Fire and Ice: The Day After Tomorrow

[Anders]

Also, did anyone notice the article on SOTT yesterday about the people being possibly killed by a falling or exploding meteorite? Again, it is important to read Firestone's book to understand the nature of these critters, what kinds they are, what they do, and so on. A couple of years ago, we were hearing about fireballs about once a month. Then it became once a week or so. Now, it is ALMOST EVERY DAY.

So, what's up with THAT?

Yes, I noticed it too. It reminded me of what the C's said about this being similar to the beginning of rain, first a few drops, then a pause, then some more drops and then... a downpour.

 

[Jacques]

Here is a copy of an article published in a newspaper in Quebec (Le journal de Quebec) , saturday the 3 of february 2007. This article was following the report submitted by many scientists on the Global warming.

Look at those graphs and look at the scale at the bottom for the increase of the weather. Are they not saying that there is too much people on the planet and a good way of reducing the global warming is to reduce the population?

The Scenario B1 says: Growth then decrease of the population; clean technology
The Scenario A2 says: Constant growth of the population; slow technological progress.

Here is another one.

The legend says: black line: Average evolution of the observed weather.
red block: Human impact and naturals phenomena
orange block: simulation without human impact.

They want us to believe that we are the main responsible for that.

 

[Nienna]

They want us to believe that we are the main responsible for that.

Yes, maybe this is the excuse they will use to depopulate the world by 5.5 billion people.

 

[Fifth Way]

Under the headline:
Chemtrails - coming out of the closet?
An article appeared some time ago that I remembered in this context. Basically a German parlimentarian spilled the beans by being too proper.

I meant to post this earlier but only found it now.

http://debatebothsides.com/archive/index.php/t-26845-p-4.html
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GERMAN PARLIMENTARTIAN "ADMITS" CHEMTRAIL

Former six-year a board member of Greenpeace Germany, Monika Griefahn chaired the Committee for Culture and Media of the Federal German Parliament when she replied to a letter from two chemtrails dissenters in July 2004, stating, "I am in basic agreement with your concerns. Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth's atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms."

After assuring her correspondents, "I share your concern over the use of aluminium or barium compounds which have a considerable toxic potential," the parliamentarian went on to say, "however, so far as I am aware the extent of their use is so far minimal."

"At last!" Stetter announced in the German science magazine. "There we have it. In the skies of Germany, so Social Democratic member of Parliament Monika Griefahn tells us, aluminium and barium compounds are being spread just as tens of thousands of concerned citizens have observed, documented and bitterly deplored."

Thanking the Honorable Griefahn her for her courage, Stetter suggested, "Maybe one day statues of politicians like Monika Griefahn or the equally plucky US Congressman Dennis Kucinich will adorn in marble splendor the squares of newly verdant German or American cities."

That would be nice.

But the public outcry in Europe will have to spread to North America if we are to stop this massive, illegal and continuing air and atmospheric pollution.

Excerpted from Convergence Weekly.

Further online sources of the same article:

http://www.airapparent.ca/library/full_text/chemtrails_lasvegas3.htm

...and more.

Ark:
I too witnesses contrails as a boy. And even though they lasted sometimes much longer than minutes they ALWAYS dissipated eventually completely! The trails I am seeing today are not. As already established earlier in the thread they - over hours - manage to expand over the entire sky.

Another feature that I have seen hundreds of times in various continents is the famous "checkerboard grid-pattern" that does not correspond to "generally increased air-traffic".

Can Chemtrails be COINTELPRO? Sure. Can they be real? I think the answer is "sure" as well.

However I agree with the general view of the the thread that transpired: Chemtrails may be a "limited hangout" to "sever atmospheric change" that has do to off-plant circumstances.

Doesn't mean Chemtrails do not happen at all and there fore should not be dismissed. OSIT

 

[Laura]

Doesn't mean Chemtrails do not happen at all and there fore should not be dismissed. OSIT

Absolutely agreed. But I also think that we need to keep some real perspective here and think about the bigger picture: what IS happening in our atmosphere is scary as all get out whether it is contrails or chemtrails.

 

[Azur]

This might be relevant:

High levels of cloud cover blankets the Earth and reflects radiated heat from the Sun back out into space, causing the planet to cool.

Henrik Svensmark, a weather scientist at the Danish National Space Centre who led the team behind the research, believes that the planet is experiencing a natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere.

This, he says, is responsible for much of the global warming we are experiencing.

Original post for whole article here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5143



We have an acknowledgment that there is lower than normal low cloud cover, and he proposes a reason.

If the hypothesis is correct, then the lower level of cloud cover might explain all the observed contrails we now see. The million dollar question is this: if lower cloud levels induce global warming, and eventually kicks off the glaciation "rebound", and the lower cloud levels are induced by a "lack" of interaction with cosmic rays, what is the reason for the decreased cosmic rays?

Can the interaction decrease be man-made? Or is it natural? Either way, this isn't a nice scenario....

 

[anart]

what is the reason for the decreased cosmic rays?

Well, as long as we're speaking in 'ifs' - one reason might be a certain brown dwarf brother heliopolis. ;)

 

[Azur]

what is the reason for the decreased cosmic rays?

Well, as long as we're speaking in 'ifs' - one reason might be a certain brown dwarf brother heliopolis. ;)

It is certainly a possibility. Does possibility extend beyond what we can imagine, in our current form?

If so, what a coup it would be to be able to limit imagination, if it was a mechanism to a desirable end.

 

[Keit]

Never, never, never believe anything that comes from Sorcha Faal.

The director of the Russia's Pulkova Observatory, Doctor Scientist Habibullo Abdusamatov

This is a lie. Once there is one lie - expect more lies.

Those who read Russian can check:

http://forums.hmn.ru/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=844&page=11

Indeed there is Habibullo Abdusamatov, with PhD, a member of the laboratory of physics of the Sun. Not a director of the observatory.
Why to lie?

You can see his picture at the top right in "Ogonyok":

http://www.ogoniok.com/4933/24/

This is not a serious journal, so even what they say there is much like in a tabloid!

I wonder WHY National Geographic decided to post an article about Habibullo Abdussamatov's "controversial theory"... Aren't they supposed to check first if a person is a fraud? Or what about other great "controversial theories" by "real" and credited scientists? Unless of course it is intentional.

edit: I wanted to clarify that I have no idea if Habibullo Abdussamatov really is a fraud, so I don't want to assume anything. But it is still strange that National Geographic, no less, repeat the same "mistake"/lie and call him "a head" of observatory. Either they make the same mistakes as BBC, or it is intentional.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News

February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Solar Cycles

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.

"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)

Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

No Greenhouse

Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

 

[pneumaticmatt]

I posted this on a different thread, but I thought it directly relevant to this thread.

I think "they" are literally Salting the sky for exactly the reasons the C's said when they mentioned that HAARP is used for mind control.

Clifford E. Carnicom:

Metals are known to increase their resistance with the introduction of an electric current. As the metal becomes hotter, resistance increases and conductivity decreases. Salt water and plasmas are quite interesting in that the opposite effect occurs. The conductivity of salt water increases when temperature increases. The same effect occurs within a plasma; an increase in temperature will result in a decrease of the resistance.10, i.e, the conductivity increases. Introduction of an electric current into the plasma, or salt water for that matter, will increase the temperature and therefore the conductivity will also increase. This is in opposition to our normal experience with metals and conductors.

In the past, conductivity studies have focused on the ability of the reactive metals to lose ions through the photoionization process. This remains a highly significant aspect of the aerosol research.

The importance of this study is that a second factor has now been introduced into the conductivity equation, and that is the introduction of electric currrent itself into the plasma state. This research, through direct observation and analysis, has inadvertently turned attention once again to the HAARP facility, where ohmic heating is stated within the Eastlund patent to be a direct contributor to atmospheric conductivity increase. All evidence indicates that this plasma is saline based, which further propagates the hypothesis of increased conductivity in the atmosphere with the introduction of electric current, in addition to that provided by photoionization.

For the whole article: http//www.carnicom.com/conduct2.htm

So with this bit of information concerning saline based plasma, here is an excerpt from "SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY AND THE EARLY MIND WARS
By Richard Alan Miller"

Silent Sound Technology - "S-quad"

Silent (converted-to-voice FM) hypnosis can be transmitted using a voice frequency modulator to generate the "voice." It is a steady tone, near the high end of hearing range (15,000 Hz), plus a hypnotist's voice, varying from 300 - 4,000 Hz. These two signals are frequency modulated. The output now appears as a steady tone, like tinnitus, but with hypnosis embedded. The FM-voice controls the timing of the transmitter's pulse.

Each vertical line is one short pulse of microwave signal at a frequency to which the human brain is sensitive. Timing of each microwave pulse is controlled by each down-slope crossing of the voice wave (Sharp's method, 1974). Then the brain converts the train of microwave pulses back to inaudible voice. There is no conscious defense possible against this form of hypnosis.

Ordinary radio and TV signals use a smooth waveform called a 'sine' wave. This wave signal cannot normally penetrate the voltage gradient across the nerve cell walls. Radar signals consist of very short and powerful pulses of sine wave type signals, and can penetrate the steep voltage gradient across these nerve cell walls (Allan H. Frey, Cornell University, 1962).

Differences in osmosis of ions (dissolved salt components) cause a small voltage difference across cell walls. When a small voltage appears across a very tiny distance, the change in voltage is called very 'steep.' It is this steep gradient that keeps normal radio signals from throwing us into convulsions.

The mind-altering mechanism is based on a subliminal carrier technology: the Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS), sometimes called "S-quad" or "Squad". It was developed by Dr Oliver Lowery of Norcross, Georgia, and is described in US Patent #5,159,703, "Silent Subliminal Presentation System", dated October 27, 1992. The abstract for the patent reads:

"A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio-frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum are amplitude- or frequency-modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones, or piezoelectric transducers. The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic, or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener."

According to literature by Silent Sounds, Inc., it is now possible, using supercomputers, to analyze human emotional EEG patterns and replicate them, then store these "emotion signature clusters" on another computer and, at will, "silently induce and change the emotional state in a human being".

Edward Tilton, President of Silent Sounds, Inc., says this about S-quad in a letter dated December 13, 1996:

"All schematics, however, have been classified by the US Government and we are not allowed to reveal the exact details... ... we make tapes and CDs for the German Government, even the former Soviet Union countries! All with the permission of the US State Department, of course... The system was used throughout Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully."

"Induced Alpha to Theta Biofeedback Cluster Movement" is an output from "the world's most versatile and most sensitive electroencephalograph (EEG) machine". This device has a gain capability of 200,000, as compared to most other EEG machines (with gain capability of 50,000). It is software-driven by the "fastest of computers" using a noise nulling technology similar to that used by nuclear submarines for detecting small objects underwater at extreme range.

The purpose of all this high technology is to plot and display a moving cluster of periodic brainwave signals. The illustration shows an EEG display from a single individual, taken of left and right hemispheres simultaneously. This technology is very similar to that used to generate P300 waves.

Cloning the Emotions

By using these computer-enhanced EEGs, scientists can identify and isolate the brain's low-amplitude "emotion signature clusters," synthesize them and store them on another computer. In other words, by studying the subtle characteristic brainwave patterns that occur when a subject experiences a particular emotion, scientists have been able to identify the concomitant brainwave pattern and can now duplicate it.

"These clusters are then placed on the Silent Sound[TM] carrier frequencies and will silently trigger the occurrence of the same basic emotion in another human being!"

Regarding system delivery and applications, there is a lot more involved here than a simple subliminal sound system. There are numerous patented technologies that can be piggybacked individually or collectively onto a carrier frequency to elicit all kinds of effects.

There appear to be two methods of delivery with the system. One is direct microwave induction into the brain of the subject, limited to short-range operations. The other, as described above, utilizes ordinary radio and television carrier frequencies.

Far from necessarily being used as a weapon against a person, the system does have limitless positive applications. However, the fact that the sounds are subliminal makes them virtually undetectable and possibly dangerous to the general public.

In more conventional use, the Silent Sounds Subliminal System might utilize voice commands, e.g., as an adjunct to security systems. Beneath the musical broadcast that you hear in stores and shopping malls may be a hidden message that exhorts against shoplifting. And while voice commands alone are powerful, when the subliminal presentation system carries cloned emotional signatures, the result is overwhelming.

Free-market uses for this technology are the common self-help tapes, positive affirmation, relaxation and meditation tapes, as well as methods to increase learning capabilities. But there is strong evidence that this technology is being developed toward global mind control.

The secrecy involved in the development of the electromagnetic mind-altering technology reflects the tremendous power that is inherent in it. To put it bluntly, whoever controls this technology can control the minds of men - all men.

There is evidence that the U.S. Government has plans to extend the range of this technology to envelop all peoples, all countries. This can be accomplished, and is being accomplished, by utilizing the nearly completed HAARP project for overseas areas and the GWEN network now in place in the U.S. The U.S. Government denies all this.

Here is the link to the whole article: http//www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/newphysics/synthtele/synthtele.html

So, it may be that salting the atmosphere (chemtrails), does two things 1) Introduction of an electric current into the "plasma", will increase the temperature and therefore the conductivity will also increase thereby enabling HAARP signals farther carry. 2) Increases the salt content (and God knows what else is in this soup) of our bodies thereby enabling the weaker waveforms ('sine' waves) to penetrate the nerve cell walls increasing our susceptibility to mind control.

 

[Nienna]

I wonder WHY National Geographic decided to post an article about Habibullo Abdussamatov's "controversial theory"... Aren't they supposed to check first if a person is a fraud? Or what about other great "controversial theories" by "real" and credited scientists? Unless of course it is intentional.

I cannot say if what Abdussamatov says is correct or not. But as far as I can see, National Geographic is total Cointelpro. Whatever the Bush regime is pushing, that is what they are confirming on their shows. If the neocons/Zionists are slinging mud at Iran, then National Geographic is running programs to show how bad the political leaders are there.

I have come to the point that whatever National Geographic is showing, I start to look for an agenda for the program.

Soooooo, no I don't think that National Geographic tries to confirm anything about anyone unless they are told to do so by their handlers. They run the programs that are beneficial to the agendas that the PTB are pushing at the time.

fwiw

 

[Nević Nenad]

Belgrade, Serbia summer 2006. I don’t think that photographer know what it is on pictures

 

[dant]

Wow, Looks like in the first picture, they
are setting up a 'Tic-Tac-Toe' game. ;)

 

[stardust]

interesting videos (quite long) on

http://www.chemtrails-france.com/videos/nbc4/2006-11-17_nbc4-la_002.htm

"Toxic sky" on Nbc4 Los Angeles - Nov.17 , 2006



http://www.chemtrails-france.com/videos/las_vegas/2005-06-20_las_vegas.htm


about chemtrails in Las Vegas sky

with :

and
http://www.chemtrails-france.com/videos/19/egletons/2006-05-11/2006-05-11_egletons_001.htm

 

[the rabbit]

This from todays Guardian,to tired to comment im off to bed will tomorrow,but dont you just love the way they throw in 9/11 in the opening lines with false moonlandings and nazis killing princess Diana.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2026091,00.html
Why Channel 4 has got it wrong over climate change


Our science editor condemns television's latest foray into the debate on global warming

Robin McKie
Sunday March 4, 2007
The Observer

We live in an era of conspiracies. Princess Diana was killed by Nazis; 9/11 was the work of the US government, while the manned lunar landings were hoaxes filmed in TV studios. To this list of internet-fuelled daftness, we can now add a new plot: that the world's scientific community is not just wrong about global warming, but is collectively lying when it says industrial carbon dioxide emissions are heating up the planet.

Article continues
Michael Crichton started the ball rolling with his novel State of Fear and the idea has bubbled along nicely in online chatrooms ever since. But now the idea is to get the full terrestrial TV treatment when Channel 4 screens Thursday's The Great Global Warming Swindle, a documentary which says claims that carbon emissions are causing global warming are 'lies' and that attempts to debate the subject are being suppressed.

Given that the world's climatologists have just published a careful, sober report showing global warming is real and worrying, the programme is an astonishing foray into the debate. Certainly, there many reasons to deride it. Its contents are largely untrue, for a start. That is Channel 4's problem. Yet a couple of important points do emerge from this nonsense and we should not make the mistake of ignoring them. To back his case, director Martin Durkin interviews climate-change deniers including Phillip Stott, Piers Corbyn, Nigel Calder and Nigel Lawson who reveal their antipathy to the idea we are altering Earth's weather systems.

These names are scarcely unknown. Listeners to Today and viewers of Newsnight have been hearing Stott and the rest promote their views for years. Indeed, they have dominated and distorted the whole global warming debate, a point stressed by Alan Thorpe, head of the Natural Environment Research Council. 'These people are never off the radio or TV, yet now they claim debate is being suppressed? It is preposterous.' So what, we might ask, is the deniers' problem? Examine their movement and you see a common thread: most proponents are elderly, only a few are scientists and several have pronounced pro-market views. And hereby hangs a tale.

'It is widely assumed that to control climate change, we will need a raft of government measures and increased bureaucracy - anathema to these people,' says political philosopher John Gray. 'So they deal with the issue by denying the problem in the first place. They say there is no such thing as global warming and therefore no need for more controls. They have closed their minds.'

The problem is that denial - in all its ludicrous glory - makes it easy for us to gloss over genuine concerns about society's right reaction to global warming and carbon emissions. And that is what is wrong with Durkin's programme. It opts for dishonest rhetoric when a little effort could have produced an important contribution to a critical social problem.

Consider emission controls. This is now assumed to be as much an issue of individual responsibility as of international negotiation. Petrol-guzzling 4x4s must be taxed, foreign holidays discouraged, TVs unplugged and lavatories left unflushed. After decades of waiting, the green movement has found the cause of its dreams: a crisis that gives them carte blanche, they believe, to rule our lives.

Hairshirts are being knitted and the self-righteous are gathering. The Observer's travel desk already gets hate mail merely for highlighting interesting destinations that might seem to encourage carbon-producing air travel. No wonder those poor old deniers cringe.

But it simply does not have to be that way. For a start, air travel accounts for only 2 per cent of global carbon dioxide emissions. So I refuse to feel guilty because I have a family holiday in Spain and then write about the threatened glories of the Great Barrier Reef.

Indeed, if one looks at the world's last great ecological scare, the dwindling of our protective ozone layer, it is intriguing to see how we dealt with a threat that seemed as apocalyptic then as climate change does today. Ozone depletion, caused by CFC chemicals used in fridges and deodorants, was not contained through individual sacrifice. We were not asked to sell our Hotpoint freezers or go smelly to the office. Governments and industries agreed to replace CFCs with safe substitutes. So there was no need for an army of self-appointed greenies to sniff our armpits to check if they were suspiciously non-malodorous. The crisis was contained at an industrial, not a consumer, level, as it should be with greenhouse gases.

Climate change is a bigger, more pernicious problem and will require broader, more intense efforts to cut back on carbon emissions, which, in turn, offers more opportunities for campaigners and politicians to hijack a sound cause to gain control of people's lives. 'That is the striking thing about global warming,' says Myles Allen, of Oxford's climate dynamics group. 'It is a Christmas tree on which each of us can hang virtually everything we want.'

Thus, everyone from EU commissioners and Ken Livingstone to parish councils and writers of green-ink letters now uses global warming as an excuse to tell us how to live. Some of this advice, and attempts at lifestyle control, is sound. Some is not. Either way, it is misplaced. The lead must come from government and industry. So far it hasn't. That is incompetence. Not conspiracy.