I'm on the Medical Merry-Go-Round

Shijing said:
LQB, does the electro-stimulation unit do something similar to what PEMF units are supposed to do in terms of increasing microcirculation? There are a couple of PEMF studies which indicate that this might be potentially useful: ....

Basically, yes - 4P-IF uses the electric field, achieves deep penetration by using the 4KHz carrier, and achieves EEG frequency stimulation via the controllable beat frequency range. The PEMF devices use the magnetic field to achieve penetration at direct controllable EEG frequencies. The PEMF devices use (many) tightly wound coils to generate the magnetic fields. The clinical PEMF machines are very expensive and the commercial ones (Bemer and MRS2000) run $3000+.

I spent some time looking into the Bemer and MRS2000 PEMF mats (as a result of posts in the "Are you getting enough sleep" thread). They have some impressive results showing vasodilation and vascular pumping action, but I question how deep this action can made to penetrate. In studying these two mats, I got a very sleazy feeling about the way they are marketed (I'll go into details if anyone wants it).

Shijing said:
The drawback is that I'm not sure how easy it is to locate a PEMF unit that could be used regularly in a cost-efficient way. If an electro-stimulation unit can achieve the same effect, however, that might be a preferable and more convenient alternative. Doing a search on Google gives some examples of what is available.

PEMF has a good track record in the literature, and I think it is certainly worth a try for Lisa (along with the electro-stim), and there should be clinics offering treatment with better machines (than the Bemer/MRS2000). The electro-stim device I got is a clinical device called the Quattro II that drives 8 electrodes so that you can do both feet/legs at the same time. The cost was about $550 and comes with everything you need.
 
Angela said:
Hi Lisa..I just wanted to voice my support for you as well. I don't have anything to add except you are in my thoughts as you go through these trying times. :hug:

Ditto. :hug2:
 
Thank you all so much for all your suggestions. I am going to see if I can get a referral to a more appropriate specialist if I can. Regarding the 'anger' issue: while I don't appreciate doctors constantly lecturing me about smoking and trying to scare the crap out of me, I don't become angry about it. I'm rather used to it. Over the years, I've been lectured about smoking by virtually EVERYBODY, and particularly so, when I had to undergo some sort of medical treatment for anything. I don't get angry about these lectures anymore, I just feel kind of sorry for these people because they won't read and become better informed about the potential health benefits of smoking. On a few occasions, I've pointed people ( some of them doctors) toward information here and encouraged them to read. What good does it do to become angry about these lectures? No good, as far as I can see. I just sort of sit there and listen to them talk. Regarding smoking, I don't even smoke as much as I used to years ago. I'm smoking under a pack/day and I used to smoke more than a pack and a half a day, every day. I'll think more about how anger may contribute to my stress level in this situation with the doctors and overall.

Kaigen, the problems with my feet began while I was still walking to work ( 2.2 miles) and working all evening full time on my feet, most days of the week and then walking home ( 2.2 miles). I was not spending all my time sitting. I was active, up and moving and the only time I could sit at my computer was shortly before going to work and then later on at night around 9 pm or sometimes later. So it seems to me, this problem wasn't caused or made worse to the extent it is now by alot of sitting at the computer. On my days off, it was not uncommon to do more walking around town, too. Once, I did a 15 mile walk in a day just for kicks, to see if I could do it. This situation seems to have evolved over time ( without me even noticing the symptoms were progressing/worsening while I was busy doing all the things I would normally do in the course of a day - not from being sedentary.

NOW I am sedentary - and it sucks. I had to go to the store yesterday to get food. Had to call a cab and hung on to the cart the whole time in the store. Slow going, but I did it. Very painful to bear down on my feet, plus, it's slippery outside, so I had to also wear the Yak Trax on my shoes to keep from falling. The yak trax concern me a little now, because they cling tightly to the shoes and I think they compress the shoes against my feet. I've depended heavily on them to get around in the winter and they've never bothered me or caused pain. But now they do. Yet, without them, I might as well slide down the driveway on my butt and save trying to walk.

I don't know if I have PTSD or not, from everything that's happened in the past. I have just tried to cope with and roll with my life and I do think I've overcome alot - not all- that has happened. But I am striving toward this end goal.
Some subjects ( like myy personal experiences I mentioned on the radio) bring out more emotion when I try to discuss them, and maybe this is mainly because there has been hardly anybody in my daily life here i could talk to about them. When the subject does come up, like it did with the show, or now on here, I can discuss what happened, I can look at it for what it was - and who I was and who I am - and I deal with it. But it doesn't make the emotions disappear or anything, but I've come quite a long way ( seems to me anyway) from where I was emotionally a few years ago. Maybe it takes longer to heal emotionally when you don't seek out some sort of 'therapy'. I never did because I could never afford therapy. Plus, I've learned so much from this forum over the years, it's helped me in unexpected ways. The last few years, I've had huge amounts of time to think and journal without someone breathing down my neck all the time - and this has greatly helped me confront the past. Maybe I seem really messed up still, but I know I've come a long way from Square One and had been feeling better about my life ( it was finally becoming more manageable) until this situation arose with my feet.

I suspect there will always be something to potentially emotionally choke me up when talking about my past. I'm a very sensitive person and determined not to let those experiences keep me from salvaging the rest of my life, what's left of it.
They say time heals all wounds, but I don't think it always, necessarily does.
I've tried and continue to try to learn the many lessons my past has to teach me.
Every day teaches me something - and I owe so much of that to this forum.

Tomorrow, I'm going to see if i can get anyone to listen to me regarding the suggestions that have been made on this thread.
And I thank you all so very much for caring about me. I appreciate you all more than I can say.
 
Re: my diet ( I forgot to address this in the previous post)

Over the last several months, I've been eating very low carb - almost 0 carb - diet. If I eat vegetables, I eat green beans and sometimes, carrots. I do eat eggs and bacon or sausage, but no nuts, no dairy, no bread, soda, pasta, potatoes, sugar. And I've made bone broth twice now - the first was an organic chicken bone broth, which was good, but no gelatin produced in the process.
Today, I am making my first lamb bone/beef marrow bone broth in the crock pot. I won't be able to try it till tomorrow. I've also done three water fasts over the last year and a half.
The first was for 3 days, the send was for 6 days and the third was for 10 days. I did the fasts a few months apart and experienced no perceptible ill effects from them, but did have significant weight losses( between 10 and 19 pounds) and didn't experience hunger after Day 2. I haven't transitioned into intermittent fasting yet, but intend to do so once this situation with my feet gets under control.

I haven't tried making ginger tea, but sure, I'll try that. Thanks for that suggestion....:-)
 
Lisa Guliani said:
Re: my diet ( I forgot to address this in the previous post)

Over the last several months, I've been eating very low carb - almost 0 carb - diet. If I eat vegetables, I eat green beans and sometimes, carrots. I do eat eggs and bacon or sausage, but no nuts, no dairy, no bread, soda, pasta, potatoes, sugar. And I've made bone broth twice now - the first was an organic chicken bone broth, which was good, but no gelatin produced in the process.

Are you getting plenty of fats?
 
Probably not enough fats. I've been reading the keto thread and am going to increase my fats. I see this can be a little confusing trying to get the ratio correct.
 
Lisa Guliani said:
...Today, I am making my first lamb bone/beef marrow bone broth in the crock pot. I won't be able to try it till tomorrow...

Depending on the bones, you may be able to make several batches of broth from them. I am finding that with my mixed beef & lamb bones, the first batch produces thick gelatin, the second batch still produces a good gelatin, but it is thinner and pourable, and the third batch is still good broth although it does not gel. Altogether a potful of bones yields a gallon and a half of broth. I cook the broth in the crock pot each time for 24 hours or more on low.

My bones have already been used when I make broth -- I cook the beef and lamb on the bone first, and then make bone broth afterward. The broth produced while cooking the meat is very rich. If your bones have not already been cooked then you may be able to obtain yet another batch from them, or the third batch may be thicker.
 
Lisa Guliani said:
Thanks, Megan. I didn't pre-cook the bones, so what do you do with the bones you want to reuse? Freeze them?

Yes, pre-cooked or not, I freeze them until I have enough for a full pot. Well, not really full, but pretty full. I have had better results with the bones from my cooking (beef and lamb, not so much with chicken) than from marrow bones bought at the store.
 
Lisa Guliani said:
And I've made bone broth twice now - the first was an organic chicken bone broth, which was good, but no gelatin produced in the process.

If you are looking to increase the gelatin content in your broth, one way you can accomplish this is with the addition of 'beef feet'. See the article "Bone Broth: 12 Days Of Gelatin" here: _http://www.traditional-foods.com/bone-broth/

I have used the bone broth recipe from this site for every batch I have made and each batch produced quite a bit of gelatin. The production of gelatin occurs when I start with either fresh ingredients or when I continuously reuse the ingredients until disintegration (as suggested in the article), though the latter produces considerably less gelatin.

Sending you well wishes and warm hugs, Lisa ... :hug2:
 
Saw this today from Mark Sisson's (a Paleo writer) website:

Dear Mark: Bad Sleep Tips, Cold Extremities, and Sweet Feed

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cold-extremities/#axzz2KcYe6fbb
Dear Mark,

I’ve been a follower of your website for almost a year now and I have a question that I would like your help on.

For a long time now (2 years or so) I have suffered from very cold feet and occasionally cold hands. I visited my doctor who basically told me that it’s “normal” and “to live with it”. Wearing extra socks does not cut it and I often have to use a fan heater to keep my feet warm.

I know that these things don’t just happen for a reason but I’m not sure what the cause could be. I have read somewhere that it could be related to stress where blood rushes back towards internal organs for emergency usage. I have to say that I’m not at all stressed, in any form.

Thank you

Nathan

We can be stressed without “feeling stressed,” if that makes any sense. Some people call it hidden stress, and it usually occurs when someone has gotten so accustomed to chronic stress that it doesn’t even register in his or her waking consciousness. Just to be sure that stress isn’t bothering you, try a few simple strategies for reducing it:

Deep diaphragmatic breathing exercises. Take ten minutes out of every day to do long, slow, deep belly breathing, split into two five minute sessions (noon and night).

Meditation is also highly useful for reducing stress, but it’s not as easy as it sounds. Get really adept at it and you can even raise your body temperature! Guided meditations are good for beginners.

Do some gentle movement first thing in the morning, preferably outside if it’s not too cold. Five, ten minutes max. I’ve linked to this before, but Angelo’s (from PrimalCon) VitaMoves is fantastic.

Check out a previous post on the subject.

If it turns out stress wasn’t the culprit, hey, at least you’re doing healthy breathing, meditation, and morning movement! Since you’ve been having this problem for two years, and you’ve been Primal for around one year (maybe a bit less), it’s not the cause, but it’s not fixing the problem. Something is still causing lower body temperatures. Does that sound right? I’ll discuss some potential culprits. All or none or some of them could be the answer.

Lack of sleep: Seems to be a theme today, doesn’t it? Sleep deprivation reduces body temperature pretty consistently (PDF). Are you getting around 8 hours a night? Are you waking up relatively refreshed, with steady energy throughout the day?

Lack of food: Are you eating enough? Eating under maintenance, especially on a chronic, ongoing basis, can reduce body temperature. This problem can get even worse if you’re exercising on top of a massive calorie deficit. If you’re trying to cut weight, consider throwing in a few days per week of major overfeeding (preferably situated around exercise) so that you’re not in a constant state of deprivation.

Hyperhydration: I’ve always questioned the standard “8-glasses-a-day” mantra, and hyperhydration is an effective way to lower body temperature. Don’t drink so much water if you aren’t actually thirsty. And when you are thirsty, go for mineral water or add trace mineral drops to regular water.

Lack of salt: A common result of eliminating processed food is a spontaneous reduction in salt intake. You’re no longer going out for fries and burgers, you don’t buy potato chips, you’re eating lots more vegetables and fresh, rather than processed, meats. It’s pretty common to eat less salt than you were before. Some people even get the idea that the PB restricts any added salt, which just isn’t the case. Eat more salt, because sodium can increase body temperature. Go ahead and monitor your blood pressure if that’s a concern, but as long as you get plenty of potassium and magnesium with your salt, it shouldn’t be an issue. If you’re stressed, salt needs increase during stress.

Hypothyroidism: You could be hypothyroid, as cold hands and feet are common symptoms. If you have other symptoms, like general fatigue/malaise and weight gain, try eating more seaweed and other seafood for the iodine.

Here is the study he linked to when he said sleep deprivation reduces body temperature:

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/zo250/AmyMartinZO250Papershort.pdf

Six human volunteers, 3 female and 3 male, ages of 18 and 30, were studied in a
two-part experiment, which included one 24-hour study of each individual’s normal body
conditions, and one 24-hour study of reactions to sleep deprivation. Comparison of the
two data sets suggested a correlation between sleep deprivation and a decrease in blood
pressure, pulse, body temperature, and cognitive performance. Pulse was most
significantly affected; both blood pressures and body temperatures mimicked circadian
patterns, but both also showed a decrease in overall levels of pressure and temperature
when compared to the normal body conditions.
 
I just got off the phone with the triage nurse at my primary care doctor's office. I read her excerpts of Psyche's comments on this thread about me needing a referral to a specialist trained in functional/integrative medicine, or internal medicine doctor. I also read off to the nurse all the tests Psyche thinks I need to have, which have not been ordered thus far and the nurse input all of this into the computer for the referral process.

So now I just have to do some more waiting to see if I get the referral. They have internal medicine doctors here, but this nurse has not heard of any trained in integrative/functional medicine. I'm bringing Psyche's comments with me if I get the appointment.

Thank you all so much for all your feedback and support. I hope I can find someone within my insurance network who isn't so interested in chopping off my body parts.
 
Lisa Guliani said:
I have an appointment on Thursday at 12:20 with an internal medicine doctor.

Good deal Lisa! If you get the chance you might ask him about the electro-stimulation therapy for some near-term relief.
 
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