Fomenko's "New Chronology"

Re: Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko

turing_machine said:
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Wilkens arguments do convince me, they're logical and compelling, but maybe his facts are wrong, or cherry-picked. Or maybe other logical and compelling arguments prove Troy is even more likely in Turkey, but Wilkens did not mention these.

It takes a specialist to sift through those two possibilities.

The scholar experts I contacted refused to counter Wilken's arguments or facts, but invariably insisted he is wrong (just don't ask why, we have no time for that).

Wilkens himself refuses to answer my (well-intended) e-mails since years.

So I thought of this:

Let's do some stats.

I don't have the time for that ;D but maybe you do, please let me know. I have a way to produce an OBJECTIVE assessment of the Troy in UK hypothesis. No need to trust someone's word, no need to even have an opinion beforehand, and -yieeha!- no need to know anything about history or archeology or esoterism ... But you need time, googlemaps and stats.

I first post this to probe if anybody has any interest in this out there (while typing the rest offline)

My next post will explain the method exactly.

bye

I don't have time for it either, but I do think that the weight of evidence falls on Wilkens' side. I think it's an interesting idea and I'm interested in hearing how you propose to do it.
 
Re: Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko

Hi Heimdallr

In response to your question. During the last few days since I fired off that last post, I spent a long time reading through the Forum and soul-searching. I noticed that this is not a new issue. I also realized that I was very upset when I wrote those words, and that now I’m still upset. Here’s why:

This website is a great beacon of light, perhaps THE beacon of light, for a vast number of people, who like me sit huddled by their computers at night searching, reading and trying to learn the Truth about our reality. You moderators, whether you realize it or not, are the guardians of this lighthouse. You represent SOTT, you are the people we look up to and in that sense, you are very powerful. Your words are powerful. Words can uplift and encourage or they can flatten.

Turing_Machine only responded in a huff after he was treated with what appears to me to be a tad bit of rudeness. Most people who are not familiar with this forum would probably respond that way. After all, he wrote a nicely coherent, intelligent post that made it obvious that he had done quite a lot of research on this subject and he was offering something he had discovered.

The C’s have advised us to network. This person was doing just that. I doubt he will show up here again and I fear this is a loss.

My plea to you is to use your power with caution. “With great power comes great responsibility”.

Over the years I have noticed that Laura shows a lot of respect and consideration for everyone she corresponds with, and I only hope we can all try to do the same.

Respectfully,

Tendrini
 
When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

How often we heard the lie, how often generations have to live the lie, believe in lie or how many died for the lie or because of the lie, how often lies were told to us to become the truth? Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers, what with the lie? How big is the impact of the everyday lies on our personal life, social life, historical records, religious beliefs?

FROM WIKI: A lie (also called prevarication, falsehood) is a known untruth expressed as truth.

A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment or repercussion for one's actions. To lie is to state something that one knows to be false or that one does not honestly believe to be true with the intention that a person will take it for the truth. A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly - even when not necessary. End Quote.

This thread is simple reminder of few lies already debunked:

1- "I think the environmental impact of this disaster is likely to be very, very modest. It is impossible to say and we will mount, as part of the aftermath, a very detailed environmental assessment as we go forward. We're going to do that with some of the science institutions in the US."...,..."But everything we can see at the moment suggests that the overall environmental impact of this will be very, very modest." Said by BP boss Tony Hayward on 18.05.2010

2- "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you." Said By President Clinton on January 26, 1998

3- "I am not a crook." said by President Richard Nixon, refusing allegations about his lies and involvement in Watergate scandal.

4- "We found the weapons of mass destruction.", "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." And, "[Saddam Hussein is] a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda." stated by President Bush on March 17, 2003.

5- "The German Government wish to settle all difficult questions with other Governments by peaceful methods . . . Germany will tread no other path than that laid down by the Treaties . . . The German people have no thought of invading any country." said by Adolf Hitler on May 17, 1933

6-"In general we have but one wish-- that in the coming years we may be able to make our contribution to this general pacification of the whole world." stated by Adolf Hitler on Jan 1, 1939

7- Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction, said by Dick Cheney on August 26, 2002

8- I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now. Said by Colin Powell on May 4, 2003

9- Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction by Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff on May 26, 2003

10- But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. Said by: George W. Bush on 5/30/2003

11- USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine, said by President McKinley, American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War.

12- "face the fact that the Communists, by their attack on American vessels in international waters, have themselves escalated the hostilities." said by President Johnson on Aug. 4, 1964, he ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and `certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam' after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin." although In 1965, Lyndon Johnson commented: "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there."

13- Tom Mueller, BP: “We’re not going to take any extra efforts now to calculate flow there at this point. It’s not relevant to the response effort, and it might even detract from the response effort.” [5/14/10]

14- Rear Adm. Mary Landry, U.S. Coast Guard: “If the well let go, the design engineers will tell you that it could be approximately 55,000 barrels per day. We don’t think we have that much, because we’ve got satellite imagery; we know what we’re responding to. We know how much we’re seeing on the surface; we can estimate that. So the upward bound of worst case could be approximately 55,000 barrels.”

15- "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" said by President BUsh on Sept. 1 broadcast of ABC's Good Morning America after Kathrina wiped out New Orleans

16- ""I have never told a lie. No. I don't intend to go telling lies to people. I did not lie over Iraq," said by Tony Blair in 2005 to Sky News

17- We know that he [Saddam Hussein] has stockpiles of major amounts of chemical and biological weapons…– Tony Blair, interview on NBC News, 3 April 2002

18- Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the killing of Kennedy and the wounding of Texas Governor John Connally, stated on 888-page final report, presented to President Johnson on September 24, 1964

19- All debris are from a weather balloon, stated by Major Jesse A. Marcel about Roswell incident on Press conference organized under orders of Brigadier General Roger Ramey, Commander of the 8th Air Force after the Roswell incident.

20- "Atomic bomb saved millions of lives", "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians." stated by President Truman On August 6, 1945

21- "I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..." President George Bush on January 5, 2002 about 911

22- Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack." stated by President Bush on CNN, Aired December 4, 2001

23- "Flight 93 told me a lot about America. . . . It is that spirit that is alive and well in America, and it’s that spirit that makes me so optimistic about the future of this great country." stated by President Bush in Knoxville on April 8, 2002



Please be free to add more,.....,...
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

It's actually worse than that. You ought to read Fomenko!
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

Hi Laura,
Did you ever discuss Fomenko's work with the Cs?

Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

Laura said:
It's actually worse than that. You ought to read Fomenko!

Amazing work of Anatoly T. Fomenko, actually his theory of new chronology is something that would be lovely to discuss with other forum members, for free reading please visit:

for: History: Fiction or Science Chronology 1
http://books.google.hr/books?id=YcjFAV4WZ9MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=fomenko&source=gbs_similarbooks_s&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

for: History: Fiction or Science Chronology 2
http://books.google.hr/books?id=fSvlaZYbcwUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=fomenko&source=gbs_similarbooks_s&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

I concentrated only on recent lies widely recorded in mass media and posted few of them who ring the bells the most. Intending to post more :cool2:.

Since Laura mentioned Fomenko, let's post couple of revised facts concluded by ATF himself, of course you'll find different in history books:

1- Official Russian history is a blatant forgery concocted by a host of German scholars brought to Russia to legitimize the usurping Romanov dynasty.

2- Russia and Turkey were once parts of the same empire. Tamerlane was probably a Russian warlord.

3- The tsar Ivan the Terrible is a collation of no fewer than four rulers, representing two rival dynasties: the legitimate Godunov rulers and the ambitious Romanov upstarts.

4- The Mongol "invasions" were punitive operations against the regions that attempted tax evasion.

5- There was no such thing as the Tartar and Mongol invasion followed by over two centuries of yoke and slavery, because the so-called "Tartars and Mongols" were the actual ancestors of the modern Russians, living in a bilingual state with Turkic spoken as freely as Russian.

6- The Chinese tables of eclipses are useless for dating, as they contain too many eclipses that did not take place astronomically. Chinese tables of comets, even if true, cannot be used for dating.

7- The horoscopes found in Sumerian/Babylonian tablets do not contain sufficient astronomical data; consequently, they have solutions every 30-50 yrs on the time axis and are therefore useless for purposes of dating

8- The Book of Revelation, as we know it, contains a horoscope that is dated to 25 September - 10 October 1486 compiled by cabbalist Johannes Reuchlin.

9- 37 complete Egyptian horoscopes found in Denderah, Esna, and other temples have unique valid astronomical solutions with dates ranging from 1000 AD and up to as late as 1700 AD.

10- The most probable prototype of historical Jesus was a Byzantine emperor, Andronikos I Komnenos (allegedly AD 1152 to 1185), known for his failed reforms, his traits and deeds reflected in 'biographies' of many real and imaginary persons, On Jul.16 1054, Three Roman legates fractured relations between the Western and Eastern Christian churches by placing an invalid Papal Bull of Excommunication on the altar in the Hagia Sophia during Saturday afternoon divine liturgy. This is often dated as the start of the East-West Schism.

11- Histories of Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt were crafted during the Renaissance by humanists and clergy mostly on the basis of documents of their own making.

12- There is not a single document in existence that can be reliably dated earlier than the 11th century. Most 'ancient' artifacts may find other than consensual explanation

13- Archaeological dating, dendrochronological dating, paleographical dating, numismatic dating, carbon dating, and other methods of dating of ancient sources and artifacts known today are erroneous, non-exact or dependent on traditional chronology.

14- The known chronology was largely manufactured by Joseph Justus Scaliger in Opus Novum de emendatione temporum (1583) and Thesaurum temporum (1606), and represents a vast array of dates produced without any justification whatsoever, containing the repeating sequences of dates with shifts equal to multiples of the major cabbalistic numbers 333 and 360.

15- The known chronology was completed by Jesuit Dionysius Petavius in De Doctrina Temporum, 1627-1632

more on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29

or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Fomenko
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

For clarity, the 15 items posted by Ljubica were not the lies, but the actual truths Anatoly Fomenko advanced to debunk lies, as I understand it.

Gonzo
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

Gonzo said:
For clarity, the 15 items posted by Ljubica were not the lies, but the actual truths Anatoly Fomenko advanced to debunk lies, as I understand it.

Gonzo

Correct, although we all learned different stuff in mainstream history.
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

More of lies debunked under the microscope, when the truth finally outgrow the lies:

1- 17 October 2009, Monsanto was found guilty by France's highest court of false advertising, for claims that Roundup, its toxic weed killer, is biodegradable and leaves "the soil clean."

2- 1976: Monsanto produces "Cycle-Safe" noticed word "safe", the world's first plastic soft-drink bottle. The bottle, suspected of posing a cancer risk, is banned the following year by the Food and Drug Administration.

3- Lie: "The emperor Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned." the fact: "Nero was indefatigable in his efforts to quell the fire and provide relief aid to the people afraid of unrests."

4- Lie: "During his midnight ride in 1775, Paul Revere warned the local militia in Massachusetts of the coming of the British." the fact: "Before Revere was able to warn the militia, he was captured by the British."

5- Lie: "Jesse James was an American version of Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor." the fact: "Jesse James was a Confederate vigilante who killed and stole without mercy, giving nothing back to the poor."

6- Gordon Brown going to Iraq and announcing that 1,000 troops would be home by Christmas when, in fact, we had previously been told that 500 of them were being withdrawn, of whom 270 actually have been withdrawn for real, stated on: Mail on line, 10 October 2007

7- “When the President does it, it means that it is not illegal” – Richard Nixon, discussing Watergate in 1978

8- “The story is false. It’s completely untrue, ridiculous…made up” – Former senator and one time presidential candidate John Edwards denying an affair with a campaign assistant. When it became clear that he did have the affair, Edwards gave a contrite interview on ABC, admitting to repeatedly lying about the affair even during his presidential campaign.

9- July 25, 2010, U.S. Senate candidate Mark Kirk has faced scrutiny for overstating his military record and teaching experience. He was quoted as saying "the last time I was in Iraq I was in uniform, flying at 20,000 feet, and the Iraqi Air Defense network was shooting at us," though he later admitted that he had never come under fire while flying in Iraq. He claimed to have learned from his experience "as a former nursery school and middle school teacher," yet his nursery school experience consisted of a part-time job as a student assistant.

10- 09/07/2010, The European Union has asked politicians to stick to issues and stop misleading Kenyans during campaigns on the Proposed Constitution.EU head of delegation Eric van der Linden said some politicians were spreading lies on the proposed laws. "Regrettably, some politicians are giving false information on the constitution, which has no resemblance with what is provided in the proposed laws," he said.

11- May 18, 2010, Richard Blumenthal rebutted charges in a front-page New York Times article that he lied about his war record. "On a few occasions, I have misspoken about my service, and for that I take full responsibility," he said, flanked on both sides by Marines Corps veterans who injected periodic Oorahs and Semper Fi's. "But I will not allow anyone to take a few misplaced words and impugn my record of service to our country."

12- The late televangelist Oral RobertsWhile giving a speech at his Oral Roberts University in front of an audience of 6000, Roberts said, with no explanation, "I've had to stop a sermon, go back and raise a dead person." When questioned about it later, he hedged, saying he had raised a baby years ago who appeared to have died during one of his services.

13- Journalist Janet Cooke, who in 1980 worked for the Washington Post, wrote a story for the newspaper entitled "Jimmy's World." It was the profile of an 8 year-old heroin addict named Jimmy. The story won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing in 1981. However, Jimmy did not exist, and the whole story was fabricated. This immense lie helped Cooke to win an award she did not merit. She returned the prize, and later said on the "Phil Donahue Show" that working in such a high pressure environment had impacted her judgment negatively and caused her to make up such an imaginative story.

14- In 2005, Georgia bride-to-be Jennifer Wilbanks disappeared for three days, while family and the police frantically searched for her, fearing the worst. When she reappeared in New Mexico, she told police she had been kidnapped and sexually assaulted. She even had the detaiils of her captors' appearances down pat: "a Hispanic male with short black hair and rotten teeth and a heavy set white female with blonde, frosted shoulder length hair." Under skeptical police questioning, Wilbanks finally confessed that her story was all a big lie.

15- A 17 year old track and field Zimbabwean athlete with Olympic potential, Samukeliso Sithole had everyone convinced that he was a she. After a female friend undressed in front of him and was subsequently told by the boy's uncle that the friend she thought was a girl was in actuality a boy, she turned him in. A doctor examined Sithole and discovered that he was, indeed, male.

16- Gore declared potential breast cancer victims faced "a long waiting line before they could get a biopsy or, uh, or a uh, another kind of, what am I looking for, a sonogram or...." People in the crowd shouted "mammogram."
(Source: Fox News 09/18/00; MSNBC 09/21/00 - The News with Brian Williams)

17- Criticizing Bush's Social Security privatization plan at a rally in Tennessee, Gore said, "He is proposing to privatize a big part of Social Security and he's proposing to take $1 trillion, a million billion dollars out of the Social Security trust fund and give it as a tax incentive to young workers."

18- Al Gore: "I'm very familiar with the importance of dairy farming in Wisconsin. I've spent the night on a dairy farm here in Wisconsin. If I'm entrusted with the presidency, you'll have someone who is very familiar with what the Wisconsin dairy industry is all about."
(Sources: Sunday, June 18, Atlanta Journal Constitution and The Washington Post, June 14, 2000)

19- Al Gore: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" stated during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.

20- "A zebra does not change its spots." said by Al Gore attacking President George Bush in 1992. Sources: The Toronto Sun, 11/19/95

21- Al Gore: "Any government official who ... lies to the United States Congress will be fired immediately." (Source: Seattle Times, June 29, 1987)

22- Tony Blair: I cannot think of any circumstances in which a government can go to war without the support of parliament.

23- Tony Blair: The threat from Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological, potentially nuclear weapons capability - that threat is real.

24- Barak Obama: America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

25- "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

26- In 1960, when the Russians shot down Gary Powers' U2 spy plane, it was the Secretary of State, not President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who claimed a weather-research plane had gone off course.

27- George Bush Sr.: "Read my lips. No new taxes." stated in 1988 months before busting up taxes.

28- During Yalta conference in meeting with other Allied members, Stalin promised on press conference not to interfere in the affairs of other nations, while plans for Polish occupation were allready done.

29- Jimmy Carter, on a press conference in 1980: would not use military action to free the hostages being held in the US Embassy in Tehran, Iran. The truth was that a military option was being planned at that very time.

30- In 1938, British Prime Chamberlain met with German Chancellor Hitler to find a diplomatic way to avoid war. Adolf Hitler assured Chamberlain that war could be avoided if Czechoslovakia would agree to redraw its border. Chamberlain agreed and announced to the British Parliament that Hitler, "Means what he says." Hitler took the opposite action. It is one of humanity's most shocking lies.

Well, some of lies are not of the planetary importance but as you can see, people use lies no matter where, when or why.
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

Regarding Fomenko, I'm not finished yet - only on volume 1 of 7 - but I DO see a problem. Yes, history is TOTALLY screwed up, but he wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Re: When lies become the truth, Biggest Lies in History

Laura said:
Regarding Fomenko, I'm not finished yet - only on volume 1 of 7 - but I DO see a problem. Yes, history is TOTALLY screwed up, but he wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Ups, I have only Volumes 1-3 (reading volume 1) and Empirico-Satatistical Analysis Vol 1 and pretty interesting book (in order to read it I need to learn more about math & zodiacal calculations): Geometrical and Statistical Methods of analysis of star and Configurations, dating Ptolomy's almagest (right now on comparison of stellar configurations and going pretty slowly, otherwise it's hard for me to understand the readings).

And yes, today it's hard to call history a science, it's like bad PR. History always preoccupied my mind, what really happened, how it was,......,.... when seeing all these lies around us, seems like we'll never find out the real historical facts, or even worst, I personally witnessed some of sad and violent happenings during war in ex-Yugoslavia, 15 years after the end of the same, political statements become historical facts, what a shame....,...
 
Re: Free Will

It seems Fomenko originally published his work in the Russian language entitled: "Antiquity in the Middle Ages: Greek and Bible History". An English edition was subsequently published under the title "History: Fiction or Science?"

Before the book's translation into the English, he published a 29,000-word summary of his findings online. Written with G. V. Nosovskij, it is entitled "New Chronology and New Concept of the English History: British Empire as a Direct Successor of the Byzantine-Roman Empire."

Anyone interested can read the summary here:

_http://lib.ru/FOMENKOAT/engltr.txt
 
Re: Free Will

I think everybody who is interested in history would benefit from reading Fomenko. He doesn't have the whole banana, but he sure produces the incontrovertible evidence of the "creation" of much of history.
 
Re: Free Will


Mr. Fomenko noticed that history is falsified. Beyond this valuable observation, why spend time reading or studying Mr. Fomenko’s mythology?
Why would we accept or even bother with Fomenko’s historical myth making? We already know history is subjective and manipulated for political ends. He applies
selective statistical analysis to subjective fragments of the mythology that comprises most history and from this creates a New Chronology. Well......

It seems the best practive of history is to admit our own subjectivity when we examine the subjective fragments of original sources or the subjective copies of original myth making. Mr. Fomenko joins a long list of myth makers who attempt support their agenda with specious science or statistical analysis of inherently subjective data. Sort of like a mathematician examining frequency and correlations of words in American poetry for the last one hundred years and teaching poetry appreciation classes on this basis.

I experienced a deeper appreciation for history walking the old Roman Road from Bordeaux, France to Astorga, Spain. One can sense, feel, and abstract the passage of millennium as one walks into Cathedrals built on and from the stones of Roman fortresses. This is my knowledge of history, not the computer analysis of edited data.

I read the Wikipedia entry, which is extensive. I copied a few quotes to give the flavor of the material on which I base my query.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29 said:
The New Chronology is a theory that the conventional chronology is fundamentally flawed, that events attributed to antiquity such as the histories of Rome, Greece and Egypt actually occurred during the Middle Ages, more than a thousand years after the time to which they have conventionally been assigned. The central concepts of the New Chronology are derived from the ideas of Nikolai Morozov,[1] although Jean Hardouin can be viewed as an earlier predecessor.[2] The New Chronology is commonly associated with Anatoly Fomenko, although it is a collaboration between Fomenko and several other mathematicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Alexandrovich_Morozov said:
After the October Revolution, Morozov took little interest in politics and continued to run the P. S. Lesgaft Institute of Natural Sciences in Petrograd (Leningrad) until his death at the age of 92. Based on the astronomical records (such as the Almagest) he speculated that much of human history has been falsified. His theories about the chronology of the Middle East and Israel before the first century BC later attracted the attention of Anatoly Fomenko, who based his own New Chronology upon them.
In his declining years, Morozov established a laboratory in his native Borok, north of Uglich, to monitor and study "inland waters". In 1932 he was named an Honorary Member of the Soviet Academy of Sciences.[1] His memorial house in Borok is open to the public. Morozov's grave is close by. The asteroid 1210 Morosovia is named in his honour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29 said:
Fomenko points out that when not fake, presumed 'ancient' coins (Greek, Roman, Persian) are medieval, their abundance due to the widespread rights of feudal local coinage. The numismatic dating is both subjective and circular as one based on the consensual chronology.[citation needed]
He fully agrees with absolute dating methods for clay tablets or coins like thermoluminescence dating, optically stimulated luminescence dating, archaeomagnetic, metallographic dating, but points out that their precision does not allow for comprehensive pinpointing on the time axis either.
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Many of the rulers that Fomenko claim are medieval doppelgangers moved in the imaginary past have left behind vast numbers of coins. Numismatists have made innumerable identifications of coins to rulers known from ancient sources. For instance, several Roman emperors issued coinage featuring at least three of their names, consistent with those found in written sources, and there are frequent examples of joint coinage between known royal family members, as well as overstrikes by kings who were known enemies.
Ancient coins in Greek and Latin are unearthed to this day in vast quantities from Britain to India. For Fomenko's theories to be correct, this could only be explained by counterfeit on a very grand and consistent scale, as well as a complete dismissal of all numismatic analyses of hoard findings, coin styles etc.
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Critics allege that many of the supposed correlations of regnal durations are the product of the selective parsing and blending of the dates, events, and individuals mentioned in the original text.[48] Another point raised by critics is that Fomenko does not explain his altering the data (changing the order of rulers, dropping rulers, combining rulers, treating interregna as rulers, switching between theologians and emperors, etc.) preventing a duplication of the effort and therefore hinting that his results may have a pathological science aspect to them akin to N-rays over a century ago and effectively making this whole theory an Ad hoc hypothesis.[32]
 
Re: Free Will

go2 said:
Mr. Fomenko noticed that history is falsified. Beyond this valuable observation, why spend time reading or studying Mr. Fomenko’s mythology?

With my limited qualifications for assessment, I've found that more weight naturally goes toward his deconstruction of the conventionally accepted views of history. Perhaps he could have left it there and retained more credibility with less scathing attacks from his critics?

But he didn't. Many skeptics have more problems with his 'revision' and understandably so from what I see, but the value here, from where I stand, is the visceral reaction of "wrongness" to the conventional history his work provides to the seeker.

No such thing as "too much information", OSIT. One just sheds the redundancies and keeps the truth. :)
 
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