Hyper-projection of sex in modern society.
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ana
The Living Force
Wuoh Ana, that's deep! I really don't think, SEX per se is something bad and I guess, it would be fatal if I tried to regard it that way -- It's something natural, stimulating and beautiful, if it's practiced with the right one (but only in a 3d-sts-enviroment -- I give you that) But I cannot imagine how it would be like to be free from physical craving, at least not yet. :/ Allthough... I must admit: There were times when I imagined a new substance, that could immunize me temporarily, so that I could focus on my work, on the things that are more important to me -- work without any disturbance. Hmm, now that I think about it: One part in me seems to feel distracted and disturbed when something makes me ruttish. However Sex is definitely way too dominant in our society -- That's for sure. It's something out of controll, something that should be controlled -- smaller doses and a more conscious use, so to speak. Ok, ok,... I got your point, I think. :/
Whatever happens, happens! If suddenly something freed me from this physical addiction, I could perfectly focus on my work. Hmm... So it probably would be something I could get used to. However... we'll see :P
EDIT: 'per se'
truth seeker
The Living Force
Nienna Eluch said:
Thanks much for pointing this out Nienna. :) Like you, I do see intimacy as being very different from sexual acts. What I meant to say was that I have had very little interest in sex.
truth seeker
The Living Force
Dawn said:
Yes, I have felt this way for a good part of my life. What I find interesting is that whenever I have a conversation with my partner that involves sharing feelings, I don't have as much of a problem having sex. So basically when I feel heard/understood, I can give of myself in that way.
What I currently think in terms of what I bolded above is that there are a lot of sick individuals (meaning those who would abuse children). Like you, I think that this occurs more often than not (most people I know have at least one experience about this they can share). Because of the frequency in which sexual abuse occurs (in every sense of the term - overt, covert, media), I would think that there is no specific target.
That being said, I think that those of us who internalize the feelings that occur when these situations happen start to anticipate that they will happen again and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
I once met a woman who was very skittish. I later found out that she had been raped several times (I'm under the assumption that it was by different people/different occasions). Because of the way she acted in the "safety" of her own home, I knew that it was likely that she might go through this again. It was as if her fear and anticipation was attracting the very types of people she wanted to avoid. It's the same as what happens with people who are bullied quite often. So in short, I don't think that you have been targeted in this manner, but rather because of the feeling that you were (targeted), it has attracted those who seek to exploit. Hope that makes sense. :)
ana
The Living Force
need-another-nick said:
:/ Allthough... I must admit: There were times when I imagined a new substance, that could immunize me temporarily, so that I could focus on my work, on the things that are more important to me -- work without any disturbance. Hmm, now that I think about it: One part in me seems to feel distracted and disturbed when something makes me ruttish. However Sex is definitely way too dominant in our society -- That's for sure. It's something out of controll, something that should be controlled -- smaller doses and a more conscious use, so to speak. Ok, ok,... I got your point, I think. :/
Whatever happens, happens! If suddenly something freed me from this physical addiction, I could perfectly focus on my work. Hmm... So it probably would be something I could get used to. However... we'll see :P
EDIT: 'per se'
Sex is not something bad per se, just a physical craving, wich means is a condition inherent to the physical not necessary for the soul/spirit.
Furthermore they are not saying that it needs to be canceled inmediatly, just that as one learn lessons and his soul grows ready to another levels of existence sex will gradually be disappearing in favor of a spiritual life increasingly less caught in the passions of matter, osit :)
Nawd
Dagobah Resident
Thank you truth seeker, for your insightful post.
I do think you are correct about self fulfilling the same fears I'm (or people in general are) trying to avoid. It reminds me of a post about how one carries themselves in order to avoid dangerous people. I'll have to look it up.
I actually got into several different types of martial arts so that I could build up my self confidence, posture, and 'looking like a victim.' Learning to defend myself hasn't improved the trust issues I have with people, but it hasn't hurt any because I know I can defend myself if need be.
I do think you are correct about self fulfilling the same fears I'm (or people in general are) trying to avoid. It reminds me of a post about how one carries themselves in order to avoid dangerous people. I'll have to look it up.
I actually got into several different types of martial arts so that I could build up my self confidence, posture, and 'looking like a victim.' Learning to defend myself hasn't improved the trust issues I have with people, but it hasn't hurt any because I know I can defend myself if need be.
truth seeker said:
luke wilson
The Living Force
What about, if in the pursuit of this spirituality one denies there partner sex, the reason cited being, 'I want to concentrate on the spiritual, not the physical.' Let us assume that in this case both are not seeking sex as a means of possession of the other person or using the other person for self gratification but just an innocent desire to 'make love as it were.' - to be together in a physical way. But one partner constantly denies the other this maybe because they think it'll hinder there own personal spiritual growth. Can this be seen as acting in an STS way? Also if this partner, lets say gives in and 'sacrifices' his perceived spiritual growth by having sex with his/her lover so as to not neglect them or there love, then in a wicked twist of events this might be seen as an act of STO?? I know the logic is flawed in there somewhere, please point out the mistake, anyone - there is no way having sex can be an STO thing regardless of any situation - right?! Maybe sex in its purest form surpasses both STOness and STSness...?
What I am getting at, even if sex, is done in a physical way, surely there is more that goes on than just physical chemistry, surely the souls of the individuals must interact someway. So sex is not entirely a physical thing, there is also abit of spiritualism going on??? [Does that sound right?] I think in some of the transcripts the c's and maybe Ra talks about all kinds of energies being transmuted through this physical act so yah am pretty sure it is more than just physical. Is it possible that it serves a greater spiritual purpose than a physical one and maybe the female energy that was lead astray by the lizzies before the fall thought that by seeking out more physicality in experiencing 'sex' they would grow spiritually? So in short, as a tool for greater spiritual growth or spiritual learning be it through increased physicality. Obviously they were unaware that a trap had been set and 'sex' was just the bait (Abit speculative but I wonder if that makes sense)
Is it possible that when sexual drive goes down and men start pursuing more spritual matters as is written on the posted C transcript, then in some cases, this could enhance STS-ness in that this pursuit of spiritualism might be for example used as a means to serve the self and maybe in such a case denying ones partner sex could result as a source of food, from all the negative energies that will arise...
Maybe ultimate etherialism/spirituality is not necessarily a good thing, maybe a good balance between physicality and spiritualism is a much more optimal condition as compared to being on either extreme of these 2 states....
Obviously it goes without saying, that sex for the purpose of sex with just anyone can be detrimental and one can walk away with all sorts of attachments as mentioned before on this thread. The 2 partners I am referring to in my hypothetical situation are ones with a mutual understanding, complimentary frequencies, paired-souls, in love etc etc
Hmm, now that i think of it, sex might not dissappear as people get more and more concerned about spirituality. It might just transform. It appears to me the desire between female and male energies are a fundamental part of nature (dare I say something greater/more than just a physical craving). So it might not dissappear, it might just transform i.e. the factors under-pinning the desires eg self-gratification, possession might simply change/transform into something else but sex the act itself will remain atleast whilst we can still experience abit of physicality be it here or 4D, be it STO or STS....
Just my thoughts.
luke wilson said:
Absolutely. It's inner considering.
If one partner simply "gives in", while still harboring thoughts that sex is an evil, STS behavior, I don't think it's STO. STO would be giving what is asked, without expectation of reward. I think sex in its "purest form" is STO, but of course, most attitudes to sex are wholly STS. I posted an excerpt from Dabrowski on "levels" of sex here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4104.msg56646#msg56646
I think he makes some good points, but I also think that at the highest level of love, there is probably a physical aspect as well. It's just that the attitudes and intentions behind it are totally different than those that usually govern sexual behavior.
I'd say it can be, but isn't necessarily so. If there is an exchange of energies, one partner can be the one feeding, and one can be drained.
Well, we have to keep in mind that we are physical at this density, and even in 4th density. The ethereal densities are 5, 6, and 7.
I think that makes sense.
Nathancat7
Jedi Master
I think this subject has been well covered, both in the posts and in the material posted here. I find that when I am working very mechanically and physically I become unhappy and think about sex a lot, and EE really helps me focus less on the physical. I do think masturbation can result in attachments though.
Also sexual energy is always involved in intimacy--intimacy which intimates a less physical expression of sex.
Why do I have sex?
Because I am a rather physical person I am learning to focus on using my sexual energy in a more proper way and focus less on the physical. Because really, right now, I don't deseve to be with my soul-mate. I'm not being difficult with myself :), I just think something have to be earned--and I'm not talking about sex--as a reward for sacrifice. It is just that for that to happen I have to learn how to work with sexual energy in STO, particularly on an emotional level.
So I am not holding out here, or at least I'd rather not; it's just that if soul-mates do exist--in what way would she mirror me. Would she be married and have kids? Would she be locked in an insane asylum?
My first girlfriend was very pretty and a nice person. I was 17-18, we never had sex but we were always fooling around--mostly because I couldn't get a condom. But I just felt we didn't love each other, and I hated myself for my physical urges and also suffered from depression with no idea how to work out of it. There is something messed up about it. She'd sleep-over sometimes and I remember just hating her-despising her and despising the proximity of our bodies. At one point I finally found a condom--it was under the bed (brother had given it before I met her and I had forgotten) and I made a bed in the van. It was cold outside. Our bikes had spiked screws in them to grab the ice. I took my bike and a spare in the other hand and rode over to her house. We rode back together to the van--about two miles. We got naked under the covers and there was a moment of such--like love washing over me--and J. said "I think you had better put on the condom." It had ice all over it and the the shock--both from embarrassment and cold put an end to it. It may seem like a funny story, but I don't think it is--because I think it was an expression of anger on my part. But it was good what happened also, because we weren't relating, or at least I wasn't, an a healthy way.
I met a kid in New York and we went to NY City and stayed at his parents place and I think I remember him talking about this very subject of soul-mates (or maybe it was another time) and I thought--oh great, he's trying to be profound. But that night, sharing his room as we were going to sleep--I looked over at him and couldn't stop grinning. Now I wasn't interested in anything physical--although I can't deny that there might have been some kind of subconscious power play going on--I was just reveling in the intimacy of sharing a room. But it really disturbed him and I started laughing at that and he made me sleep in another room. And I felt I destroyed the friendship. Part of why this happened was because, even though I am/was heterosexual, I opened up emotionally more easily to men than women--and the resulting imbalance caused me to be a bit disturbed.
I hope this post makes a little sense.
Also sexual energy is always involved in intimacy--intimacy which intimates a less physical expression of sex.
Why do I have sex?
Because I am a rather physical person I am learning to focus on using my sexual energy in a more proper way and focus less on the physical. Because really, right now, I don't deseve to be with my soul-mate. I'm not being difficult with myself :), I just think something have to be earned--and I'm not talking about sex--as a reward for sacrifice. It is just that for that to happen I have to learn how to work with sexual energy in STO, particularly on an emotional level.
So I am not holding out here, or at least I'd rather not; it's just that if soul-mates do exist--in what way would she mirror me. Would she be married and have kids? Would she be locked in an insane asylum?
My first girlfriend was very pretty and a nice person. I was 17-18, we never had sex but we were always fooling around--mostly because I couldn't get a condom. But I just felt we didn't love each other, and I hated myself for my physical urges and also suffered from depression with no idea how to work out of it. There is something messed up about it. She'd sleep-over sometimes and I remember just hating her-despising her and despising the proximity of our bodies. At one point I finally found a condom--it was under the bed (brother had given it before I met her and I had forgotten) and I made a bed in the van. It was cold outside. Our bikes had spiked screws in them to grab the ice. I took my bike and a spare in the other hand and rode over to her house. We rode back together to the van--about two miles. We got naked under the covers and there was a moment of such--like love washing over me--and J. said "I think you had better put on the condom." It had ice all over it and the the shock--both from embarrassment and cold put an end to it. It may seem like a funny story, but I don't think it is--because I think it was an expression of anger on my part. But it was good what happened also, because we weren't relating, or at least I wasn't, an a healthy way.
I met a kid in New York and we went to NY City and stayed at his parents place and I think I remember him talking about this very subject of soul-mates (or maybe it was another time) and I thought--oh great, he's trying to be profound. But that night, sharing his room as we were going to sleep--I looked over at him and couldn't stop grinning. Now I wasn't interested in anything physical--although I can't deny that there might have been some kind of subconscious power play going on--I was just reveling in the intimacy of sharing a room. But it really disturbed him and I started laughing at that and he made me sleep in another room. And I felt I destroyed the friendship. Part of why this happened was because, even though I am/was heterosexual, I opened up emotionally more easily to men than women--and the resulting imbalance caused me to be a bit disturbed.
I hope this post makes a little sense.
