Fire and Ice: The Day After Tomorrow

I think he was joking. It was a support group for those who think their family member has gone off the deep end reading this stuff...

Shane said:
Rich said:
This made me think (semi-seriously) that there should be a support group (or a flash movie :) )for partners of readers of SOTT to save much of the distress and misunderstanding!
I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting by a 'support group'. Can you elaborate? There is this: A Note to New Readers of Signs of the Times which might be of help.
 
I can completely relate to you all in th subject of sharing with other.

anart said:
MetaDjinn said:
I tried to manage my emotions but this through me into a hissy.
That's a tough one, especially when it is your spouse - but, over and over again we run into people who do NOT want to know - who do NOT want to See - who want to sleepwalk until they die.

So, even when they are a member of your family, free will comes into play - if they can't See it or don't want to, then that is their choice - ultimately all we can do is work on our own understanding of this reality and offer help and information to others who ask - it can be frustrating at first though, to reach that place where watching the sustained ignorance of those around us no longer hurts (as much)- it is their life and their choice.

I feel for you though - I went through something similar, as most here have, and eventually realized that discussing these things with those who do not want to hear it was not only useless and rather painful, but an enormous drain of energy. For me, at least, I found it was better to conserve that energy whenever possible so it was available for more constructive things. Oh, and it has been my experience that no amount of evidence will convince those who do not want to know - fwiw.
Yes. I think that this last point is very important. To learn to conserve the energy and make it available for more constructive and creative things.

Gimpy said:
I can live with my hubby, blind spots an all, because I do love him. I used to think he put up with all the weirdness that happens around our place, but now I am not sure he sees it. smile Its the normal response, so it doesn't upset me. I've put up with that forever.
I understand what you say. And it's good to see that it's possible to reach a point when it doesn't upset you. But personnally, the more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that I couldn't be with anyone who wasn't interested in doing the Work. If the other person is not interested in knowing the truth about themselves and the world, it is very difficult to see a real colinearity, I think. And that could lead to one of the partners blocking the other one in his will to SEE and BE, with all the consequences that this might bring in terms or energy and creativity.

But then again, I suppose every case is different, and compromises might be possible;-) There are many couples where one of the partners is interested and the other one isn't. I couldn't have that, but then, we all need different things. OSIT.
 
DonaldJHunt said:
I think he was joking. It was a support group for those who think their family member has gone off the deep end reading this stuff.
Yes I was joking and that is what i meant. Apologies Shane. As has been said before, It is particularly difficult to relate SOTT articles about the true nature of our reality to people who do not want to listen and especially hard when these are people that you love.
 
Rich said:
As has been said before, It is particularly difficult to relate SOTT articles about the true nature of our reality to people who do not want to listen and especially hard when these are people that you love.
What is curious is why it is so difficult for some people to "get it." After all, the majority of SOTT articles are straight from mainstream news sources! They are just usually the news that do not get major play on the televised news. That's what we find to be so interesting: that the Truth is Out There for anyone who exerts the effort to find it, only so few people do so.
 
A friend of mine put it thus recently and it might be your answer Laura:

In her own words, "i am not interested in what happens macrocosmically, right now i only care about my own microcosmic dramas".

Or my brother: "well, we are overpopulated and the planet cannot support us anymore, some of us have to die. That's life"
 
Irini said:
In her own words, "i am not interested in what happens macrocosmically, right now i only care about my own microcosmic dramas".

Or my brother: "well, we are overpopulated and the planet cannot support us anymore, some of us have to die. That's life"
You're right - they're right. So it is. {{ Sigh. }} It's the old Noah Syndrome:

Matthew 24 said:
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
As we strongly suspect, "the Coming of the Son of Man" is talking about something other than the "Rapture" and the "Second Coming of Jesus." All of the cosmic references refer to global cataclysm and macrocosmic quantum jumps, i.e. The Wave.

It makes me think of another NT remark:

Matthew 23:37 said:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
 
In french but interesting : http://www.alertes-meteo.com/vague_de_froid/1956.htm

And :

http://www.laterredufutur.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=343

Des effets cycliques depuis sur 60 ans démontrent un phénomène récurrent depuis 1940. Ainsi les hivers 1940-1941, 1962-1963, 1984-1985 et enfin cela sera 2006-2007 pour des hivers plus froids que d'ordinaire.
Some cyclic effects since 60 years shows a reccurent phenomena since 1940. Thus, winters 1940-4941, 1962-1963, 1984-1985 and finally it will be 2006-2007 for winters fresher than normal.

2006-2007 ?! :D
 
Jsf said:
Some cyclic effects since 60 years shows a reccurent phenomena since 1940. Thus, winters 1940-4941, 1962-1963, 1984-1985 and finally it will be 2006-2007 for winters fresher than normal. 2006-2007 ?! :D
Jsf, was not absolutely sure what "fresher" meant; when I copied the quote into "Babelfish", it translated as "colder than usually", which is sorta what I expected.
 
Well, so far, we don't have much of a "fresher/colder" winter here in France. But I worry that the slow start may mean intense cold when it does finally get going. And maybe it will last longer - like into the spring? Dunno. Not complaining, mind you, because it saves a lot on heating fuel!
 
Effects of warm weather felt widely

The unusually warm weather - widely considered to be a result of climate change - seems to be having an effect on anything from commerce to coats, paraffin to potatoes.

It is not only the business community that is feeling the heat, but also its flora and fauna.

The reason for the relatively warm weather is the high pressure over the Mediterranean that is extending to central Europe, including Hungary and the Czech Republic, explained Met. Office forecaster Ferenc Wantuch.

"We can expect the next week to remain the same, without rain or anything, and possibly throughout January," he forecast.

The maximum temperature over the last two weeks has been two degrees higher than the mean maximum temperature for January in Malta, Mr Wantuch continued.

And such temperatures have gone beyond merely making the mercury rise; there has been a marked improvement in sales, with people being pulled outdoors and bothering to shop once they are there, the director general of the Chamber of Small and Medium Enterprise - GRTU, Vince Farrugia, said.

However, there is always another side to the coin. Some retailers are also suffering - those who sell heavy winter clothes, for example. In December they were marking time hoping their thick coats would be bought in the sales - but who is going to do that now?

Ironmongers were losing out because normally more damage is caused by rain, while less damage on the streets meant bad business for contractors.

Gas distributors were also on the losing end, at what was supposed to be their peak, with a decline in the sale of gas for heaters, Mr Farrugia said. Those who retailed heaters were, effectively, selling nothing.

While people were not suffering from too many colds and flu due to the warm weather, pharmacies were experiencing the symptoms of another ailment - bad business, he said.

On the other hand, those who, over the years, had invested heavily in outdoor cafés and alfresco dining, originally instigated by the introduction of smoking regulations, were also benefiting from the good weather. It is not just the smokers who are enjoying it, Mr Farrugia observed.
 
I tried posting this under the comments to the article, but apparently I "hosed it". Anyway, for anyone who happens to be in NYC this Friday, NASA/GISS is hosting a seminar on the mass balance of the Greenland/Antarctic ice sheet and sea level rise. I suggest contacting Carl Codan, the center administrator, directly at (ccodan@giss.nasa.gov). I can't make it.

-Rick

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Friday seminar, Steve Klosko, Brian Beckley, Nikita Zelensky,
For the Planetary Geodesy Laboratory, NASA GSFC
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:47:13 -0500
From: Carl Codan <ccodan@giss.nasa.gov>
To: giss-seminars-l@giss.nasa.gov





> Recent Estimates of Mean Sea Level Rise and Ice Sheet Mass Balance
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> Presented by
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> Steve Klosko
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> Brian Beckley
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> Nikita Zelensky
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> For the Planetary Geodesy Laboratory, NASA GSFC
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> The last IPCC report noted that the ice sheet mass balance over
> Greenland and Antarctica were insufficiently well known to assess
> whether these regions were in a state of gaining or loosing mass. The
> same report noted that the global rate of sea level rise, as
> ascertained from advanced spaceborne radar altimeter systems, nearly
> overlapped the historical values, in a statistical sense, of 1.5 to 2
> mm/yr obtained from a century worth of tide gauge data.
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> With improvements in the estimate of sea level rise using altimeter
> data acquired by TOPEX/Poseidon and Jason-1, and with a great deal of
> maturation in our ability to extract mass flux signals from GRACE,
> this situation has significantly changed. We see clear evidence that
> the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are out of mass balance over
> the 2004 to 2006 time period at the level of approximately 300 Gt/yr
> (equivalent water), and this translates into a sea level rise
> augmentation of approximately 0.8 mm/yr coming from these two
> regions. GRACE also shows significant mass loss of the Alaskan and
> other continental glacial systems. This mass influx into the oceans
> is confirmed by an increase in sea level rise from +2.8 mm/yr seen in
> earlier altimeter solutions to the +4 mm/yr level seen for the most
> recent period.
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> 3rd floor seminar room, GISS, Friday, Jan. 19, 12 NOON.
 
NATURE|Vol 439|19January 2006: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v439/n7074/full/439256a.html

This article a year ago presents strong evidence to concur with Laura's article but creates doubt about whether measures of freshwater in the gulf stream are unreliable and suggests that because temperatures are now 30 degrees warmer in winter than 12000 years ago that the gulf stream stopping would not have the same effect.

The author quotes,"Broecker still believes that global warming may have surprises in store, possibly including a collapse of the thermohaline circulation, but he agrees that “the notion that it may trigger a mini ice age is a myth".

NEWS FEATURE NATURE|Vol 439|19January 2006
RAPID ALAMY

A SEA
CHANGE
Harry Bryden’s research suggests that Atlantic currents have slowed in recent years. A collapse in ocean currents triggered by global warming could be catastrophic, but only now is the Atlantic circulation being properly monitored. Quirin Schiermeier investigates.

Henry Ellis, captain of the British slave-trader Earl of Halifax, had a scientific bent. While sailing the subtropical Atlantic in 1751, he measured water temperatures at different depths, using a thermometer, a long rope and a bucket fitted with flaps that sealed water inside the vessel when it was raised. Ellis was surprised to find the coldest water in a mid-ocean layer around 1,200 metres below the surface. The Sun, he concluded, did not warm the ocean in proportion to depth. The discovery proved useful for Ellis’s crew: “By its means we supplied our cold bath, and cooled our wines or water at pleasure," he wrote in his notes. But the global significance of the Atlantic’s cold depths escaped Ellis and pretty much everyone else for the next two centuries.
He had stumbled upon the generator of a world-girdling system of currents — an enormous flow of water known as the ‘global conveyor belt’1, which transports warm surface water towards the poles and cold deep water back to the tropics. Driven by differences in temperature and salinity, this ‘thermohaline’ circulation has in recent years become infamous as the possible cause of major climatic upheaval.
But only in the past year have much-needed automated systems been installed to monitor this circulation almost constantly. “There’s a crying need for these data," says Gavin Schmidt, a leading climate modeller at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. “For the first time we’ll be able to observe the ocean ‘weather’ in all its complexity." The cold water Ellis had found in the Atlantic’s depths comes from two regions at the ocean’s north end, in the Greenland and Labrador seas. Here, saltier water coming northwards cools and sinks, before reversing south. This great submarine U-turn is peculiar to the waters of the
North Atlantic, whose extreme cold temperatures and saltiness give it a higher density than is found in the Indian and Pacific oceans.
Evidence from the ice ages suggests that shifts in the thermohaline circulation have dramatic effects on the temperature in western Europe and beyond; past shutdowns of the conveyor drastically cooled the climate all around the North Atlantic in a matter of years by stalling the currents that bring warm water northwards2. And computer models suggest that, in a seeming paradox, intense regional cooling could be triggered by global warming3. By the beginning of this century, the apparent fragility of the thermohaline circulation had made it by far the best-known exemplar of the surprising, non-linear and potentially catastrophic shifts in climate that makes the prospect of a greenhouse world so scary.

Current affairs

But the flows themselves remain surprisingly unmeasured. Until this year, almost all attempts to monitor what is happening in the Atlantic’s depths have relied on some form of Captain Ellis’s method — roaming along the surface and dredging up water from various depths as one goes. This year, scientists will have access to continuous measurements collected by 22 moored ‘profilers’ — sensors that travel up and down wires from buoys to moorings on the sea floor taking measurements as they go. The profilers
were set up last year by a UK programme called Rapid Climate Change (RAPID), a £20-million (US$35 million), sixyear programme of the Natural Environment Research Council which has installed these profilers as part of a wider scheme to quantify the likelihood and magnitude of rapid climate change in the future.
Climatologists worldwide are anxious to get hold of these data. The most recent shipboard study, published in Nature last year, suggested that the circulation might be yet more fragile than had been thought4. But at the same time, other research suggests that its potential to do harm may be much subtler than images of a Europe thrown into a mini ice age suppose.
The idea that changes in ocean circulation might be a key determinant of climate change dates back to the early twentieth century and to the great American geologist Thomas Chamberlin. In the 1950s, the oceanographer Henry Stommel pioneered scientific understanding of the three-dimensional structure of the Earth’s oceans, and of the currents that flow one way on the surface and another way at depth. But the theorizing that brought the North Atlantic branch of the great conveyor to its present fame dates back only to 1984, when Wallace Broecker, a geochemist at Lamont Doherty Geophysical Observatory at Columbia University in New York, attended a talk in Bern by Hans Oeschger, a Swiss climatologist. While Oeschger outlined his latest findings about climate instabilities and large oscillations of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the most recent ice age, it occurred to Broecker that a switching on and off of the thermohaline circulation in the North Atlantic could be the missing link. Temporary failure of the Atlantic conveyor could have wreaked havoc on climate, he thought.
Although the carbon dioxide fluctuations Oeschger wanted to explain later proved to be artefacts, the idea that the conveyor could stop and start with planet-juddering effects took off. In 1985, Broecker and his colleagues published a landmark paper5 drawing on early computer models of the ocean’s flow. They proposed that the Atlantic circulation had two distinct stable modes — one with the conveyor on and one with it off — and that it was relatively easy for it to move from one mode to the other. The distinction between the two modes, they suggested, might explain the difference in climate between ice ages and warmer interglacials. Soon thereafter, computer models began to show that an increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere might, by increasing the temperature and thus the supply of fresh water to the North Atlantic, cause just such a shutdown.
The idea of a threshold that, if passed, could cause calamity, or as Broecker termed it, “a nasty surprise in the greenhouse" , has played an increasingly important role in predicting the consequences of a greenhouse effect. In the late 1990s, William Calvin brought the idea to a wider audience with his article entitled ‘The great climate flip flop,’ which graced the cover of The Atlantic — as a neurophysiologist, Calvin had been interested in whether rapid climate change had been a decisive factor in human evolution.
A few years later, a 2003 report for the Pentagon, ‘Imagining the unthinkable’, described how rapid climate change caused by such a shutdown could pose threats to whole societies and the peaceful coexistence of nations. Shortly thereafter, a film called The Day after Tomorrow pictured the citizenry of the United states chased over the Mexican border by an instant ice age; again, the North Atlantic was to blame.
Given the thermohaline circulation’s pivotal role in discussions of climate change, there was much excitement when, last november, Nature published evidence suggesting that the system could have slowed down dramatically4. The evidence had been gathered by Harry Bryden, an oceanographer at the University of Southampton, UK, and his team, while on a research cruise that also put the finishing touches to the deployment of RAPID.
Comparing their 2004 measurements with data from 1957, 1981, 1992 and 1998, Bryden and his colleagues found that some of the warm surface water that used to flow northwards now seemed to remain trapped in the subtropical Atlantic, looping east and then returning south rather than heading north. Altogether, the ‘overturning’ circulation at 25 N — the latitude where Ellis had first
probed the ocean 250 years before — seemed to have decreased by about 30%.

In too deep

The result came as a surprise to those in the field. Few scientists had thought that such dramatic slowing of the thermohaline
circulation could happen so soon. Models suggest that the increase in fresh water needed for a conveyor shutdown would not be expected without a global warming. The most complex computer models of the climate and oceans, the sort used to make climate predictions for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), suggest that the flow might be expected to slow by an average of 25% by the end of the twenty-first century, but not to shut down completely3.

Running complex models long enough to simulate some sorts of change, however, uses an unfeasible amount of computing power. So for some purposes ‘intermediate’ models can capture things better. Stefan Rahmstorf, an oceanographer
at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) in Germany recently compared the circulation’s response to an influx of fresh water in 11 simpler models; all showed a threshold, called the bifurcation point, beyond which the thermohaline circulation cannot be sustained7.

The size of the threshold suggests that the possibility of shutdown is real, but not immediate. Rahmstorf says, “It is very unlikely that it will become really critical for the thermohaline circulation within the next 100 years."
This is not to say that freshwater flows are not increasing;they are. The annual runoff of the six mightiest rivers draining into the Arctic Ocean, including Russia’s Ob, Lena and Yenisey, is now 128 cubic kilometres greater than it was when routine measurements began 70 years ago8, an increase of about 7%. In addition, rising temperatures are making sea ice melt more rapidly. Perhaps most important, the huge Greenland ice sheet is showing worrying signs of disintegration; it is currently thought to be shrinking by 50 cubic kilometres per year9.
Ruth Curry, an oceanographer at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, has investigated how much of this extra fresh water lingers in the parts of the Greenland and Labrador seas that are critical for the functioning of the thermohaline circulation. Her recent analysis of 1950 to 2005 salinity data suggests that 4,000 cubic kilometres — eight times the annual outflow of the Mississippi river — of fresh water have accumulated in the upper ocean layers since the 1960s. “The extra freshwater input is beginning to affect density," she says. But the amount of fresh water needed to shut down the thermohaline circulation
in Rahmstorf ’s comparisons is an order of magnitude greater than the flux reported by Curry, and she agrees that the circulation will not be unduly affected this century.

Peter Wadhams, an oceanographer at the University of Cambridge, UK, last year reported a substantial weakening of convection ‘chimneys’ down which surface water flows in the Greenland sea, but it is unknown how much of the observed effect is due to natural variability. This is all hard to reconcile with Bryden’s findings, which suggest that a strong slowdown is already under way. “Something strange is going on here," says Michael Schlesinger, a climate modeller at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who views the possibility of a thermohaline circulation shutdown as more likely and more worrying than many of his peers. “If Bryden’s findings are real it means that the circulation is much more sensitive to fresh water than any model has ever predicted."
It is not just that the results are unexpected — they also seem hard to reconcile with other data. If the circulation were slowing down as Bryden suggests, one might expect that Europe would already be getting colder. The North Atlantic transports around a petawatt of heat —equivalent to the thermal output of about 500,000 large power stations — towards Europe. Interrupting that flow should have a cooling effect on the climate, but no such change has been seen.

A fragile balance

It may be that the system has a previously unexpected level of natural variation. Or it could be that Bryden recorded noise, rather than a signal — did a set of readings, through coincidence, the presence of ocean eddies and other natural
disturbances, make it seem that the circulation was slowing when it wasn’t? A statistical artefact cannot be
excluded. “The results are based, after all, on just five snapshots of an extremely noisy and under-sampled system,"
says Carl Wunsch, a physical oceanographer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who harbours long-standing
doubts about the significance of the thermohaline circulation and its possible shutdown. “The story is appealing, but it is a very extreme interpretation of the data. It’s like measuring temperatures in Hamburg on five random days and then concluding that the climate is getting warmer or colder."
In response to his critics, Bryden points to data on the density of the ocean at various depths gathered at the same time as the flow readings, which provide independent support for the idea that the circulation is slowing. But although other scientists are less harsh than Wunsch, many remain cautious. “Bryden’s results are extraordinary," says Schmidt, “but this is exactly why they also require extraordinary evidence."
If Bryden’s results are correct, there is another explanation of the lack of cooling in Europe: that a slowdown of the thermohaline circulation will not have the dire effects that have been suggested. It may be that, in today’s climate, the role of the thermohaline circulation in warming Europe has been overestimated. A paper published in 2002 suggested that the westerlies, the dominant winds in mid-latitudes that blow from west to east play a much larger role Warming is increasing the flow of fresh water
into the sea, which could trigger the collapse of currents. Profiles of salinity and temperature can now be obtained from sensors moored in the Atlantic ocean.

But much of the heat transported in the atmosphere ultimately comes from the ocean. “It is true that the atmosphere does the heavy lifting," says Jeff Severinghaus, an oceanographer at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California, who was once a student of Broecker’s. “But the ocean exerts the control, just like the driver of a car."
Evidence for the huge effects of past thermohaline shutdowns is near indisputable. The best case is that of a 1,300-year cold period that occurred around 12,000 years ago, known as the Younger Dryas. The carbon isotope ratios in fossilized plankton from the period suggest that the thermohaline circulation was much slower than it is today (slow circulation allows light carbon isotopes to build up near the ocean’s surface).
This slowdown coincided with a vast surge of fresh water into the North Atlantic. The melting of the ice-caps as the ice age ended created a vast reservoir of fresh water known as Lake Agassiz. It was far larger than any of today’s GreatLakes, over parts of Minnesota, Dakota and Manitoba —Lake Agassiz. To the east, the lake was bordered by a tongueof the Laurentide ice sheet. When the tongue collapsed, a huge amount of water flooded down the St Lawrence River and into the Atlantic.

According to ice cores drilled in Greenland, similarly large temperature oscillations — the Daansgard-Oeschger events that first piqued Broecker’s interest in the 1980s — took place throughout the 90,000 years of the most recent ice age. It is likely that they were also caused by the thermohaline circulation stalling.
But in this respect, as in others, the past may not be a straightforward guide to the present. The consequences of a shutdown could depend on the climate at the time the current stalls. Broecker now believes that the cooling in the Younger Dryas and the Daansgard-Oeschger events came about because the shutdown of the thermohaline circulation was exacerbated by a positive feedback, in the form of enhanced winter sea-ice formation. An influx of fresh water at high latitudes encourages the formation of sea ice, because fresh water freezes more easily. Because ice reflects sunlight, and stops heat from the ocean below reaching the atmosphere, spreading sea ice would strongly amplify cooling due to thermohaline slowdown, especially in winter.
Studies of moraines in Greenland and Scandinavia show that during the Younger Dryas the cooling in summers was relatively
moderate, whereas in wintertime temperatures must have been more than 30 C lower than now.
It is hard to evaluate the amplifying role of sea ice very precisely. Most coupled ocean–atmosphere models include a sea-ice component, but the representation is crude and leads to an unrealistic simulation of sea-ice distributions. If this feedback is as important as Broecker thinks, then the effects of a thermohaline circulation shutdown in a warmed world may be very different from those seen during the ice ages and their immediate aftermath.

Today, satellite images show sea-ice cover at a historic low. In a world that had undergone the degree of warming needed to trigger a thermohaline shutdown in most models there would be almost none.
Rahmstorf speaks for many climate researchers when he rejects the idea that a thermohaline shutdown in today’s climate would lead to a rerun of the Younger Dryas, in which large parts of Europe were frozen. “You can’t just assume a linear relationship and say that everything will happen on a 5 higher level," says Rahmstorf. Broecker still believes that global warming may have surprises in store, possibly including a collapse of the thermohaline circulation, but he agrees that “the notion that it may trigger a
mini ice age is a myth".

Earth watch

The fact that a future shutdown might not have the predicted effects on climate might go some way to explaining how Bryden could observe the circulation slowing — or at least fluctuating — without major climatic consequences, at least so far. Although Severinghaus agrees that this may be part of the story, he and many of his peers would rather believe that there was a randomly wrong signal in the data. “It just doesn’t quite fit," says Schmidt. “If the circulation has been 30% down for a decade, it should
at least have produced a 1–2 drop in sea surface temperature even if it didn’t cool Europe. But no such thing has been observed.
Bryden says that the new RAPID system for monitoring flow in the Atlantic should allow them to know within a decade whether they found a long-term slowdown or a natural fluctuation. Other new approaches may also help. The ARGO system, part of the international Global Climate Observing System, is a fleet of robotic floats that monitors temperature, salinity and current in the upper 2,000 metres of the Indian, Atlantic and Pacific oceans. The free-drifting floats sink to pre-established depths and then surface to transmit their data to satellites. ARGO data are invaluable for monitoring changes in remote ocean regions, according to Lynn Talley, a physical oceanographer of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, California. For example,
they have already revealed a spectacular warming of the southern ocean surrounding Antarctica, she says.
And in situ monitors are not the only way of keeping an eye on the deep ocean. A weakening of the thermohaline circulation would change the entire topography of the sea surface, says Rahmstorf. Such large-scale changes could be picked up by satellites. A recent simulation12 suggests that the sea level of the North Atlantic could rise locally by up to a metre as a result of adjustments to the density flows below the surface; in some regions the rate of change could be up Carl Wunsch believes
the effect of Atlantic circulation on climate has been overblown.
The shutdown of the Atlantic currents plunged New York into an ice age in The Day After Tomorrow.

Scientists have begun using satellite altimetry to see if such changes are already observable; again, they expect robust results within a decade. Modellers also have much to do. Most model studies, such as those used by the IPCC, look at how a reshwaterinduced shutdown of the thermohaline circulation might change temperatures if everything else remained the same.
A harder question is what a shutdown might mean in a world that is, on average, getting warmer. Bryden’s findings have caused a stir throughout the climate research community; lead authors of the chapters on ocean physics and circulation in the IPCC’s fourth assessment, due in 2007, are reworking their submissions.

Future unknown

Wolfgang Cramer, an ecologist at PIK, predicts complex changes in the climate, with some effects exacerbating each other and some that cancel each other out. For example, Cramer says, meteorological perturbations caused by a thermohaline shutdown could lead to a dramatic increase in the frequency of major floods and storms in large parts of Europe even if overall temperatures do not drop. “It’s not the mean, it’s the extremes that are most worrying," he says. One aspect of the problem is that the thermohaline circulation is not just a climatic affair. Its effect on ocean circulations means it influences the rates at which nutrientrich bottom water rises to the surface all around the world. A recent simulation suggests a shutdown might lead North
Atlantic plankton stocks to collapse to less than half their current biomass13. Globally, a decline of more than 20% might be expected thanks to reduced upwelling of nutrient- rich deep water and gradual depletion of upper-ocean nutrient concentrations.
“Plankton builds the base of the marine food web. So a decline in global plankton biomass and productivity can be expected to have consequences for fish, squid and whales as well," says Andreas Schmittner, a climate researcher at Oregon State University in Corvallis. “A weaker Atlantic overturning circulation could result in a reduced fish supply to people living along the shore lines of the Pacific and Indian Oceans."

Other possible effects of a shutdown predicted by models include warming in the tropics, or, rather surprisingly, over Alaska and Antarctica. Rainfall patterns might change, too. A southern shift of the thermal equator — which has accompanied thermohaline circulation shutdowns during ice ages — could lead to monsoon failures, and droughts in Asia and the Sahel region, says Severinghaus, and these effects seem to be independent of sea ice. Such shifts could have severe consequences for poor farmers in many parts of the world, consequences that may be considerably more disruptive than colder winters in affluent northern Europe, says Severinghaus. And, as Schlesinger points out, a weakening or stopping of the thermohaline circulation would
reduce the carbon dioxide uptake of the ocean, which would mean a positive feedback on global warming. The oceans currently absorb about a third of the carbon dioxide released from fossil fuels, although the proportion is set to decrease as emissions climb.
Some 250 years after Captain Ellis first probed the Atlantic, its depths still hold secrets and threats. Even in a new age of constant monitoring and improved modelling, it will be some time before the likelihood, and the probable effects, of a thermohaline circulation slowdown can be predicted with accuracy. The intricacies of a system thatdepends on delicate balances between fresh and salt water over vast ocean basins, on the details of atmospheric circulation, wind-driven currents and the topography of deep
sea floors will not yield answers quickly. “If you would like to learn how a planet operates you would probably not choose the Earth," remarks Schlesinger. We greenhouse dwellers, alas, do not have a choice.

Quirin Schiermeier is Nature’s German correspondent.

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Hi Everyone:

I was going to check my e-mail this morning and I saw this article on yahoo's front page. I thought... hhhmm, what interesting timing, and thought to post it here.

From Yahoo.ca http://ca(dot)news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070117/world/doomsday_clock_1

'Doomsday Clock' moves closer to midnight amid nuclear, environmental fears

By Raphael G. Satter
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LONDON (AP) - The world is nudging closer to nuclear or environmental apocalypse, a group of prominent scientists warned Wednesday as it pushed the hand of its symbolic Doomsday Clock closer to midnight.

The clock, which was set two minutes forward to 11:55, represents the likelihood of a global cataclysm. Its ticks have given the clock's keepers a chance to speak out on the dangers they see threatening Earth.

It was the fourth time since the Soviet collapse in 1991 that the clock ticked forward amid fears over what the scientists describe as "a second nuclear age" prompted largely by standoffs with Iran and North Korea. But urgent warnings of climate change also played a role.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which sets the clock, was founded in 1945 as a newsletter distributed among nuclear physicists concerned about nuclear war, and midnight originally symbolized a widespread nuclear conflict. The bulletin has grown into an organization focused more generally on manmade threats to human civilization.

"The dangers posed by climate change are nearly as dire as those posed by nuclear weapons," said Kennette Benedict, director of the bulletin.

Stephen Hawking, the renowned cosmologist and mathematician, told The Associated Press that global warming has eclipsed other threats to the planet, such as terrorism.

"Terror only kills hundreds or thousands of people," Hawking said. "Global warming could kill millions. We should have a war on global warming rather than the war on terror."

This is the first time the bulletin has explicitly addressed the threat from climate change.

"We are transforming, even ravaging the entire biosphere. These environmentally driven threats - threats without enemies - should loom as large as did the East-West divide during the Cold War era," said Martin Rees, president of the Royal Society, Britain's academy of science.

"Unless they rise higher on international agendas, remedial action may come too late," he added.

There is no actual Doomsday Clock in keeping with the bulletin's symbolic exercise. But the group has used several makeshift clocks or replicas over the years in logos, images and publications.

Since it was set to seven minutes to midnight in 1947, the Doomsday Clock has been moved 18 times, including Wednesday's adjustment. It came closest to midnight - just two minutes away - in 1953 after the successful test of a hydrogen bomb by the United States. It has been as far away as 17 minutes, set there in 1991 following the demise of the Soviet Union.

The decision to move the clock is made by the bulletin's board, composed of scientists and policy experts, in co-ordination with the group's sponsors, who include Hawking and science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke.

Despite the organization's new focus on global warming, the prospect of nuclear war remained its primary concern, the bulletin's editor, Mark Strauss, told The AP.

"It's important to emphasize 50 of today's nuclear weapons could kill 200 million people," he said.

The organization floated a variety of proposals to help control the threat of nuclear proliferation and repeated a call to nuclear nations to whittle down their arsenals and reduce the launch readiness of their weapons.

Panelist Lawrence Krauss, a physics professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, criticized the use of military means to deal with nuclear proliferation and emphasized the use of diplomacy.

"If we want to address proliferation we want to do it in a unified way, and not with the sole country acting pre-emptively," he said.

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More evidence of glacial thickening during the “global warming�� from an article Is a New Ice Age Under Way?. I am only going to quote the part that talks about Mt. Ranier in Washington State, U.S.A. The rest of the article talks about what causes ice ages which is pretty much the same as have been stated in other articles on this site.


by Laurence Hecht
“Watch out, Al Gore. The glaciers will get you!�� With that appended note, my friend, retired field geologist Jack Sauers, forwarded to me a report that should have been a lead item in every newspaper in the world. It was the news that the best-measured glacier in North America, the Nisqually on Mount Rainier, has been growing since 1931.

The significance of the fact, immediately grasped by any competent climatologist, is that glacial advance is an early warning sign of Northern Hemisphere chilling of the sort that can bring on an Ice Age. The last Little Ice Age continued from about 1400 to 1850. It was followed by a period of slight warming. There are a growing number of signs that we may be descending into another Little Ice Age—all the mountains of “global warming�� propaganda aside.

Our current understanding of the long-term climate cycles shows that for the past 800,000 years, periods of approximately 100,000 years’ duration, called Ice Ages, have been interrupted by periods of approximately 10,000 years, known as Interglacials. (We are now about 10,500 years into the present Interglacial.)

On Nisqually
That brings us to the Nisqually glacier, up on the 14,410-foot Mount Rainier, near Tacoma, Wash. Just 85 feet shy of Mount Whitney, the highest point in the lower 48 states, Mount Rainier has 26 glaciers, and is the largest single peak system in the United States.

In 1931, fearful that the receding glacier would provide insufficient runoff for their newly completed hydroelectric facility, Tacoma City Light began careful measurements of the glacier. Since the mid-1800s, the glacier had receded about 1 kilometer. Annual to semi-annual measurements, continued by the U.S. Geological Survey and private contractors for the National Park Service, provide the longest continuous series of glacier measurements in North America.

The details are described in a report by government specialists, which appeared in the September 2000 issue of Washington Geology:

“The greatest thickening during the period of measurement occurred between 1931 and 1945, when the glacier thickened by about 50% near 2,800 meters of altitude. This and subsequent thickenings during the mid-1970s to mid-1980s produced waves that advanced its terminus. Glacier thinning occured during intervening periods. Between 1994 and 1997, the glacier thickened by 17 meters at 2,800-m altitude, indicating probable glacier advance during the first decade of the 21st century.��

That’s the story from Mount Rainier. Retired geologist Sauers, who has been observing conditions in the Cascade Mountains of western Washington for a lifetime, says “I’m preparing for an Ice Age.�� Perhaps we all should.
Laurence Hecht is Editor-in-Chief of 21st Century.
 
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