How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[bozadi]

Can 6th density be experienced on a short wave?

No, apparently. Due to the reasons I previously referred to, I think the short wave cycle would necessarily end in 5D.

 

[bozadi]

I think I’m missing a whole chunk too, we’ve had these kinds of discussions before and the more info that’s added the further away from understanding anything I get

What's more frustrating is that it's a density level which we completed long ago!!! :))) On the one hand, we're discussing future densities and drawing some important and relatively consistent results on which many of us agree, and on the other hand, we get lost about some very simple realities of those levels which we successfully completed long ago :))

 

[axj]

But when you say "all beings", I think we should infer that those are "all the beings contained in our particular logos", not all beings in all logoi, because otherwise an absolute timeline would arise in which a short wave cycle was introduced for entire existence (all logoi) at a specific time, which would contradict the suggestion that "time doesn't exist."

I do not understand what you mean. What is "our logos"? Planetary, Solar, Galactic, Universe? And why would limiting the short wave cycle to "our logos" have anything to do with whether time does or does not exist?

By the way, we already had the discussion that beyond our illusory time there must be also something similar to time in the "eternal now". For example, the C's mentioned that they are also learning, which implies a before and after beyond our illusory time. Another clue from the C's was that the "expanded present is the real measure of time".

I don't remember anything from Ra and the C's that would suggest a "purely physical existence" as opposed to a purely etheric or half-etheric & half-physical cycling.

You already found the quote: "Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane".

Complete physicality would mean complete soullesness (complete lack of consciousness), which would mean complete non-existence.

Purely physical experience (as opposed to purely ethereal or half-half) still implies somebody who has that experience.

 

[Fluffy]

What's more frustrating is that it's a density level which we completed long ago!!! :))) On the one hand, we're discussing future densities and drawing some important and relatively consistent results on which many of us agree, and on the other hand, we get lost about some very simple realities of those levels which we successfully completed long ago :))

It’s the veil, I blame it completely

 

[bozadi]

Maybe this is why the C's said the following:

Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on 1st and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level understanding?

A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.

Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and 2nd density levels as well, just simply for the exercise in understanding that which is below us?

A: Strive always to rise.

Q: (V) Haven't we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as evolving souls?

A: Yes.

 

[bozadi]

It’s the veil, I blame it completely

What else!!! The traumatic conditions our veiling process, I mean the transfer from the long to the short wave, blew our minds altogether, especially upon the deep genetic manipulation of our DNA!

 

[bozadi]

What is "our logos"? Planetary, Solar, Galactic, Universe?

Probably galactic or universal. I mean our core logos (our local God?), the creator of all 7 densities in our universe or whatever. Not a sub-logos.

And why would limiting the short wave cycle to "our logos" have anything to do with whether time does or does not exist?

As I said, if the introduction of the short wave cycle happened in all logoi simultaneously, it would mean the short wave cycling began at a specific time for all existence in all logoi. If that was possible, then it would also be possible to pinpoint when the long wave cycle (STO as the only path) was introduced. This would mean that it's possible to say when existence/being/creation/life started for the first time. Is it really?

 

[bozadi]

I don't remember anything from Ra and the C's that would suggest a "purely physical existence" as opposed to a purely etheric or half-etheric & half-physical cycling.

You already found the quote: "Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane".

I don't see anything in that statement by the C's that would mean a "purely physical existence". We know that flora and fauna are 1D and 2D souls. Soul is not physical. I think I might be missing something in what you object to.

 

[bozadi]

As to the purported soullessness of a material:

Even inanimate matter learns

Soul is consciousness, period.

...even inanimate matter has a minimal level of matching consciousness.

So it seems that nothing can exist other than by consciousness, however primitive that consciousness may be. This seems to be the connection between knowledge/awareness and being.

Matter is sleeping soul/consciousness, and soul is awakened matter. They are essentially the same thing.

 

[axj]

As I said, if the introduction of the short wave cycle happened in all logoi simultaneously, it would mean the short wave cycling began at a specific time for all existence in all logoi. If that was possible, then it would also be possible to pinpoint when the long wave cycle (STO as the only path) was introduced.

I do not see how you arrive at that conclusion. The long wave cycle may have existed forever.

I don't see anything in that statement by the C's that would mean a "purely physical existence".

I think you are equating "ethereal" with "soul-level", which may or may not be correct. When the C's said "long wave cycle on the physical plane", it implies "purely physical existence" for souls, as opposed to "half ethereal and half physical existence" for souls (short wave).

We know that flora and fauna are 1D and 2D souls. Soul is not physical. I think I might be missing something in what you object to.

Yes, souls can apparently experience "purely physical" or "purely ethereal" or "half-half". I was responding to your objection that "purely physical" must mean soulless non-existence.

 

[bozadi]

I do not see how you arrive at that conclusion. The long wave cycle may have existed forever.

That's exactly what I say. Or, more specifically, the long wave cycle have always existed, just like the short wave cycle have always existed in one logos or another. That's not a "probability", it's the inevitable fact. Otherwise, it would be like saying "Being (Life, Truth) may have existed forever."

When the C's said "long wave cycle on the physical plane", it implies "purely physical existence" for souls, as opposed to "half ethereal and half physical existence" for souls (short wave).

Oh, I thought you equated your idea of "purely physical existence" to "soullessness" or something soul-independent. But, still, the term "purely physical existence" doesn't sound right to me. Can you please make a definition of it?

Yes, souls can apparently experience "purely physical" or "purely ethereal" or "half-half".

But this seems to contradict with the C's statement:

everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways.

You seem to suggest a third modality? But I might be misunderstanding you.

 

[Fluffy]

Oh, I thought you equated your idea of "purely physical existence" to "soullessness" or something soul-independent. But, still, the term "purely physical existence" doesn't sound right to me. Can you please make a definition of it?



You seem to suggest a third modality? But I might be misunderstanding you.

May be an OP would have a purely physical existence in a long wave cycle since they don’t have the soul substance of those higher chakras.
I don’t like to use soulless for them because they have something of the sort and I suppose like all things they learn, just like the green frog bowl.
May be OPs don’t even exist on a long wave cycle though and are a product only of a short wave cycle.

 

[axj]

That's exactly what I say. Or, more specifically, the long wave cycle have always existed, just like the short wave cycle have always existed in one logos or another. That's not a "probability", it's the inevitable fact. Otherwise, it would be like saying "Being (Life, Truth) may have existed forever."

This quote by the C's says that the short wave cycle has not existed forever, but was formed:

"The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence."

You seem to suggest a third modality? But I might be misunderstanding you.

The long wave cycle can apparently be purely ethereal (for humans) or purely physical (for flora and fauna). The short wave cycle is always half ethereal and half physical.

 

[Mari]

The idea of the conversation is that

'Before the group soul came into physical existence on earth in order to experience a short wave cycle and accelerate it's overall progression towards the one, there were 1st and 2nd density entities here experiencing existence on a long wave cycle. However, when the group soul arrived, it entered into 1st, 2nd and 3rd density instantiations of existence - rocks and minerals, flora and fauna, human bodies. And so, due to this 'interaction', 1st and 2nd density entities changed from a long wave cycle, to a short wave one, because they too became inhabited by the group soul.'

How I see it is kind of like following.

So, in 2 ideas of existence, there are:

Non-Being line, or the STS line - where consciousness regenerate at 1D as primal atoms - seeding 1D - and slowly progressing upwards; so 1D is a recycling from 6D STS to physical matter which is below the level of consciousness - sleeping consciousness - and how I understand it is that they have to grow a consciousness so they can host a soul.
Perhaps something like what the Cs said about computers:

Q: (L) Well, if the Grays are cyber-genetic probes of the Lizard Beings, and, in effect soulless, does this mean that some of the Lizard beings are also STO?

A: Well, first, no being that is given intelligence to think on its own is, in fact, completely soul-less. It does have some soul imprint; or what could be loosely referred to as soul imprint. This may be a collection of psychic energies that are available in the general vicinity. And this is stretching somewhat so that you can understand the basic ideas, even though in reality it is all far more complex than that. But, in any case, there is really no such thing as being completely soul-less, whether it be a natural intelligence or an artificially constructed intelligence. And, one of the very most interesting things about that from your perspective, is that your technology on 3rd density, which we might add, has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as "aliens," is now reaching a level whereby the artificially created intelligences can, in fact, begin to develop, or attract some soul imprint energy. If you follow what we are saying. For example: your computers, which are now on the verge of reaching the level whereby they can think by themselves, will begin to develop faint soul imprint.

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That soul imprint then becomes kind of like a embedded into a soul pool that now has different lessons - 2D, until it comes the time to graduate to 3D, using OPs - i.e. Neanderthals - as an entrance to 3D world, and so on to the union with One - or back to matter if they again choose STS.

On the STS axis, beings that graduate become more and more “encapsulated” until, at fifth density, they exist completely in entropic thought with no activity whatsoever. At some point, these contractile energies gain sufficient “weight” to graduate to sixth density, at which point, in contact with knowledge of all, they perceive their true function which is to regenerate at level One as primal atoms. They become matter. This occurs at the same instant that STO energies have gained weight on an opposing axis, and rise to union with the One. In short, a constant cycling.

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also

I understood that the idea of nonexistence exists only as an idea, and only because in a realm of infinite possibilities, even the potential of nonexistence exists as Non-being. In the two fundamental ideas of Being and Non-being, all creation is manifested. In the act of creation, the out rush of creative energy; half of the consciousness of God formed itself into a reflection of this idea of Non-being as part of the grand experience. And this reflection of Non-being is matter — it is only the half of the consciousness of God gone to sleep to offer itself as the clay from which the cosmos is formed.

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Being line, or STO one - where soul groups decide to do one more round, and as such decide to Fall back to 3D and incarnate in humanoid bodies to experience another set of lessons.
The Cs that said:

...You said numerous souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence come to be?

A: First was apelike.

Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike being just pop into the air? What did the souls do with these apelike beings?

A: Souls altered them by transfer.

Q: (L) Transfer of what?

A: Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first into Neanderthal.
...
Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?

A: Not this group.

Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?

A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?

Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?

A: You. The human race.

Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?

A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."

Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?

A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.

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So this part

...when the group soul arrived, it entered into 1st, 2nd and 3rd density instantiations of existence - rocks and minerals, flora and fauna, human bodies...

IMO here we´re talking about 2 different paths and, within those paths, different soul groups, with 1D not even hosting a soul, and with 3D beings populated with souls from both above and below, so to say.

This part:

1st and 2nd density entities changed from a long wave cycle, to a short wave one, because they too became inhabited by the group soul.

I don´t think that they "became inhabited by group soul" - as in singular, because 1D first have to "wake up" or grow consciousness so they can become/grow/develop soul imprint, or perhaps not even that but to develop a life force.

Perhaps like 5D STS is “encapsulated” in 5D until they gain sufficient “weight” to graduate to 6D, in this case 1D sleeps (and 1D only experience physical existence while sleeping in 1D long wave cycle?) until they grow consciousness capable for a soul imprint.
I.e.

Q: (L) Okay, now we have a couple of questions we want to get to here. You said before that OP's were originally intended as a bridge between second and third densities and that they were used. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to advance being dependent upon souled beings advancement to STO at the end of this cycle?

A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for its own use.

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So, I would say, in case of 1D, their lesson is to wake up and become a soul imprint (or a life force?) which is either due to interaction with souled 3D beings (incarnated from STO line? i.e. perhaps in a way that souled humans sing and pray next to the stones and rising it´s frequency) or perhaps after millennia of sleeping and then finally gained weight (a rock that was sitting on the some non-inhabited planet for millennia or as the Cs said "being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane", perhaps until some shock happens that changes the state of a rock).

So, pretty much, the idea that souled humans change the cycle for 1 and 2D is correct but not that they "became inhabited by the group soul" but that the souled beings help to accelerate progress of development of the soul in 1 and 2D beings.
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p.s. The team just released another video that touches this conversation:

 

[bozadi]

May be OPs don’t even exist on a long wave cycle though and are a product only of a short wave cycle.

Very interesting possibilities to think on.

This quote by the C's says that the short wave cycle has not existed forever, but was formed:

"The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence."

Yes, I'm aware of that, but as I said:

the short wave cycle have always existed in one logos or another.

...

The long wave cycle can apparently be purely ethereal (for humans) or purely physical (for flora and fauna). The short wave cycle is always half ethereal and half physical.

Since the C's said that the long wave is completely ethereal, I curently prefer to disagree with your suggestion that "the long wave is purely physical for flora and fauna". There must be some misunderstanding there. I prefer to consider that the experience of flora and fauna in the long wave is also "etheric" regardless of their inhabiting a physical plane. As I said before, when humanity was in the long wave (ethereal) cycle, they were apparently still somewhere on or around the planet earth at least for some time before the "fall". It seems that they were in some etheric field of the planet. There's a talk of humans living on Lemuria, which the C's say "submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately". So, if I get that right, the completely etheric long wave cycle can be connected to or with a physical plane, such as the Earth (marriage between soul and matter?) This "might" be roughly explaining how fauna and flora could be experiencing a long wave cycle on a physical plane. I don't claim to have clearly explained the situation, I just try to get closer to a reliable explanation as best as I can.