Frontier Internet Technician Clubs Miniature Schnauzer.

Laura said:
Do you think the family might be willing to try DMSO? There's info on the net about it reversing stroke damage so if a blow to the head is similar to stroke...

Yes, I'm sure they would be. Any idea how much to give a SMALL dog? She's lost a little weight since the accident and now weighs about 13 1/2 lbs.

We've given it to our dog a number of times, even injecting it. It sure makes a difference in a hurry.

I've been putting it on Lilly's tailbone, right where they can't reach to lick, to help her sore hips...and it sure has! I know it helps pain, but I didn't even think of using it for this type of injury.
 
Guardian said:
I've been putting it on Lilly's tailbone, right where they can't reach to lick, to help her sore hips...and it sure has! I know it helps pain, but I didn't even think of using it for this type of injury.

That is good! You can give it also orally. I gave Sebastian 0.9 cc of 99.9% DMSO in 0.1 cc of filtered water. It is basically 1cc of pure DMSO orally. He doesn't like it at all, but later I give him a bit of butter or something yummy and then he is happy.

I wanted to give it to him in more water, but he would not want any of it. So I just put it in his mouth with the aid of a syringe (without the needle) and he ends up swallowing it.

Make sure he has enough water available afterwards.

For the injection, we used 2.5 cc of a pure DMSO solution with 7.5 cc of physiological solution if I remember correctly. We were going for a diluted version just to be in the safe side and it really made a difference.
 
Psyche said:
That is good! You can give it also orally. I gave Sebastian 0.9 cc of 99.9% DMSO in 0.1 cc of filtered water. It is basically 1cc of pure DMSO orally. He doesn't like it at all, but later I give him a bit of butter or something yummy and then he is happy.

I wanted to give it to him in more water, but he would not want any of it. So I just put it in his mouth with the aid of a syringe (without the needle) and he ends up swallowing it.

Make sure he has enough water available afterwards.

For the injection, we used 2.5 cc of a pure DMSO solution with 7.5 cc of physiological solution if I remember correctly. We were going for a diluted version just to be in the safe side and it really made a difference.

If he is very small, I would give him 0.5 cc orally and for the injection, it is best to use a 5 cc syringe. You can use 0.75 cc DMSO and the rest physiological solution in your 5 cc syringe.

:flowers:
 
Psyche said:
If he is very small, I would give him 0.5 cc orally and for the injection, it is best to use a 5 cc syringe. You can use 0.75 cc DMSO and the rest physiological solution in your 5 cc syringe.

:flowers:


THANK YOU!! :hug2:

Unfortunately, we don't have any way to inject it....you can't buy needles here without a prescription because people use them to take illegal drugs. However, I do have a box of syringes I bought when we had to feed the kittens that should be small enough to dose Pepper orally. We're going to start her on it tonight...should it be a daily dose, more often, or less?

I tried getting Lilly to take DMSO in water when it was first suggested, and after one dose, she just wasn't having any of it. Trying to squirt medicine into the mouth of a passive aggressive 1/2 Sheppard, 1/2 Rottweiler didn't work real well either. She sticks her head under the bed and won't come out. She only fits under my bed up to her neck, but that's enough to effectively prevent medicating her without a wrestling match, and she's just too old for that( and so am I) So I started parting her hair and smearing the DMSO jell on her butt since she leaves that sticking out when she thinks it's medicine time.

It seems to have helped a LOT....she can jump up into my truck cab again without help and she hasn't been able to do that for a couple of years. :)
 
The Sylva Herald did a really good article on Pepper :)

http://www.thesylvaherald.com/html/frontier_worker_charged_with_a.html
Frontier worker charged with animal abuse

By Maggie Tobias

Joshua Gray of Sylva, a Frontier Communications employee, has been charged with misdemeanor cruelty to animals after a June 17 incident, according to the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office.

Pepper, an 8-year-old miniature schnauzer owned by Gina and John Rarick of Dillsboro, sustained severe brain injuries after Gray hit her with a large test phone, according to Gina Rarick.

Pepper is currently in the care of Sylva Animal Hospital during the day, but Gina Rarick takes her home at night. Pepper’s condition is unstable, but she can walk, and by early this week, Pepper was doing better, Gina Rarick said.

“She can walk but she walks in circles. That’s the brain damage,” she said. “She’ll probably always walk in circles.”

Frontier technician Gray came to the Rarick’s residence, a Smoky Mountain Hideaway rental cabin, to run a phone line to one of the cabins, according to Nick Dunn, godson of the cabins’ owner Betty Ashby. Gray arrived around noon on June 17, Gina Rarick said.

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Pepper, an 8-year-old miniature schnauzer owned by Gina and John Rarick of Dillsboro, is still recovering from injuries she sustained after being hit by Frontier Communications employee Joshua Gray, according to Gina Rarick, above. Gray has been charged with misdemeanor cruelty to animals, and his court date is July 12. Rarick said earlier this week that Pepper had improved slightly, but the dog can’t hold her head up and is unable to walk straight.

Gina Rarick said her husband told Gray to stand back while he put up their two dogs, Pepper and Spunky, but that Gray continued walking.

“He disregarded what my husband said,” Gina Rarick said.

According to Gina Rarick, Gray walked over to the dogs, raised the phone over his shoulder and hit Pepper in the head “as hard as he could.”

Dunn, 18, gave a similar account of how Gray hit Pepper, saying that Gray “clubbed her in the side of the head just once” and that the dog “crumpled and started going into seizures.”

After the blow, Gina Rarick said Gray had “a scared look on his face” and said “I’m sorry” before he “sauntered off.”

Deputy Dwight McMahan of the Sheriff’s Office responded to the scene after receiving a call about a possible fight, according to a Sheriff’s Office statement.

McMahan interviewed John and Gina Rarick as well as Gray, and then met with the district attorney’s office later that day, according to information from the Sheriff’s Office.

The DA’s office determined there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Gray at the time, but on June 22 asked McMahan to interview two more witnesses, the statement said.

After those interviews the office agreed to prosecute and on June 24, John Rarick swore out a criminal summons for misdemeanor cruelty to animals against Gray, according to information from the Sheriff’s Office.

A deputy served the summons the same day.

Gray’s court date is July 12.

Citing the advice of his attorney, Gray declined comment Tuesday afternoon.

Rarick said other witnesses include her 4-year-old son, who is still disturbed by the incident.

“He’s not sleeping at night, asking these painful questions about the dog,” she said.

Dunn, who lives at the cabins with his mother and godmother, said the attack was completely unprovoked. At 15 pounds, the dogs aren’t dangerous at all, he said.

“Everyone here has dogs, and they all bark, so we’re used to it,” he said.

Pepper was originally taken to the Regional Emergency Animal Care Hospital in Asheville.

Frontier agreed to cover the costs for any medical care Pepper might need, Rarick said.

Frontier’s initial response to the event is that it was in self-defense.

In an e-mail posted on the recently created blog “Please Help Pepper,” Frontier Vice President John Swallow writes to a blog reader:

“I agree that striking a dog is deplorable. Our employee was surprised and nipped by the dog and reacted. No excuse. Frontier immediately agreed to pay the vet bills. Our hearts go out to the family who we have spoken to directly. We are investigating the entire incident and will act appropriately. Our employee is very distraught. I am a fellow dog lover and dog owner and understand your response.”

Another Frontier employee expressed the same sentiments in a comment on the blog’s first post.

John Swallow couldn’t be reached for comment, but Don Page, Frontier communications manager for the Southeast region, spoke on his behalf and said Frontier is still investigating the incident and gathering information from multiple sources to determine what happened.

“I don’t want to pre-judge it,” he said. “We’re taking this matter seriously. We regret what happened.”

Page said that Swallow’s comments on the event are “one perspective,” but the investigation is still going on.

According to Page, Frontier employees, like most utility workers, are given training on how to handle animal situations on work sites, and they are provided with pepper spray.

The methods are based on law enforcement advice, Page said, and one approach is to put a barrier – such as a tool – between oneself and the hostile animal.

“Different situations call for different kinds of responses,” he said. “At some point, protecting yourself from an animal is important.”

Page said company policy precluded him from commenting on whether Gray had been suspended.

Gina Rarick said the Frontier statement about the employee’s surprised reaction was “an absolute lie” and “a coverup on their part.”

“There’s no element of surprise to this. I saw it with my own eyes,” Rarick said. “I’ll fight this as far as I can fight it.”

Dunn agreed that hitting the dog was a clearly calculated act.

“I have no idea why he did it; he walked over there like he knew what he was going to do,” Dunn said. “There was no hesitation in the way he acted.”

They did misspell my name and swipe my photo, but that's just kinda funny :lol: :lol:
 
Guardian said:
Unfortunately, we don't have any way to inject it....you can't buy needles here without a prescription because people use them to take illegal drugs. However, I do have a box of syringes I bought when we had to feed the kittens that should be small enough to dose Pepper orally. We're going to start her on it tonight...should it be a daily dose, more often, or less?

I would start giving it every two days and see how she does. She is going to have the garlic smell from the DMSO. If she is doing better, I'll give it everyday.

I tried getting Lilly to take DMSO in water when it was first suggested, and after one dose, she just wasn't having any of it. Trying to squirt medicine into the mouth of a passive aggressive 1/2 Sheppard, 1/2 Rottweiler didn't work real well either. She sticks her head under the bed and won't come out. She only fits under my bed up to her neck, but that's enough to effectively prevent medicating her without a wrestling match, and she's just too old for that( and so am I) So I started parting her hair and smearing the DMSO jell on her butt since she leaves that sticking out when she thinks it's medicine time.

It seems to have helped a LOT....she can jump up into my truck cab again without help and she hasn't been able to do that for a couple of years. :)

Yeah, Sebastian wouldn't have any of it, that is why with the syringe it was easier for me. I quick push through his mouth and it is all over with before he realized it. Well, sort of. The butter goodie afterwards removed all hard feelings between us ;)

But topically works pretty good as well and it's good if they lick it.
 
It makes a lot of sense to use DMSO in this case. You could also give just one dose of Arnica 30c granule. IMO DMSO should significantly enhance the effect of this remedy and if you notice significant improvement there is no need to repeat the remedy. If not you can repeat another dose next day.

I agree with DMSO dose and protocol Psyche recommends. Injecting her IM with DMSO would probably be most efficient but it is quite painful and this is best left to professional. Oral DMSO will still do the job.

Good luck and keep us informed.
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
Oral DMSO will still do the job.

I wonder if it would work if you put the DMSO into Pepper's chicken broth? It would be worth a try because if it works then you would have a regular and foolproof method of delivery... no wrestling or messing about with behinds :)
 
Giray Khan the Brave said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
Oral DMSO will still do the job.

I wonder if it would work if you put the DMSO into Pepper's chicken broth? It would be worth a try because if it works then you would have a regular and foolproof method of delivery... no wrestling or messing about with behinds :)

Trust me, you do NOT want to do that. You want to get it down in the smallest and quickest dose possible. The dog will not willingly consume it.
 
Laura said:
Trust me, you do NOT want to do that. You want to get it down in the smallest and quickest dose possible. The dog will not willingly consume it.

Fair enough... I bow to the voice of experience :) From your post I'm guessing that DMSO must taste pretty darn awful!

One thing I have to say though: ever since this 'event' happened my mind has been unable to let go of the question: "WHY?"... I've been lying awake at night, running different scenarios and possibilities through my head and now Guardian's post of The Sylva Herald article makes the whole thing even odder:

According to Gina Rarick, Gray walked over to the dogs, raised the phone over his shoulder and hit Pepper in the head “as hard as he could.”

Dunn, 18, gave a similar account of how Gray hit Pepper, saying that Gray “clubbed her in the side of the head just once” and that the dog “crumpled and started going into seizures.”

After the blow, Gina Rarick said Gray had “a scared look on his face” and said “I’m sorry” before he “sauntered off.”

This bothers me because it almost sounds like the guy was possessed and whatever possessed him had a definite plan which it followed through with no hesitation at all. It's almost like the guy 'woke up' right after clubbing poor Pepper and only then realised what he'd done.

Gina Rarick said her husband told Gray to stand back while he put up their two dogs, Pepper and Spunky, but that Gray continued walking.

“He disregarded what my husband said,” Gina Rarick said.

Maybe he never even heard him because he wasn't 'present' in himself at that time? Normally I'd say that a person who goes into someone's property, walks straight at the dog tied up there, clubs it on the head then 'looks scared' at what he's done would be so mentally sick that they would never be given the job of Internet technician in the first place due to past history of pathological fugue states. But if there is no past history and this guy was ostensibly 'normal' until the event, then what happened? I would almost understand it if the guy had a severe phobia to dogs and the dog suddenly attacked from hiding and he lashed out in sheer panic with the test phone that he'd been holding but walking deliberately up to a barking, leashed dog, deliberately clubbing it then 'looking scared' and then apologising(!)... I can't model it in my head. All I can postulate, based on descriptions of the event, that the guy went into a fugue state, clubbed poor Pepper then suddenly snapped out of it and was scared by what he found he'd done.

Guardian, how accurate is the The Sylva Herald in the description of the events? I understand you saw the beginning and the end of what happened. Did you see the guy with a scared look on his face? Did it look like real fear or was it an act? Was it like "Oh my god, what have I done?" or more like a boy who's mom has caught him in the act of doing something very naughty?

Edit: odder
 
Giray Khan the Brave said:
All I can postulate, based on descriptions of the event, that the guy went into a fugue state, clubbed poor Pepper then suddenly snapped out of it and was scared by what he found he'd done.

Well, another possibility is, that he hit the dog for the heck of it, just because he could and wanted to. But maybe he underestimated the strength of the blow on the poor dog body, and when he saw the dog collapsing instead of just making noises of being in pain, he got scared that there will be consequences for his actions.
 
Guardian said:
Bluestar said:
Just now checking in on this thread. Truly unbelievable story this guy is giving and the fact that others saw the incident, he still said he fell backwards and accidental hit the dog

The statement from Frontier that I saw said he was "surprised" by the dog and reacted "instinctively" ...which is a joke to anyone who's ever known a miniature schnauzer. Did you see somewhere he said he "fell" and it was an "accident?" If so, he's changed his story?

I misread the explanation here. I read it as he slipped backwards. Sorry for the misinformation.

By: StephSchifano
Hello - I work for Frontier Communications. We learned of a situation that involved a Frontier employee and resulted in severe injuries to Pepper. The employee reacted instinctively when surprised and nipped by the dog and swung backwards by reflex, hitting the dog. We are pleased that the injuries to Pepper are being treated and the prognosis has improved. Our hearts go out to the family and we have spoken to them directly. The situation is under investigation and the employee involved is completely distraught. Frontier has also committed to payy all veterinary bills associated with Pepper’s injury
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Frontier is committed to doing all we can regarding this situation. We know the pain the family is enduring and our hearts ache for them.

Thank you!
Stephanie"

I can't sleep without waking up at the slightest noise. Someone's dog barks at a groundhog and I'm out on the porch. On their cabin rental website, they talk about their "little piece of Heaven" ...well Joshua Gray destroyed ours.

This is so awful that you are forced to be on guard due to this. Hoping by now the four year old is doing a bit better.

Pepper looks SOOOOOO pitiful....she can stand on her own now, but she just walks in a little circle with her head tilted to one side. She can't eat yet either, but she did lap a little chicken broth :cry:

Having had to be off line for two days due some health issues with my mom, I did not get a chance to reply before now. This report on Pepper is just so sad. I hope the DMSO will be a big help for her recovery.

My heart is with you all. :hug2:
 
Psyche said:
Yeah, Sebastian wouldn't have any of it, that is why with the syringe it was easier for me. I quick push through his mouth and it is all over with before he realized it. Well, sort of. The butter goodie afterwards removed all hard feelings between us ;)

I tried sneaking up on her and squirting it in the side of her mouth, and it worked once or twice before she wised up to what was going on. Now I can't open a bottle of ANYTHING without her heading for my bedroom. She hides from lighting the same way, by sticking her head under my bed...so it's a serious fear response, and I don't want to stress her out.

But topically works pretty good as well and it's good if they lick it.

Yeah, I got to thinking about that, I've been putting it on her butt where she can't reach...but if she licks it off, it's still getting inside her ...DUH :rolleyes:
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
It makes a lot of sense to use DMSO in this case. You could also give just one dose of Arnica 30c granule.

Is this what you mean?
http://www.amazon.com/Boiron-Arnica-Montana-30c-pellets/dp/B00013Z1LO

Boiron - Arnica Montana pellets are convenient to carry, easy to use (taken orally) and provide systematic action to the whole body to bring relief to everywhere you hurt. For adults and children 2 years of age and older: Dissolve 5 pellets in the mouth 3 times a day until relieved or as directed by a doctor.
 
Laura said:
Giray Khan the Brave said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
Oral DMSO will still do the job.

I wonder if it would work if you put the DMSO into Pepper's chicken broth? It would be worth a try because if it works then you would have a regular and foolproof method of delivery... no wrestling or messing about with behinds :)

Trust me, you do NOT want to do that. You want to get it down in the smallest and quickest dose possible. The dog will not willingly consume it.

Exactly...and the last thing we want to do is make her refuse her food, she's not eating much as it is.
I had no problem getting a squirt down her throat, and then I gave her a finger full of bacon grease (we're almost out of butter) which she licked VERY willingly.

The poor little girl can't even hold her head up well, so there's no way she can resist. When I had her in my hands I realized she's actually smaller than my dog's head. :cry:
 

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