 months of 90% fruit, followed by the winter months of probably 60% fruit. Also, I did use herbal tinctures, coffee enemas at first, and then lemon / herbal enemas.
The first thing was intense mucus clearing from the head for weeks straight. I advised clients that I was not sick, I was cleansing. Mostly the right side. It just kept coming; I was astonished. Before then, I'd had a congested right nostril much of the time. A few months in, I felt oxygen flood the right sinus and the right temple for the first time in my life. An old abrasion flared up for about 3 days and cleared. I'd often had a headache in the right temple, related to sugar, so perhaps there was a nest of yeast there or something. Anyway, that ached for about a week, and then cleared.
The neck released. I'd fractured C5 once, and neck mobility was limited in other vertebrae to compensate. During the fruit diet, range of motion increased, pain decreased, and my neck now cracks way up into the skull with relative ease. I can give myself chiro adjustments with a gentle pull or twist to either side, and feel it way up in the axis and atlas.
Right rear molar... I'd avoided a root canal, and the tooth had almost rotted out. The diet helped it heal, and come alive again. It was in 2 pieces, split down the middle, and the outer piece was gray. Now it is enamel colored again. There was rough enamel on the outside, and now it is smooth. So somehow the tooth remineralized. The front tooth on the left looks more transparent toward the root. I was thinking that the body was drawing calcium out of certain teeth to repair other teeth, organs perhaps?
The middle fingernail of my right hand grew back thicker about 6 months in. A wave grew out and I had a thicker nail after. I also wonder why it was particular nail? "Middle Finger - The meridian of the middle finger is called the heart constrictor and is located on the outer edge of the finger, on the pinky side. This energy meridian is used to help relieve thoracic symptoms such as ribcage pain or straining of the muscles in the upper- and mid-back, and for nerve damage in all parts of the body." http://www.livestrong.com/article/516565-energy-meridians-on-the-hands-for-reflexology/
The lunulae on all my fingernails grew back, though the pinkies are still barely visible. They were gone entirely for 15 years or so, except on the thumbs, where they just grew larger. A tibetan healer once told me that I had too much fire, and it devoured my moons. Nothing had brought them back. So I was happy about that. Perhaps 'fire' is acidosis and those lunulae represent mineral reserves or alkaline reserves? So though 'fruit' is purported to not be nutrient dense, it was somehow replenishing what these represent. Perhaps they have to do with hydration as well? Via the descriptions I read of them online and in the books I could find, I couldn't find where they might be equated with fire.
I used to urinate 4 times a night, so sleep was poor. On the fruit diet, it was the only time I didn't urinate, but slept through the night. Perhaps this had to do with melatonin, and hydration... organ function enhanced, hormones balanced? Interesting about fruit and melatonin...
"And recently, research from Thailand’s Khon Kaen University has found that the body’s levels of melatonin can be naturally raised through eating of some tropical fruits.
The researchers used a crossover study design with 30 healthy human subjects to see which fruits – tropical fruits selected for their melatonin content – would naturally raise the body’s melatonin levels.
The researchers tested six tropical fruits among the volunteers, giving them a diet heavy in that particular fruit for one week following a one-week washout. During these periods the researchers analyzed the subjects’ urine levels of 6-sulfatoxymelatonin – also referred to as aMT6s.
Higher levels of 6-sulfatoxymelatonin or aMT6s in the urine indicates higher levels of melatonin circulating within the bloodstream.
With each different fruit, the subjects’ aMT6s levels were tested. The 6-sulfatoxymelatonin (aMT6s) levels after eating some fruits – notably pineapples, bananas and oranges – increased significantly. Pineapples increased 6-sulfatoxymelatonin (aMT6s) levels by over two-and-a-half times (266%) while banana increased aMT6s levels by 180% – almost double. Meanwhile, oranges increased aMT6s levels by 47%.
The other fruits also moderately increased melatonin content among the patients.
Learn more about natural ways to boost melatonin levels and over 200 other natural remedies for getting to sleep.
Other research – as reported by Realnatural – has shown that natural melatonin from red tart Montmorency cherries (Prunus cerasus) can increase sleep efficiency and quality. A study from an international group of researchers found that drinking tart cherry juice for seven days increased sleep by an average of 34 minutes a night – by speeding up falling to sleep – and increased sleep efficiency by 5-6%.
And like the study from Thailand, the research found that drinking cherry juice increased 6-sulfatoxymelatonin levels naturally – without the need of exogenous or synthetic melatonin supplements."
-http://naturalsociety.com/8-foods-naturally-increase-melatonin-sleep/
This is interesting because, presumably, pre-cataclysmic / pre-fall / antedeluvian humans probably lived in tropical environments?
Acne scars on my face, that were pitted, turned red, and peeled away, and with each peeling they were shallower; now some are gone. Some old ones became more prominent as inflammation in the face increased, and then they went down. There was bulging / a rash around my sinus on the right side during certain phases of clearing. There were a few pimples / cysts during this time, as things were leaving the face. I used to get large cysts on the face, and I think that it was actually the body trying to isolate something from the sinus, perhaps, because they were always on either side of my nose.
A few months in, bloody red mucus came out of my left nostril for a few days. In a meditation once I got an image of a rock crushing that side of my head, so I wondered if it was clearing some archetypal memory from that place? Or just clearing out parasites.
Yeast / parasite cleansing. Intense itching in rectum and penis, followed by intense cravings for starch... and then a passing of clouds of yeast in stools, urine, and complete relief, almost euphoria. Also, strange and unidentifiable parasites and strands of mucoid plaque in stools, regularly for the first 3 months. Later only after intense cleansing.
Less food required on many days. Felt satisfied with just a few pieces of fruit.
Moister, more radiant skin. Always, I'd followed the prescriptions for ayurveda, Vata, by attempting to combat the dryness with oils and fats. And also a lot of water. I always needed oil, coconut, sesame, or olive on my face, a few times a day, or it would be dry and flaky. After a few months into the fruit, after some intense dry and flaky skin, I no longer need the oil.
I am more hydrated, and urinate much less. I stopped drinking water mostly. I got most of my water from fruit / juice. The waters taken in in this way seemed to be utilized by the body much more efficiently. I used to urinate often, during movies, a few times if I went out to eat. Now it is just a few times per day (unless I eat something salty or a starch).
My body/ face are becoming more symmetrical. It's hard to describe, but there was more of a twist in my torso before, and more asymmetry in the placement of the eyes. Releasing the congestion is helping the two halves balance out.
Regarding all of the above, I'm excited that healing has catalyzed, and I think I can use the fruitarian diet strategically to motivate healing without losing brain / muscle function.
I'm not sure if these would apply universally, or simply to my blood / genetic / 'type.' Or perhaps they apply most during certain phases of life or cycles of healing. Similarly, when the C's say 'eat more meat', they said something like 'your type depends on' and I can't tell if they're referring to the 'type' of humans or the 'type' of the person asking the question. Because, again, I have also read them advising to 'eat more fruit' when a question was brought up about how to cure an ailment.
I've read many times, again, that fruit sugar is damaging to the human system, yet that intellectual knowledge doesn't somehow jive with my experience, which I had to reach by using intuition to move through the intellectual blockages to find the healing I experienced above (and am still experiencing).
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I got it into my head that grape juice, concord grape juice, fresh as possible, was the most healing food available. I think perhaps this was the beverage referred to in the symbolic eucharist... the wine being a 'corruption' perhaps, of that idea fermenting over time. Anyway, I'd drink it with this intention, sometimes a verbal blessing, and a purge often followed. Often with a black substance accompanying, and a foul smell. The black substance looked like charcoal.
PS. I found dry fasting to be equal to many days of fruit cleansing, just a little more difficult and sometimes intense.
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I find ketogenic relatively easy to follow. Are there still sugar cravings? IN the fruit experiment, I feel like sugar is not a craving, but a natural desire that is satiated, so the craving for less natural forms of sugar disappears.
When Gurdjieff talks about the essence of a man surfacing (and I can't quite tell if he is referring to general or specific) he says "All that he can find in himself is a small number of instinctive inclinations and tastes. He is
fond of sweets, he likes warmth, he dislikes cold, he dislikes the thought of work, or on the contrary he likes the idea of physical movement. And that is all." -In Search of the Miraculous
Interestingly because 'fond of sweets' and 'liking warmth' might both point toward a predisposition toward a tropical climate. ('sweets' as in fruit sugar, a natural desire perhaps co-opted over time and demonized).
Just a few ideas I've been working on. I hope they support. Thank you everyone for the thoughtful comments, and for being open to these various possibilities.
