Hyper-projection of sex in modern society.

[Nawd]

Thanks to you all!

Yes I suppose it is very common to be abused. It is terrible how many girls are abused, I think it is one in four, however it might be higher. I've actually never met a female who has NOT been abused sexually at one point or another. But somehow I tend to be drawn to people (or they drawn to me) who want to talk about detailed life things, even if I don't know them well.

There are some things I didn't understand about my life and my reactions to different things I think it is because I'm doing the EE breathing and POTS. I've been having memories I compleatly forgot about, that I suppose I have to get my head or heart around.

I too have been 'graced' (truth seeker- good way to express it.) Not to get into my 'life story,' however I have twice almost been kidnapped, but something in my 'core' told me to find a way to talk myself out of the situation, not to believe what is being said.

The first time, I was waiting for the bus after school and a man drove up in a four door white LTD (I know the model type because later I owned a yellow one just like it, which made me uneasy, and I didn't figure out why for awhile). He drove up and told me that my mom was in an accident and he needed to drive me home. I told him I have a bus ride coming and I'd be home soon enough. He drove off quickly. Obviously my mom was fine.

Then once, there was a man in the grocery store, he complimented me on my shirt (a DARE shirt, the program that teaches kids not to use drugs). He said it was a 'neat shirt.' I said thanks and then he said that I needed to come with him because he wanted to 'show me something.' I was alone in the store, and was suppose to pick up some snacks because my brother and dad were at the fair across the street. I pretended that my dad was close by, and called out to him. The guy, walked quickly away.

Anyway, I now know, being that I'm all grown up and have kids of my own, that there are some horrible people out there, and for some reason I *feel* was 'targeted' in some way, for possible sex, who knows. So I have this deep ingrained distrust program that has exactly and specifily to do with sex. However I do have a defined emotional life, but I don't exactly put sex and emotion into the same catagory. Intimacy is different for me, I love hugs and kisses, but when it gets to the raw 'sex' things, I disassociate for some sort of protection. I feel like I'm 'robbing' (not using my sexual energy correctly) myself of something great, and robbing my sweetheart of it. I can't talk to him about it anymore, it's too 'deep' for him to understand, and he thinks it's a 'woman thing,' or that I'm just overly analyzing stuff. But if I have to imagine myself NOT having sex, to have sex, there is a problem.

Just some of my thoughts. Thanks for reading all of this! :)

 

[Nawd]

Perhaps it is for pleasure, and it is for abuse (because of psychopaths who don't care how abuse effects people) and maybe it is for learning. Oh and to create offspring of course. lol

You started talking of your own experience and now you try to explain it outside your own experience, why?

We are not talking of any higher type of sexuality, we are not imagining or hypothesizing
we are simply trying to find the reason for us having sex, why do we have sex? :)

Maybe we just don't know why

 

[Alejo]

You started talking of your own experience and now you try to explain it outside your own experience, why?

We are not talking of any higher type of sexuality, we are not imagining or hypothesizing
we are simply trying to find the reason for us having sex, why do we have sex? :)

Maybe we just don't know why

sorry lol... Great observation Ana, I guess I got carried away in trying to respond to the question of whether it could be achieved without the union of physical bodies..:P sorry if I sort of went too off topic there..

 

[Faith]

I'd say 'increased physicality' is the desired effect of having sex: Increased masculinity and femininity in terms of self-increasing. But it surely is something that can also be shared. I believe there are two ways of having sex: The subjective and internal considering, rather common and self-serving way and the rather rare, objective or external considering one, which serves the two 'symbiotic selves', so to speak... or the one symbiotic self, that consits of two halfes, if you will. This second way depends of course on ones current state of development. I must admit, that this considering already disturbs my desire for having sex the easy way. The self-serving way seems to not satisfy me any longer, or at least it started to fade, especially when I try to regard it consciously. Dealing with this gets more and more difficult, the more conscious I am, it seems. I mean -- hello? How many objective lovers are there?

:/ Oh and: Do we need 'increased physicality'? Do we depend on it? Hm... hmm...

EDIT: added a few things :P

 

[Adaryn]

we are simply trying to find the reason for us having sex, why do we have sex?

It depends whether you're a man or a woman, I guess. :)
In Women who Love Psychopaths, the author explain that sex is a way to bond for women. It's a very real, chemical process – the same that makes a mother bond to her baby:

Psychopaths are highly sexual. Since they are attractive both physically (with their masculine testosterone) and emotionally (with their verbal sharing), they don’t have trouble getting women to have sex with them—often within hours of the first meeting. Many women say they were shocked how quickly they had sex with the psychopath—violating their own normal standard set for sexual practices. Both an “almost animalistic attraction” and “a sensing she intimately knew him” seemed to fuel her rapid sense of attachment to him.
Sex kick-starts the premature bonding process. The touching and sexual stimulation seals the love bond. The stimulation of the vagina and cervix during sex causes the release of the hormones prolactin and oxytocin. These hormones travel to the bonding centers of the brain and produce an emotional and hormonal attachment to the man. The importance of these hormones in female at- tachment is these are the exact hormones produced in pregnancy and nursing. They are responsible for a woman’s ability to bond to babies! The more sex she has with the psychopath, the more these attachment hormones are released, and the more bonded she feels to the psychopath. This isn’t merely the cuddling of love making. This is a biochemical process occurring in her body and brain increasing her sense of attachment...but tragically, to a psychopath! These are the hormones of moth- erhood attachment. Just like motherly love is unconditional, a sexual bond is also uncondi- tional. She will find out just what it will cost her to have this intense unconditional attachment and love bond to a psychopath.

Many women recognized that intense sex contributed to the love they felt for the psychopath. Many also indicated they thought this feeling was mutual.
“Sex with him was the best part of my life. I bonded more with him than any other human being on this planet. We fit together so right. We merged together as one. I have never had this before. I know he felt it too. “
“He was so completely captivated by how our sex drives were identical. He said he had never felt that about anybody and how we were completely different from anything he had experienced.”
Women also felt the intensity of the attraction between them. Some women seemed to think that the intensity of attraction had something to do with the quality of the selection of him. We have to teach women that this intensity does not necessarily mean anything important.

A sign that feelings of intensity, connection and "being merged as one" don't necessarily have anyhing to do with real love! I suppose that's another evidence that our senses can greatly mislead us. And the psychopath uses that bonding process, that need for "intense connexion" to his advantage.


I was wondering if this extract from a session might be a clue, if read in the light of the above extract:

(L) Now, I was just reading in "Bringers of the Dawn"
about male energy and female energy and it says: "We have
said that the male vibration will transform in a very
short period of time. We will not tell you why or how
because some of you will consider it to be entirely too
ominous, however, we will say that as the waves continue
to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness
within the population. At a certain point, when men are
in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling
center will be activated. This will either occur gently
or it will be blown wide open." What will be "entirely
too ominous?"
A: Energy redirection.
Q: (L) Energy direction is going to happen and that is what
you are saying is the ominous thing here?
A: Overview.
Q: (L) Well, what does energy direction specifically mean?
What kind of energy?
A: Sexual.
Q: (L) And this is going to be the ominous event that would
frighten people?
A: Repercussions.
Q: (L) What are the repercussions?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Could you tell us some of them?
A: First you must figure out answer to number one.
Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean women
will stop having sex with men?
A: Not exactly.
Q: (L) Am I close?
A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more
spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the
root of most of the historical aggression and lack of
feeling on the part of the male. ...

Psychopathic influence, maybe? Since the psychopath is know for having a very high sex drive.

Q: (L) I noticed that at about the same time I began
meditating heavily that my drive plummeted. Is this
because of the meditation?
A: Yes. Females will lose some drive too. But how will
humans react to this, that is the question. Will they be
prepared?
Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody is going to lose
interest in sex?
A: Will have much less and must learn to relate to each other
more spiritually.
Q: (L) Is this because one of the major drives of the human
being is for contact and, up to now, this has been
manifested through sexual union and without the sexual
urge they will be forced to find other ways to relate?
A: One would hope so. You are all moving toward 4th level
which is less physical thus you must learn this existence
in order to pass through into the 4th level.
Q: (L) And those who do not learn will not pass, is that
correct?
A: Yes. Some will be relieved. It depends upon how advanced
one is.

They say males will lose most of their drive and women will lose some, but it doesn't exactly mean that they'll stop having sex.
It seems to me that what might disappear is the psychopathic aspect of sex that has influenced men for millenia: the aggressive, dominating aspect, used to subjugate and control women.
My impression from this extract is that men will lose their instinct to dominate and control -- and will learn to care for and connect to women in a less "sexual", more nurturing and feeling way – a more "feminine" way.

Intimacy is different for me, I love hugs and kisses, but when it gets to the raw 'sex' things, I disassociate for some sort of protection.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that "raw sex things' are mostly a male thing (porn is for men mainly, right?).
I believe that for most (reasonably normal) women, emotion and feelings are what count, not sex per se, which anyway is a way to attach emotionally to men.
If man loses his drive, he hopefully will re-learn (pre-Saharasia society?) to relate to women in a respectful and caring way. Maybe I should rather use the terms "male energy" /"feminine energy" instead of men/women, 'cause a woman can have more predominant male energies, and vice versa.
Hope I'm not digressing too much here…

 

[Faith]

Hey, Lúthien :)

Very interesting post. I have to give it some thought. This post somehow hooked me.

 

[luke wilson]

Why do I have sex?

Well, hmm, first of all, I dont have sex, nor have I ever had sex. I know, shocking. However, this doesnt mean I dont think about sex. Sometimes I ask myself, why do you want to have sex? Is it just about the sex part itself or is it about getting closer to someone? Well for me right now in my life it's more the former. It's about just experiencing it and just saying, 'yah been there done that.' It's like, 'you are now in your early 20's and there are certain things you must have done, sex being one of them.'

So i'd put it down to physical desire. But interestingly, I found myself in a very curious situation acouple of weeks ago when I met a girl that seemed to actually like me in that way( a physical way) and for the first time in my life, I had a girl actually flat out hit on me continuosly for acouple of weeks.. Well my friends were like, 'omg Luke are you blind? can you not see she likes you, do something this is your chance, Capitalize on the situation!!!' I have never actually been egged on and told to man up to such a high level of degree before. I should mention that I didnt 'like her that way' but as one of my friends put it to me 'what does like have to do with anything? You're always going on about how you have zero experience with the opposite sex, well this is your chance.'

But, I didnt do anything. Mainly because of fear(or so I thought), fear of entering the unknown whatever that was. So now that I blew that chance and it's gone, I thought to myself 'You spend alot of time thinking and hoping to get a girlfriend, be in a relationship, have sex etc etc and when the opportunity arises you essentially dont follow through - more like you consciously sabotage your own chances.' Why is this? I am sure there are some deep hidden pyschological reasons for this.

For me, I had a moment of absolute clarity as a result of thinking about this experience. I am not going to settle for anything less than my soul mate. Yes, I believe you guys call them polar opposites. Why? Because I have no desire for anyone else apart from her. People say, such a thing doesnt exist, you shouldnt waste your time thinking about this, you're going to be very dissappointed. This is true and I suppose it is a risk thinking about this but if there was a risk worth taking, then surely this is it. I know that even if one ever crosses paths with there 'soul-mate' there is no gurantee that you would even speak to each other or that you would develop any kind of relationship whatsoever but you know what 'whatever will come to be will come to be.' I cant step into the future and say with absolute certainty that this or that will happen but I can only hope, not only to meet her, but to be ready for her when I do. I'd hate to meet her, then sabotage the whole situation or worse yet, get her to hate me. That would suck.

So for me, why do I think about sex? Well, mainly because I suppose it is hard-coded into my dna, but that doesnt mean that I am going to just sleep with anyone... It now becomes a matter of discerning between true genuine unconditional love from the rather temporary romantic love we are taught to believe in nowadays. Atleast that is how I see it.

A very interesting question i'd like to ask even though it is abit off-topic. Is it possible for two people to be soul-mates and essentially not recognise this in each other. Not necessarily know they are soul-mates(this is essentially impossible?) but recognise that there is some sort of connection/bond that is not entirely what one would classify as 'normal.' For example lets say, if one person is awake and the other is not or if both are still asleep because as far as I know the whole thing was only designed to function in a free world state i.e. not in a world where people are asleep and under the control of programmes...

 

[Mrs. Peel]

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But, I didnt do anything. Mainly because of fear(or so I thought), fear of entering the unknown whatever that was. So now that I blew that chance and it's gone, I thought to myself 'You spend alot of time thinking and hoping to get a girlfriend, be in a relationship, have sex etc etc and when the opportunity arises you essentially dont follow through - more like you consciously sabotage your own chances.' Why is this? I am sure there are some deep hidden pyschological reasons for this.

Did you know that when you have sex with somebody, you are taking on their energy and energy from everybody else that person has had sex with. Do you really want that? All these hormoned-up folks sleeping around willy-nilly acquiring who knows how many attachments...

For me, I had a moment of absolute clarity as a result of thinking about this experience. I am not going to settle for anything less than my soul mate. Yes, I believe you guys call them polar opposites. Why? Because I have no desire for anyone else apart from her. People say, such a thing doesnt exist, you shouldnt waste your time thinking about this, you're going to be very dissappointed. This is true and I suppose it is a risk thinking about this but if there was a risk worth taking, then surely this is it. I know that even if one ever crosses paths with there 'soul-mate' there is no gurantee that you would even speak to each other or that you would develop any kind of relationship whatsoever but you know what 'whatever will come to be will come to be.' I cant step into the future and say with absolute certainty that this or that will happen but I can only hope, not only to meet her, but to be ready for her when I do. I'd hate to meet her, then sabotage the whole situation or worse yet, get her to hate me. That would suck.

So for me, why do I think about sex? Well, mainly because I suppose it is hard-coded into my dna, but that doesnt mean that I am going to just sleep with anyone... It now becomes a matter of discerning between true genuine unconditional love from the rather temporary romantic love we are taught to believe in nowadays. Atleast that is how I see it.

I think you are starting to see it quite clearly...

 

[meta-agnostic]

I can relate to luke's posts. And my sincere sympathies for those of you who have suffered abuse and it still impacts your relationships to this day. I can hardly say I was "abused" (that I know of) but there are a few instances of uncomfortable/inappropriate interactions with peers at a young age that, when I think about it, left me scarred in ways I've been mostly in denial about for most of my life. Oh well, they certainly weren't the worst of traumas considering and without them I may never have ended up here on the Truth Seeker Path, right?

For me it has become not so much about sex per se, but about a need for intimacy combined with the biological need for sexual release from time to time and how to work all of this out with a person I could consider a partner in future endeavors, should I be so lucky as to find her and her me. That would be nice enough by itself but generally not the type of thing one can induce to happen on some sort of truncated timeframe. We saw an apparent result of that sort of thing a few C sessions back although I'm sure that was a particularly negative example and with the right frame of mind it could be handled a better way.

With that in mind, as we are all aware, things continue to heat up on the BBM and we all really have no idea of the specifics of what is in store for the next week, month, and so on. I've been struggling with a plan for myself, when to get out of this megalopolis urban area and head for "safer" ground...or should I wait it out and see if there is some necessary action for me to perform when TS really HTF as could happen just about any day now. I'm as prepared as I think I can be to move on to another density if it's my time, but continuing to fight this one out is seeming more and more pointless to me if it's just going to be me and possibly my extended family of origin and/or my various married-off friends around the country, none of whom I really feel I could start building a future community with as a single guy unless things were already under way and all bets were off. It seems like now is a prime time to position ourselves for where we need to be in order to ride out whatever rough times await us, I'm just having trouble finding the motivation for it if it's just going to be me all alone or the odd-numbered wheel in any of several instances.

Just a few thoughts that I hope relate to what we're trying to get at here. Maybe this would have been more appropriate for the "why are you single" thread.

 

[Turgon]

They say males will lose most of their drive and women will lose some, but it doesn't exactly mean that they'll stop having sex.
It seems to me that what might disappear is the psychopathic aspect of sex that has influenced men for millenia: the aggressive, dominating aspect, used to subjugate and control women.
My impression from this extract is that men will lose their instinct to dominate and control -- and will learn to care for and connect to women in a less "sexual", more nurturing and feeling way – a more "feminine" way.

So men cultivate their emotions more, whereas women will start to become more active, assertive in relationships, so to speak. In essence, women start getting in touch with their masculine side and men with their feminine side? Not exactly a role reversal but something more shared. Instead of having a relationship where the women is known as the emotional one who is sensitive and nurturing and men are the assertive, decision-makers, both work on all aspects together. Men will eventually start relating to women from a more emotional standpoint and women will start relating to men from a more 'active' standpoint. (I use active because I'm thinking about Gurdjieff's description of Active (Male), Passive (Female) mentations.)

Is this pretty much an alchemical process? Like the whole process of transmuting the energies from the different centres... this seems similar to the whole concept of the different centres and one using the energies from the others. I would think that this process of 'shared roles' would then prevent what I would assume is the lower intellectual centre stealing sexual energy (which would cause sexual fantasies/focusing on sex, getting sex - which is all anticipatory, draconian thinking) and utilizing it to get in-touch with and form real connections with ourselves and with relationship partners - which in turn would help manifest a co-linear/spiritually progressive relationship, osit. :/

Edit - Even though it's more complex, energy compensation is key isn't it? Redirecting what your focusing on at any given moment...

 

[Turgon]

Did you know that when you have sex with somebody, you are taking on their energy and energy from everybody else that person has had sex with. Do you really want that? All these hormoned-up folks sleeping around willy-nilly acquiring who knows how many attachments...

Seriously?!

 

[Guardian]

Seriously?!

You carry with you the energy signatures/attachments from everything you've experianced, unless you've gone to great lengths to intentionally sever them...one by one, in meticulous and most often painful detail.

Why would sexual encounters be exempt?

 

[Turgon]

Seriously?!

You carry with you the energy signatures/attachments from everything you've experianced, unless you've gone to great lengths to intentionally sever them...one by one, in meticulous and most often painful detail.

Why would sexual encounters be exempt?

I'm not disputing the potential for attachments and energy transfers to occur during sexual encounters. I've got a good grasp as to how sex is utilized for 4d and energetic purposes. What boggles me is this idea that we not only have to contend with whatever transfers occurred with our partners but THEIR former partners as well??

That sounds like some type of ripple/amplication effect, which means we have to be extra careful not only engaging in intimate relationships, but also need to take into consideration who their former partners were as well.

 

[Buddy]

You carry with you the energy signatures/attachments from everything you've experianced, unless you've gone to great lengths to intentionally sever them...one by one, in meticulous and most often painful detail.

I would like to read more about this from the 'attachment' angle. Preferably something that also includes info on 'severance' techniques. Is there a good source someone can point me to?

 

[meta-agnostic]

I read somewhere else that when you have sex with someone you take on energy from everyone they have had sex with in the past nine months. I can't remember the exact source but it was from another message board. Does this sound any more likely than taking on energy from anyone that person has ever had sex with, ever?