Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches

Wasn't there also an attack on St. Nicholas in northern France in February? And a fire at Saint Alain cathedral in south-central France around the same time?

Also this time of the year is when a number of bad things have happened, right around tax time: Columbine, Titanic, Va Tech shooting, and Boston Marathon bombings to name just a few. Very weird.

All happened in April :-

My Lai massacre

Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum art heist

Hillsborough Stadium disaster

Battle of Culloden

Good Friday Massacre, which, despite its name, involved no deaths

Black Monday

The return of Apollo 13




 
Something else about the bells:

In 2013, on January 31st, nine all new bells arrived at Notre-Dame. Nine bells (they are ten) because the bigger one Emmanuel is the only one which has not been replaced:
They had started their journey around 9am before returning to Paris through the Porte Maillot. Bishop Patrick Jacquin, Rector of Notre-Dame, escorted the bells on a double-decker bus. Two police bikers were leading the way.

Throughout their Parisian journey, the bells were greeted by hundreds of passers-by before arriving at Notre-Dame where they were greeted by the cheers of the crowd, the old bells of Notre-Dame ringing loud and clear.

Designed to last 200 to 300 years

Eight of these bells were made by the Cornille Havard foundry in its 19th century oven. They are destined for the north tower of Notre-Dame. The ninth, the largest of the new bells, the "small" bumblebee Marie, was cast by the Royal Eijbouts foundry in Asten (Netherlands) before joining the Norman foundry which centralizes the Church's control. It will take place in the south tower next to the great bumblebee Emmanuel (330 years old, 13.2 tons in F#), the only bell that is not renewed.

The full name of the bell is the "Emmanuel Bumblebee" and was named by his godfather Louis XIV. Emmanuel is also the big bumblebee of Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral and the second largest bell in France, after the Savoyarde. And there is more:
A first bell, called Jacqueline, was given in 1400 by Jean de Montaigu (brother of Bishop Gérard de Montaigu), who gave it his wife's name1. It was rebuilt in 1430, then in 1681 by the Parisian founder Florentin Le Guay, where it was called Emmanuel1 in honour of Jesus Christ. The cast iron having been missed, it was redone in 1686. His sponsorship having been ensured by Louis XIV and his wife Marie-Thérèse of Austria, she also bears the first name Marie-Thérèse.

Marie-Thérèse rings to me as they are my two first names even if it the first one is Myriam, it means Marie in Hebrew... :halo:
 
Regarding an healthy POV, the Arrow of N-D was made of 500 tons of oak and 250 tons of lead.

All that lead melted and went up in smoke in the air, at least in part. So, what will be multiple consequences for all people (inhabitants and workers) and animals/vegetables around N-D in Paris and in a larger way, around Paris and its West areas as the wind pushed the smoke in that direction on yesterday evening? We could see it coming above us before nightfall as we live in the West of Paris.

One immediately think about saturnisme, and then, what else?
I guess it all depend on how people are healthy or not to beginning with...

Lead Exposure in Adults - A Guide for Health Care Providers
How Are Adults Exposed to Lead?
Lead exposure occurs when lead dust or fumes are inhaled, or when lead is ingested via contaminated hands, food, water, cigarettes or clothing. Lead entering the respiratory and digestive systems is released to the blood and distributed throughout the body. More than 90% of the total body burden of lead is accumulated in the bones, where it is stored. Lead in bones may be released into the blood, re-exposing organ systems long after the original exposure.

What are the Adverse Health Effects that Lead Exposure Can Have on Adults?
The toxic nature of lead is well documented. Lead affects all organs and functions of the body to varying degrees. The frequency and severity of symptoms among exposed individuals depends upon the amount of exposure. The list below shows many of the key lead-induced health effects.
  • Neurological Effects
    • Peripheral neuropathy
    • Fatigue / Irritability
    • Impaired concentration
    • Hearing loss
    • Wrist / Foot drop
    • Seizures
    • Encephalopathy
  • Gastrointestinal Effects
    • Nausea
    • Dyspepsia
    • Constipation
    • Colic
    • Lead line on gingival tissue
  • Reproductive Effects
    • Miscarriages/Stillbirths
    • Reduced sperm count & motility
    • Abnormal sperm
  • Heme Synthesis
    • Anemia
    • Erythrocyte protoporphyrin elevation
  • Renal Effects
    • Chronic nephropathy with proximal tubular damage
    • Hypertension
  • Other
    • Arthralgia
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There is more by following the link.

In another symbolic way:
This false bell tower also hid an invaluable treasure: three holy relics, including a fragment of the crown of Christ which, for Catholics, spiritually protected the entire cathedral. Source

Obviously, this spiritual protection is gone...

EDIT: I forgot to say that there is nobody for talking about this health issue in the MSM or elsewhere.
 
Of the 10 cathedral bells, the largest 'bourdon' bell is named "Emmanuel": List of bells in Notre-Dame de Paris - Wikipedia
This youtube about the decay of the cathedral from 5 onths ago:
:shock: at 02:12 :
"There is one bell that only rings for the death of the president. Yes, we call it the bourdon and is for the death of the president" [BELLS START RINGING]
..It's the one named Emmanuel.

A person in The Notre Dame while it is burning.
Looks like a firefighter, I saw that them other videos too.
 
Take a notice, it started 6:50 pm RUSSIAN time. Or Israeli. It was 16:50 at the time in France. All RT's fault ;)

Joe is correct - the time and timeline of events was Posted early in the thread.

Question I have - "Why did it take 50 minutes for the fire dept. to arrive AND why a full hour from the time the fire was reported -
for the French president’s office to state - "Macron is rushing to the scene?"

One could get the impression - the fire was "allowed" to intensify - so Macron could make a Grand Entrance, in a pre-mediated script?
The Cathedral fire is now taking center stage (Globally) and the YV protests are being drowned out and taking a back seat? Macron will go down in History books, as the esteemed French President, who was given the task of "rebuilding Notre-Dame" and not the lazy oppressive dictator - he is?

How the fire at Notre-Dame Cathedral unfolded

Notre-Dame Cathedral went up in flames on Monday in a roaring blaze that devastated the Parisian landmark, a searing loss for the city and for France.

Following is a timeline of events:

- Around 6:50pm local time (1650 GMT): Fire starts in roof of Notre-Dame cathedral, according to firefighters.


- Around 7:07 pm: A Reuters journalist sees smoke and flames at Notre-Dame from a distance.

- 7:40 pm: Fire spreads to the giant spire of Notre-Dame cathedral. French President Macron cancels planned TV address to the nation because of the blaze.

- 7:53 pm: Cathedral’s spire collapses.

- 7:59 pm: French president’s office says Macron is rushing to the scene.
 

Are you sure there was only 119 deaths on the Titanic???

Wikipedia says: "more than 1,500 died, making it one of modern history's deadliest commercial marine disasters".
 
They had everything to detect a fire.
They do ???? Well in that case it sure didn't work very well.

I have a 15 euro fire detector in the kitchen. If I light a cigarette or the milk is burning the thing goes off in seconds.

Where should these detectors be ? Well since heat RISES, in high spots. In the spire I would have one at the top and at intervals going down. I'm sure more knowledgeable people would know where to put them. But as Stefan Molyneux (video I linked earlier) stated from his experience with OSHA requirements, there should have been someone who stayed behind for 1 to 2 hours AFTER workers left to make sure nothing was lit and they did not notice. That seems only logical and I am sure such accidents have happened in the past enabling them to create such rules. This is not the first time that a wooden structure went up in smoke due to small fire.

In my corporation, after any accident a full report is written and decisions are made whether or not ,from what has been learned, to add new/modify safety procedures to existing ones. This is how they keep insurance premiums down, maintaining highest safety standards.

Guess at ND safety was lax IF this was not an arson. The ND custodians had a warning with the previous attempt to set on fire the church in Paris and apparently did nothing. Looks like the people managing ND were sleeping at the wheel.
 
You know what? Reading all this horrible stuff, I just keep thinking that this is the French Revolution all over again!

Not sure where these events are leading to but a quick Google search suggests that I am not alone in this thinking...

France’s churches are under attack, but the establishment doesn’t seem to care | Catholic Herald

During the French Revolution’s worst years, some of the most visible expressions of violence involved attacks on the Church, which was perceived as a pillar of the ancien régime. Revolutionaries slaughtered numerous clergy and expelled thousands of others. They expropriated Church-owned property and occasionally ransacked and burnt churches.

It was hard not to recall these past events when reading about the recent spate of vandalism inflicted on Catholic churches throughout France over the past two weeks.


The Observatoire de la Christianophobie reports that between February 3 and 11, nine Catholic churches were subject to severe vandalism, ranging from the smashing of statues and stained-glass windows to the overturning of tabernacles. One church in Yvelines, the church of Saint-Nicolas de Houilles, was vandalised three times in seven days. It follows a series of similar attacks on Catholic churches throughout France in 2018.

Vandalism isn’t a new problem. But why have Catholic churches in France become a target in recent years?

Part of the answer lies in that they are easy targets. Many churches are open to the public on a regular basis. In some cases, they lack internal surveillance cameras. This made it simple for a group of Romanian migrants, for instance, to stroll into Catholic churches throughout 2018 and walk out unimpeded with valuable artifacts to sell.

Beyond professional thieves, the absence of security means that anyone with a grudge or strong resentment about their present circumstances won’t encounter too much difficulty if they choose to wreak havoc on a church’s interior. That could include people ranging from disgruntled teenagers to Islamists looking for easy targets.

To that extent, the outbreak of church vandalism may reflect the social unrest presently permeating France. The country is now into its fourth month of protest by the gilets jaunes (yellow vests). Much of this has been expressed through vandalism of banks, high-end businesses in fashionable parts of Paris and other cities, and the occasional scrawling of graffiti on national monuments. The police’s aggressive response to the gilets jaunes has also helped inure many otherwise peaceful people to everyday violence.

That, however, doesn’t explain the French media’s relative silence on church desecrations or the French government’s indifferent response to the problem. The only major French newspaper to raise major concerns has been the centre-right Le Figaro. On February 13, Prime Minister Edouard Phillipe belatedly tweeted a condemnation of the attacks, promising he would discuss the issue at his next meeting with France’s Catholic bishops.

That’s hardly a robust response. It also suggests that, when it comes to violence against Catholic places of worship, the reaction of much of France’s political and media establishment is a collective shrug.

In some quarters, things have not changed much since 1789.
 
I just keep thinking that this is the French Revolution all over again!
Or maybe the French revolution never ended. Since 1789, years after years, decades after decades, you see the same destructive forces at work, the same nihilist ideologies shaping the minds, the growing domination of materialism, individualism and postmodernism.

Since the Enlightenment, around the middle of the XVIIIth century, the history of France is one of a neverending decline and regression barely hidden under the thin veneer of material progress.

From this perspective, 1789/7/14 or 2019/4/15 are just some of the dramatic tipping points of the ongoing French tragedy.
 
April 15th was a turning point for France.

Macron was supposed to finally announce his new policy following 22 weeks of nation-wide yellow vest demonstrations. But his situation was really tricky, he had basically to choose to strongly displease either the deep state or the French people. So, in the end, it was about choosing who was going to oust him.

The Notre Dame event might be a reminder that adopting policies that meet the yellow vest requests is a bad idea. In France, like in most other countries, the power is in the hand of the deep state, not the people.

On the very same day, Alain Soral, one of the main leaders of the dissidence in France was sentenced to one year in prison (for the parody of a Charlie Hebdo drawing) and an arrest warrant was issued, which is very unusual for such a short prison sentence.
 

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