Imminent Alien Disclosure?

[MJF]

Vallee has written several books about UFOs and is probably one if the most respected UFO researchers. So his interest in a potential crashed UFO is kind of obvious.

Hal Puthoff has been involved in "fringe research" like remote viewing for a long time too. Despite having security clearances and such, he has been relatively open on topics like crashed UFOs and reproducing alien technology. Lately he has been privately examining fragments of materials that are supposedly of extraterrestrial origin. So he is a UFO researcher (with government connections) as well.

On a different topic, I also like the TV show documenting the current research into the Skinwalker Ranch - it's called "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch", not "The Curse of". Some truly fascinating research results there, which we talked about in this thread.

I note what you say. At the time of writing my post I had not yet viewed the video The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs Ep. 3: The New Age of the Sorcerers: UFOs, MK Ultra and the Cold War

Oct 8, 2024
In this third episode of 'The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs' we reveal the architects behind a new world religion premised around alien deities, psychoactive drugs and psychological warfare. The human-made origins of UFOs are examined with a look towards German and Italian flying saucer programs absorbed into the Anglo-American 'secret science' program after WW2, and also the work of Allan Dulles, Carl Jung, Laurence Rockefeller and other leading CIA/MI6 controllers will be exposed as new sorcerers shaping the UFO disclosure initiatives from 1947 to the present day.

My comments were mainly aimed at the conclusion Forum member Voyageur had reached as regards the video and the intentions of its producers:​

"So, in the producers mind, it seems not to be about real UFO's at all - or they are just a means to and end, and the end goal is about a new world religion."

There is no question that the US Military/Industrial/Intelligence community have used the UFO phenomenon as a cover for their own black project activities. There is no question either that the CIA in particular has been involved in social engineering. We should also remember that the C's have said that the PTB may use the aliens as our saviours strategy at some stage in the near future (even if they are not really aliens but underworlder humanoids who look a bit like us). I can just see the pitch now - "our ancient alien creator gods have come to rescue us just in the nick of time, let's bow down and worship them as our ancestors once did".

Quoting Laura & co. on this point:
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Q: (L) Well, yeah. We were talking about the Nephalim and their stun guns and that sort of thing. But it looks like psychopaths are the new Nephalim, and they're already using stun guns - tasers. And then we asked if they were going to try to stage a fake alien invasion. All of this disclosure business is trying to point people in the direction of alien invasions, trying to get them prepared for some kind of fake alien invasion. Then you said yes, but a real invasion might take place first or earth changes would happen. Now, it's just been pressing on my mind, becoming more and more clear, that we don't NEED an alien invasion with psychopaths ruling this world as their transdimensional agents. And it has occurred to me that when you said that way back when, that basically the invasion has already occurred! It's here, now. It's psychopaths in power!

Everybody is looking and waiting for some kind of aliens; well, aliens are a supernatural phenomenon. Yeah, there is a certain physicality to it, but it strikes me that that physicality doesn't have... what do I want to say? Endurance? It doesn't "vibrate" right in our reality. It can come and go, but it doesn't stay here. So they need agents. They've always needed agents. They've always needed human-looking beings to control, to manipulate, or to even "download into" in a funny sort of way, like a possession or an activation. It's like they're sitting at some control console in some hyperdimensional place controlling their agents the way we control remote control toys.

So anyhow, this is what I've been thinking. Everybody's waiting for something to happen, like disclosure, or after disclosure. But it's already happened. It's here NOW! Any so-called “disclosure” will be a fraud unless they come out and say that it is a supernatural or hyper-dimensional phenomenon, which they are NOT going to say because that completely counters their entire world view that worships the physical universe. That’s where the whole Darwinism, material science, exclusion of scientific study of the paranormal, and so forth, comes from. That sort of thing can NEVER be studied honestly because it would destroy their reality construct.

(Perceval) That's a great screen.

(L) Yeah, they're trying to prepare people for physical, material aliens – “Disclosure” - because they're going to TRY to pull the alien invasion trick or the "alien god" trick and they'll say, "Worship the alien god! Join behind us! We're his high priests!" But it's not going to work.

(Perceval) It's almost like that's been held in reserve if it's necessary. They've prepped people with the idea of aliens.

(L) It's like this gigantic counterintelligence program. And the main thing that I've seen them working to counter is the idea, the concept, the understanding that this phenomenon is a supernatural one. To make that clear, what we have always called supernatural, which is not necessarily "supernatural", is really just hyperdimensional. We've been aware of these things – this other reality – for millennia. They come and go. It's like the finger in Flatland. We're Flatland! Am I on to something with this?

A: About as accurate as you can get without making direct predictions.

Q: (L) Who was it, this scientist guy... Was it Werner von Braun who said they were going to create this illusion about an alien invasion, and that it was all a big lie and a big fraud? And the real reason he said it was that he knew that it was a paranormal or a hyperdimensional phenomenon. Is that what he meant?

A: Yes.

And the C's once gave us a warning that this ancient worship of aliens may recur again in the near future:

Session 10-22-94:

Q: (L) Did any aliens at all, and specifically the Lizzies, ever live among mankind and receive worship?

A: They did not live among mankind, but they did interact directly with human beings, at various points in the past. It was at those points when human beings were ready, willing and able to accept deities appearing directly from outside sources and then worship them. Such things would not have occurred in the recent past. But, beware, it may very well occur very soon. [...]

My statement that if the UFO issue is not real, then why would Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee have been wasting their time with Robert Bigelow on searching for a crashed UFO was meant as a riposte to the producers of the video. Like you, I appreciate that Vallee is a serious UFO researcher who the PTB have seemingly tried to compromise according to the C's - "Vallee is not sticking to the "program.".

However, in case the video did not touch on the Stanford Research Institute's interest in the Nine Channellings and the role of CIA/MK Ultra chemist Andrija Puharich in that affair as well as psychic showman Uri Geller's involvement, I thought I would add that to the mix since it is all interconnected, particularly as Geller seems to have taken an interest in the Cassiopaean Experiment in its early days.

I appreciate that TV show documenting the current research into the Skinwalker Ranch is called "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch" but in the UK where I live the title is "The Curse of Skinwalker Ranch" perhaps to tie it in with a History Channel sister show "The Curse of Oak Island", which has quite a following here. Sorry if I may have caused any confusion in this matter.

I have in fact seen The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch thread but it is good thing to draw it to people's attention. It is well worth a look . I hope it is updated soon, since the investigators have produced an absolutely gob smacking picture of the portal over the Triangle, which clearly shows a huge cylinder shape. This makes me think of something the C's once said about the Nazi Bell time machine:
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Q: (L) These individuals who have this time machine in Antarctica, what are they doing with it or what do they plan to do with it?

A: Exploring time sectors through loop of cylinder.

Q: (L) What is a loop of cylinder?

A: Complex, but is profile in 4th through 6th density.

Is there a connection?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Vallee has written several books about UFOs and is probably one if the most respected UFO researchers. So his interest in a potential crashed UFO is kind of obvious.

Hal Puthoff has been involved in "fringe research" like remote viewing for a long time too. Despite having security clearances and such, he has been relatively open on topics like crashed UFOs and reproducing alien technology. Lately he has been privately examining fragments of materials that are supposedly of extraterrestrial origin. So he is a UFO researcher (with government connections) as well.

There have been several hints over the last couple years that Puthoff has been directly involved in the "The Program", i.e. UFO reverse engineering. Elizondo, for example, emphasizes that Puthoff has been read into the "highest" secret programs over the decades, and Puthoff himself has hinted that there's a lot more he could say, but he has a security clearance.

 

[tschai]

Sounds like a scene from Men in Black

Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?

A: 33rd degree, yes.

I found out before my dad passed away last year he was a 32nd degree Mason. I mean, I knew he was a Mason and all but never knew he was that high up in the organization. Was he privy to all this stuff?! He never spoke about it, of course, because they are sworn to secrecy about their rites and stuff. But I was blown away when I found out he was that deep into it.

 

[Joe]

I found out before my dad passed away last year he was a 32nd degree Mason. I mean, I knew he was a Mason and all but never knew he was that high up in the organization. Was he privy to all this stuff?! He never spoke about it, of course, because they are sworn to secrecy about their rites and stuff. But I was blown away when I found out he was that deep into it.

No disrespect to your father, but that probably means he got to lie in a coffin for a while and also maybe got to paddle the behinds of other men as they walked down a line. Those masons are pretty silly.

 

[tschai]

No disrespect to your father, but that probably means he got to lie in a coffin for a while and also maybe got to paddle the behinds of other men as they walked down a line. Those masons are pretty silly.

The coffin part- not sure you are referring to a Mason ritual or his send off. He didn’t want a fancy ceremony, except the VFW doing a veterans memorial, it was a closed casket and church congregation at the grave site.
Don’t know about the paddling thing either- he never spoke about the Masons at all, so what went on at their meetings I have no clue. I did ask him at the same time I found out he was Level 32 if the Masons were associated with the Knights Templar and he said yes. One word answer.
I will tell you this- I have the deepest respect for my father- he was a WWII vet, and an absolute genius who could build virtually anything from scratch. Every one who knew him loved him and respected him deeply. So Masons aside, I don’t hold that against him at all.
It’s just really weird that I was so close to that kind of occult stuff and it never showed at all in Dad’s personality. Maybe that’s where I got it from? Who knows?

 

[Joe]

The coffin part- not sure you are referring to a Mason ritual or his send off.

Yeah, I meant the mason ritual, it's pretty well known, at least to those who have looked into it.

Don’t know about the paddling thing either- he never spoke about the Masons at all, so what went on at their meetings I have no clue. I did ask him at the same time I found out he was Level 32 if the Masons were associated with the Knights Templar and he said yes. One word answer.
I will tell you this- I have the deepest respect for my father- he was a WWII vet, and an absolute genius who could build virtually anything from scratch. Every one who knew him loved him and respected him deeply. So Masons aside, I don’t hold that against him at all.
It’s just really weird that I was so close to that kind of occult stuff and it never showed at all in Dad’s personality. Maybe that’s where I got it from? Who knows?

Yeah, I'm not sure about the paddling, although it does allegedly feature. I'd say there are a lot of decent and knowledgeable people in the Masons. I definitely didn't mean any disrespect to your father.

For the most part it's more or less a social club for men. I think the parts that get lampooned are the darker ritual type aspects and I think those are only for a select few who show themselves inclined in that direction. So I think the whole "33rd degree" part is just a continuation of the other levels, which like I said, is just a social/networking club for men with common or garden level 'esoterica' to keep it interesting.

 

[tschai]

Yeah, I meant the mason ritual, it's pretty well known, at least to those who have looked into it.

I really never had much interest in that sort of thing- dad also belonged to the Lions Club, which is something like the Kiwanis Club ( I could be wrong about that, please don’t roast me!) Never had any club membership tendencies beyond Scouting.

 

[lilies]

will be featured in James Fox's next documentary (coming out sometime this year).

1. Recent James Fox interview, 3 hours, really good:

Watching this new interview with James Fox

Jesse has some other intriguing stuff as well like:
UFO Material is Locked Away at Stanford University featuring Garry Nolan
You can look at the pieces of the exploded alien probe under the magnifier, close up, you see a metallic ore shown on camera. Visible signs of metal distress. Under the microscope they show: it has several manufactured layers - forcefully compressed on top of each other - and all of it was curved via machining.
They analyze it and determine its a high-concentration magnesium alloy very difficult to manufacture on Earth, but possible. Bigger pieces of this exact material also shown in other videos on YT ==> Jesse's videos have several links of books and documentaries - displayed during the show - that I checked out, downloaded and watched. So the bigger ore pieces - brought out of the secret lab are there AGAIN.. But Garry Nolan has even more eyecandy alien craft pieces under NDA locked away in storage..

2. Joe Rogan with James Fox: this is the one that makes the deepest emotional impression so far, not including the top notch Rogan - Bob Lazar show. But the Lazar re-creation documentary is coming out soon, so that will be the Godzilla show to watch! Created by Project Gravitaur.

UFO revelations are speeding up this autumn probably on purpose, as was mentioned on this forum. Here is James Fox stating same (exact video times below):

people are
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,679
coming forward in droves right now we
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,920
just got two forensic Pathologists for, the first time ever working together to come forward to make statements.

And then providing documentation of the autopsy reports done on the deceased military officer. That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward. It's happening right now. Let's explain what happened to people haven't watched the documentary on the deceased military officer:
- Yeah so right after the three girls came in came within 8 to 10 feet of this creature or being or entity..

Continued in the video.

 

[MJF]

Yeah, I meant the mason ritual, it's pretty well known, at least to those who have looked into it.



Yeah, I'm not sure about the paddling, although it does allegedly feature. I'd say there are a lot of decent and knowledgeable people in the Masons. I definitely didn't mean any disrespect to your father.

For the most part it's more or less a social club for men. I think the parts that get lampooned are the darker ritual type aspects and I think those are only for a select few who show themselves inclined in that direction. So I think the whole "33rd degree" part is just a continuation of the other levels, which like I said, is just a social/networking club for men with common or garden level 'esoterica' to keep it interesting.

Insofar as I am aware, lying in a coffin does not feature in the initiation rituals of the three masonic degrees in English Freemasonry (York Rite) but it may apply to some of the degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which prevails in the United States. Certainly it is a feature of the initiation rite for Yale University's Skull and Bones Society, an organisation which has Masonic overtones. It may also have been a feature of Knight Templar initiations since they generally took place underground, as did those of the old mystery schools in the ancient world such as the Dionysian Mysteries of ancient Greece.

I would agree with your assessment that Freemasonry in Britain, the Commonwealth and the USA is primarily a social/networking club for men - even the Boy Scouts is loosely based on Masonry since the movement's founder, Lord Baden Powell, was an ardent Freemason.

However, I would not say this is true of Continental Freemasonry where European Freemasons have actively pursued political ends and objectives over the centuries. You only have to consider the role French Freemasons, particularly those from illuminated Parisian or Jacobin lodges, played in the bloody French revolution. Napoleon Bonaparte was a Freemason and I believe he lay in the so called sarcophagus in the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid at Giza overnight, an experience which he claimed changed him. Giuseppe Garibaldi, the Italian general, revolutionary and republican who helped to facilitate Italian unification was an active Freemason too. Czar Nicholas II of Russia lived to regret reopening the Masonic lodges in Russia just a few years before the Russian Revolution in 1917. As it turns out both Lenin and Stalin were Freemasons as was the father of communism Karl Marx, who was initiated in a Parisian lodge with his friend and colleague Friedrich Engels, who jointly authored with Marx the Communist Manifesto of 1848. Marx and Engels were introduced to Freemasonry by the German-Jewish philosopher Moses Hess, who was an early communist and Zionist. None of these men joined Freemasonry simply to belong to an old boys social network.

The late Stephen Knight wrote an expose of Freemasonry in 1984 called The Brotherhood in which he took a deep dive into English Freemasonry. One thing he claimed was that most English Freemasons were not aware that there was a super lodge in Duke Street that was only for select Master Masons (equivalent to the 33rd degree). Many English Freemasons are active Anglican churchgoers. Indeed, the ranks of Freemasonry include many Anglican clergymen right up to Archbishops of Canterbury. Knight alleged that initiation into this super lodge often required the aspirant Master Mason to spit on a cross or crucifix. A devout Christian Mason would naturally decline and by doing so he would fail to gain entry into the super lodge. It is curious that this act of spitting on a crucifix was an accusation that was levelled at the Knights Templar, who many researchers believe are the antecedents of Freemasonry. There is no question that the Knights Templar had an inner circle that was unknown to most rank and file Knights Templars. Perhaps the same is true of modern Freemasonry. Afterall, the C's have spoken of circles within circles:

A: Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.

Q: (L) In other words, these tunnels were built by and belong to the Consortium, is that correct?

A: Circles within circles.

Q: (L) Masons?

A: One example of concept.

To finish on an amusing note, an Australian university mate of my brother (sadly no longer with us) had a father who was a Freemason. This man was a pillar of his local community being the local Magistrate in a small township in South Australia. He had also come to Britain to fly as a fighter pilot for the RAF in WW2, narrowly missing out on the Battle of Britain. Anyway, his son would often come home of an evening and find his father not at home. When he asked his mother where his father was, she would say "oh he's at the lodge meeting riding the billy goat backwards". ​

 

[tschai]

When he asked his mother where his father was, she would say "oh he's at the lodge meeting riding the billy goat backwards

My dad was an avid participant in the church, but was not outwardly religious, although his mother, my grandmother- was deeply religious. He did not smoke, drink or swear- but my grandfather smoked like a chimney and swore a blue streak. Point is if my dad participated in any sort of weird rituals he certainly wouldn’t have openly talked about it. I have his Masonic rings which I found in his belongings after he passed, but I don’t recall ever seeing him wearing them. I also found awards he was presented by the Lodge for being a member in good standing and dedication to the brotherhood.
Strange that after a lifetime our lives are reduced to a few scraps of paper, photos and crap we have collected. My dad was a master at collecting crap- grew up during the depression, so learned to never throw anything away because it might be useful down the road. And damn if he couldn’t take that crap and build amazing stuff with it. Miss him terribly.

 

[tschai]

My dad was an avid participant in the church, but was not outwardly religious, although his mother, my grandmother- was deeply religious. He did not smoke, drink or swear- but my grandfather smoked like a chimney and swore a blue streak. Point is if my dad participated in any sort of weird rituals he certainly wouldn’t have openly talked about it. I have his Masonic rings which I found in his belongings after he passed, but I don’t recall ever seeing him wearing them. I also found awards he was presented by the Lodge for being a member in good standing and dedication to the brotherhood.
Strange that after a lifetime our lives are reduced to a few scraps of paper, photos and crap we have collected. My dad was a master at collecting crap- grew up during the depression, so learned to never throw anything away because it might be useful down the road. And damn if he couldn’t take that crap and build amazing stuff with it. Miss him terribly.

Anyway we seem to have wandered off topic- although I swear my dad might have been an alien at times…

 

[lilies]

the aspirant Master Mason to spit on a cross or crucifix. A devout Christian Mason would naturally decline and by doing so he would fail to gain entry into the super lodge.

Lizzies ingeniously inserted a critical backdoor exploit into the Christian Defense Software with making people worship and hold dear the Orion STS Crucifix / Cross symbol, close to their hearts.

Q: (L) We would like to know what the Christian Cross represents at a deeper level?
A: Part of the Lizzie disinformation campaign, sorry!

Logically therefore - via 'Christian Cosmic Symbolism' - cross-spitting freemasons declared themselves enemies of Lizard. And devout god-fearing Catholics kissing their crosses declared themselves friends-servants of the Lizard. With the Bible containing a mere 20% truth, then exorcists loudly shouting incantations with holding their crosses toward the possessed - at least in the movies - to drive out the demon must have looked not only ineffective, but like trying to drive away a hungry goat with holding out a large tasty cabbage. Probably lower rank demons [less aware / less knowledgeable] were confused and the higher rank demons [more aware / more knowledgeable probably] may have been simply amused at the dichotomy. In reality however, successful exorcists probably used other symbols and words - as a conductive medium - to project forward their spiritual force and drive out the demon.

The Key 20% truth content of the Bible however is what interests me greatly. For example the entire core structure of The Holy Mary account and her life and her selfless sacrifices - how she did NOT ask for anything in return - , demons admitted THAT was, what drove them crazy! Exorcists had special secret rites / passages, unpublished: obviously because these were effective, but probably controversial to public Catholic doctrine. That is the most powerful exorcist incantations may have been apocryphal:

Father Malachi Martin - during his many radio show appearances - gave away a couple of these super effective exorcism-methods that must have been well tested, because he swore these worked best!
Similar to how guarding mechanisms, protective practices work during true channelings, real seances, I think.

Logically-exclusive thus protective declarations, same as logical set management in mathematics. Same as the logically excluding LawSpeak in corporate contracts and software use agreements, why we must answer by clicking YES, when they offer us: - Do you want to use this software?

Decades ago - probably for this occasion - I specially saved one potent Malachi-recommendation (recited on a C2C radio show 30 years ago for a caller). Its a highly effective short exorcism declaration, which hits home - strikes the intended target - right to the core of the demons heart / existence. Here it goes:

Shall be assertively declared towards the demon.

- O, Creature of God! In the Name of God, who created You [!] and in the Name of Jesus, who saved Me [!], I exorcise You!!!

- "Spit that into their eye. They hate it!" - said Malachi with elation. He must have tried this out with great success during his many exorcisms.

One devout Christian man is mentioned being chased down by Bigfoot almost catching him and as soon as he desperately started his emergency prayer to Jesus from the bottom of his heart, as Bigfoot was reaching for him and crashing the bushes right behind him, it, the monster suddenly disappeared!

So I think showing a demon-repellent spiritually assertive stance - radiating devout power toward the Shady Invaders - can not only drive out monsters, but effectively may chase away aliens and Lizzies as well. Probably depends on the spiritual force of the defender, how deeply she / he is connected to - The Holy Spirit of The Christ as an ubiquitous Cosmic Entity. How well this deepest spiritual connection the attacked is able to summon forth in an emergency.

 

[Wandering Star]

Napoleon Bonaparte was a Freemason and I believe he lay in the so called sarcophagus in the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid at Giza overnight, an experience which he claimed changed him.

Joe may be referring to some variation of that.

A Spanish writer who deals with such subjects said that during an investigation he was allowed to spend a night in the sarcophagus of the Great Pyramid, just as Napoleon did.

Dying to be reborn or something like that, to experience the separation from the physical body.

The adept in his progression may perhaps experience that at some point in a so-called natural way and some of these organizations may provoke or force him with some ritual to speed things up.

I'm just speculating about this really.

 

[Wandering Star]

Ra, Law of One about the topic:



Session 56 June 8, 1981June 8, 1981



QUESTIONER: In that case, I am going to ask what effect the pyramidal form has.
RA: I am Ra. We assume that you wish to know the principle behind the shapes, angles, and intersections of the pyramid found at what you call Giza.
Actually, the pyramidal form serves no function; it has no effect. It is an arrangement for concentration as well as diffraction of upward spiraling light energy, as used by the mind/body/spirit complex.
The spiraling nature of light is such that the magnetic fields of the individual are affected by the spiral of energy. Certain forms provide an echo chamber, so to speak, or an intensifier for the spiral of prana, as some have called this all-pervasive and fundamental distortion of the infinite Creator.
If the need for the entity's own will to call upon the inner light to match the intensity of the spiral of luminous energy is to be increased, the entity will be placed in what you know as the Queen's Chamber of this particular object. This is the place of initiation and resurrection.
This place of compensation, which represents the spiral in motion, is the proper place for the one to be healed, for in this position the normal flow of the entity's vibratory magnetic links is interrupted. Thus a vortex of possibility/probability is produced and a new beginning is offered to the entity, in which it can choose an energetic configuration that is less distorted, less weak, or less blocked from the magnetic distortions of the energy centers.
The important role of the healer and the crystal cannot be overemphasized, for this power of interruption must be controlled with embodied intelligence; This intelliggence is that of one who recognizes energy patterns and, without judging, recognizes blockages, weaknesses and other distortions and is able to visualize, thanks to the regularity of the self and the crystal, the less distorted neighbor who must be healed.
Other forms such as the arch, the ridge, the vault, the cone, or your tipis present this type of intensification of the spiral light.
Your rounded caverns are places of power due to their shape.
It should be noted that these forms are dangerous. We are pleased to have the opportunity to expand on the concept of structures such as the pyramid, because we wish, as part of our honor/duty, to say that there are many misuses of these curved forms; in fact, with improper placement, improper intentions, or absence of the crystallized being that operates as a channel for healing, the sensitive entity will become even more distorted in some cases.
It should be noted that most of your people have built rooms with corners, or squares, for they do not concentrate power. Furthermore, it should also be noted that the spiritual seeker has tried for many of your years to reproduce rounded, arched and pointed forms as an expression of the power of the Creator.

 

[Laura]

Doesn't seem that Napoleon's experience did him much good considering the big mistakes he went on to make.