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Could this data base be useful even if only for comparison? It seems pretty detailed:

The Gallery of Natural Phenomena
The earth, the sea, the sky - and beyond
_http://www.phenomena.org.uk/page29/page29.html

This site will feature the history of the natural world, and accounts of historic geological, meteorological, and astronomical events. The selection of events is a personal one, although I have tried to pick ones for which information is otherwise hard to come by. I hope to extend the Landmarks Chronology up to the end of the 20th Century (eventually). I do have records of numerous events that were not considered 'remarkable' enough to be Landmarks. If you would like to know more about phenomena in a particular period of history, please contact me at christopherchatfield (at) gmail.com
 
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I'll take Nennius' History Of The Britons (Historia Brittonum)
 
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Renaissance said:
I'd like to help. I'll start with Polybius' The Rise of the Roman Empire.

Scratch that book, it looks like it may be excerpts from his larger work. I'll start with The Histories, Volume I: Books 1-2.
 
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Possibility of Being said:
Could this data base be useful even if only for comparison? It seems pretty detailed:

The Gallery of Natural Phenomena
The earth, the sea, the sky - and beyond
_http://www.phenomena.org.uk/page29/page29.html

That looks really handy! Inputting that data would require additional info for sources and dating methods, but it definitely looks like it will be useful.
 
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Possibility of Being said:
Could this data base be useful even if only for comparison? It seems pretty detailed:

The Gallery of Natural Phenomena
The earth, the sea, the sky - and beyond
_http://www.phenomena.org.uk/page29/page29.html

This site will feature the history of the natural world, and accounts of historic geological, meteorological, and astronomical events. The selection of events is a personal one, although I have tried to pick ones for which information is otherwise hard to come by. I hope to extend the Landmarks Chronology up to the end of the 20th Century (eventually). I do have records of numerous events that were not considered 'remarkable' enough to be Landmarks. If you would like to know more about phenomena in a particular period of history, please contact me at christopherchatfield (at) gmail.com

I think this is great, not only for comparison.
For the 1st Millennium period there is a list of 105 sources which were used, among them I recognized at least 6 from Laura's list of sources.
Descriptions of the events include exactly what was discussed here, and, as far as I see, the list covered the entire globe.
Great find Possibility of Being. :perfect:
 
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I second that! The "DARK AGES SOURCES" are full of comets, weather, etc.
 
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Approaching Infinity said:
Possibility of Being said:
Could this data base be useful even if only for comparison? It seems pretty detailed:

The Gallery of Natural Phenomena
The earth, the sea, the sky - and beyond
_http://www.phenomena.org.uk/page29/page29.html

That looks really handy! Inputting that data would require additional info for sources and dating methods, but it definitely looks like it will be useful.

Wow, that is really useful. It got a list of sources that we can look into and verify. Great find, indeed!
 
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Data said:
Laura said:
I suppose that we ought to split off this line of discussion into it's own thread so maybe one of the mods can do that.

We are now in a new thread.

I'll start working on the database.


If it wouldn't be more work than it's worth, could I make some a suggestion for the schema design? I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to post it here though.
 
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I've been thinking: perhaps we ought to list riots and invasions (tribes hungry and on the move), and reports of births of deformed infants and creatures and other "official prodigies."

The senate had the authority to declare something that had been reported as a "public prodigy or portent" and was then required to consult the augurs and/or haruspices to find out what kind of expiation had to be made. Then, the senate had to arrange for that expiation. So my thought is that reports of this kind would not be declared "publice" and pertaining to Rome as a whole, if there were not some sort of unrest or uneasiness about something, most often, the environment. Thus, if we put all of these sorts of things in the "People" category, representing the EFFECTS of the environmental stuff on the people, it might tell us something.
 
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In the book translated from Greek:

_http://www.hourofthetime.com/1-LF/November2012/Hour_Of_The_Time_11042012-The_Ecclesiastical_History_Of_Sozomen_And_Philostorgius-1855.pdf ,

The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen History of the Church
From A.D. 324 to A.D. 440
Translated From The Greek: With A Memoir Of The Author​


Also​

The Ecclesiastical History
Philostorgius
As Epitomized by
Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople​

Translated Edward Walford, M.A.​

In chapter 9 there is this description (not sure if it has been quoted in some of the modern books or by Laura), the sighting is well described:

After gaining this victory over Maximus, and after the arrival[4] of Theodosius at Rome, when the emperor was on the point of taking his departure thence, a new and strange star[5] was seen in the sky, which announced the coming of very great calamities upon the world. It appeared first at midnight, near the east, in the very circle which is called the Zodiac. It was large and bright, and in brilliance it was not much inferior to the morning star. After this, a concourse of stars gathered around it on every side, like a swarm of bees gathering in a cluster round their queen. Then, as if impelled by some mutual collision, the light of all the stars mingled together, and shone forth in a single flame, assuming the shape of a double-edged sword, huge and terrible. But that one star which first appeared seemed like the hilt of the sword above mentioned, or rather like a root shooting up the large body of light, from what appeared to be a star, surmounted with flowers darting up like the flame from a lamp. Such was the novel and wondrous sight exhibited by the star which
then appeared. Its course, moreover, was very different from that of the rest of the stars ; for from the time of its first appearing in the place where we have said, and moving on from thence, it began to rise and set together with the morning star. Afterwards, however, receding by little and little, it went up
towards the north, advancing slowly and gradually, and following its own course with a slight deflection towards the left of those who beheld it, but in reality it pursued in the same course as the other stars, with which it came into contact from time to time. At length, having completed its course in the space
of forty days, it suddenly passed on into the sign of the Great Bear, and was last seen in the very centre of it, where, soon afterwards, it was extinguished. In addition to these particulars, Philostorgius gives us many other wonderful details concerning this star in the shape of a sword.

Following this, is a most unusual comment in Chapter 11:


At the very time of the appearance of this star in the shape of a sword, there were seen also two human bodies ; one in Syria, far surpassing in height the usual stature of man, the other in Egypt, of incredible smallness. The Syrian was five cubits and a palm in height ; though his feet were by no means in proportion to the rest of the body, but were turned inwards and crooked. His name was Anthony. The Egyptian, however, was so extremely short, that he gracefully imitated partridges shut up in cages, and that the latter played and strove with him in jest. And what is more wonderful still, he had a stock of practical wisdom by no means commensurate with his bodily stature. His voice was far from unmusical, and his conversation evinced clearly the excellence
of his intellectual powers. Both of these lived in the time of Philostorgius, and neither of them was short-lived ; l the tall one dying after reaching five and twenty years of age, and the diminutive one nearly attaining the same number. In this place Philostorgius makes mention of many other prodigies
which had happened either at the same time with, or just be fore, those above-mentioned.

It was kind of a strange "afterwords" to include with the star/comet sighting.

Edit: added {b} to highlight the swarm-like conditions as in "cluster round their queen."
 
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If it is 1 hour or two per day , I will volunteer, but not sure which one to take though. If this gallery of natural phenomenon is useful ( this will be from main stream sources, hopefully this won't create problem), I can take that.

for now, volunteer list looks like this.

Author Volunteer
Polybius Shane
Diodorus of Sicily
Dionysius of Halicarnassus seeking truth
Livy Laura
Marcus Velleius Paterculus
Flavius Josephus
Plutarch
Gaius Cornelius Tacitus
Suetonius
Dio Cassius
Herodian
Eusebius of Caesarea
Ammianus Marcellinus
Theodoret
Priscus
Sozomen
Salvian
John Malalas Laura
Zosimus Zadius Sky
Procopius
Jordanes
Nennius Bear
Gregory of Tours Laura
Bede
Paul the Deacon Icedesert
Michael the syrian( french) pierre
ice core data mkrhr
 
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Approaching Infinity said:
That looks really handy! Inputting that data would require additional info for sources and dating methods, but it definitely looks like it will be useful.

I'm glad you guys find it useful and now I know why it was sitting in one of my tabs for a month or more. Notice that each event has one or more numbers pointing to its source(s) so it should be relatively easy to get the additional info if needed. There can possibly be more sources on the reading list that mention some of those listed events so they could be added too.
 
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I'll take Gregory and John Malalas also since I've already got most of their stuff extracted.
 
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I did a simple experiment and now I have a question.

I took a PDF from Flavius Josephus Antiquities of the Jews, opened up the search window, typed: famine and started searching. It showed mentions galore of famine and after a score or so I had enough -- but the text was by no means exhausted at that point. I only wanted to get a first impression. I repeated with portent (two mentions of portentous only) and prodigy (again two mentions only).

My question would be: can this be considered as a viable approach to quickly collect usable items to add to the Data thingy elsewhere or have we to read from cover to cover first? I mean, reading from cover to cover takes much more time and doesn't guarantee absence of omissions either.

Any thoughts?
 

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