Hurricane Helene Brings Catastrophic Flooding to US South

[Ketone Cop]

Exactly. In the context of human life on this planet, nature and natural processes are infinitely more powerful (and way more awe inspiring) than the machinations of a secret elite. So I find the inclination of some members here to default to "secret govt. weapons" a bit strange.

In my defense, I did as a kid watch the skies as the government cloud-seeded our town during a drought and it did initiate some rainfall; and also, that government weather document I linked to from the 70's was pretty compelling, especially once I started double-checking some of the events they claimed occurred and I "verified" them by reading old newspaper articles from the areas affected by their "magic".

Looking at it now with fresh eyes I see that most of those weather events supposedly created by government programs were quite local in effect; usually involved messing with existing weather patterns; and were really inefficient overall. And most of the "events" in that document I could not actually find corroboration for.

So, all these claims the government is able to control the weather to any significant degree have to be taken with a grain of salt, remembering that governments will always try to claim that they are in fact in control of almost everything and FEAR THEM!!

And we see this all the time, as governments claim:

- "Chemtrails" are their creation and not, in actuality, mostly micrometeorites and comet dust
- "Fracking" is a main source of earthquakes rather than natural processes
- "Man-made diseases" are the main cause of illnesses rather than nature
- "Nukes/HAARP cause tsunamis and earthquakes" instead of nature
- "Nukes" will be blamed for future comet and asteroid impacts
- "Most big fires are caused by DEW's" though most are of natural origin (or arson)

...so add geoengineering weather events to that list.

There is truth that government entities can indeed cause some of those events at a small scale, but they are all bush-leaguer's when compared to Mother Nature.

I haven't seen this posted yet, but it turns out Ben Davidson ("Suspicious Observers") actually sees a lot of what we so here concerning HAARP and weather warfare. If only he would consider that major Earth disaster events are comet-related and not solar "micronovas"...

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

They couldn't get Milton at all correct - despite it being right there in front of them and observable from multiple angles and datapoints - yet they've convinced billions that they know how the global climate's going to be a century from now!

To be fair, climate is not weather, and predicting climate uses vastly different methods than predicting weather. Just because an organisation is good/bad at predicting climate does not necessarily mean they will be good/bad at predicting weather.

And Joe was referencing the data collected by the NWS after the fact, which they still do a pretty good job of.

 

[Ruth]

3.38 minutes video about the Craig Family many of whom died in floods/debris flow.

 

[dennis]

This is an example of either ignorance or deliberate disinformation. There is a thing called the Continental Divide where the rivers flow either to the Atlantic on one side or the Gulf of Mexico on the other.

The disaster was in the Asheville area...Lake Lure...Chimney Rock...Black Mountain.
The water flows from Lake Nantahala to the east downhill from 3000' to 1000'.
So the river runs west to east toward the coast.
I will list the elevations from Lake Nantahala to Black Mountain.

Wall Of Water 50' High Flooded The Appalachian Mountains - No Accident (Video)

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Here are the river basins showing where the water goes- Nantahala water(Little Tennessee) goes to the Gulf and does not run through either Asheville (French Broad-Gulf) or Chimney Rock (Broad-Atlantic).

 

[Beau]

This is an example of either ignorance or deliberate disinformation.

It's rumormillnews, long known as a disinfo site/controlled opposition run by the CIA.

 

[Niall]

To be fair, climate is not weather, and predicting climate uses vastly different methods than predicting weather. Just because an organisation is good/bad at predicting climate does not necessarily mean they will be good/bad at predicting weather.

And Joe was referencing the data collected by the NWS after the fact, which they still do a pretty good job of.

Uhuh, and they're doing much better with climate prediction? How're them sea levels doing?!

NWS did great, but whatever collection of organizations and personalities went into making people believe Milton was going to be "a super-storm", they were all completely wrong.

Joe did online searches the day Milton was to make landfall to find out if anyone else on Earth was even skeptical that Milton's strength might be overblown.

He found no one! (Besides some of y'all here who agreed with him once he pointed it out.)

It's a safe bet that those bad at predicting what a storm is like 3 days from now are also bad at predicting future climate.

How many weather forecasters do you hear talking about, much less betting on, potential - and relatively imminent - ice age conditions?

 

[SummerLite]

This man is calling attention to the damaging disinformation on social media generated by a few people. He says the helicopter incident flying to low and causing damage was an accident by the NC Nat'l Guard when they tried to deliver generators. There was such outrage stirred up that Nat'l guard and Army details have been threatened and need escorts for deliveries which is slowing down progress.

So, these false narratives sound like an effort to stir up anger against the US Government. The government has done egregious things he says but not in this broad, overreaching manner implying a nefarious plot involving FEMA and others. It's a few pulling the strings in the background.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845103224929288330

 

[Joan]

This man is calling attention to the damaging disinformation on social media generated by a few people. He says the helicopter incident flying to low and causing damage was an accident by the NC Nat'l Guard when they tried to deliver generators. There was such outrage stirred up that Nat'l guard and Army details have been threatened and need escorts for deliveries which is slowing down progress.

So, these false narratives sound like an effort to stir up anger against the US Government. The government has done egregious things he says but not in this broad, overreaching manner implying a nefarious plot involving FEMA and others. It's a few pulling the strings in the background.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845103224929288330

Is it true!..He looks and talks like some guy from some sort of agencies which are nameless and blameless... SOCIAL MEDIA NOT REAL!

 

[SummerLite]

Is it true!

, I don't know but it could be. Really throws a twist into the story line we've been following doesn't it. He is an x military guy so maybe thats the air about him. If this is the case there will be others who say so. And he said he'd say more later. Theres deliberate anger and hate being stirred up so maybe this is another aspect of that.

 

[JEEP]

Is it true!..

I saw the vid of the helicopter wash and it was disturbing and I guess it wasn't obvious that it was the National Guard in the helo. But it wasn't long before the truth of the situation was clarified. The crew was grounded for causing the problem and the original generators delivery was completed without incident. I believe apologies were made as well.

I don't agree with this guy's take overall - he's saying to totally discount social media. Makes me think of Hillary recently saying that the narrative must be kept in check in order to maintain control. And let's face it - people are significantly waking up to the lies, deceptions, and destructive actions of our government officials, the unelected bureaucrats, the faceless controllers and their minions utilizing the lying MSM. Social media is the only outlet for real truth even if it allows for extreme deceptions itself - deceptions that may very well be the work of the ones crying "foul"! Controlled opposition is hardly anything new.

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

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Uhuh, and they're doing much better with climate prediction? How're them sea levels doing?!

Sea levels are related to long-term climate prediction, not weather. You are conflating weather and climate again. And I have never argued that sea level predictions by mainstream climate authorities have been accurate.

It's a safe bet that those bad at predicting what a storm is like 3 days from now are also bad at predicting future climate.

You’ve started with a false premise. Most weather forecasting has demonstrably improved dramatically over the last 20+ years. Hurricane/typhoon/cyclone movement and development has always been notoriously difficult to predict, and despite massive increases in computing power, it will remain so, albeit with forecasting errors gradually decreasing over time.

And even if your initial premise was correct, it still isn’t a “safe bet” that long-term prediction will be poor. Weather is far more erratic and subject to “noise” which is why predicting where a hurricane or thunderstorm will end up is much more difficult than predicting broad averages and probabilities such as the likelihood of above-average rainfall next summer using El Niño/La Niña modelling.

How many weather forecasters do you hear talking about, much less betting on, potential - and relatively imminent - ice age conditions?

Not many. But there are some (not mainstream obviously).

And if I wasn’t clear, I do not believe the anthropogenic global warmists are remotely accurate.

 

[Voyageur]

Here's part 2 - it's worth watching if you want to know what's going on (or not) on the ground. FEMA seems to be blocking everything.

Had a watch on SoTT.net, with conclusions signifying the bloated cash cow that the institution has become (perhaps as planned to become), with the ability to redirect funds wherever they want and restrict them where they are best needed at home. They even had areas carved up on maps, where analytics looked at what appeared to be the needed or unneeded (the worthy and not worthy) communities in any type of disaster relief.

Those poor people of NC, very hard.

 

[SummerLite]

I saw the vid of the helicopter wash and it was disturbing and I guess it wasn't obvious that it was the National Guard in the helo. But it wasn't long before the truth of the situation was clarified. The crew was grounded for causing the problem and the original generators delivery was completed without incident. I believe apologies were made as well.

I don't agree with this guy's take overall - he's saying to totally discount social media. Makes me think of Hillary recently saying that the narrative must be kept in check in order to maintain control. And let's face it - people are significantly waking up to the lies, deceptions, and destructive actions of our government officials, the unelected bureaucrats, the faceless controllers and their minions utilizing the lying MSM. Social media is the only outlet for real truth even if it allows for extreme deceptions itself - deceptions that may very well be the work of the ones crying "foul"! Controlled opposition is hardly anything new.

And yet here he is posting on social media . I think what he's getting at here is, there is aggression being stirred up by individuals who are targeting just regular people who work in government organizations that are just trying to do their jobs and don't have nefarious intent. FEMA is controlled by this corrupt gov. and there are some who gleefully abuse their power, going with the over all plan. Then there are others, ordinary people just trying to do the job given to them, although lacking in effectiveness in many cases, don't intend any harm.

As an example, Glen Beck stormed off to NC looking for FEMA screw ups. They finally found a FEMA truck with people setting up equipment to sign up people online for services. The FEMA people looked like retired volunteers. The conversations with the few he spoke with where cordial as they explained what they where helping to do for people. No aggression or weirdness present. Glen got back into his SUV with his crew and seemed a bit deflated. All he could say in his angry voice was they picked a spot that wasn't easily seen by people.

 

[Niall]

To be fair, climate is not weather, and predicting climate uses vastly different methods than predicting weather. Just because an organisation is good/bad at predicting climate does not necessarily mean they will be good/bad at predicting weather.

On "climate vs weather," from NOAA:

Weather reflects short-term conditions of the atmosphere while climate is the average daily weather for an extended period of time at a certain location.

If they get the "short-term conditions of the atmosphere" so wrong for something they have so much data for - indeed, data which, if interpreted correctly, as only Joe appears to have done, should tell you a day or two before Milton makes landfall, that it's barely going to be a Cat 1 hurricane - then it hardly inspires confidence in those same people telling you what "the average daily weather for an extended period of time" is definitely going to be.

 

[Joe]

To be fair, climate is not weather, and predicting climate uses vastly different methods than predicting weather. Just because an organisation is good/bad at predicting climate does not necessarily mean they will be good/bad at predicting weather.

Well, they're not very good at predicting long term climate change, and on this occasion, they weren't very good at predicting the weather. Both are an example of how emotional investment (for whatever reason) can completely derail the scientific mind.