Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches

[MK Scarlett]

Unfortunately, I am far from being a techie! What I did was paste section by section on Deepl, then copy& paste the translation here. Then, I dragged the images from the article, or the links to tweets. It took a while. So, I think you ended up doing pretty much the same or better.

Thanks Chu for your answer, then it was not that "easy" and took time I had no more at the moment I wanted to share the translation...

I'm curious about something ... this photo still haunts me? When this photo was taken on the Cathedral grounds, the firemen were still in the process of getting the fire under control. Yet, Macron stands there "perfectly calm and reserved" no signs of distress, which can be observed on the faces of those in attendance? In a perfectly orchestrated delivery, he announces, "We'll rebuild Notre Dame together." Very scripted.

French President Macron: 'We'll rebuild Notre-Dame together' April 16, 2019


French President Emmanuel Macron pledged to rebuild Notre-Dame cathedral on Monday after a blaze devastated large parts of the gothic gem on Monday.

Day after the fire, Macron announces "he will rebuild Notre Dame in 5 years"? No one in the media or the press has questioned - how he arrived at that figure, although people question how that will be accomplished in such a short time? Even before a full investigation was under way, arson had already been ruled out - it had to be an accident or electrical or something else? The timeline Macron has given brings us to the year 2024, which also happens to be the year of the Paris Olympics. So, that could be a good reason for a 5 year estimate?

Macron vows to rebuild Notre Dame Cathedral in five years ... April 17, 2019
Emanuel Macron has set an ambitious timeline for rebuilding Notre Dame, vowing to complete the work within fiveyears. Benefactors have already pledged hundreds of millions of euros to help with the rebuild. "We will rebuild…and make it even better than before"

Another spin on numbers ... Macron has been in Office for two years and is up for re-election in 2022, after a 5 year term. He's allowed to run for a second - 5 year term. How does the 2024 restoration of the Notre Dame Cathedral and the Paris Olympics fit in? Is Macron of the mind-set, he already has the election "in the bag" or did it take "an accidental fire" to cement it?

The man behind the Macron's left shoulder is Richard Ferrand - whom is also concerned by cases and controversies (Only on French Wikipédia as the English one does not show these informations) - is:

a French politician serving as President of the National Assembly since 2018. He has been the member of the National Assembly for Finistère's 6th constituency since 2012.[1] A longtime member of the Socialist Party, he was the General Secretary of La République En Marche! from October 2016 and became leader of the La République En Marche! group of the National Assembly in June 2017.

And also has

By watching this Macron's announce in Live, I was mostly seeking any gesture from the main people there (politics one), and while Hidalgo (Major of Paris, the woman behind Macron) and Édouard Philippe (1st Minister with a beard) didn't seem to let much appear on their faces or in their gesture (maybe they have more training in this exercise), this Ferrand guy seemed (to me) have more difficulties controlling his gesture and facial expressions and although it is still difficult to imagine what was going on in his head at the time, he sometimes seemed surprised by what Macron said or how he said what he said. Not to mention Macron himself, who could not help but let his disgusting smile comes to the surface.


Mabar shared an interesting (whose reading is worth a visit) point of view about N-D fire in the Do some French people see what's going on? Yellow Vest Protests thread comment which also show a previous picture of Macron and Philippe going to N-D in order for the speech above:

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Communiqué of the French Nationalist Circles of 19 April 2019
COMMUNIQUÉ FROM FRENCH NATIONALIST CIRCLES
April 19, 2019
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In any case, it may be for Emmanuel Macron and Édouard Philippe, who we see giggling when we arrive at the scene of the fire, before taking a sad look in front of the official cameras...

Their giggling is full of meaning when we learn that there were two starting points for the fire, which, together with the other elements we know, confirms the criminal origin of the tragedy.

Especially since we have just learned that the Ministry of Culture has "banned architects of historic monuments from answering interviews about Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral".
(...)

Edit: Added datas about Ferrand

 

[Hi_Henry]

Thanks Chu for your answer, then it was not that "easy" and took time I had no more at the moment I wanted to share the translation...
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The man behind the Macron's left shoulder is Richard Ferrand - whom is also concerned by cases and controversies (Only on French Wikipédia as the English one does not show these informations) - is:

Have a look at the image at exactly 4:10 min. in the video "Emmanuel Macron devant Notre-Dame de Paris: "cette cathédrale, nous la rebâtirons""

Here is my screen capture. The only person that convincingly looked like they were sad that night was Brigitte Macron. The rest , emotionally, look to be on a different plane of existence.

This is what I see,

 

[Hi_Henry]

In my searching for detailed measurement of ND I came upon this paper,

The Dual L anguage of Geometr y in Gothic Architecture: The S ymbolic M essage of E uclidi an Geometr y versus the V isual D ialogue of F ractal Geometr y

Some interesting interpretations.


Pentagram

 

[Chu]

Anyway, lots of work, it's a Monday, and it is the middle of the month, so it may have been a payday, and since Easter was a week away workers had to work around the church schedule. So, at the end of the day, they want to go cash their paycheck, have a beer, go to the cabaret, ect. A tired worker flicked their cigarette on the way out and the rest is history.

And you think that nobody here already considered at first that it may have been an accident? I don't know what you are trying to get at, but it is AFTER that, that plain observation just didn't match the official theory. That's all.

I wonder if you've actually read the posts in this thread before commenting... In fact, I wonder if you've ever seen scaffolding being built (that's all the "works" that were ongoing). And if you have ever seen a wooden ashtray and how much it would take to burn even that.

Definitely not a payday either, in France.

We're not talking crazy conspiracies here, just looking at the evidence, the narrative, and discussing it. And it really isn't difficult to see that things don't add up. If you want to continue on about the "accidental causes", then you need to provide more relevant data. The mainstream media are trying to do just that, and so far, they are not convincing at all.

 

[Hi_Henry]

With the technology and know-how we have in the year 2019 I think there should be no problem in taking down heavy objects. The tool used is called a crane.

However in the case of Notre Dame there were problems. There was some "concern" that the heads of the apostles might fall off and be damaged so the heads were taken off with a blowtorch !!!







Bat *&^t Crazy

Quelques jours avant l’incendie à Notre-Dame, TF1 avait filmé le chantier de restauration

gloria.tv

 

[Metrist]

And you think that nobody here already considered at first that it may have been an accident? I don't know what you are trying to get at, but it is AFTER that, that plain observation just didn't match the official theory. That's all.

I wonder if you've actually read the posts in this thread before commenting... In fact, I wonder if you've ever seen scaffolding being built (that's all the "works" that were ongoing). And if you have ever seen a wooden ashtray and how much it would take to burn even that.

Definitely not a payday either, in France.

We're not talking crazy conspiracies here, just looking at the evidence, the narrative, and discussing it. And it really isn't difficult to see that things don't add up. If you want to continue on about the "accidental causes", then you need to provide more relevant data. The mainstream media are trying to do just that, and so far, they are not convincing at all.

Well, I don't know what actually happened, and neither does anyone else, that's one of the reasons why we are commenting.

And I just wanted to make a case for a particular theory - since it was the most obvious - was it an accident?

I feel I've covered it pretty good and have nothing to add. Sorry if I offended, but if you look for answers, you might not like what you see, and it is explicit, and if it isn't actually the truth, it leaves nothing to the imagination, making a discussion uncomfortable. So, sorry if I came across wrong.

Oh, one more thing... (sorry, I can't help it) ... at least no one died or got hurt. And it was in such a state of decay that it was already in need of repair. And because of this, donations are plentyful. So it's not as bad as it seems. It needed work, and now there is more money to do the work. And the new roof won't be such a fire hazard with the repairs.

 

[loreta]

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Anyway, lots of work, it's a Monday, and it is the middle of the month, so it may have been a payday, and since Easter was a week away workers had to work around the church schedule. So, at the end of the day, they want to go cash their paycheck, have a beer, go to the cabaret, ect. A tired worker flicked their cigarette on the way out and the rest is history.

It is not so simple and this idea that the "workers" at Notre Dame are simply workers, like those we see on the streets, it is erroneous, I think so. Those who are responsible at Notre Dame for the reparations are that, responsible. This strange idea that all workers just think about beer and cabaret... Maybe in the movies. But maybe you are ironic. Are you ?

 

[Metrist]

But maybe you are ironic. Are you ?

I was being silly. But I considered it was a payday and someone replied it is salary and monthly. It's different for every company where I live.

 

[Maat]

I was being silly. But I considered it was a payday and someone replied it is salary and monthly. It's different for every company where I live.

Payday or not, your little scenario had the same flavour Macron serves us : disdain and contempt.

 

[Esote]

Here is a French article saying that the roof fire of the Nantes Cathedral in 1972 (similar to the ND fire) happened like if it were a box of matches (from the saying of a fireman who was there)...

https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/nantes-44000/nantes-cathedrale-et-basilique-ravagees-se-sont-relevees-6311919

 

[Hi_Henry]

Here is another famous person tied to Notre Dame history of which I was not aware.

Charles De Gaulle was tough, and he never panicked. There is no better example of his mettle than his behavior during an August 1963 assassination attempt in Notre Dame Cathedral. Assassins actually opened fire on De Gaulle inside the church during services. Did De Gaulle flee the cathedral or duck down in a pew? Negative. The General stood tall facing the altar and continued to sing the Te Deum, a sacred hymn of praise to God

August 22, 1962: While De Gaulle and his wife were on their way to Villacoulbay Airport, their presidential limousine was ambushed by 15 members of the OAS on an avenue in the Paris suburb of Petit Clamart. The assassins all had automatic weapons, and more than 100 rounds were fired. Twelve bullets entered the car and two struck the tires but, remarkably, no one was hurt. De Gaulle did, however, cut his finger brushing a piece of broken glass off his coat. This is the attack when De Gaulle reportedly made the famous remark “They shot like pigs,” but what he actually said was “Quels maladroits!” which loosely translates to “What idiots!"

The war over Algerian independence was a formative experience for many on the contemporary far right and for France as a whole. It was a bloody national trauma of near unimaginable proportions: torture of Algerians by the French military and by paramilitary terrorists; the defection of huge swaths of the French army; an attempted military coup d'état that nearly brought down the government; pervasive state suppression of free speech and the press; and multiple attempted assassinations of president Charles de Gaulle, who returned at the peak of the drama to cut Algeria loose and restore order. It was a time of chaos and absence of leadership that is difficult to imagine in France today and triggered intense political passions that drew in every French intellectual of the time. Your political positions could get you killed: in addition to the president, OAS terrorists bombed Jean-Paul Sartre’s apartment twice for his support of the Algerian nationalists.

 

[loreta]

I was being silly. But I considered it was a payday and someone replied it is salary and monthly. It's different for every company where I live.

You can be silly if you want, it is better not to be. Not in a subject as important and vital like this fire. All fires are important and be silly with them is not good at all. Nobody died in this fire but what is behind is as important as the subject of the Gilets jaunes. What is behind the ND fire is the visage of some crapulentus people that don't care about anything than money. They are ignorant, they are thieves. They don't care about people also. They are liars and brigands.

I don't know if you understand French, but if you go at Youtube you will see that many many people don't believe in the oficial version and have good ideas why this lie has been made. It is very good to listen to them, listen to people that know that this fired was not an accident. So maybe you should follow Chu's advice, start from zero, read this thread again.

 

[thorbiorn]

"Rebuilding" Notre Dame? PJW comments during first couple of minutes in "Latest atrocities in Modern Achitecture"

 

[Adaryn]

The war over Algerian independence was a formative experience for many on the contemporary far right and for France as a whole. It was a bloody national trauma of near unimaginable proportions: torture of Algerians by the French military and by paramilitary terrorists; the defection of huge swaths of the French army; an attempted military coup d'état that nearly brought down the government; pervasive state suppression of free speech and the press; and multiple attempted assassinations of president Charles de Gaulle, who returned at the peak of the drama to cut Algeria loose and restore order. It was a time of chaos and absence of leadership that is difficult to imagine in France today and triggered intense political passions that drew in every French intellectual of the time. Your political positions could get you killed: in addition to the president, OAS terrorists bombed Jean-Paul Sartre’s apartment twice for his support of the Algerian nationalists.

Just a comment on this as I don't want to derail this thread: De Gaulle was certainly a hero of WWII, but his attitude during the Algerian war was more than a little ambiguous, and he's (understandably) seen as a betrayer by many French pieds-noirs and Harkis (those tens of thousands of Algerian muslims who sided with France during the war and, being denied shelter in France by the French state after the ceasefire in 1962, were tortured and slaughtered by Algerian nationalists).
"Here is the assessment that former Algerian resident minister, Robert Lacoste, Governor General until 13 May 1958 and a socialist deputy – therefore not very favourable to colonisation – made of de Gaulle: "De Gaulle ended the Algerian war like a butcher"."
/end of parenthesis/

 

[jsf]

In my searching for detailed measurement of ND I came upon this paper,

The Dual L anguage of Geometr y in Gothic Architecture: The S ymbolic M essage of E uclidi an Geometr y versus the V isual D ialogue of F ractal Geometr y

Some interesting interpretations.

Pentagram

About this topic, there is a beautiful book (in french but mostly illustrations), by Thierry de Champris

Here is an example :

Amazon.fr

www.amazon.fr

_Autour de Cathédrales : le Verbe géométrique, par Thierry de Champris, éditions Guy Trédaniel.

(in french)