How can I be freed from any inadvertent deals with 4th density STSs?

lake_george said:
From what Father Martin was saying, it sounds like there are no inadvertent deals, but that there is a point of 'choice' where someone >knows< they are making a deal. The longer the 'deal' goes on, the harder it is to get out of the deal and to exorcise the demon(s).
Sounds like bidding:

"Bidding" is a contest of will, rendering the consciousness that obeys into enslavement through its own free will. It is a command of obedience, precisely such as that issued without explanation against Strieber's lust for sweets. It's sole purpose is to bend the subject into accepting the command, the actual content of the order being largely beside the point. [�] To possess a legion of servants in this way is an actual nourishment to the centers and systems of 4th density; a kind of "food-chain pyramid."

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stalking.htm

lake_george said:
Love of God is a protection, and drives out fear.
Just my two cents but when one truly loves someone, as Timey points out, it's because they know them - they see that person for who they truly are and accept all aspects of them. In that way, it's objective because we don't just see the parts of them we 'like' but also the parts we 'don't like'. We are willing to bear witness to the truth of all that is within in them and at the same time, are willing to show them - to be vulnerable - all parts of ourselves. Even the ones we 'don't like'. It becomes a true exchange where each participant is fully engaged at all times with themselves and each other.

When one is rightly cherished as described above, I do think it can be a healing force that can drive out fear by fostering self acceptance and compassion, but think that such healing comes hand in hand with work on knowing/seeing/bearing witness to the lies we tell ourselves that keep us living in fear. In that way, the knowledge - the truth of all that is, as it is - can not only be received, but given as well. Perhaps that is what it is to be sto. To not just be unwilling but also unable to engage in lies of any kind because we have reached a level of complete acceptance of all because it is who we are. We become truth itself and thus are protected because we no longer walk in fear of seeing others or ourselves.

I can't know all this for sure since we are sts and won't know until we get there, but for what it's worth.
 
Timey said:
lake_george said:
Timey said:
lake_george said:
Love of God is a protection, and drives out fear.

That may be true to an extent, but how can someone truly love "God" without Knowledge? In my personal experience the "love of God" for protection basically amounts to the old New Age Maxim of "surround yourself with love and light", and this is actually very harmful. This might have been why I got zapped so bad. A little bit of validated faith is probably good, however.

Thank you ~ Excellent point Timey - and one that has worked for me as well!

For one thing, when I do really love something/someone, I want to know more about it!

It is also important to 'know one's enemies' too.

So it sounds like the bottom line certainly is to keep learning - but maybe stop accumulating trivia at the expense of knowledge that would help me.

Exactamundo! Don't know what you mean by trivia, though.

for a suggestion on what trivia could refer to, watch this (only 1:40 minutes) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ
 
Thanks Truth Seeker for providing this link, :flowers:

when it comes to religion or other false belief, I'm trying to understand the mechanism:

On page 21 of Volume III, The Law of One, the Ra entity characterizes a prototypical tactic of the [4th Density STS], that of "bidding." "Bidding" is described in such a way to make it clear that Strieber's experience represents a concrete instance of the phenomenon.

"Bidding" is a contest of will, rendering the consciousness that obeys into enslavement through its own free will. It is a command of obedience, precisely such as that issued without explanation against Strieber's lust for sweets. It's sole purpose is to bend the subject into accepting the command, the actual content of the order being largely beside the point. [�] To possess a legion of servants in this way is an actual nourishment to the centers and systems of 4th density; a kind of "food-chain pyramid." [�]

Thus we find the Strieber entity virtually paraphrasing the earlier Ra recitation of the modus operandi that identifies the Negative beings - the failure to exact obedience bears punishable consequence. It is a continuing illustration of the way in which the Negative polarity extorts the desired obedience - and thus soul capture - through manipulation of Love.

The higher density positive entities are light beings. The higher density negative entities are "light eaters." Love is light is knowledge. When they induce belief against what is objectively true, they have "eaten" the light-knowledge of the person who has chosen blind belief over fact! When you believe a lie, you have allowed the eating of your energy of awareness! When you do not take the time and trouble to check things out for yourself, to do the research, to compare, to network, to get a consensus, you have given away your power. You have failed in the creative act of learning.

Such beings are associated with darkness because the light- knowledge is drawn into the cavernous "black hole" of their congenital emptiness. [�] All the massive, cosmic project they are engaged in in full consciousness and on the grand scale, is ultimately a means of "cornering the market" on energy, monopolizing all the known fields of light or light potential. The expanding order they attempt to impose, the totalitarian control over increasingly large numbers they attempt to exert, is the fantastical and internally self-contradictory project of coercing everything in creation to work for them, to cultivate and keep the fields of their energy-reserves and to furnish self-replenishing "herds" of emotional source-nutriment which can be converted into useful energy or light-capital. Since the negative beings can't generate an important light-energy source themselves, they they use the reserves of the beings effectually harnessed in thrall to them. [�]

There is an immediate psychic bond produced by belief. There is an instantaneous linkage and interpenetration with the individual who has chosen to believe a lie. The higher-dimensional beings have subtle, vertical filamental axes fixed on human beings. Those subtle nerve-networks process radiant-energy values, drawn in through the etheric "chakras" of the higher-dimensional systems, represented by the pineal/pituitary glands.

The network of the STS hierarchy extends in myriad psychic webs of specialized powers, forces and functions like a voracious Net flung across the heaven of stars, the sum energy comprising the group consciousness of that net redounds to the basic benefit of the Being at the apex of the control pyramid. This apex is composed of the most persistently negative being - the one who has stuck it out against all evidence of progressively-diminishing returns. This being can be described as the Desolate One, a being who most directly embodies and promotes the ultimate negative objective.

Thank you Truth Seeker to provide this link, when we talk about religion, or any false belief this is perfectly explains the control mechanism:

The consciousness of that being is literally fed and magnified by the number and relative strength of the subordinate souls who have been voluntarily subsumed to the network. The greater the development of the psychic potentials of the individual who has been co-opted, the more "energy" he contributes to the whole system. The more psychic energy available to the "Commander" of the negative soul hierarchy, the greater his effective power to co-opt even more potent and more difficult to capture souls.

The "contributions of consciousness" consist effectively of the energy a soul would otherwise utilize to encompass objective knowledge. Each time they choose a lie over the effort required to dig down to the truth, or the effort required to adjust their own psyche to adapt to Truth, that "love" energy is effectively transferred to the individual who is producing the lie in which they are believing without effort on their part to ascertain its truth for themselves.

Since the flow of contributions is a vertically-hierarchic flow, it may be seen that development of the mechanical psychic "food pump" - the opening and development of the vital-psychic powers of the field troops - contributes energy-sums upwardly to the "cortical" station occupied by the Commander, and serve to literally amplify the Intelligence, the effective Presence of Wisdom (negatively influenced in this case). The use of chemicals to achieve higher states of awareness, especially those related to the Pineal gland - the "outflow valve," are emphasized in the teachings of the negative hierarchy.

The subordinates of the negative hierarchy are all connected like tiers of an immense structure, functioning as regimented extensions and mind/body "parts" - organs and processes serving the negative agenda from their respective levels - of the Overarching Apex, the "Eye of the Pyramid." The beings at the different tiers do not perceive the object of the Ultimate Objective because it is a characteristic of the Negative hierarchy to deliberately mask and distort that which is higher and more comprehensive from that which is lower and more "specialized."

In the positive realms, it is more intrinsically possible for the lower levels to perceive the objective and functions of the higher levels with a minimum of distortion because of the characteristic of the Positive realms to share and exchange rather than producing a one way channel of energies to the top, so to say.
 
Lake_George!

Great quote this is one of my favorite!

[quote author=lake_george]for a suggestion on what trivia could refer to, watch this (only 1:40 minutes) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ

[/quote]
 
anothermagyar said:
Lake_George!

Great quote this is one of my favorite!

[quote author=lake_george]for a suggestion on what trivia could refer to, watch this (only 1:40 minutes) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ
[/quote]

Holy Shnikies! This really makes me want to go back and watch this again (Monty Python's "Meaning of Life"), perhaps only having seen it once since conning the babysitter into renting it some 25 years ago when I was much too young to properly understand/appreciate it! And how apropos for the typical idiot youtube commenters/(plants?) to be heatedly arguing on and on about accents directly below.

Also thank you everyone for your contributions to this insightful thread.

edit: grammar
 
truth seeker said:
lake_george said:
From what Father Martin was saying, it sounds like there are no inadvertent deals, but that there is a point of 'choice' where someone >knows< they are making a deal. The longer the 'deal' goes on, the harder it is to get out of the deal and to exorcise the demon(s).
Sounds like bidding:

"Bidding" is a contest of will, rendering the consciousness that obeys into enslavement through its own free will. It is a command of obedience, precisely such as that issued without explanation against Strieber's lust for sweets. It's sole purpose is to bend the subject into accepting the command, the actual content of the order being largely beside the point. [�] To possess a legion of servants in this way is an actual nourishment to the centers and systems of 4th density; a kind of "food-chain pyramid."

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stalking.htm

lake_george said:
Love of God is a protection, and drives out fear.
Just my two cents but when one truly loves someone, as Timey points out, it's because they know them - they see that person for who they truly are and accept all aspects of them. In that way, it's objective because we don't just see the parts of them we 'like' but also the parts we 'don't like'. We are willing to bear witness to the truth of all that is within in them and at the same time, are willing to show them - to be vulnerable - all parts of ourselves. Even the ones we 'don't like'. It becomes a true exchange where each participant is fully engaged at all times with themselves and each other.

When one is rightly cherished as described above, I do think it can be a healing force that can drive out fear by fostering self acceptance and compassion, but think that such healing comes hand in hand with work on knowing/seeing/bearing witness to the lies we tell ourselves that keep us living in fear. In that way, the knowledge - the truth of all that is, as it is - can not only be received, but given as well. Perhaps that is what it is to be sto. To not just be unwilling but also unable to engage in lies of any kind because we have reached a level of complete acceptance of all because it is who we are. We become truth itself and thus are protected because we no longer walk in fear of seeing others or ourselves.

I can't know all this for sure since we are sts and won't know until we get there, but for what it's worth.
Referring to that article, I used to "love", or thought I did at least, 4D STS because they gave colour to the Universe, as well as allowing for free-will. Didn't love what they did though. Now I "appreciate" them, which is sort of like what I just described but more detached. Is this bidding?
 
Hi Timey,

You can appreciate them in a neutral way. Creation is all about balance and STS is vital to it's functioning. Appreciating them from this perspective is a good thing. I imagine that loving them would be fine if it took place from a position where you were fully independent of their influences - which would mean you'd be 6D STO. In the end the wrong thing to do is to indulge in hatred as that is precisely how you end up as food. I don't see how neutral appreciation could be linked to bidding. This is of course all just my opinion.
 
For what it is worth to anyone, I found a second "Coast to Coast" interview with Father Malachi Martin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shu2wnhAOwc

This is about 3 hours long.

There are special points of interest at 2 hours 25 minutes, and at 2 hours 50 minutes..

But then at 2 hours 57 minutes he is asked if the devils/demons can be the same entity as these aliens and he says yes he does.

At the 2 h 50 m mark he is talking about what was going on 'before' 'our' creation. It is very interesting.
 
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