Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths

[EmeraldHope]

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[quote author=Lobaczewski]
We speak of blocking out conclusions if the inferential process was proper in principle and has almost arrived at a conclusion and final comprehension within the act of internal projection, but becomes stymied by a preceding directive from the subconscious, which considered it inexpedient or disturbing. This is primitive prevention of personality disintegration, which may seem advantageous; however, it also prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration. A conclusion thus rejected remains in our subconscious and in a more unconscious way causes the next blocking and selection of this kind. This can be totally harmful, progressively enslaving a person to his own subconscious, and is often accompanied by a feeling of tension and bitterness.

I find it fascinating that I simultaneously agree with this and am amazed that a statement about the inferential process can even be made to that degree of precision.

In ISOTM we find the speed relationships of the intellectual center to the emotional center to be expressed as 1 second to 8 hours. This means that as the narrator (or intellect) perceives 1 second to have passed, the emotional center has had the equivalent of 8 hours to do whatever it is doing. Wouldn't the slower intellectual center have quite a time observing at the speed that the emotional center works?

When Lobaczewski said "...prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration", what is an example of an advantage to which he refers?
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An example would be thus- An empathic human is involved with a pathological. He projects his inner world onto the pathological and assumes he is the same. However, the mind notices red flags. He starts to come to some conclusions but then the subconsciuos mind prevents the examination and integration of what one is seeing and feeling, perhaps due to the fact that allowing onesself to "see" would shake the foundation of one's whole belief system. The conclusion that he is "just like me", or what not, is then the basis for more error, as the proper understanding was blocked out. The advantages, would be to come to the proper conclusion based on seeing reality as it is, no matter how painful, integration that knowledge and all the consequences of the realization, and proceeding correctly from that point thus avoiding more errors based on a wrong assumption, over and over. This could apply to any situation in which emotional or other content is repressed subconsciously, thus making our reading instrument useless.

 

[Buddy]

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Thanks go2 and EmeraldHope

So, "primitive prevention of personality disintegration" is similar to saying: "the subconsciuos mind prevents the examination and integration of what one is seeing and feeling, perhaps due to the fact that allowing onesself to "see" would shake the foundation of one's whole belief system"?

...and "prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration" is similar in meaning to "[prevents the coming] to the proper conclusion based on seeing reality as it is, no matter how painful, integration that knowledge and all the consequences of the realization, and proceeding correctly from that point thus avoiding more errors based on a wrong assumption, over and over"?

If so, thanks for that. It sounds like he is equating "devastating realizations" with "personality disintegration" and equating "integrating of these realizations into one's knowledge" with "personality re-integrating".

I just wanted to be exactly sure of what he was saying.

 

[EmeraldHope]

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Thanks go2 and EmeraldHope

So, "primitive prevention of personality disintegration" is similar to saying: "the subconsciuos mind prevents the examination and integration of what one is seeing and feeling, perhaps due to the fact that allowing onesself to "see" would shake the foundation of one's whole belief system"?

...and "prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration" is similar in meaning to "[prevents the coming] to the proper conclusion based on seeing reality as it is, no matter how painful, integration that knowledge and all the consequences of the realization, and proceeding correctly from that point thus avoiding more errors based on a wrong assumption, over and over"?

If so, thanks for that. It sounds like he is equating "devastating realizations" with "personality disintegration" and equating "integrating of these realizations into one's knowledge" with "personality re-integrating".

I just wanted to be exactly sure of what he was saying.

That is how I read it Bud. But thank goodness we have a network cause I could be wrong. But ,based on what I have gone through personally with this stuff, it makes sense to me.

 

[anart]

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When Lobaczewski said "...prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration", what is an example of an advantage to which he refers?

He is merely stating that a conscious recognition of and acceptance of the data (that is making the person uncomfortable enough to ignore it/block) will always benefit the person. The advantage is seeing and integrating the truth of the situation which is always beneficial. People block the truth because it hurts them or their preconceptions. When they do this repeatedly, they end up living completely in illusion.

The advantage of integrating the truth of the situation, despite internal pain over the idea, is obvious - the person is aligned with reality, not illusion. Most people choose illusion because it hurts less and ignorance is bliss - in addition, once they block one truth for the comfort of a lie, it's easier to block the next, thus the downward spiral.

 

[Buddy]

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Thanks anart. The last place I wanted to risk misunderstanding due to "selection and substitution" is during an explanation of "selection and substitution".

 

[Guardian]

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Most people choose illusion because it hurts less

But it doesn't, not really? Just kinda drags it out longer..osit?

 

[anart]

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Most people choose illusion because it hurts less

But it doesn't, not really? Just kinda drags it out longer..osit?

Of course, but if they understood that, they'd not block the truth to begin with ;) (or at the very least, they'd work hard not to - it can actually be physically painful to accept a truth that goes against deeply held beliefs).

 

[Guardian]

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Of course, but if they understood that, they'd not block the truth to begin with ;) (or at the very least, they'd work hard not to - it can actually be physically painful to accept a truth that goes against deeply held beliefs).

Yeah, I can remember that. One of my dearest friends (and roommate) was killed after leaving my 21 birthday party. When the Troopers knocked on my door and told me, I simply could not believe it. I acted like an idiot, first I insisted that it was a mistake, then I accused them of being part of a VERY bad birthday joke, then I just started screaming at them that they were lying. I just couldn't accept it, and it felt like my head was going to explode it hurt so bad. I had to call the cops and apologize later.

 

[Buddy]

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[quote author=Guardian]
One of my dearest friends (and roommate) was killed after leaving my 21 birthday party. When the Troopers knocked on my door and told me, I simply could not believe it. I acted like an idiot, first I insisted that it was a mistake, then I accused them of being part of a VERY bad birthday joke, then I just started screaming at them that they were lying. I just couldn't accept it, and it felt like my head was going to explode it hurt so bad. I had to call the cops and apologize later.[/quote]

I've lost many acquaintances, friends and family over the years and I can vouch for the feeling that comes from the news of it - like something is going to explode - whether head or chest.

Sometimes I wish I knew back when what I know now. I think I would've refused to hold anything in just because it was deemed 'inappropriate' behavior to do otherwise.

Generally speaking, these days it seems like grown adults must recover an ability they had as children. Perception requires a willingness to be the effect of whatever is flowing toward us from the universe - to feel all the onrush of data and the resulting sensation of meaning - unpleasant and pleasant - and resistance is futile for maintaining or achieving psychological health. Not that one should go around looking for 'victim' experiences as such, just that it's important to allow at least some part of one's inner sense of self to change to match the pattern of actual data from the physical universe so that one 'feels' and continues to feel - experiencing what is really there so as to be able to share it with others for their protection and edification as well.

As Lobaczewski points out, one consequence of this emotional resistance is the distortion he describes above as "selection and substitution", OSIT.

Not that you don't know that already, but many readers won't necessarily.

 

[Laura]

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Generally speaking, these days it seems like grown adults must recover an ability they had as children.

It's more than that: people need to learn how their machine works. There's a handy little book that just came out entitled "You are Not so Smart" by David McRaney. He's a hard-core Darwinian materialist, and quite a few of his arguments don't hold water, and some of the studies he presents are just bad science, but there's enough in there about current brain science to give a clue about some of the really automatic things humans do and sometimes why.

 

[Buddy]

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Generally speaking, these days it seems like grown adults must recover an ability they had as children.

It's more than that: people need to learn how their machine works. There's a handy little book that just came out entitled "You are Not so Smart" by David McRaney. He's a hard-core Darwinian materialist, and quite a few of his arguments don't hold water, and some of the studies he presents are just bad science, but there's enough in there about current brain science to give a clue about some of the really automatic things humans do and sometimes why.

That's info I'd like to have to hand. Thanks, I'll check it out!

 

[Laura]

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That's info I'd like to have to hand. Thanks, I'll check it out!

It's an entertaining, easy read, too! Unfortunately, the author, being the materialist that he is, is helpless to REALLY explain many of the studies he presents. Sometimes he's really clever with a little insight, and sometimes he comes across as dumb as a fencepost!

 

[Buddy]

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Sometimes he's really clever with a little insight, and sometimes he comes across as dumb as a fencepost!

Sounds like me! :D Perhaps he and I will be in immediate rapport before I turn the first page!

 

[sandrabrownma]

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The process of the inability to integrate the information and be congruent between intellectual data and emotional experiences, is what creates the cognitive dissonance that is so strong from pathological exposure. (Laura, sounds sort of like what you were going thru). Normally in these, we battle between choosing the Jekyll or Hyde personas. They're good/they're bad, or in hyper empathy cases, They're bad/they're sick. But Laura, in your case it still sounds like you went thru a round of cognitive dissonance, only personalized I'm Good/I'm Bad. Pathologicals typically target people who are in helping professions or educational ones. It's exactly the kinds of 'events' we have seen through the antics of the Camwell/McGrannahan approaches. Camwell has pretty well hit every major website in this genre (and used others to do her marketing) trying to create those personalized cognitive dissonance reactions from those sites that were targeted.
I think the mark of pathology is the experiencing of cognitive dissonance whether it is other-oriented or whether it produces personalized self dissonance.

 

[sandrabrownma]

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My favorite quote from Andrew was 'the eating of much meat' or however he said it! LOL psychic carnavors!