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Ya'll be sure to include as complete a text as possible for the event without going overboard. And be sure also to include the information so that I can find it myself when I'm checking through things.

I'm thinking that we might ask the database to spit out texts in order and produce a real "Chronicle of the Fall".

I think that if people were to read the observations of what was going on back then, they would realize that it is pretty much the same as what is going on now. And then, perhaps, they would realize that such changes aren't like "the end of the world" except locally. But that a bunch of "local ends of the world" can add up and take down an entire civilization OVER TIME. And that time may be somewhat constrained, but the point is, you can't point to one single event and say "that was the end".

In other words, we are living RIGHT NOW in our own "end times" though, as has happened in the past, the end for some can be the beginning for others.
 
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I have a problem for the datation of dust/ash events and eclipses :

Chronological order

625 AD :

At that time, there was an eclipse of the sun, and this eclipse lasted from Tichrin I (October) until Haziran (June), i.e. for nine months; half of the disc was eclipsed and the other was not; and only a little of its light was visible. . Agapius

626 MARCH

An exceedingly bright star appeared for 4 days in the west after sunset. Chron Pasc

627

AG 938 : On 15 september the sun and the moon were darkened. Chronicle to the year 724(written in 640 AD).

628/629

In this year in the sky a comet appeared, in the area of the west.
In year 7 of Mohammed, son of `Abdallah, there was an eclipse of the sun, and the stars appeared in full daylight. Agapius.

629
In the days of Heraclius, during one night in June, the earth shook violently. Chronicle to the year 724

My proposition :


626 MARCH

An exceedingly bright star appeared for 4 days in the west after sunset. Chron Pasc

In this year in the sky a comet appeared, in the area of the west.Agapius

627

AG 938 : On 15 september the sun and the moon were darkened Chronicle to the year 724 .
At that time, there was an eclipse of the sun, and this eclipse lasted from Tichrin I (October) until Haziran (June), i.e. for nine months; half of the disc was eclipsed and the other was not; and only a little of its light was visible. .
In year 7 of Mohammed, son of `Abdallah, there was an eclipse of the sun, and the stars appeared in full daylight. Agapius.

629
In the days of Heraclius, during one night in June, the earth shook violently. Chronicle to the year 724

I collect everything under 627 because the Chronicle to 724 is the earliest and the sources talk about 3 eclipse of the sun, or I keep the eclipse of 625 AD by Agapius and the dust event/eclipse of 627 AD, because it's two different events ?
 
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Livy History of Rome VIII_28-30
_https://archive.org/details/L381LivyHistoryOfRomeVIII2830 page 371
For Sicily three thousand soldiers were enrolled because all the best troops that province used to have
from the city, to conduct the great games which Titus ManUus Torquatus as dictator had vowed for the
fourth year, if the state should remain as it was before.
And new religious fears were aroused in men's minds by portents reported from a number of places.

On the Capitol ravens were believed not only to have torn away gilding with their beaks but even to
have eaten it. At Antium mice gnawed a golden wreath. The whole region around Capua was covered
by an immense number of locusts, while there was no agreement as to whence they had come. At
Reate a colt with five feet was foaled.
At Anagnia there were at first shooting-stars at intervals and then a great meteor blazed out.
At Frusino a halo encircled the sun with its slender circumference, and then the ring itself had a greater circle
bright as the sun circumscribed about it.
At Arpinum in an open meadow the earth settled into a huge depression.

One of the consuls on sacrificing his first victim found the " head " of the liver lacking.*

These prodigies were expiated by full-grown victims ;
the gods to whom sacrifices should be offered were announced by the college of the pontiffs.
Not sure what is meant by " head of the liver lacking." What category does this go ?

I put 'Rome' for Capitol
 
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Laura said:
Zadig said:
You said :
Now, I am a little bit suspicious of this account because there are certain similarities between it and an account told by Ammianus Marcellinus about a great earthquake and tsunami on the 21st of July 365 AD. This latter quake and tsunami were said to have occurred on the 9th of July, 551. What are the chances of two earthquakes occurring in July, specifically, causing devastating tsunamis? Okay, it can happen, but it still caught my attention.
So, knowing that two floods came in the middle of the night at two relatively distant locations, that is, Egypt and Cilicia, should have excited your curiosity about this strange coincidence. There is no mention of any prolonged rain, so what the heck is going on?

If I understand you, I must consider these two coincidences ?

Yes, at least to the extent of let's discuss it. Was it a geological water table event? Mudslides? Tidal event by the close passage of an electrically charged body? OR, did the chronicle just fail to mention the rain or that the snow was melting in the mountains upstream? Knowing how those guys worked even if they were NOT up to something, makes me suspicious that they are covering something up.

Oxajil said:
See attachment :)
Well, it seems the earthquake doesn't account for such large destruction. I attached a couple of tables: Authors reporting this event and when, and which date they gave, plus references. The other table is a list of ancient cities destroyed in circa 365 AD in which there is evidence of that date.

A few quotes from the article:

The 8.5+ magnitude, AD365 earthquake in Crete: Coastal uplift, topography changes, archaeological and historical signature
_http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040618209001499

...and especially with the up to 9 m uplift of a more than 100 km long segment of Crete.
The magnitude of the uplift would indicate one of the largest earthquakes
ever recorded on the earth (magnitude over 8).[...]

Historical data concerning earthquakes and tsunami destruction
circa AD365 are fragmentary, ambiguous and imprecise. However,
a destructive tsunami which affected the coasts of Egypt and
widespread seismic destructions in Crete, Sicily and Libya seem
documented beyond any reasonable doubt
(for a summary, see
Guidoboni et al., 1994; Stiros, 2001; Stiros and Papageorgiou, 2001;
Kelly, 2004).[...]

The famous text by Ammianus Marcelinnus (26.10.15–19)
reports that on July 21st, AD365, a tsunami-associated earthquake
affected Alexandria in Egypt, and later authors report that this
event became a legend for more than a millennium commemorated
in this city for more than 200 years as the ‘‘Day of Horror’’
(for
a summary, see Guidoboni et al., 1994; Stiros, 2001). On the
contrary, in the Chronicle of John, Bishop of Nikiu in Egypt, it is
clearly stated that at least a large part of the ancient city was not
affected by the tsunami (LXXXII, 19–21, English 1916 translation
from a 7th c. version).[...]

Further contribution to the study of the AD365 tsunami provide
models of propagation of tsunami generated south of Crete (Tinti
et al., 2005; Yolsal et al., 2007; Shawet al., 2008; Lorito et al., 2008).
These models cannot support the hypothesis of tsunami from this
area seriously affecting Alexandria in Egypt, especially the polarity
of the tsunami (retreat of waters prior to the tsunami flooding,
explicitly described by Ammianus Marcelinus)
. In particular, Lorito
et al. (2008) indicate that tsunami generated in SW part of the
Hellenic arc can only have a minor impact (waves of sub-meter
amplitude) along the Croatian coasts in the Adriatic Sea.
[...]

In one of these graphs new land formed after the AD365 event is
marked, while the diagram of Flemming (1978) for the whole of
Crete shows the contrast between uplift in the western and
subsidence in the eastern part of the island. As shown in Fig. 2a, the
AD365 uplift extends as far as the Antikythira Islet. No evidence of
uplift or of subsidence was found in Kythira or Gavdos Ilset (Fig. 2a;
P. Pirazzoli, personal communication). After this uplift, relative sealevel
remained essentially stable on an island-wide scale, raising
questions as to whether the earthquake cycle in Crete is a ‘‘typical’’
one
(Stiros, 1996a).[...]

Evidence of a major earthquake

There are several lines of evidence that the uplift dated by
radiocarbon at circa 1550BP was associated with a major earthquake
in AD365:

Biological evidence: very fragile Bryozoans of the infralittoral
zone are preserved exposed above the water. This is evidence that
Bryozoans rapidly crossed the midlittoral zone, where erosion is
intense, without been eroded (Thommeret et al., 1981; Pirazzoli
et al., 1989). Hence there is biological evidence of a rapid,
conspicuously seismic uplift of Crete, and not of slow, non-seismic
uplift during a relatively long period (e.g. tens or hundreds of
years).[...]

Archaeological evidence: Stiros (2001), Stiros and Papageorgiou
(2001) and Stiros et al. (2004) presented or summarized widespread
evidence of destruction layers that are related to earthquake(
s) in circa AD365 in at least three towns of Crete along
a distance of the order of 150 km (see Fig. 4). Evidence of an
earthquake was clear, for instance people killed and buried by
fallen roofs of houses, in some cases with glasses at hand and with
coins in their pockets (compare with Stiros, 1996b). Numismatic
and other evidence indicates that all these destructions are likely to
have occurred in AD365 (Table 3).[...]

Recent evidence summarized elsewhere provides additional
evidence for a major seismic destruction shortly after AD364 in
various parts of Crete, including at Knossos, near Herakleion in
central Crete, where a ‘thesaurus’’ (treasure, hoard) of about 1000
coins was found hidden in the remains of the walls of an ancient
house. In the absence of banks, such ‘‘thesauroi’’ reflect a tradition
in antiquity to safely hide money. The distribution of the date of
production of the coins of this ‘‘thesaurus’’ clearly indicates that it
was deposited between AD364–AD367
(Fig. 5), and it was then
abandoned (presumably) because its owner disappeared (Sidiropoulos,
2004)...However, several forgotten hoards of
this period were found in Crete, and this provides evidence suggesting
a wider extinction of their owners during an event of
unprecedented scale in the history and archaeology of the region.
If
on the basis of the available data, epidemics and war can be
excluded
, extensive seismic destruction remains the likely reason.
In addition, since coins of a slightly later age have been found in
Crete, demonstrating a continuity of coin circulation in this island
(Fig. 5), the most recent coins in the hoards provide a reliable and
precise estimate of the date of their deposition (Stiros, unpublished
data).

Except for Crete, systematic archaeological excavations in
Cyprus, Libya and Southern Italy have revealed clear signs of
extensive seismic destruction which in many cases fall within
a period some months to a few years, correlating with literary
evidence for a regionally destructive event
(or sequence of events)
circa AD365 (Fig. 1; Table 3). The most spectacular and clear are
earthquake victims, people, occasionally whole families, and horses
at Kourion, near Paphos, Cyprus (see Sorren and Davis, 1985;
Sorren, 1988). In many cases the dating of these events, based on
inscriptions and on numismatic evidence, is accurate to within
months or years. These data are summarized in Table 3 and permit
identification of at least large parts of the regions which were hit by
earthquakes circa AD365.[...]

Evidence summarized above indicates that the up to 9 m uplift
and tilting of Crete was an episodic event which correlates with
large-scale seismic destruction of the island in AD365. Elastic
dislocation analysis of this uplift indicates that it can be associated
with a thrust offshore of southwestern Crete, which produced an
earthquake of a magnitude (M > 8.5), unusual in the geologic
history of the island, at least over a period of 120,000 years
(since
the Last Interglacial, Pirazzoli et al., 1982; Pirazzoli, 1986; Kelletat,
1991). This was not an isolated event, but belonged to a seismic
sequence which affected Cyprus, Libya, Sicily and probably other
areas, and it was clustered in a short time period, short enough to
be regarded by the ancients as a single, universal event (‘‘terraemotu
per totum orbem facto’’, Migne, PL 27, 694). Such a seismic
sequence is clearly consistent with current understanding of other
giant earthquakes, for instance the 1960 Chile earthquake (Plafker
and Savage, 1970).
If the AD365 earthquake had produced a tsunami by faulting of
the seabed, the propagation of this tsunami would be very similar
to that modelled by Tinti et al. (2005), Yolsal et al. (2007), Shaw
et al. (2008) and Lorito et al. (2008). It is, however, questionable
whether modelled tsunami can account for the reported destruction
in the Nile Delta (see above).

Another characteristic of the AD365 earthquake is that, in spite
of its magnitude, the scale of the destruction produced and its
association with a series of other major destructive earthquakes
(Pirazzoli, 1986; Pirazzoli et al., 1996), it does not represent a catastrophic
event leading to the collapse of the Roman Empire which
was indeed in a deep crisis. The AD365 earthquake, indeed, seems
to represent only a rather minor cultural discontinuity in Crete,
marking the transition from the Roman to the Christian era in the
island, as stratigraphic data summarized in Stiros (2001) and Stiros
and Papageorgiou (2001) reveal. It is interesting that Gortyn, capital
of Crete in antiquity, was destroyed by the AD365 and other
smaller, subsequent earthquakes, but every time it rapidly recovered,
until it was finally destroyed by a lesser earthquake in the 7th
c. AD, because the political background at this period did not
support its post-seismic recovery (DiVita, 1996).
 

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seek10 said:
Livy History of Rome VIII_28-30
_https://archive.org/details/L381LivyHistoryOfRomeVIII2830 page 371
For Sicily three thousand soldiers were enrolled because all the best troops that province used to have
from the city, to conduct the great games which Titus ManUus Torquatus as dictator had vowed for the
fourth year, if the state should remain as it was before.
And new religious fears were aroused in men's minds by portents reported from a number of places.

(1) On the Capitol ravens were believed not only to have torn away gilding with their beaks but even to have eaten it. {The Capitol was a building/hill in Rome.}

(1) At Antium mice gnawed a golden wreath. {port on the coast of Latium, about 30 miles south of Rome.}

(2)The whole region around Capua was covered by an immense number of locusts, while there was no agreement as to whence they had come. {Capua is a city situated 25 km (16 mi) north of Naples.}

(1) At Reate a colt with five feet was foaled. {Reate was originally a major site of the Sabine nation. After the Roman conquest, carried out by Manius Curius Dentatus in late 3rd century BC, the village became a strategic point in the early Italian road network.}

{Put three of the above into one entry, Animal Prodigies. The locusts should be a separate entry. For the animal prodigies entry, keywords: roof-eating ravens, gnawing mice, deformed colt.}

(3) At Anagnia there were at first shooting-stars at intervals and then a great meteor blazed out. { ancient town and comune in Latium, central Italy, in the hills east-southeast of Rome.}

(4) At Frusino a halo encircled the sun with its slender circumference, and then the ring itself had a greater circle bright as the sun circumscribed about it.

(5) At Arpinum in an open meadow the earth settled into a huge depression.



One of the consuls on sacrificing his first victim found the " head " of the liver lacking.*

These prodigies were expiated by full-grown victims ;
the gods to whom sacrifices should be offered were announced by the college of the pontiffs.
Not sure what is meant by " head of the liver lacking." What category does this go ?

I put 'Rome' for Capitol

The head of the liver is just a part of it according to haruspicy. I don't think I'd even mention it specifically since all the animal prodigies will be one entry.
 
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Zadius Sky said:
Laura said:
Sorry. I guess that was Zadiussky. Both Zs and me reading fast.

I think that was Dirgni (I only added one from Einhard on fireballs):

Dirgni said:
I finished Einhard's "The Life of Charlemagne" and included all entries into Historical Events Database. I hope the wars are not too much.
Yes these were mine. Sorry Zadig, Zadius Sky and Laura.


About Entry 390
Book III (11)
(11) The assembly (Diet / Reichstag) near the city of Augsburg and the miracle that happened there
When the assembly was gathered there, Berengar linked hands with his son Adalbert, and as he had once before submitted to the king, when he was in flight from Hugh, so now he renewed his fealty, and in front of the whole army he and his son made submission to the king; and so he was allowed to leave and returned in peace to Italy under the royal grace. A great wonder took place here in the sight of many, for during a violent thunderstorm a hailstone of extraordinary size fell from the sky.
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XI. De conventu populi apud urbem Augustanam.

Ubi cum conventus fieret, Bernharius manus filii sui Adalberhti suis manibus inplicans, licet olim Hugonem fugiens regi subderetur, tunc tamen renovata fide coram omni exercitu famulatui regis se cum filio subiugavit; et ita dimissus in Italiam remeavit cum gratia et pace. Ibi mirae magnitudinis lapis grandinis tonitru ac tempestate turbulenta de caelo iactus ingens miraculum multis visentibus prebuit.
When I read this I had the impression this could also be "a stone falling from sky" accompanied with a lot of noice and storm. Could be potentially something like a "thunderbolt" or "stone from sky/heaven". I will add "stone from heaven?" to the keywords if this is OK for you.
 
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@ DATA -- I have to repeat:

I cannot access the database website with the info you gave me in the PM; not even when I copy/paste exactly what you gave me directly from the PM.
All I ever get is the blanc log in page again, over and over.

I'm using Firefox 27.0.1 at the moment.

Will you please look into this and fix whatever is broken? Thank you.
 
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Dirgni said:
About Entry 390
Book III (11)
(11) The assembly (Diet / Reichstag) near the city of Augsburg and the miracle that happened there
When the assembly was gathered there, Berengar linked hands with his son Adalbert, and as he had once before submitted to the king, when he was in flight from Hugh, so now he renewed his fealty, and in front of the whole army he and his son made submission to the king; and so he was allowed to leave and returned in peace to Italy under the royal grace. A great wonder took place here in the sight of many, for during a violent thunderstorm a hailstone of extraordinary size fell from the sky.
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XI. De conventu populi apud urbem Augustanam.

Ubi cum conventus fieret, Bernharius manus filii sui Adalberhti suis manibus inplicans, licet olim Hugonem fugiens regi subderetur, tunc tamen renovata fide coram omni exercitu famulatui regis se cum filio subiugavit; et ita dimissus in Italiam remeavit cum gratia et pace. Ibi mirae magnitudinis lapis grandinis tonitru ac tempestate turbulenta de caelo iactus ingens miraculum multis visentibus prebuit.
When I read this I had the impression this could also be "a stone falling from sky" accompanied with a lot of noice and storm. Could be potentially something like a "thunderbolt" or "stone from sky/heaven". I will add "stone from heaven?" to the keywords if this is OK for you.

Well, it does say "hail stone": lapis grandinis but I don't know why grando and grandinat mean "hail". I mean, it's stuck there in the middle of other "grand*" Latin words all of which have very different meanings mostly having to do with being very great, large or very old. So that's bizarre. I wonder if that is one of those translations that is done based on assumption: that because stones cannot fall from the sky, it must not be a real stone? The dictionary I have doesn't give the etymology.

So, leave it at "giant hail stone" and we will all just keep in mind that "hail" might very well mean something else.
 
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I'd like a feedback on the three events that I found in Zosimus here:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33985.msg475845.html#msg475845

They're the only events left to be added from this historian.

I since have looked up a "raining corn" on the Net, which I thought was preposterous, but apparently it can happen.
 
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Laura said:
The head of the liver is just a part of it according to haruspicy. I don't think I'd even mention it specifically since all the animal prodigies will be one entry.

Thank you Laura. Updated DB with all the suggested changes.
 
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Laura said:
Speaking of Italy:

On this topic:

http://www.lavocedinewyork.com/Gioie-e-dolori-del-dialetto/d/4731/

This includes the following map of modern language/dialect areas:

D5713A13-975C-11.png


The history of the island of Sardinia, relatively isolated from the European continent up into modern times, led to the development of a distinct Romance language, which even now preserves traces of the indigenous pre-Roman language of the island. The language is of Latin origin like all Romance languages yet the following substratal influences are possible:

Nuragic
Etruscan

Adstratal influences include:

Catalan
Spanish
Italian

...The early origins of the Sardinian language (sometimes called Paleo-Sardinian) are still obscure, due mostly to the lack of documents, as Sardinian appeared as a written form only in the Middle Ages. ...

Harald Sverdrup (2002a, b, c) in Languages and their Speakers in Ancient Eurasia treats what he calls the Paleo-European languages in some detail (see map below, and attached examples of PE cognates which include Nuragic):

2lw0vw4.jpg


In his article on Tartessian (2002c), he says:

Sverdrup (2002c) said:
The civilization of Tartessos is known in myths from antiquity. It is described in Greek and Roman works (Herodotus, Strabo, Pliny) as well as in the Bible. The Tartessians had a kingdom famous for its riches in gold, silver and other metals. It flourished from sometime before 1300 BC to approximately 300 BC, when it disappeared in the Iberian and Punic military expansions in the southern Iberian peninsula. The city of Tartessos is believed to have been located near or under the modern city of Huelva, in southwestern Spain. Here deposits with more than 15 million metric tons of slag have been found, the largest ancient mining waste deposits ever found (Chamorro 1987). Tartessian is one of several non-Indo-European languages found in Europe at this time. Indo-European languages never completely eradicated the aboriginal languages of Europe, and 2000 years ago, at least 15 different non-Indo-European languages were still spoken in Europe.

So Sverdrup doesn't consider the PE languages to be Indo-European, which is the prevailing view. Allan Bomhard in his most recent 2013 book (A Comprehensive Introduction to Nostratic Comparative Linguistics) has the following to say in his section on Etruscan:

Bomhard (2013) said:
In spite of several heroic efforts, Etruscan has never been convincingly shown to be related to any known language or language family, except the poorly-attested Lemnian (spoken on the island of Lemnos) and Raetic (spoken in northeastern Italy in present-day Tyrol) (cf. Rix 1998b; Sverdrup 2002). This applies as well to recent attempts by Russian scholars to establish a connection between Etruscan and Northeast Caucasian (cf. Orël——Starostin 1990). And yet, there are some important clues as to the origin of Etruscan, and these need to be looked at in a new perspective. But, first, a few introductory comments need to be made.

Etruscan was spoken in central Italy, with the largest concentration of speakers being in the region now known as Tuscany. It is now generally accepted that Etruscan was an indigenous language of Italy and not a recent importation (cf. Barker——Rasmussen 1997:83——84; though as recently as 2003, Beekes still argued for an Anatolian origin). The first written documents date from the 7th century BCE, while the latest date from the first century CE, which is probably not far beyond the time that Etruscan became extinct. Etruscan was usually written from right to left in an alphabet based mostly on Western Greek models (cf. Rix 2004:945). Though approximately 13,000 Etruscan inscriptions have been found, the overwhelming majority of them are extremely brief and consist mainly of formulaic inscriptions written on tombs and sarcophagi.

[...]

These and other similarities are discussed in detail in articles by Adrados (1989a and 2005a) and Woudhuizen (1991). Adrados draws the conclusion that Etruscan is an archaic Indo-European language and that it is particularly close to the languages of the Anatolian branch. Woudhuizen reaches a similar conclusion, as did Georgiev (1979) before them. In my opinion, Adrados and Woudhuizen have indeed shown that Etruscan is related in some way to Indo-European, but not as a daughter language —— this differs from my previous position on this matter. The question then arises, if Etruscan is not an Indo-European daughter language, then what is the nature of its relationship to Indo-European and, further, to Nostratic?

Until fairly recently, Etruscan was considered to be a language isolate, with no known relatives. However, this view is no longer tenable. As noted at the beginning of this chapter, Etruscan is now known to be related to Raetic and Lemnian (cf. Rix 2004:944). Together, these three form the Tyrrhenian language family. Hence, when looking for possible relatives of Etruscan, we need to think in terms of Tyrrhenian as a whole rather than working with a single branch of this language family. Unfortunately, Proto-Tyrrhenian has not yet been reconstructed. Rix (2004:944) calls the parent language Proto-Tyrsenic and dates it to the last quarter of the second millennium BCE. He further notes that the location of its homeland is disputed.

The striking similarities between Tyrrhenian (only Etruscan has been compared to date, not reconstructed Proto-Tyrrhenian) and Indo-European presented in this chapter and by several other scholars are real, as are the similarities between Tyrrhenian and other Nostratic languages. These similarities point to genetic relationship. Thus, the following hypothesis may tentatively be proposed: The Tyrrhenian language family is a separate branch of Eurasiatic, closest to Indo-European. Eurasiatic, in turn, is a branch of the Nostratic macrofamily. Future research must be directed toward testing the validity of the conclusions reached in this section, especially in light of the growing body of literature on Nostratic.

Going back to Sverdrup's work and overlaying it onto Bomhard's hypothesis above, this would imply two sister groups: (1) Paleo-European (which may also include the North Caucasian languages and Burushaski, cf. John Bengtson's work on Macro-Caucasic), which was the original aboriginal group of Europe and (2) Indo-European, which ended up eventually displacing and absorbing most of the Paleo-European groups.
 

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Is anybody interested in old russian chronicles (10-17th century) about unusual weather events? I don't think there is much about it in english.
 
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seek10 said:
I read through the this short document Laura attached . "A Catalogue Of Greco-Roman Comets From 500 B.C. To A.D. 400.pdf". I will start updating database if there is no entry.
I checked the sources for the comets Yoeman didn't mention, but exist in the above paper and updated the DB.

But some portions are not clear for location or time from original author( or in my internet search)
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/39*.html
39.20.1
For a season, then, Milo served as an excuse for their taunts and assassinations. But about this time some portents occurred:
on the Alban Mount a small temple of Juno, set on a kind of table facing the east, was turned around toward the north;
a blaze of light darted from the south across to the north;
A wolf entered the city; an earthquake occurred;
Some of the citizens were killed by thunderbolts;
In the Latin territory a subterranean tumult was heard; and the soothsayers, being anxious to find a remedy, said that some divinity was angry with them because some temples or consecrated sites were being used for residence
Is it Latin area in Rome itself or latin territory in Roman empire?

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/56*.html
56.24.4
For a catastrophe so great and sudden as this, it seemed to him, could have been due to nothing else than the wrath of some divinity; moreover, by reason of the portents which occurred both before the defeat and afterwards, he was strongly inclined to suspect some superhuman agency.
For the temple of Mars in the field of the same name was struck by lightning,
and many locusts flew into the very city and were devoured by swallows;
the peaks of the Alps seemed to collapse upon one another and to send up three columns of fire;
the sky in many places seemed ablaze
and numerous comets appeared at one and the same time; spears seemed to dart from the north and to fall in the direction of the Roman camps;
bees formed their combs about the altars in the camps; A statue of Victory that was in the province of Germany and faced the enemy's territory turned about to face Italy;
and in one instance there was a futile battle and conflict of the soldiers over the eagles in the camps, the soldiers believing that the barbarians had fallen upon them.
Which category ‘statue/table turned’ goes into when there is no earthquake description exist.

Seneca, Natural questions 1.1.2.
http://naturalesquaestiones.blogspot.com/2009/08/book-i-tr-john-clarke.html
Better examine the cause of the phenomenon itself than form surmises as to why Aristotle has applied the name She-Goat to a ball of fire. This was the shape of the one as big as the moon that appeared when Paulus was engaged in the war against Perseus. In our own days we have more than once seen a huge ball-shaped flame which broke up in the very middle of its course. We saw a similar portent about the time of the death of the late Emperor Augustus. We again saw one when Sejanus was executed. A warning of the same kind preceded the death of Germanicus.
I have the dates but can I put the location as the place where event happened ?.
 
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seek10 said:
For a season, then, Milo served as an excuse for their taunts and assassinations. But about this time some portents occurred:
on the Alban Mount a small temple of Juno, set on a kind of table facing the east, was turned around toward the north;
a blaze of light darted from the south across to the north;
A wolf entered the city; an earthquake occurred;
Some of the citizens were killed by thunderbolts;
In the Latin territory a subterranean tumult was heard; and the soothsayers, being anxious to find a remedy, said that some divinity was angry with them because some temples or consecrated sites were being used for residence
Is it Latin area in Rome itself or latin territory in Roman empire?

The territory around Rome was called Latium. It included a confederation of about 30 villages and tribes organized for mutual defense. The term "Latin League" is one coined by modern historians with no precise Latin equivalent. It was called by the ancients simply "Latin territory".

Just for fun, here's a cool map showing how Rome grew and then was dismembered:

Roman_Republic_Empire_map.gif


And here is a map of Rome, proper, and its "seven hills".

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seek10 said:
For a catastrophe so great and sudden as this, it seemed to him, could have been due to nothing else than the wrath of some divinity; moreover, by reason of the portents which occurred both before the defeat and afterwards, he was strongly inclined to suspect some superhuman agency.
For the temple of Mars in the field of the same name was struck by lightning,
and many locusts flew into the very city and were devoured by swallows;
the peaks of the Alps seemed to collapse upon one another and to send up three columns of fire;
the sky in many places seemed ablaze {That sounds like impacts.}
and numerous comets appeared at one and the same time; spears seemed to dart from the north and to fall in the direction of the Roman camps;
bees formed their combs about the altars in the camps; A statue of Victory that was in the province of Germany and faced the enemy's territory turned about to face Italy;
and in one instance there was a futile battle and conflict of the soldiers over the eagles in the camps, the soldiers believing that the barbarians had fallen upon them.
Which category ‘statue/table turned’ goes into when there is no earthquake description exist.

As for the phenomenon of the moving statue... hmmm... just list it as a Prodigy under Society and a keyword like statue moves, statue weeps, statue sweats, statue broken, destroyed, whatever.

seek10 said:
Seneca, Natural questions 1.1.2.
http://naturalesquaestiones.blogspot.com/2009/08/book-i-tr-john-clarke.html
Better examine the cause of the phenomenon itself than form surmises as to why Aristotle has applied the name She-Goat to a ball of fire. This was the shape of the one as big as the moon that appeared when Paulus was engaged in the war against Perseus. In our own days we have more than once seen a huge ball-shaped flame which broke up in the very middle of its course. We saw a similar portent about the time of the death of the late Emperor Augustus. We again saw one when Sejanus was executed. A warning of the same kind preceded the death of Germanicus.
I have the dates but can I put the location as the place where event happened ?.

Sure.
 
Re: Historical Events Database

Palinurus said:
DATA: I tried to log in to the database website using the info you gave me in the PM but didn't get access. Tried three times, last time with slightly different case but to no avail at all. Is there something special I should do or refrain from?

For some reason, I hadn't created a login for you, even though I thought I did. Apologies. Anyway it should work now.
 

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