Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT): General information and discussion of Home Units
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I think I may have a difficult time convincing a doctor to write me a prescription for one, but I shall endeavor!
dredger
The Living Force
I had an interesting discussion with my uncle today (kinda my mentor in summary, he's retired biologist)
I retained 2 main topics :
1 - HOCATT
I discussed about HBOT, and he told me that in the current treatment he's experiencing (he goes each month to a specialist Dr here in Belgium, around Brussel), he does sessions of ... you can litterally translate this to "Ozone sauna", and it's done through a device i never heard before which looks like the magic all-in-one device. It's named HOCATT.
Here's the page of the website of the Dr he goes : Sauna HOCATT | Dr Schmitz
And here are 2 pages with english explanations :
www.rejuvawellness.org
I do not have the knowledge to compare the results (at least on paper) with HBOT, but this multi-purpose tool includes other "methods" or technologies that gave it broader uses. Compared to HBOT this tool rather uses the ozone (O3) instead of Oxygen (O2). Nevertheless, such device is probably quite more expensive than the HBOT, but i wanted to list it here as some may be interrested in learning more about.
2 - Samozdrav ventilator
He bought it a few months before and he's currently in Phase 3. It's a cheap tool that allow you to rectify (usually raise) your CO2 level in one's blood up to normal wich is between 6 to 6,5%. Before he started to use it, he was around 4,5%, and he's now around 5,8% after 2 or 3 months he's doing the protocol (if i well remember)
It's sold in France, it's name is Samozdrav ventilator :
www.quant-essence.fr
(i posted the post before i finished ... i'm editing to complete, i have 9m left )
There's a small book which is free to download on the page, but it's badly translated from RU to FR, here's the link :
samozdrav-fr.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FR-Livre-Sortir-impasse-WEB.pdf
I read a good 1/2 of it this last hours.
I searched for the original RU one, or in fact, i found 2 books, but difficult to understand and search using russian alphabet, here are 2 links :
The original book :
One other i found :
In summary, what is the benefit, at least from what i understood is that it help to restore one's level of CO2 in the blood, which enhance its circulation, thus, the oxygenation.
I retained 2 main topics :
1 - HOCATT
I discussed about HBOT, and he told me that in the current treatment he's experiencing (he goes each month to a specialist Dr here in Belgium, around Brussel), he does sessions of ... you can litterally translate this to "Ozone sauna", and it's done through a device i never heard before which looks like the magic all-in-one device. It's named HOCATT.
Here's the page of the website of the Dr he goes : Sauna HOCATT | Dr Schmitz
And here are 2 pages with english explanations :
HOCATT | Rejuva Wellness
HOCATT ™ - Natural Therapy Treatment in the Greater Phoenix Area
The HOCATT is a natural therapy modality that uses ground breaking technology to help reduce pain by combining multiple technologies into one modality.
natpaintreat.com
I do not have the knowledge to compare the results (at least on paper) with HBOT, but this multi-purpose tool includes other "methods" or technologies that gave it broader uses. Compared to HBOT this tool rather uses the ozone (O3) instead of Oxygen (O2). Nevertheless, such device is probably quite more expensive than the HBOT, but i wanted to list it here as some may be interrested in learning more about.
2 - Samozdrav ventilator
He bought it a few months before and he's currently in Phase 3. It's a cheap tool that allow you to rectify (usually raise) your CO2 level in one's blood up to normal wich is between 6 to 6,5%. Before he started to use it, he was around 4,5%, and he's now around 5,8% after 2 or 3 months he's doing the protocol (if i well remember)
It's sold in France, it's name is Samozdrav ventilator :
Respirateur Samozdrav - appareil d’entraînement respiratoire
L’appareil d’entraînement respiratoire « Samozdrav » est conçu pour créer un milieu respiratoire actif avec un taux d’oxygène plus bas et un taux de CO2 plus haut.
(i posted the post before i finished ... i'm editing to complete, i have 9m left )
There's a small book which is free to download on the page, but it's badly translated from RU to FR, here's the link :
samozdrav-fr.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FR-Livre-Sortir-impasse-WEB.pdf
I read a good 1/2 of it this last hours.
I searched for the original RU one, or in fact, i found 2 books, but difficult to understand and search using russian alphabet, here are 2 links :
The original book :
One other i found :
In summary, what is the benefit, at least from what i understood is that it help to restore one's level of CO2 in the blood, which enhance its circulation, thus, the oxygenation.
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dredger
The Living Force
Following my previous post, here's an auto-translated from RU to EN book, but it contains visual glitches in some boxes. - i attached it to the post.
Also, if you want to read directly in english the french page of the vendor, click on the following link (auto-translate from fr to english)
This could be an interresting good addition to all the knowledge surrounding the HBOT topic and the more general topic of "Oxygen". This tool is rather low cost, less than 100€.
There are a couple of video i have to watch from the vender's site, and by searching on "Samozdrav" on youtube i ifound some in english.
That's all - sorry for the 2x posts, miss-typed on first which induced the posting, then i did not had time to finish to edit
Also, if you want to read directly in english the french page of the vendor, click on the following link (auto-translate from fr to english)
This could be an interresting good addition to all the knowledge surrounding the HBOT topic and the more general topic of "Oxygen". This tool is rather low cost, less than 100€.
There are a couple of video i have to watch from the vender's site, and by searching on "Samozdrav" on youtube i ifound some in english.
That's all - sorry for the 2x posts, miss-typed on first which induced the posting, then i did not had time to finish to edit
Wandering Star
The Living Force
About 15 years ago I practiced recreational diving.
I only did a dive to about 20 meters deep, in which there are about three BAR or atmospheres of pressure.
With decompression times to return to the surface safely, the dive lasted about 50 minutes.
The curious thing that happened to me is that after the immersion the fungi that I had on my back died. I had them since my childhood and I had not been successful with any treatment to get rid of them permanently.
Coming to the surface they shed from my skin like dead skin.
It was very incredible, so I think that the use of the hyperbaric chamber can be very useful.
I only did a dive to about 20 meters deep, in which there are about three BAR or atmospheres of pressure.
With decompression times to return to the surface safely, the dive lasted about 50 minutes.
The curious thing that happened to me is that after the immersion the fungi that I had on my back died. I had them since my childhood and I had not been successful with any treatment to get rid of them permanently.
Coming to the surface they shed from my skin like dead skin.
It was very incredible, so I think that the use of the hyperbaric chamber can be very useful.
Thor’s Pantheon
The Force is Strong With This One
Hello,
I assume that you have read the first post in this thread. S Size ST702 Lying Hyperbaric Chamber，Portable Mhbot Mild Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber | MACY-PAN
You could probably reach out to this company and see if they have the same policy as Alibaba. They have CHAT and E-Mail support.
Ask them if they ship to the US and if they have any feedback or advice perhaps? Is US customs the roadblock, for example ? What is their company "policy"?
As far as the actual product is concerned, what intrigues me is that it is specified as 1.5 atmospheres. Pretty well the highest you can purchase in a soft shell format. And I do not buy into the meme that products manufactured in Asia always of a low quality. I-Phones are made there as one example. Just depends on the manufacturer IMO.
In my research, US manufacturers have to abide by the 1.3 atmospheric pressure regulation, and the units are just a pricey as other options. I watched a video that stated any unit that is under 1.4 atmospheres is not considered HBOT.
Good luck.
tykes
Jedi Master
That’s wonderful Windmill Knight! Is in Mexico City right?I'm very excited because Yas and I just came back from a scouting mission and it turns out that there's a government-sponsored, very large and professional hyperbaric chamber open to the public 20 minutes away from where we live, and the sessions are also quite cheap!
Here are a couple of pictures:
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We spoke with the doctor about Yas taking some sessions first, since she does have some health issues that need to be taken care of, and he sounded very knowledgeable but flexible as well. We were concerned that we would be met with bureaucratic blocks that would not let us make use of it, but apparently you just need a check up by the doc so he can see you aren't among the few people for whom it's counter-indicated, he needs to know about your condition, and you're good to go. Towards the end of our chat I asked him if they also had sportsmen, or if it was strictly for people with some illness, and he said they had had professional boxers and tri-athletes, etc. So I asked if I could do it too - that I didn't really have any illness, except for some mild occasional pains here and there, and he said it was ok!
He stresses that you must have at least 10 sessions in a row. If you need more, after the first 10 you are reassessed.
Regarding prices. He explained that a social worker checks your individual socio-economic situation and decides how much to charge based on that. There are three tiers:
1. 355 pesos per session (17 US dollars!)
2. 1200 pesos (58.60 USD)
3. 1800 pesos (88 USD)
But that they always try to give the cheaper price to everyone, so almost everyone pays tier 1 anyway!
Overall I found him very professional. He explained that the usual pressure they use is 2 ATA, but that for neurological conditions they use less pressure (which is consistent with what we've read in the articles). That you are constantly monitored during the session, and if you aren't feeling well, they can get you out half way through the session, since they have an ante-chamber (or that's what I understood). They also check you every session before and afterwards to see that your vitals are all good.
The chamber is not usually used to max capacity. It fits 12 people but today they had only six. He wants to promote it, because local people don't go in there much, but he does have patients being referred from hospitals in other towns and even from abroad (*hint*). And also because the government is thinking of taking teh chamber away to an oil rig. So before they do that, we plan to make use of it.
Yas may think of other interesting things to add to this report. For now, as I told the doctor, it seems to me a genuine miracle that there is one such thing right there, very accessible and affordable to us - especially because there are at least two people among us who could really benefit from it! We'll report again once we have the actual experience.
The prices are very affordable, and the location near your place certainly sounds miraculous, it’s a shame that it could be closed.
I hope you (and specially Yas because of her conditions) can benefit greatly. Thanks for the discovery, I’ll be eager to know about your experiences there.
Other than what you mentioned, I was impressed to see that this doctor seems to know about the anti-inflammatory effects of hyperbaric chamber treatment for other conditions, such as rheumatoid arthritis, and for other 'idiopathic' diseases. However, I doubt that he will allow the 40 sessions needed because he didn't think that many were necessary, so we'll see about that. We might have to show him some of the research we can find about it and discuss it with him.
Another thing is that I asked him about the 'air breaks', and he said they don't use masks inside the chamber but special helmets for you to breathe oxygen. They control the oxygen in those helmets from outside.
And the other thing I can report is that they don't allow you to bring anything inside the chamber and that you have to wear hospital cotton clothes to get in (they give you those before each session). And also that they mentioned they use the chamber itself for sterilization after each session by pressurizing it to 4.0 ATA to 'kill everything' (meaning pathogens), which I found interesting as it shows the antimicrobial capacities of these machines.
Not quite - it's in the State of Mexico, here. We also saw a few others in Mexico City. Some offer very reasonable packages of 15 sessions for 3000 pesos (around 147 dollars).
Sol Logos
The Living Force
Seems like there’s similarities with making use of key elements for therapeutics, but with Hydrogen instead of oxygen. I’ve looked a little into it, here’s a brief post I added on another thread:
Slight off topic. I’ve started looking into a similar thing to do with accessing hydrogen from water. I read this from Ben Greenfield about Quinton plasma water.
For the past nine years, Robert’s focus has been on bringing a new nutraceutical breakthrough called “Molecular Hydrogen” (H2) to medical professionals and health-minded consumers. This “smallest molecule in the Universe” has been overlooked for its remarkable health benefits until now. With more than 800 worldwide health studies on the subject, physicians, researchers, and clinicians have been proclaiming H2 as the most unique and versatile antioxidant and signaling molecule. In 2010, Robert co-developed a practical way for everyone to benefit from this discovery by creating the first reactive hydrogen tablet that infuses water with a supersaturated concentration of H2 gas. This proven nutraceutical is now in its 9th year of distribution in both professional medical and consumer markets…
How "Quinton Minerals" Work, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More!
Ever wondered how "quinton minerals" work? What's the difference between isotonic and hypertonic? Ben Greenfield talks with water researcher Robert Slovak.bengreenfieldlife.com
Brown’s Gas, could be an even better form of accessing the benefits of hydrogen. See this study.
Been looking at this device for home use of generating Browns Gas.
H2Life Brown’s Gas therapy machine v4.1 - Hydrogen For Health
Usually ships in 1 to 3 business days. Usually ships in 7 to 10 days if on BACKORDER. With over 16 years of research and development, Hydrogen for Health's new H2Life BG4 is the most advanced Browns Gas for health system in the world. This system has been built from scratch with health and human...hydrogen4health.com
That's great news! Just make sure that thing won't accidentally beam you to the 1950s or something!!!
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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I think I have read a study somewhere that doing HBOT at pressures ranging from 1.3 atm to 1.7 atm results in similar benefits, but I can't find it now. Can someone confirm if my memory is correct and point me to that study?
This is important to confirm because most chambers on the market are at 1.3 atm.
This is important to confirm because most chambers on the market are at 1.3 atm.
Andrew
Jedi Master
Found this interesting, from: https://nationalhyperbaric.com/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy/difference-hard-soft-hyperbaric-chambers/
"Scientific research shows that oxygen becomes bacteriostatic at 1.5 ATA. This means that at levels above 1.5 ATA, the oxygen prevents bacterial and fungal growth. With hard-shell hyperbaric oxygen therapy, pressure levels are typically over 2.0 ATA, making it successful in the suppression of bacterial growth. Unfortunately, with average levels of 1.3 ATA, soft-sided chambers cannot suppress bacterial growth. On the contrary, they enhance the growth of bacteria, mold, and fungus. Exposure to bacteria, mold, and fungus make conditions worse or lead to additional medical complications."
I've found this lectures which are quite interesting regarding HBOT applied to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lyme disease, depression, PTSD, fibromyalgia and other conditions. These are some of the things they mention:
- anti-inflammatory properties.
- antimicrobial properties.
- improved neurogenesis and neuroplasticity properties.
Here's the blurb in the description:
Those lectures are from 8 years ago, so it would be good to find more about that doctor's latest research. I'll see if I find out more. He just mentions some of the studies but on his slides you can read the references which are also interesting for those who want to see what he mentions in more detail.
- anti-inflammatory properties.
- antimicrobial properties.
- improved neurogenesis and neuroplasticity properties.
Here's the blurb in the description:
Those lectures are from 8 years ago, so it would be good to find more about that doctor's latest research. I'll see if I find out more. He just mentions some of the studies but on his slides you can read the references which are also interesting for those who want to see what he mentions in more detail.
I was a diver in the Navy and we had to learn about oxygen toxicity. Essentially if you’re working hard oxygen becomes potentially toxic to the body at about 1.6 ATA at 100% O2.
There’s treatments where patients breath 100% O2 at higher pressures, however those are always performed with someone observing inside the chamber with the patient who is relaxed.
For home use, it would make sense to limit the pressure of O2 below 1.6 ATA just to avoid the chance of convulsions.
I think that should be double and triple checked for sure. They may be flogging their services.
