Imminent Alien Disclosure?

[Voyageur]

Do we consider the essence of the creatures and plants we consume for food, the pain they endure? Even though we know it is necessary for our survival, we often do not. But recently it is becoming increasingly apparent, from this thread and others and articles I read. So, a lesson for us? Yes, I think so. The Mantis was merely pointing out, if the story is true- we and they are not so different after all.

And this raises some philosophical questions such as Laura deals with in the Wave. Because, yes, they have a point, which many on this forum and the Cs have made repeatedly. From a certain perspective, aliens and psychos aren't "evil", they are STS. And humans in general are STS. In that sense, "aliens" aren't so different. We eat animals. They eat us. But that is a nuanced position when presented in full, and without that full context, the idea that "they're like us" transforms into projecting our perceived good qualities onto them, which amounts to making excuses for them.

Should have added to the original, because as Approaching Infinity said, and Laura had, through the C's, made simple and implicit,

Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?

A: Does it hurt you when a "Lizzie" eats you?

Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density... we are on 3rd density and we eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us. (D) If we hurt plants by eating them like the Lizzies hurt us when they eat us, how are we to survive without eating?

A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need to "eat."

And the way of STS, in this respect it may seem, is to eat, because we 'crave' physicality. However:

Q: (L) Okay, let me try to ask it this way: Is the fact that we eat meat detrimental to us spiritually?

A: Absolutely not.

Q: (L) But I would say that just the eating of meat is not a spiritual issue at all. (Perceval) Eating food is a thing of the body. (L) Yeah, I mean we just try to eat in an optimal way to give our bodies the right fuel so that we can do our other work. That's our whole thing is to give the body optimal fuel.

A: There is the difference, see? You eat for optimal fuel, they eat to support an illusion.

There is much on eating food in the transcript, but this thread is not the place for it, although your point @tschai was well brought up. The C's also state that 1st and 2nd density have mechanisms to deter (toxins, running away, sharp teeth and claws etc.), but it is hard for us when 4th density STS simply swoop in out of hyperdimensional space and scoops/beams/tans dimensional atomic remolecularization us out of existence.

Not nice stuff.

 

[Ruth]

( slightly off-topic but ) sts will eat it's own tail to ever maintain course , that's why intent matters, soo ... yes and no fluffy ?

IMO, STS eventually destroys itself because that is the 'highest' (maybe one should say 'lowest'?) expression of entropy. But it consumes and destroys everything around it as well, before it destroys itself. So... is the intent of a 3rd density being going to matter to a 4th density being? No, probably not. Does the intent or wishes of a 2nd density being matter to a 3rd density being? With the exception of people who own pets, probably not.

 

[Alejo]

And this raises some philosophical questions such as Laura deals with in the Wave. Because, yes, they have a point, which many on this forum and the Cs have made repeatedly. From a certain perspective, aliens and psychos aren't "evil", they are STS. And humans in general are STS. In that sense, "aliens" aren't so different. We eat animals. They eat us. But that is a nuanced position when presented in full, and without that full context, the idea that "they're like us" transforms into projecting our perceived good qualities onto them, which amounts to making excuses for them.

Good point,

But at that point.. the best thing to do IMO would be to present the situation as truthfully as possible, which is something akin to "Aliens consume us, and they experiment with us because they can, since they're stronger and more advanced and more aware of reality" and then the philosophical discussion can take place, but it should start there.

 

[Ricardo]

( again off-topic , .. I'll agree to disagree , @Ruth , some have said that , that is all there is , ie consciousness meeting itself in infinite variations )

IMO, STS eventually destroys itself because that is the 'highest' (maybe one should say 'lowest'?) expression of entropy. But it consumes and destroys everything around it as well, before it destroys itself. So... is the intent of a 3rd density being going to matter to a 4th density being? No, probably not. Does the intent or wishes of a 2nd density being matter to a 3rd density being? With the exception of people who own pets, probably not.

 

[Ricardo]

( Cont. , one simple example of this , would you go swim in shark infested waters ? 3rd / 2nd , and usually not pets afaik , Aussies do seem to make this a sport though)

 

[Ruth]

( Cont. , one simple example of this , would you go swim in shark infested waters ? 3rd / 2nd , and usually not pets afaik , Aussies do seem to make this a sport though)

Fish don't have a choice, though, do they? Neither does any other sea dwelling minion.

 

[Windmill knight]

Do we consider the essence of the creatures and plants we consume for food, the pain they endure? Even though we know it is necessary for our survival, we often do not. But recently it is becoming increasingly apparent, from this thread and others and articles I read. So, a lesson for us? Yes, I think so. The Mantis was merely pointing out, if the story is true- we and they are not so different after all.

A good reply to the mantis could have been: Ok, you use and eat us, we use and eat animals. It is the order of things in the world we live in. But just as animals have the Nature-given right to flee or fight back as much as their capabilities will allow, so do we. So why should you expect me to do otherwise?

(Notice that according to the Cs, part of the plan of 4D STS has included ridding us of our natural insticts to fight back. And indeed, there is this narrative among the 'alien evangelists' that tries to make us feel guilty for not accepting the aliens as they are, and because 'humans are the primitive violent bad guys, not them', etc. When in reality, in some cases the aggressive instinct is justified and required. For example, when defending your family, your tribe or yourself.)

Furthermore, although this piece of information might not be available to your average abductee, we know thanks to the Cs that in the Universe there is an alternative order of things, that of STO, and we have a right to seek it and change sides when we are ready.

 

[aragorn]

At the timestamp he mentions some bad stuff associated with other crash-retrieval teams, and earlier he points out that even if he thinks his own experiences have been good, for all he knows, it could be 50/50. At point he also mentions the extradimensional hypothesis, and thinks UFO pilots might be biological drones controlled by an external consciousness.

It's interesting how different he looks in this newer interview with Jesse compared to that with Coulthard. In the latter, I guess that since it was done a while back, he had just 'come out' as a whistleblower, hence the 'deer caught in the headlight' appearance – he was probably very nervous and maybe scared. In this interview with Jesse he's also more coherent and does an excellent job in filling in the details, and reveals a lot of additional information.

I haven't quite gotten through the whole episode, but the summoning thing sounds a bit spooky. First, there are these PSI assets who have the gift, or are trained to tap into the 'information/counscious field' and summon these things. Then, according to him, there's hardware/machines that they can use for the same purpose. Sounds like they're small kids playing with fire! What caught my attention the most, however, was his mentioning of "children having the greatest gift for this" and that this talent is best cultivated/activated by trauma and fight-or-fligh reactions. Makes me think of all the kids that go missing all the time, the human trafficking, and 'satanic rituals' (trauma based mind control, as Cathy O'brien would say in her thick accent).

 

[iamthatis]

I haven't quite gotten through the whole episode, but the summoning thing sounds a bit spooky. First, there are these PSI assets who have the gift, or are trained to tap into the 'information/counscious field' and summon these things. Then, according to him, there's hardware/machines that they can use for the same purpose. Sounds like they're small kids playing with fire! What caught my attention the most, however, was his mentioning of "children having the greatest gift for this" and that this talent is best cultivated/activated by trauma and fight-or-fligh reactions. Makes me think of all the kids that go missing all the time, the human trafficking, and 'satanic rituals' (trauma based mind control, as Cathy O'brien would say in her thick accent).

I think it's most likely that the summoning as presented is reversed. It's the aliens who summon the person, first - then the person calls the aliens/craft, or thinks that they're calling aliens/craft, which shows up, giving the illusion of human control or influence over the Phenomena. The narrative as presented is kinda like saying that a particular special cow or chicken has the ability to 'summon' a farmer.

 

[tschai]

But just as animals have the Nature-given right to flee or fight back as much as their capabilities will allow, so do we. So why should you expect me to do otherwise?

Right- my response would such. But what would an STO response be to this scenario?
The NHIs, aliens, whatever are here, have been here and aren’t going anywhere- I have recently come to terms with the idea that “disclosure” is simply a term used to obscure the fact that these things are already a part of our daily lives, there is nothing to disclose, but to sort out the bulltwaddle from what is happening. Will that happen, maybe, maybe not. But we have the Cs and we have each other on this forum.
The STS actors are going to do what they want, the undergrounders will do what they want, and we just need to watch our own six and look out for each other.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Sounds like they're small kids playing with fire! What caught my attention the most, however, was his mentioning of "children having the greatest gift for this" and that this talent is best cultivated/activated by trauma and fight-or-fligh reactions. Makes me think of all the kids that go missing all the time, the human trafficking, and 'satanic rituals' (trauma based mind control, as Cathy O'brien would say in her thick accent).

This is one of the disturbing elements of the story. On X Barber said the exploitation of kids for this is currently being investigated, whatever that means. For some context, here's something C's said:

Q: (LA) I was thinking about the Space Camp thing. Did anything happen to the kids there?

A: Such programs are precursors to deeper black projects. Avoid at all costs. Also there are many other such portals in your life.

Q: (S) Oh my god! My son J** went to space camp. (SB to LA) I went to a camp too. Did you go to a camp? (LA) NASA puts on a Space Camp for the kids. I went as a chaperone. (SB) The one I went to was sponsored by the state of Georgia but it was called Exploration Camp and the second year I don't remember anything.

A: Read Dolan and use your imagination to perceive just how such programs can be utilized. Just knowing the capabilities that you suspect with good reason regarding Flight 77, should give you some concept of how the Consortium operates. Imagine a "group" going to Space Camp on board that plane. Handy, eh?

Q: (L) So that's how they select out, maybe program, get them set up, have all kinds of groups ready and set up to be prepared to utilize at any point and time.

One of the psychics in the first Skywatcher video claims he was unwittingly recruited via the GATE (gifted and talented education) program as a youth, and that the tests and tasks they put him through amounted to torture (including grooming tactics and use of hypnosis). He's not the only one to claim that GATE is used by the government as a place to recruit kids with psi abilities...

 

[Voyageur]

The narrative as presented is kinda like saying that a particular special cow or chicken has the ability to 'summon' a farmer.

Yeah, but chickens and cows do call the farmer, because they want to be feed and they let them loudly know it.

 

[Voyageur]

Right- my response would such. But what would an STO response be to this scenario?

Since 3d is STS domain, and as such we can't well respond as pure STO, and in 4d STO balances that domain. So, as understood, STS 4th and STO 4th recognizes each (think it has been said) and never thy two shale meet, nor interfere with free will. However, in 3d all we are is STS with an aim to move to the resonance of STO in 4th. There is vulnerability in the process, just as there is with 2d moving up, albeit there are defenses for each.

In 3d, if they come at you with a stun-gun, what would be your response?

The STS actors are going to do what they want, the undergrounders will do what they want, and we just need to watch our own six and look out for each other.

Yes, agree with you.

 

[tschai]

Since 3d is STS domain, and as such we can't well respond as pure STO, and in 4d STO balances that domain. So, as understood, STS 4th and STO 4th recognizes each (think it has been said) and never thy two shale meet, nor interfere with free will. However, in 3d all we are is STS with an aim to move to the resonance of STO in 4th. There is vulnerability in the process, just as there is with 2d moving up, albeit there are defenses for each.

In 3d, if they come at you with a stun-gun, what would be your response?



Yes, agree with you.

So, to balance 4DSTO stands by and watches it happen, saying that it’s the nature of game, and they can’t interfere.
As far as the stun gun- if I can get away, I will, if I can kill them I will, if not, then game over.

 

[Ruth]

Right- my response would such. But what would an STO response be to this scenario?
The NHIs, aliens, whatever are here, have been here and aren’t going anywhere- I have recently come to terms with the idea that “disclosure” is simply a term used to obscure the fact that these things are already a part of our daily lives, there is nothing to disclose, but to sort out the bulltwaddle from what is happening. Will that happen, maybe, maybe not. But we have the Cs and we have each other on this forum.
The STS actors are going to do what they want, the undergrounders will do what they want, and we just need to watch our own six and look out for each other.

Service to Others may mean becoming a resistance fighter instead of just 'lunch'. Could be various scenarios including exposing malfaesance.