Hitler and Gurdjieff

[wanderer33]

From Gurdjieff biography - "From 1900-1912 he travelled in Asia, Africa and India with a community of truth seekers, in finding ancient wisdom, and then they went to Tibet and Egypt looking for old scrolls."

Rudolf Freiherr von Sebottendorff (or von Sebottendorf) was the alias of Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer (November 9, 1875 – May 8, 1945), who also occasionally used another alias, Erwin Torre. He was an important figure in the activities of the Thule Society, a post-World War I German occultist organization that influenced many members of the NSDAP. He was a Freemason and a practitioner of meditation, astrology, numerology, and alchemy.

Glauer was born in Hoyerswerda (located northeast of Dresden in Saxony, Germany), the son of a locomotive driver (or locomotive engineer) from Silesia. He appears to have worked as a technician in Egypt between 1897-1900, although according to his own account he spent less than a month there in 1900 after a short career as a merchant seaman. . (His account may not be completely accurate)

We have the founder of the Thule Society working at one time as a merchant seaman and working as a technician in Egypt at around the time Gurdjieff was in Egypt.

In Meetings with Remarkable Men, Gurdjieff also went to Egypt at approximately this time and also worked as a merchant seaman.

It is an odd coincidence in relation to this thread.

 

[Laura]

The REST of that story is even more interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_Sebottendorf

Involvement with the Thule Society

By 1916, Sebottendorff had attracted only one follower. In that year, however, he came into contact with the Germanenorden, and was subsequently appointed the Ordensmeister (local group leader) for the Bavaria division of the schismatic Germanenorden Walvater of the Holy Grail. Settling in Munich, he established the Thule Society, which became increasingly political, and in 1918 established a political party, the German Workers' Party. This party was joined in 1919 by Adolf Hitler, who transformed it into the National Socialist German Workers' Party or Nazi Party.

By then, however, Sebottendorff had left the Thule Society and Bavaria, having been accused of negligence in allegedly allowing the names of several key Thule Society members to fall into the hands of the government of the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, resulting in the execution of seven members after the attack on the Munich government in April 1919, an accusation that he never denied. Sebottendorff fled Germany for Switzerland and then Turkey.

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He returned to Germany in January 1933, and published Bevor Hitler kam: Urkundlich aus der Frühzeit der Nationalsozialistischen Bewegung (Before Hitler Came: Documents from the Early Days of the National Socialist Movement), dealing with the Thule Society and the DAP. Hitler himself understandably disliked this book, which was banned. Sebottendorff was arrested, but somehow escaped (presumably due to some friendship from his Munich days) and in 1934 returned to Turkey[5].

Sebottendorff was an agent of the German military intelligence in neutral Istanbul during the period 1942–1945, while apparently also working as a double agent for the British military. His German handler, Herbert Rittlinger, later described him as a "useless" agent (eine Null), but kept him on largely, it seems, because of an affection for "this strange, by then penniless man, whose history he did not know, who pretended enthusiasm for the Nazi cause and admiration for the SS but who in reality seemed little interested in either, much preferring to talk about Tibetans"[6].

Sebottendorff is generally thought to have committed suicide by jumping into the Bosphorus on May 8, 1945.

On the surface, it looks like he was trying to do a number of things, but pathologicals infiltrated and he knew it.... But that is just one possible interpretation.

It IS interesting how giving the important details can change the tenor of a presentation, eh? The Devil is, indeed, in the details. And often the Devil is in the details omitted.

 

[wanderer33]

True. I did read the rest of that blurb. I would like to know the details surrounding his alleged suicide.

Speaking of dodgy suicides...I was always suspicious of James Forrestal's suicide. If you read the newspaper story of the day, NT times etc.,
they have some maps of Bethesda Hospital and a detailed time sequenced story to go with the maps. There was definitely something rotten in Denmark with that 'suicide'.