Has anyone had an experience like this?

Hi anart,

Thanks for your comments. I guess what I was trying to say was not clear, let me explain.

And if the Reiki symbols one is using are reversed due to a corrupted lineage (which is VERY common)? Your statement above falls into the newage wishful thinking category.
Corruption is very much a possibility, I remember a reference to this effect in the transcripts somewhere. The statement that 'it cannot be used for harm' may indeed be useful thinking, I was saying this was the opinion of my teacher. I wonder though, if the same energy is used in reiki and its hypothesized negative counterpart, with the effects different only by the corruption of the symbol, does intent having nothing to do with it? My understanding with reiki was that intent was very important, second to the power of the symbols ofcourse. Perhaps reiki masters in this forum can comment?

Have you had a chance to read the Wave Series yet?

Yes, I have. I was speculating with this statement ("...reiki related incident such as yours should have a positive effect") as a logical conclusion - that's why I started with 'If that is true.." If the original premise is false, then all its conclusions are suspect naturally.

Those of a newage mindset have something positive to say about most things! This tends to bear little relation to the reality of the situation.
I totally agree. In fact one of the main issue I had with the person who taught me reiki is that she is very subjective, and her wishful thinking colored her interpretations quite plainly. I'm thinking if we should have a discussion on the 'proper' symbols of reiki within the forum just to make sure we aren't using the corrupted variety!

This contradicts your previous statement about 'Reiki energy only being used for good'.
No it doesn't - that was not my own view, as explained above.

Perhaps your identification with Reiki might have made you read it that way?
I've just started learning it and experimenting as I go along with eiuru eolas, I don't think I have had the time to form such a strong 'bond' with it yet :) Perhaps what I did identify with was with Fastwalker's urge to experiment with the symbols under his pillow.
 
Here's one of the relevant sections from the Wave:

But then I reached the back of the book where there was a page
headed “Alternate Reiki Symbols (Usui Traditional Method.)” I had a
look at them and then I went back to the symbols that the “Reiki
Alliance” was teaching and compared them. Not only were they very
different, one of them, the “Power symbol”, was completely reversed.
Now that disturbed me in a big way! I had a sort of visceral
understanding of these symbols as being a Cosmic or interdimensional
language, or electromagnetic circuit diagram, and here I was seeing that
somebody had not only altered them, but also had even reversed one of
them.

If these symbols are, as I was understanding it, a sort of cosmic
microchip that can be installed in the body to enable a flow of energy
from other dimensions; if they are a “language” that “tells” the body
something in a deep, objective way, and then somebody changes them,
what are they now “programming”? What is being “said” to the body?
What are the circuits being routed to do?

I called Louise immediately and pointed out to her that she had
apparently “gone over” to the group that our Reiki Master had been
talking about, though none of them had ever been named by her. Louise
was not only dismissive of my concerns; she was actually
contemptuous of my idea that there could be a real problem here. As I
remember her saying: “If you believe they will work, they will! It’s all
a matter of what you believe. If you don’t believe they will work, they
won’t. If your spiritual development is weak or backward, of course,
nothing will work for you.”

MIAOU!

Wow! What a cut! Now I was spiritually retarded because I had a
problem with people altering symbols and maybe corrupting
information. Hmmm… how often has this manipulation been used to
jerk questioners back in line?

I didn’t buy it. My experience with Reiki had been that it was
something that was truly objective – it did not require “faith” or
“belief”. That was the truly unique and amazing thing about it. At that
moment, I decided that Louise simply wasn’t “getting it”. But I figured
that my initiation from her was still “good” even if she didn’t know
what she was dealing with. Surely the method of transmission was still
the same and worked? I decided that I would just use the Usui
Traditional Symbols and maybe experiment with the others to see what
they were really doing.

There was already a problem though, even if it took awhile for it to
repeat often enough for me to take notice: the heat that generally would
manifest so powerfully when I touched people seemed to have
dissipated and now, instead, I was actually feeling an “iciness” that was
of the kind that can be felt as heat unless you have been used to real
heat. I commented on this to Candy and she said that this was
“normal”. She said that our Reiki Master had told her that the body
“knows” what kind of energy it needs and when you have the Reiki
attunements the body will naturally send the “right” energy to whatever
person you are channeling it to. That seemed like a reasonable
explanation.

[...]

Q: (L) I have here two sets of Reiki symbols; which set is the correct or
most powerful set: the first set or the second? [Holds up two sets of
symbols]
A: The second set.
Q: (L) It says here that the ones you have identified are the Usui
Traditional symbols. Are these the original Reiki symbols as given to
Dr. Usui?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are the Reiki symbols in the possession of [the Reiki Master in
Tampa] the correct symbols?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are the symbols that Louise is using correct?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is Louise able to transmit the initiation in a full and powerful
way as she claims?
A: No. V__ has strongest ability.
[This was an of off-the-wall comment about one of the other Reiki
students of Louise. It sort of surprised me.]
Q: (L) Does this mean that V___ has the strongest Reiki ability of us
all?
A: Yes. Candy has no ability. Crosses yours out.
Q: (L) Are you saying that Candy has been giving me Reiki that has
canceled my own Reiki out?
A: Precisely.
Q: (L) Is there someone I could go to for the correct initiation?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do I know that person?
A: No.
Q: (L) Whom do I know that may know that person?
A: H___ D___.

That was pretty upsetting, to say the least! Not only to know that I
had taken my Second Level attunements from a Reiki Master who had
no ability to transmit them, but also that there was the possibility that
the corrupted form of Reiki could cancel out the beneficial Reiki!
What’s more, the person named as knowing someone who did have the
proper Reiki lineage was so unlikely that I was completely incredulous!
HD was an elderly psychic reader down in St. Petersburg who was a
friend of a friend of mine and I had only been to see her once out of
curiosity. She had made something of an impression on me because of
her ranting against Reiki as being a completely useless “New Age
Scam” because she believed that anybody who had “the gift” could heal
without paying big bucks to somebody to do “hocus pocus” on them.
So having the Cassiopaeans specify her in particular as a path to the
“right” Reiki initiation was bizarre in the extreme!

But, the whole point of all this “testing” was to see if the
Cassiopaeans really “had a clue” about anything, so I called HD the
next day, feeling completely stupid, to inquire if she, by some miracle,
knew a Reiki Master.

Her reply was funny. She said, “Well, you know I don’t put any stock
in all that nonsense – waste of money if you ask me! – But, yes, I do
know a couple of gals who swear by it. They are both Reiki Masters, so
let me look up their numbers and call you back.”

A little bit later she called me back with one name, SB. The second
Reiki Master had moved away, so it ended up that she only had a
connection to one. I took down the name and number and called to see
what I could find out.

As it turned out, the Cassiopaeans were right! This lady had the same
lineage as the Reiki Master who had given me my First Level initiation,
with only one added “descendant” between her and Takata. And, she
also had the same material passed to this line from Takata and knew my
original Reiki Master. She knew the same “stories” and “inside
information” that is held by this lineage, and so on. So, the
Cassiopaeans had a “hit”. I made arrangements with her to retake the
Second Level attunements to correct the “damage” done by Louise, in
her ignorance, and a year later I took the Master Level attunements
from SB. I can guarantee that when she did the job, the sweat broke out
again, and my “Reiki heater” was turned back on! What’s more, we had
still another set of Reiki symbols, different from the previous three I
had seen. I presented them to the Cassiopaeans:

11-19-94
Q: (L) Now, we went to the recommended person to take the Reiki
initiation, do we now, at this point in time, have the true Reiki
initiation?
A: Getting there. Must allow energy to solidify. Do you understand the
concept of imprinting?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then you know.
Q: (L) Practicing Reiki is the thing that will solidify the force?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) Are there symbols for Reiki that are even older and stronger
than the ones we have been given?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the original symbols in Sanskrit?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where are we going to find them?
A: You are not.
Q: (L) And the Reiki Symbols we learned from SB are the closest we
can get?
A: Yes. Good enough.

Conclusion? The symbols are important, as is the teacher. Bad symbols + bad teacher = bad reiki! ;)
 
Thanks Approaching Infinity, next time will check the transcripts before posting :-[

Here's another thread that is useful to answer some of the questions:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.0
 
One other note on 'Reiki can only ever have positive results' is that Laura has also mentioned that there are certain detrimental physical states that are actually 'fed' by reiki. Certain viruses and other pathological organisms can be strengthened by Reiki, and I think that even certain pathological cell growth (cancer cells) might be strengthened with the energy of Reiki ( I need to confirm that, though) , so the idea that Reiki can do no harm is, to my understanding, a fallacy.
 
anart said:
Certain viruses and other pathological organisms can be strengthened by Reiki

I can certainly confirm this. The first reiki I received led me to have the worst bladder inflammation I have ever known.
It also gave me something looking like a 'sunburn' around my eyes (I have since learned reading this forum that it is apparently a sign of candida gaining ground).
 
This might be a bit basic, but:

Can someone post a picture of (or a link to) the correct (orientation of) the Reiki Power Symbol(s)?

I have a book (and access to a Reiki teacher) that uses the "Reiki Plus Natural Healing" -
The book and system are presented by Reiki master David G. Jarrell, whom is supposed to be using the system presented by Dr. Mikao Usui.

After reading the Wave series (appropriate reference posted above, by Approaching Infinity) I have wondered, and tried to find out if the David G. Harold "Reiki Plus" way is right; or is it wrong?

thanks -
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
anart said:
Certain viruses and other pathological organisms can be strengthened by Reiki

I can certainly confirm this. The first reiki I received led me to have the worst bladder inflammation I have ever known.
It also gave me something looking like a 'sunburn' around my eyes (I have since learned reading this forum that it is apparently a sign of candida gaining ground).

I think the current understanding is that the 'proper' reiki can cause this due to its energizing effects on not only the body but all organisms in it. I wonder what would be the effect of the corrupted reiki on pathological organisms in the body? Would they die? :cool: Or most likely product no effect!
 
Vectis said:
This might be a bit basic, but:

Can someone post a picture of (or a link to) the correct (orientation of) the Reiki Power Symbol(s)?

I have a book (and access to a Reiki teacher) that uses the "Reiki Plus Natural Healing" -
The book and system are presented by Reiki master David G. Jarrell, whom is supposed to be using the system presented by Dr. Mikao Usui.

After reading the Wave series (appropriate reference posted above, by Approaching Infinity) I have wondered, and tried to find out if the David G. Harold "Reiki Plus" way is right; or is it wrong?

thanks -

Hi Vectis,
Use this link -
http://aetw.org/reiki_symbols.html
http://www.aetw.org/pdf/Reiki_Symbol_Research.zip [PDF]

Laura says (in the thread i linked in Post#17) that the symbols in James Deacon's web site are very close to the original symbols according to the Cs.
 
Any idea about the effect of reiki on attached entities (not the biological ones) ?
 
Regarding Fastwalkers experience,
One piece of objective information that was given was that there was an attempt to break off contact of the stream of symbols. This was not honored by whatever was doing the downloading. Would this not constitute a violation of Free Will, and therefore be the starting place for dissecting the possible benevolence of the source? A violation of Free Will is not benevolent. Am I correct in my understanding of the Law of Free Will abridgement?
Thank You
 
I did forget about the symbol placed under my pillow at the time, but I will say that I always strive for higher awareness and a connection to my higher self. It did catch me by surprise I will admit and I did move my head because of the intensity of the download and of the experience. I will stand by my original thought that it was not malevolent in it's feeling.
I too have tried to break into this forum but have had a less then positive experience by some of the members of the forum from this and other exchanges. I had asked a simple question and I get psycho analyzed by some of the members. I really did not expect this from people who I thought were open to esoteric concepts and of what I foolishly thought were others of like mind. The feeling I got from some of the forum members was more malevolent then this particular experience. I saw that the conversation was going into a negative spiral and decided to disengage. I feel that we all need to be a little kinder to ourselves and others at this time. There is enough chaos in the world without bring it here to the Forum. Are we not suppose to be networking?

I would like to remind some of the members of the Values of the Forum:
* Objectivity
* Respect
* Sharing
* Relevance
* Empathy
* Constructiveness
* Temperance

I do appreciate the members who offered their positive and helpful comments along with Vulcan59 for the edit job on my poor attempt at posting quotes. I was not trying to steal anyones thunder or sound egotistical. Things were taken totally out of context and the intent of the question totally skewed.


I would like to leave some dialogue from the article Reality Split by LKJ.
03-30-02
Q: (V) I'll start with the Reiki symbol that we received. (shows symbol drawn on a piece of paper) This was the way it was drawn out and at the time it was drawn out we were told that it was close enough as though maybe it wasn't as it was supposed to be. I am wondering if this is closer than this? (comparing proposed alternatives) In other words if the spiraling inside of the...
A: Match corners to outside spiral, neither inside nor outside.
Q: (V) The other question I have about this symbol that I thought was very curious is in this center part there is an L, is there any significance to that?...well, I'm sure there is significance...
A: Crook shape signifies movement into higher dimension.
Q: (V) Is repetitive saying, which I guess is like a mantra which is a no-no here, of the Sanskrit word as effective as repetitive use of the symbol, does it go either way?
A: No. Important part is the geometry.
Q: (V) So the use of the symbol is putting a geometric equation into the person's body...
A: Think of it as soldering in a new circuit.
Q: (V) New circuit as in DNA?
A: More like transducer of higher consciousness. If DNA changes result it depends on the application. [A: Suffering activates neuro-chemicals which turn on DNA receptors.]
Q: (V) The next question: Is it possible in a meaningful way to send healing energy, Reiki, directly to the subconscious through the ether tube connector symbol?
A: Yes. This has also been discussed. Application increases circuit imprint.
Q: (V) Are there symbols that can be used to dispel or expel negative energy?
A: Do you think that a symbol can control your consciousness, or the consciousness of another? Q: (V) I guess I've been thinking it's a tool just as this is a tool (holds up symbol displayed earlier). I gather this is my thinking...No I don't think a symbol can control consciousness...when it's put that way. But I want to say that I think they can be used as tools also. Not to be right or anything but this my thinking at this time.
A: What quality of an individual would have to be present to set the effect of a symbol against consciousness?
Q: (V) A lack of negativity? (L) I don't think that's the point. You already have negativity right? So you're going to use a symbol to make it go away - assuming it was sent to you. So what do you have to have to make the symbol work? (V) A conscious effort? (L) Faith. You have to believe in the symbol. And if you believe in the symbol then you are putting the power in something outside of you, you don't believe that you have the ability to stand against the negative consciousness. On the other hand, if the consciousness of negativity is your own and you believe a symbol can stand against your own negativity you haven't inquired into where the negative comes from. (A) You see a tool is something which you must know exactly how it operates because otherwise it's not a tool, otherwise you are the tool. So you must exactly know and have precise knowledge of the tool if it is to be a tool. So a tool is a projection - an extension - of what is in you.
A: Otherwise you are the tool of the tool.

Thank you,
Fastwalker
 
Fastwalker said:
I too have tried to break into this forum but have had a less then positive experience by some of the members of the forum from this and other exchanges. I had asked a simple question and I get psycho analyzed by some of the members. I really did not expect this from people who I thought were open to esoteric concepts and of what I foolishly thought were others of like mind. The feeling I got from some of the forum members was more malevolent then this particular experience. I saw that the conversation was going into a negative spiral and decided to disengage. I feel that we all need to be a little kinder to ourselves and others at this time. There is enough chaos in the world without bring it here to the Forum. Are we not suppose to be networking?

I would like to remind some of the members of the Values of the Forum:
* Objectivity
* Respect
* Sharing
* Relevance
* Empathy
* Constructiveness
* Temperance

I do appreciate the members who offered their positive and helpful comments along with Vulcan59 for the edit job on my poor attempt at posting quotes. I was not trying to steal anyones thunder or sound egotistical. Things were taken totally out of context and the intent of the question totally skewed.

Hi Fastwalker,
I have not had an experience like you described and cannot comment directly on it. When I initially read your first post, I assumed that this event happened relatively recently. You stated in one of your subsequent posts that this was a one-time event that happened 3 years ago and you have not attempted to try to repeat this experience since. Since these 2 facts came to light later in the thread, it may have had some impact on the initial feedback that you received - osit. I felt the overall impression conveyed was one of concern for you regarding an out of the box event whose nature is difficult to determine.
One of the functions of the network is to show us sides of ourselves that may have escaped our conscious attention. In my experience, learning about our own selves happens predominantly through experiences which appear negative to the ego/personality. I write this in reference to your comment about your experiences with the forum being less than positive. You are the best judge to determine if there was a learning value for you in those less than positive experiences that you have had.
 
Fastwalker said:
I did forget about the symbol placed under my pillow at the time, but I will say that I always strive for higher awareness and a connection to my higher self.

No one doubts that for a moment Fastwalker. But the way you are going about this may be getting you nowhere fast.

It did catch me by surprise I will admit and I did move my head because of the intensity of the download and of the experience. I will stand by my original thought that it was not malevolent in it's feeling.

No doubt it felt wonderful!

I too have tried to break into this forum but have had a less then positive experience by some of the members of the forum from this and other exchanges.

It is a pity that we could not live up to your expectations.

I had asked a simple question and I get psycho analyzed by some of the members. I really did not expect this from people who I thought were open to esoteric concepts and of what I foolishly thought were others of like mind.

Instead you were hoping for validation of your experience. It felt so wonderful after all! But if there is anything you will learn here it is that they come at us sideways, through the feelings. Your emotional attachment to this experience having important significance

Fw said:
The feeling I got from some of the forum members was more malevolent then this particular experience.

Of course! The experience felt wonderful! Anything else, not least sober reality, would pale in comparison.

Fw said:
I saw that the conversation was going into a negative spiral and decided to disengage. I feel that we all need to be a little kinder to ourselves and others at this time.

You're right, we do need to be kinder to each other and I would like you to know that I mean well for you Fastwalker. But when it comes to matters of the unknown we need to behave somewhat ruthlessly and clinically towards it. You and I and everyone on this forum - indeed, everyone in third density - is approaching the unknown from a position of ignorance. Until the playing field is leveled, so to speak, we simply cannot rely on our individual feelings about something to decide whether or not it is a good thing for our development. Remember this Sufi proverb:

So preserve yourselves, my brothers, from the calamities of this place, for distinguishing it is extremely difficult! Souls find it sweet, and then within it they are duped, since they become completely enamored of it.

Fw said:
There is enough chaos in the world without bring it here to the Forum. Are we not suppose to be networking?

Indeed, and this thread stands as a good example of it. Thanks to your input and the input of others who shared similar experiences, similar doubts and similar lessons.
 
Fastwalker said:
What ever this download was I feel that it was from a benevolent source.

Well, perhaps the download consisted of nothing at all? Just an illusion. Are you in any way smarter now? Can you solve more problems than before? How? Nothing serves better than examples. Tell us what did you learn from this experience in practical terms. Are you now able to understand Plato better than before? Or are you smarter as regards psychology or, say, sociology? Or, perhaps, medicine? Or, perhaps, you are now able to dig out more data concerning world events?
 
ark said:
Fastwalker said:
What ever this download was I feel that it was from a benevolent source.

Well, perhaps the download consisted of nothing at all? Just an illusion. Are you in any way smarter now? Can you solve more problems than before? How? Nothing serves better than examples. Tell us what did you learn from this experience in practical terms. Are you now able to understand Plato better than before? Or are you smarter as regards psychology or, say, sociology? Or, perhaps, medicine? Or, perhaps, you are now able to dig out more data concerning world events?


This is the focus of this issue. And this is what happens to the vast majority of newagers and people "spiritual". I have heard many stories of people who have had strange experiences and visions of different class, I lived very close.

And then what? For nothing. His life continues as before, and he´s believe it has changed something and it's pure illusion.

The Work is not it. In the Work, working.
 

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