Gaddafi

[Adaryn]

I've a lot of difficulty to see the true. We know that Libya people level of life is better than what our media want us to believe but my question is what level of psychopatie was associated with Gaddafi? Did he eliminated opponents by dead? Did he raped girls? Did he practise torture or is it lies?

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Check this out: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4237-Les-recentes-guerres-majeures-des-Etats-Unis-ont-toutes-ete-accompagnees-par-des-mensonges-memorables

http://www.voltairenet.org/America-s-recent-major-wars-have

Thanks for the links but this is about rapes during this war. I don't care much because it's propaganda techniques. What I ask myself is what was the behaviour of Gaddafi during is long reign? How did he managed to stay in place? Blood and terror or not?

Hmm, have you read the articles published on fr.sott on this subject? ;) Personally, I'm more concerned about the current murder, torture and rape of the Libyan people by the NATO psychopaths than by the past behaviour of Kadhafi.
The evidence tells us that he was loved and supported by the vast majority of the Libyan people, that mass demonstrations took place in his support, that he had a project to unify the African countries with the gold dinar, that the standard of living in Libya was decent, that woman reportedly enjoyed rights and freedom. See this video: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5711-Libye-temoignage-de-Lizzy-Phelan-journaliste-britannique-independante , and this article: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5072-Pourquoi-les-Libyens-aiment-le-colonel-Kadhafi
It doesn't make him a saint - nobody in that position of power is. Let's just remember that Kadhafi was playing the game too, like any world leader.
But the above reasons are sufficient for the PTB to want to take him out of the game - they have plans on Africa: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5724-Le-grand-jeu-africain

 

[Cosmos]

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[dant]

Adaryn:
The cited links are in French.
Are there English translations/links, in case I might have missed it?

Thanks!

 

[Adaryn]

Adaryn:
The cited links are in French.
Are there English translations/links, in case I might have missed it?

Thanks!

I can't seem to find translations for these articles, but the video of Lizzy Phelan is in English.
Here's another article, in Eng: http://www.voltairenet.org/The-lynching-of-Muammar-Gaddafi

 

[MK Scarlett]

How Ironic that Barack Obama, the so-called son of africa is the one to instigate open warfare against his own continent and retake it back to a new 2.0 colonial age...

How this is relevant!

 

[dant]

Thanks Adaryn! I have reviewed the link.

 

[luke wilson]

How Ironic that Barack Obama, the so-called son of africa is the one to instigate open warfare against his own continent and retake it back to a new 2.0 colonial age...

How this is relevant!

Libya is part of Africa. Obama has black roots from Africa. Doesn't get any more relevant than that. On separate news, he has special forces operating in various dictatorships throughout the continent. Missile death dealing Drones flying in countries like somalia... Relevant? Very much so... Not to mention the resources available in the continent - Libya/oil, other countries with vast resources all under the watchful scope of the death dealers... Not only are most of these countries locked in financial indebtedness, now they have to deal with all this other stuff... COLONIAL 2.0!

 

[MK Scarlett]

How Ironic that Barack Obama, the so-called son of africa is the one to instigate open warfare against his own continent and retake it back to a new 2.0 colonial age...

How this is relevant!

Libya is part of Africa. Obama has black roots from Africa. Doesn't get any more relevant than that. On separate news, he has special forces operating in various dictatorships throughout the continent. Missile death dealing Drones flying in countries like somalia... Relevant? Very much so... Not to mention the resources available in the continent - Libya/oil, other countries with vast resources all under the watchful scope of the death dealers... Not only are most of these countries locked in financial indebtedness, now they have to deal with all this other stuff... COLONIAL 2.0!

Writing "this is relevant"" my meaning was your point of view is relevant and not the fact of. It is just because I had not seen this from this point of view, it exempts not at all the Obama's actions (coming in right line of its choices or not) I hope I'm clear here, sorry if I am not...

 

[Joe]

I've a lot of difficulty to see the true. We know that Libya people level of life is better than what our media want us to believe but my question is what level of psychopatie was associated with Gaddafi? Did he eliminated opponents by dead? Did he raped girls? Did he practise torture or is it lies?

`

Check this out: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4237-Les-recentes-guerres-majeures-des-Etats-Unis-ont-toutes-ete-accompagnees-par-des-mensonges-memorables

http://www.voltairenet.org/America-s-recent-major-wars-have

Thanks for the links but this is about rapes during this war. I don't care much because it's propaganda techniques. What I ask myself is what was the behaviour of Gaddafi during is long reign? How did he managed to stay in place? Blood and terror or not?

Well, that's hard to answer since we don't have the necessary data, but we can be pretty sure that we can't believe the source of such claims - the Western media - because they are clearly biased. On the point you seem to be making - if he was a psychopath, then he deserves it - well, sure, but that's not really the point, the point is that it is highly hypocritical for other psychopaths who are as guilty as him, and indeed moreso, to call him an 'evil man' and organise his public execution, especially in the case where this public execution is being organised to justify the murder of thousands of innocent Libyans in an campaign designed to take control of Libyan resources and impoverish and oppress Libyan people.

The bottom line is that this idea of "well he was a bad man so he deserved it" is pathological thinking and propaganda programmed into you by the media. I might have expected a little more of you Ellipse.

 

[luke wilson]

Sorry Scarlett! Language barrier... The mistake is on my part for thinking you were asking, how is this relevant?...

 

[MK Scarlett]

Sorry Scarlett! Language barrier... The mistake is on my part for thinking you were asking, how is this relevant?...

That's fine luke wilson, no matters, I also make this mistake for sure... ;)

 

[Nević Nenad]

I wrote about Libya and Gadafi when all of that started, here:


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22048.15.html


and since then trying not to look for it on the news, also trying not to watch any news and TV at all. Which I succeed :) (only news I read are on the SOTT)


But there again, I saw it on the internet, because its everywhere It was obvious from the beginning that it will end this way.

I was very nicely surprised when I saw some comments on Gadafi's death from my american friends on the facebook. Almost everyone is disgusted, it goes all the way to the comments such as "so, we can kill presidents now if we want?" and similar. Seems that psychopaths actually are speeding their way down with this :)

Of course that he was bad, but when one bad man kills another, that doesn't make him nice, just twice bad.

 

[Denis]

This is really sad, but not surprising to me at all. To me, what is truly disgusting and repulsive in all of this, is laughing at the death of another human being (ANY being for that matter) in front of all public and not feeling the guilt and shame at all! Yep, this world is going to hell in a hand basket...

http://www.voltairenet.org/Clinton-We-came-we-saw-he-died

 

[luke wilson]

This is really sad, but not surprising to me at all. To me, what is truly disgusting and repulsive in all of this, is laughing at the death of another human being (ANY being for that matter) in front of all public and not feeling the guilt and shame at all! Yep, this world is going to hell in a hand basket...

http://www.voltairenet.org/Clinton-We-came-we-saw-he-died

WOW did you see that? NO REMORSE WHATSOEVER!! PSYCHOPATH ALERT!!

This video should be posted EVERYWHERE!

 

[Ellipse]

Perceval, Adaryn, when you read my post, as often with me, think I put myself in the shoes of devil's advocate. I try to go to the bottom of things by asking questions for which I know the answer but for which I need to hear the explanation because some steps are missing in the logic of the whole or some areas are vague.

Hmm, have you read the articles published on fr.sott on this subject? ;) Personally, I'm more concerned about the current murder, torture and rape of the Libyan people by the NATO psychopaths than by the past behaviour of Kadhafi.

Well, I disagree on this one, I'm concerned by both. But with the west propaganda it's hard to see if Gadaffi's past terrors acts are true or not. At this point I think it is because this is the only data I have.

The evidence tells us that he was loved and supported by the vast majority of the Libyan people, that mass demonstrations took place in his support, that he had a project to unify the African countries with the gold dinar, that the standard of living in Libya was decent, that woman reportedly enjoyed rights and freedom. See this video: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5711-Libye-temoignage-de-Lizzy-Phelan-journaliste-britannique-independante , and this article: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5072-Pourquoi-les-Libyens-aiment-le-colonel-Kadhafi

Yes I tend to think it's true, especially because the west propaganda haven't even report demonstration of joy but I'm suspicious (fr:méfiant) because I have some friends in Tunisia and even now they don't want to talk about Ben Ali by phone. They're always afraid about him. This is why I asked myself if those people haven't say what Gaddafi want them to say. This is why I try to know if it was a terror state or not.

It doesn't make him a saint - nobody in that position of power is. Let's just remember that Kadhafi was playing the game too, like any world leader.
But the above reasons are sufficient for the PTB to want to take him out of the game - they have plans on Africa: http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5724-Le-grand-jeu-africain

Perfectly agree but at which degree he was not a saint.

Well, that's hard to answer since we don't have the necessary data, but we can be pretty sure that we can't believe the source of such claims - the Western media - because they are clearly biased. On the point you seem to be making - if he was a psychopath, then he deserves it - well, sure, but that's not really the point, the point is that it is highly hypocritical for other psychopaths who are as guilty as him, and indeed moreso, to call him an 'evil man' and organise his public execution, especially in the case where this public execution is being organised to justify the murder of thousands of innocent Libyans in an campaign designed to take control of Libyan resources and impoverish and oppress Libyan people.

The bottom line is that this idea of "well he was a bad man so he deserved it" is pathological thinking and propaganda programmed into you by the media. I might have expected a little more of you Ellipse.

I don't think he deserve it, it's not my point. I should have make clear. My point, when I ask if it was a terror regime, is to try to evaluate the degree of true in what we know as OK with his regime. When you read the French SOTT news, you can think Gaddafi was a very good guy and Libya a paradise. So I try to know where to put the cursor.