Hemochromatosis and Autoimmune Conditions
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mcb
The Living Force
anart said:
That is a positive reading on all three measures, using the IOD criteria! It's not borderline. The IOD approach is simpler than that of some of their spin-off/look-alikes (no genetic testing & no liver biopsy), and makes more sense to me. It sounds to me as though you should try decanting some significant amounts of blood, in order to confirm the test results.
I am thinking the same for myself, although only two measure were out of bounds and the other was barely inside. In both cases, yours and mine, there is likely to be something peculiar (and unwanted) going on with iron, whether HH is the cause or not.
In between decantations (how's that for a word?) I'm doing the EDTA oral chelation as I've mentioned. I've been doing it three days on, four off, and taking mineral supplements on the four days off. It must be really doing something because I get these bursts of energy while taking EDTA. I understand that is because it is unloading the evil heavy metals and allowing the zinc to do its thing (whatever it is) with the mtDNA energy factories. I also noticed that I had mild leg cramps this morning so I stopped after two days this time and will go a week taking minerals before the next round.
Anyway, funny thing: I had a dream the other night that someone was supposed to give me a validation or verification of some sort for Matthew 24. I was given a box and inside was a funny looking carton which I opened and it had 72 eggs in it cleverly arranged like sphere packing so that they all fit in this very small carton. This was supposed to be the "validation of Matthew 24. (Don't ask, I just dream the stuff!)
Today, a box arrived in the mail and I opened it. Inside were things that looked like big egg cartons - in fact, like the ones in my dream. BUT inside these boxy paper egg carton looking things were bottles of liquid minerals that I had ordered because I have problems swallowing the pills (they are giant). (Grape flavored, too!) Ark made a joke about my 72 eggs and Matthew 24 of the dream a couple nights ago.
That got me to thinking about all this blood, mineral, energy, transformation business and holding that bottle of minerals in my hand reminded me of something Cs once said about another dream I had, back in 1997:
Now the reason this reminded me of that dream was because in the dream, what I was cleaning was a bottle or vase I had picked up out of the mud in front of the cave that was similar in size to this bottle of minerals that just arrived in the mail. I was using something like Q-tips to clean out tracings in the vase and beautiful etching was being revealed and the vase itself was turning out to be beautiful purple translucent glass.
Anyway, this sorta came together with a conversation we had here about a week ago. We were talking about the fact that most people who give blood now and then don't even think about it in terms of it being beneficial to unload iron much less in esoteric terms. We were also speculating about the genetic implications of what we are doing and the step by step process we have followed for the past 5 years of physiology research, and that's when Belibaste said something like "what we are really doing here is going beyond being human, acquiring knowledge and application that go beyond just 'getting healthy'." When he said it, it struck me that, yeah, we aren't yet totally able to control everything in our environment with our thoughts as we would like, but we are practicing doing that, in effect, by acquiring knowledge and using ordinary 3D tools to do what amounts to the same thing, including our bodies. It then becomes like a feedback mechanism: once you know exactly what it is you need to do and how it feels, you can better achieve mental mastery. It's like practicing doing things with your mind via the medium of 3D reality actions.
Next thing is that while I was searching for that clip about the minerals, the following also came up from 1998:
Now, I don't know any more about the Hieronymous machine or what it could be used for, but I am definitely intrigued by trace minerals "interacting with deeply held secrets".
Anyway, funny thing: I had a dream the other night that someone was supposed to give me a validation or verification of some sort for Matthew 24. I was given a box and inside was a funny looking carton which I opened and it had 72 eggs in it cleverly arranged like sphere packing so that they all fit in this very small carton. This was supposed to be the "validation of Matthew 24. (Don't ask, I just dream the stuff!)
Today, a box arrived in the mail and I opened it. Inside were things that looked like big egg cartons - in fact, like the ones in my dream. BUT inside these boxy paper egg carton looking things were bottles of liquid minerals that I had ordered because I have problems swallowing the pills (they are giant). (Grape flavored, too!) Ark made a joke about my 72 eggs and Matthew 24 of the dream a couple nights ago.
That got me to thinking about all this blood, mineral, energy, transformation business and holding that bottle of minerals in my hand reminded me of something Cs once said about another dream I had, back in 1997:
Now the reason this reminded me of that dream was because in the dream, what I was cleaning was a bottle or vase I had picked up out of the mud in front of the cave that was similar in size to this bottle of minerals that just arrived in the mail. I was using something like Q-tips to clean out tracings in the vase and beautiful etching was being revealed and the vase itself was turning out to be beautiful purple translucent glass.
Anyway, this sorta came together with a conversation we had here about a week ago. We were talking about the fact that most people who give blood now and then don't even think about it in terms of it being beneficial to unload iron much less in esoteric terms. We were also speculating about the genetic implications of what we are doing and the step by step process we have followed for the past 5 years of physiology research, and that's when Belibaste said something like "what we are really doing here is going beyond being human, acquiring knowledge and application that go beyond just 'getting healthy'." When he said it, it struck me that, yeah, we aren't yet totally able to control everything in our environment with our thoughts as we would like, but we are practicing doing that, in effect, by acquiring knowledge and using ordinary 3D tools to do what amounts to the same thing, including our bodies. It then becomes like a feedback mechanism: once you know exactly what it is you need to do and how it feels, you can better achieve mental mastery. It's like practicing doing things with your mind via the medium of 3D reality actions.
Next thing is that while I was searching for that clip about the minerals, the following also came up from 1998:
Now, I don't know any more about the Hieronymous machine or what it could be used for, but I am definitely intrigued by trace minerals "interacting with deeply held secrets".
Got my test results back from LabCorp:
Test Description Result Range Units
Iron, Serum001339 47 40-155 ug/dL
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC)001347 187 250-450 ug/dL (flagged as low)
UIBC001348 140 150-375 ug/dL (flagged as low)
Iron Saturation011362 25 15-55 %
Test Description Result Range Units
Ferritin, Serum004598 511 30-400 ng/mL (flagged as high)
I have an appointment to give blood in 3 weeks.
Test Description Result Range Units
Iron, Serum001339 47 40-155 ug/dL
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC)001347 187 250-450 ug/dL (flagged as low)
UIBC001348 140 150-375 ug/dL (flagged as low)
Iron Saturation011362 25 15-55 %
Test Description Result Range Units
Ferritin, Serum004598 511 30-400 ng/mL (flagged as high)
I have an appointment to give blood in 3 weeks.
mcb
The Living Force
Heimdallr said:
Your transferrin saturation is OK but UIBC is low and something is going on with serum ferritin (as it is with me). From what I understand so far, this may indicate some sort of chronic inflammation. The UIBC is an alternate way of testing for iron overload (HH or otherwise), and that reading is reason for concern, I believe.
In addition to hereditary hemochromatosis there are other iron overload disorders and even when these tests come back negative for HH, additional follow-up may be called for. This is where having a doctor that understands this stuff can come in very handy!
Decanting blood weekly and observing that hemoglobin comes right back seems to be the definitive way to diagnose HH, although evidently doctors may be reluctant to prescribe that.
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theos
The Living Force
Laura said:
That Tactile Detection Machine reminds me of a visit I had with a naturopath years ago. She had me hold different substances (like milk, wheat) in my hand while she touched my other hand. With her free hand she rubbed her index finger and thumb together. If the rubbing sensation was tacky or not smooth it indicated that my body did not want whatever substance I was holding. So in a way, humans can be tactile detection machines. Maybe this technique, if it's not total bunk, can be used to detect and analyze the bodies mineral levels and then compared to actual lab results as an experiment. :P
l apprenti de forgeron
The Living Force
I did a general blood analysis the previous week. The results were normal in almost all items. Except my ferritin levels were 105 ng/mL (sorry, but I have not asked further examination), but my level of immunoglobulin E are very high (I am a man of 30 years, and I suffer from allergies all my life, even before starting the paleo diet a couple of years ago. Though from the diet change have intensified my allergies). So I went to donate blood. And really after that I felt the same as someone said before, that my lungs opened up and I could breathe better, which is too obvious for someone like me with asthma. And what also happened is that the allergic reaction, hives from last week, disappeared.
For a more complete analysis would suffice with Transferrin saturation, serum Ferritin and serum iron or I need more? I also plan to genetic analysis, but maybe that should be the second step.
For a more complete analysis would suffice with Transferrin saturation, serum Ferritin and serum iron or I need more? I also plan to genetic analysis, but maybe that should be the second step.
Galaxia2002
Dagobah Resident
Odyssey said:
I read a book many years ago about radionics/dowsing and the possibilities it offers. The autor explained that through charts designed for a specific purpose he can obtain information about mineral balances in the body. It was something like put the pendulum in a periodic table, element by element with a picture of the subject in contact with the other hand and with a mental convention about the spin of the pendulum, ask if there was an excess of lack of any element in the body. Of course that need a lot of practice, but it was always in my mind to do it. Then, you can even ask if the mineral deficiency is present in any organ in the body using a chart of the human body parts. So it seems to be useful but needs to dominate the technique.
tohuwabohu
Jedi Master
Laura said:
What you said Laura invokes in me an experience I had with some multimineral supplement. I tried to regularly take the tablets like religion. And one day I just looked at the tablets and I thought I should take one but I had the feeling that no this is not the thing I need right now. I tried then to force myself but found that I would be ashamed of myself if I did that. I had to throw it out. Only now I realize that it was a good thing because I remember that the supplement contained a fair dose of iron. Back then I didn't know (I had only a feeling) but now I see it was a logical choice with the knowledge about iron overload.
Regarding the trace minerals that is an interesting stuff. The question is if the trace minerals are beneficial, or they tend to interfere with the body functions in some way. Like forming some plaque. The cleaning of the vase or bottle invokes in me cleaning of the body and EDTA surely cleans the body. But it can be interpreted in many ways.
shijing
The Living Force
There's some research by Clifford Carnicorn on Morgellon's and iron that may be worth looking at. As a caveat, Carnicorn is also known for his research into chemtrails, and was mentioned on the forum here. That being said, his Morgellon's research seems straightforward enough, and the discussion of iron (particularly the difference between Fe3+ and Fe2+) and biology is instructive:
http://www.carnicominstitute.org/articles/bio2011-6.htm
Main points (summarized at the bottom of the article) include alkalization, oxidation, iron and iron-consuming lifeforms, detoxification, and enzymes. There's also a video of his here where he and his guest talk about iron and its relation to other things like collagen, cysteine and histadine, and alkalinity (this study discusses a link between iron overload and collagen imbalance in the liver).
It's also mentioned in the Iron Disorders Institute Guide to Hemochromatosis (p. 99-100) that metals such as iron and possibly copper are implicated in diabetes, and the topic of trace minerals and their role in methylization (a key process in epigenetic function) is talked about in Nutrient Power.
Finally, there's a site based on the book How You Rot and Rust here:
http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rrintro.html
It approaches several topics within a pleomorphism framework, and also discusses things like pH level/alkalinity, trace minerals, and how these interact with the "terrain" of the body -- it's broken down into manageable subsections, and may have some leads that could be worth following up on.
http://www.carnicominstitute.org/articles/bio2011-6.htm
Main points (summarized at the bottom of the article) include alkalization, oxidation, iron and iron-consuming lifeforms, detoxification, and enzymes. There's also a video of his here where he and his guest talk about iron and its relation to other things like collagen, cysteine and histadine, and alkalinity (this study discusses a link between iron overload and collagen imbalance in the liver).
It's also mentioned in the Iron Disorders Institute Guide to Hemochromatosis (p. 99-100) that metals such as iron and possibly copper are implicated in diabetes, and the topic of trace minerals and their role in methylization (a key process in epigenetic function) is talked about in Nutrient Power.
Finally, there's a site based on the book How You Rot and Rust here:
http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rrintro.html
It approaches several topics within a pleomorphism framework, and also discusses things like pH level/alkalinity, trace minerals, and how these interact with the "terrain" of the body -- it's broken down into manageable subsections, and may have some leads that could be worth following up on.
A Hieronymous Machine patent is #2482773. Enter this into pat2pdf.org and it will give you a free PDF for it. There are a lot of ridiculous claims about this machine to be found on the net after the fact.
According to the patent, the resonant circuit acts as a filter, like a bandpass filter you would use to pick out a specific radio station and tune out the clutter.
In Laura's example, it seems the indicator plate was stimulated magnetically (flat coil), and in the patent it's stimulated electrically (electrodes). The patent states that the electrical amplifier is helpful, but not necessary. So I wonder if the same coil used to stimulate the indicator plate could be used as the detector coil in a simpler incarnation.
Here are two interesting links. Any such sites should be taken with a chunk of salt. The first link appears to be what Hieronymous himself wrote about the machine and is the most direct source of information I could find on its use. The second link shows a diagram of a different incarnation of the machine, and seems to be the kind Laura describes. This machine uses coil/capacitor resonators seemingly exclusively for tuning, and the prism is simply pointed at the specimen. The explanation given involves quantum physics and while I don't understand quantum physics it makes sense to me that Hieronymous's decision to put the specimen in a coil could have been a result of not really understanding the physics of the device. Maybe someone here can say if the quantum explanation makes sense?
_http://www.rexresearch.com/hieronym/1hieron.htm
_http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/typical_hieronymus_detector.htm
I can immediately think of some really helpful purposes for such a machine. For instance, characterize some omega-3 capsules and then compare the measurements with different meats to see what might be best to eat. Or, do the same with heavy metals or grains to see if your food is contaminated.
According to the patent, the resonant circuit acts as a filter, like a bandpass filter you would use to pick out a specific radio station and tune out the clutter.
In Laura's example, it seems the indicator plate was stimulated magnetically (flat coil), and in the patent it's stimulated electrically (electrodes). The patent states that the electrical amplifier is helpful, but not necessary. So I wonder if the same coil used to stimulate the indicator plate could be used as the detector coil in a simpler incarnation.
Here are two interesting links. Any such sites should be taken with a chunk of salt. The first link appears to be what Hieronymous himself wrote about the machine and is the most direct source of information I could find on its use. The second link shows a diagram of a different incarnation of the machine, and seems to be the kind Laura describes. This machine uses coil/capacitor resonators seemingly exclusively for tuning, and the prism is simply pointed at the specimen. The explanation given involves quantum physics and while I don't understand quantum physics it makes sense to me that Hieronymous's decision to put the specimen in a coil could have been a result of not really understanding the physics of the device. Maybe someone here can say if the quantum explanation makes sense?
_http://www.rexresearch.com/hieronym/1hieron.htm
_http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/typical_hieronymus_detector.htm
I can immediately think of some really helpful purposes for such a machine. For instance, characterize some omega-3 capsules and then compare the measurements with different meats to see what might be best to eat. Or, do the same with heavy metals or grains to see if your food is contaminated.