Important Notes on Psychopathy

[Mr. Premise]

R.D. Laing said that schizophrenics smell different.

 

[Torpid]

I don't think I would discard the idea that somebody could detect psychopaths... and if so, maybe they can tell us about it. I mean, maybe it is something like a sixth sense? Or maybe you can smell them. I often think that this must be possible.

Physcopaths exploit your logical and emotional mind, explainable or not you do get feelings from people, events, things...it just depends on how willing you are to believe in and act upon these feelings in my opinion, and how good you are with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind.

Oh, thats if you weren't being sarcastic, personally I just think they smell funny.

 

[Color]

Physcopaths exploit your logical and emotional mind, explainable or not you do get feelings from people, events, things...it just depends on how willing you are to believe in and act upon these feelings in my opinion, and how good you are with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind.

ok, so by 'explainable or not you do get feelings from people, events, things' you are meaning how one can 'sense' his/her environment? people in it?
like - intuition? 6th sense, as you call it?

I'm sorry but from my personal experiences and of many other's (I find out more, each new day) - I think you're wrong. This 'smells to me like New Age thing - 'U are the only one to blame if not sensing it from the start'. This is way too much simplifying the issue, to an extent it becomes almost opposite of facts.

edit (I seem to do a lot of edit today) : when reading my response I find it sounding way to generalizing and that was the very thing witch 'bothered' me in your statement.

it just depends on how willing you are to believe in and act upon these feelings in my opinion, and how good you are with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind.

Willing? To believe? Discerning 'real' 6th sense impressions? - this is what I find to be simplifying... If one has developed or finally acknowledge some real sense/fact on how to recognize a psychopath - it would be great to know about and I do believe and hope how one day soon we'll have a definitive 'warning sign'. And that could also be just wishful thinking on my part... But one thing I know - at this very moment there's no such thing developed among those 'awakening' which would worn them about a psychopath, at least not based on senses, 6th or 10th and the last thing I would offer as a reasonable explanation would be how it's just because they're not "good with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind". Maybe as a next step in our level of existance - possible. But not here and now.

 

[Torpid]

ok, so by 'explainable or not you do get feelings from people, events, things' you are meaning how one can 'sense' his/her environment? people in it?
like - intuition? 6th sense, as you call it?
I'm sorry but from ....

By posting such a tenacious opinion, are you looking for me to convince you otherwise, or for support for your beliefs from others?
Thats not meant to be rude, but taking a close minded aproach on an exploration can deprive you of many beneficial insights.
But your right, Im probabaly wrong, trying to sense a pscyopath will most likley lead to the exploitation of human nature (believing others are of good will) and possibly the weaking of any logical defence you might have originally had when dealing with said psycopath, but, its worth considering whether gut feelings have any use for dealing with a pathocrat, or if theyre only harmful...perhaps somone here with direct experiences can provide insight.

edit (I seem to do a lot of edit today) : when reading my response I find it sounding way to generalizing and that was the very thing witch 'bothered' me in your statement.
...But one thing I know - at this very moment there's no such thing developed among those 'awakening' which would worn them about a psychopath....

Ahh, well maybe you can provide the insight your alluding to that makes you so strongly opinionated? Sorry, I know my point of view is limited and hence can not fully apreciate your reasons for casting aside this possibility.

 

[Color]

ok, so by 'explainable or not you do get feelings from people, events, things' you are meaning how one can 'sense' his/her environment? people in it?
like - intuition? 6th sense, as you call it?
I'm sorry but from ....

By posting such a tenacious opinion, are you looking for me to convince you otherwise, or for support for your beliefs from others?

Where do you read my 'tenacious opinion' from? From asking what you meant through your words? Or because of the part 'I'm sorry but from'? If the latest is the case - no need to alarm, it's just that most of English I picked up through movies and lyrics and sometimes I automatically use forms which may not be most appropriate for what I want to say... Was that particular expression what turned you into such a conclussion/attitude? If not, please explain to me where you find 'tenacious opinion' to be exactly.

Thats not meant to be rude

but it surely sounds that way, although - if you found my words to be somehow rude as well - I can understand why are u rude right now.

but taking a close minded aproach on an exploration can deprive you of many beneficial insights.

please explain to me precisely what exactly do you find to be a close minded approach within my post?

But your right, Im probabaly wrong, trying to sense a pscyopath

I never said anything about any 'trying' but actually responded to your statement:

it just depends on how willing you are to believe in and act upon these feelings...

How willing one is and trying are to very different things. To believe in senses and to try to sense are two very different things.

will most likley lead to the exploitation of human nature (believing others are of good will) and possibly the weaking of any logical defence you might have originally had when dealing with said psycopath, but, its worth considering whether gut feelings have any use for dealing with a pathocrat, or if theyre only harmful...perhaps somone here with direct experiences can provide insight.

guts feelings are ok but questionable since I didn't find any informations so far how it can protect you from falling into psychopath's trap, instead of that I find many examples of how one falls into psychopath's web, over and over again... what happened with those guts feelings with all those people and what you are suggesting to be present in all of us, just that: "it just depends on how willing you are to believe in and act upon these feelings in my opinion, and how good you are with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind." - I have no idea. Maybe we didn't believe enough?

Ahh, well maybe you can provide the insight your alluding to that makes you so strongly opinionated? Sorry, I know my point of view is limited and hence can not fully apreciate your reasons for casting aside this possibility.

again, please point it out for me, cause I may be ignorant to what I'm "so strongly opinionated"?

 

[Torpid]

But one thing I know - at this very moment there's no such thing developed among those 'awakening' which would worn them about a psychopath, at least not based on senses, 6th or 10th and the last thing I would offer as a reasonable explanation would be how it's just because they're not "good with discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind". Maybe as a next step in our level of existance - possible. But not here and now.

Thats what I was refering to when I asked why you had such a strong opinion, and by "I don't mean to be rude" I was trying to make sure you werent insulted by me suggesting a more open stance, since I can't inflect my voice to convey that here, and no, I dont find your post rude at all.

I think you're wrong.
But one thing I know - at this very moment there's no such thing developed among those 'awakening' which would worn them about a psychopath
But not here and now.

Is what had made your post come across to me as close minded, but re-reading my original post I realize now why you responded as you did.

 

[Color]

Is what had made your post come across to me as close minded, but re-reading my original post I realize now why you responded as you did.

Yes, I may failed at first to make it clear what exactly I found to be 'wrong' with your statement but I hope I've managed to do that later. It was not me not taking into consideration the possibility but answering to your statement how we all already have a clue just aren't believing in it enough. And I may responded to your words in too emotional manner for being tired of people around me claiming how we all are divine and complete and created as God's reflections - just to use those statements as an excuse to not work on themselves and as an illusion-veil, which prevents them to see the reality of our world. Also it bothered me cause usually it fallows with : it's your problem for not realizing how 'natural' that is, cause you can't :

...discerning real 6th sense impressions with fabrications of your own mind

So, you see, this is a slippery ground and sometimes hard to discern what one really means while making such statements. And I may read more within your words then you actually meant by it, just like you responded to my words in too emotional manner, for not sure what I meant by it. Hope that is clear now ;) Also, I still don't quite understand what you meant with your first post, so please explain that. Thank you :)

 

[Torpid]

Also, I still don't quite understand what you meant with your first post, so please explain that. Thank you :)

I meant it should be possible to have these senses warning you about people, but it wouldn't be all of the time most probably, and it would still be difficult to interpert, however I think that for some people who have become attuned to such feelings could be forewarned. Relying on such feelings or trying to initiate them would lead to clean ensnarement into a psychopath's trap, so I would think work on one's self is necessary if one intended to use any feelings that happened upon their path.

 

[Guest]

Perhaps the misinformation is in the description of what a indigo child may mean, correct me if im wrong but isnt the indigo ray the 6th ray? Is not 4th density sts entitys using only the 5th ray which is blue as we see it? as far I knew they dont use the indigo ray and have skiped the green ray which is tied to compassion? Is not man currently with understanding of the first three rays red, yellow, orange so are moving in 2012 as prophercy suggests to the green and blue rays and 6th density entitys are asissting this from the indigo ray which is the 6th ray. So doesnt this mean you are Indigo since your future selfs are assisting its past selfs from the indigo ray? from what I understand of the rays and associated densitys is union with source occurs only in 7th 'a prism could be used to easily understand it', 7th would look as white would be conbination of all rays 'of course this is only one octave' if this is wrong point please explain your understanding of rays and colors associated.

So maybe the term itself is misleading since the association of the color indigo suggests different if comparing it with the ray comparisons? Also one persons view on what a 'Indigo child' may mean doesnt mean they are right.

Now who determined that the shootings where done by Indigos? What I know of them shootings was it was a mind control experiment by sts entitys and humans working with them?

imo theres more to this than seems remember this also sts entitys will use tactics to mislead you away from yourself, so doesnt some of the definitions suggested earlier refer to yourselfs. I mean you are standing up against the system with the utilisation of knowledge, are you not choosing to not obey them are you not also using physic abilitys are you also not doing this for compassion for others?

New age community dont know what a Indigo is but you have been shown it in your sessions, why do you think your chosen from choosing? sessions have suggested to you to discern information to look for percentages of truth present perhaps that is how you should look at everything you read, because to judge information entirely and lable it as total 'noise' term that is used here is un-wise as any chance of discerning truth in it is missed.

term you use called 'noise' and how it being presented to people is egotistical as it suggests importance over anothers information "to identify sts action is also part of your quest, maybe also look at your own work how it being presented?" remember what 'information' is and why I would say to suggest importance over anothers information is sts (I can tell already my interaction with your group going to come of wrong but it had to be said) the importance of ones information 'knowledge' is based on perception since all are One then there can be no suggestion of importance over anothers contribution of information as it would then be serving of self.

How do you think labling people comes across 'why would a sto entity ever need to place a lable or judgement apon another entity what would it gain?' do you see Ra and others calling people psychopaths or placing judgement apon them? names are only meanings we give them they are based on perception and varie between entitys.

Is not seperating souled from psychopaths no different to when hitler seperated the jews from others? explain to me how this is different it is same context it creates a divisions a emotional upheavel and many other un-needed effects, you know definitions of psychopaths from certain perspectives also would work against most people who even consider the topics suggested here.

Now what I precieve and how I see things and how I contribute my information is my own understanding and opinions you have yours and lessons you chosen to learn are yours to learn as are mine, please dont take this wrong it a observers point of view constructed critizism anything you know is wrong in the information I would like pointed out from my understanding that how I view it.

peace Adonai bless thee

 

[Laura]

Perhaps the misinformation is in the description of what a indigo child may mean, correct me if im wrong but isnt the indigo ray the 6th ray?

Sez who?

Is not 4th density sts entitys using only the 5th ray which is blue as we see it?

Sez who?

as far I knew they dont use the indigo ray and have skiped the green ray which is tied to compassion?

Sez who?

Is not man currently with understanding of the first three rays red, yellow, orange so are moving in 2012 as prophercy suggests to the green and blue rays and 6th density entitys are asissting this from the indigo ray which is the 6th ray.

Sez who?

So doesnt this mean you are Indigo since your future selfs are assisting its past selfs from the indigo ray?

Sez who?

from what I understand of the rays and associated densitys is union with source occurs only in 7th 'a prism could be used to easily understand it', 7th would look as white would be conbination of all rays 'of course this is only one octave'

Sez who?

if this is wrong point please explain your understanding of rays and colors associated.

Since there is no reliable information on this topic anywhere, as far as we have been able to determine, it is best not to try to "explain our understanding..."

So maybe the term itself is misleading since the association of the color indigo suggests different if comparing it with the ray comparisons? Also one persons view on what a 'Indigo child' may mean doesnt mean they are right.

Sez who?

Now who determined that the shootings where done by Indigos?

So-called experts of "indigos" - very similar to yourself - made such claims.

What I know of them shootings was it was a mind control experiment by sts entitys and humans working with them?

Possible... even moving into the range of probable - speculatively speaking. The point made here is that the term and description of "indigos" is nicely set up to cover psychopathy.

imo theres more to this than seems remember this also sts entitys will use tactics to mislead you away from yourself, so doesnt some of the definitions suggested earlier refer to yourselfs. I mean you are standing up against the system with the utilisation of knowledge, are you not choosing to not obey them are you not also using physic abilitys are you also not doing this for compassion for others?

Perhaps you could express yourself a bit more clearly? Or, perhaps you are an "indigo" and don't feel it is incumbent upon you to communicate with clarity?

New age community dont know what a Indigo is but you have been shown it in your sessions,

Say what? Sez who?

why do you think your chosen from choosing?

Run that by one more time, if you would please.

sessions have suggested to you to discern information to look for percentages of truth present perhaps that is how you should look at everything you read,

We do... You might try the same thing in your reading about "indigos".

because to judge information entirely and lable it as total 'noise' term that is used here is un-wise as any chance of discerning truth in it is missed.

Certainly. And to judge anything about indigos as anything other than noise without a valid foundation for assessment amounts to noise.

term you use called 'noise' and how it being presented to people is egotistical as it suggests importance over anothers information "to identify sts action is also part of your quest, maybe also look at your own work how it being presented?"

We always keep those things in mind and urge our readers to research on their own.

remember what 'information' is

Yes, "what information is" is crucial to any discussion. Is the information factual or illusory? We tend to think of information as DATA that maps to reality...

and why I would say to suggest importance over anothers information is sts

Sorry, but you just contradicted yourself.

(I can tell already my interaction with your group going to come of wrong but it had to be said)

Once again, could you run that by me one more time?

the importance of ones information 'knowledge' is based on perception since all are One then there can be no suggestion of importance over anothers contribution of information as it would then be serving of self.

Then why should we care - as you suggest we should - whether or not what we are saying is backed by real data or "information," since everyone is one and our contribution is as important as yours.

Of course, I'm asking this rhetorically (in case you didn't figure that out). My point is that you come here, into OUR space, and propose to tell us what is and is not true, whether or not we are, or are not "getting things wrong" and then suggest that it doesn't matter if we take the care to try to separate what is true from what is false because "there is no suggestion of importance over anothers contribution of information..." because this is "serving of self"???!!

Say WHAT?

How do you think labling people comes across

If the shoe fits...

'why would a sto entity ever need to place a lable or judgement apon another entity what would it gain?'

As it happens, we live in a reality where identifying what is true and what isn't is necessary.
What we seek is transformation through knowledge, insight, voice, decisive action. As Clarissa Pinkola Estes writes in "Women Who Run with the Wolves:

We must unlock the secrets and use our abilities to be able to stand what we see. And then, we must use our voice and our wits to do what needs to be done about what we see. When instincts are strong, we intuitively recognize the innate predator by scent, sight, and hearing... we anticipate its presence, hear it approaching, and take steps to turn it away. In the instinct-injured the predator is upon them before they register its presence. We have been taught to be nice, to behave, to be blind, and to be misused.

"The young and the injured are uninitiated. Neither knows much about the dark predator and are, therefore, credulous. But, fortunately, when the predator is on the move, it leaves behind unmistakable tracks in dreams. These tracks eventually lead to its discovery, capture and containment.

"Wild Ways teaches people when not to act 'nice' about protecting their souls. The instinctive nature knows that being 'sweet' in these instances only makes the predator smile. When the soul is being threatened, it is not only acceptable to draw the line and mean it, it is required." [ Pinkola Estes, June 1997; Ballantine Books ISBN: 0345409876]

"Right use of energy," or "impeccability" is learning when not to act nice about protecting our souls. It is learning that when the soul is being threatened, it is not only acceptable to draw a line and mean it, it is required.

do you see Ra and others calling people psychopaths or placing judgement apon them?

Actually, yes, if you read the material closely and with care. And, the fact is, they obviously didn't do it enough... As I once wrote to a correspondent:

If Ra was so good, why did Don kill himself? And why does it seem that Ra, being a "higher being who supposedly had access to realms of greater awareness" couldn't grasp the idea of conventional colloqialism and standard definitions? Added to this was the question: if Ra is trying to teach such concepts, why is it "obfuscated" to most people?

The answers people form in their lack of knowledge generally consist of the idea that Ra was a "Trojan Horse" demonic who drove Don to his death, and therefore the validity of the material is compromised in the worst possible way. The next conclusion they draw is that Ra was not who and what he claimed to be and the evidence is the obscuration of language.

Perhaps those who insulate themselves in cocoons of wishful thinking or "true believership" aren't aware of these concerns, or do not wish to address them - thinking that if you ignore it, it will go away.

Our position is that every legitimate question and concern deserves an answer - even if the answer can only be reached by the individual asking themselves. But, in this case, these concerns are serious, not only for the Ra group, but for the whole field of work - channelling: the idea of not only the existence of, but the possibility of communication with, "higher beings." (For lack of a better term). ...

Nothing is black and white - simple observational conclusion - but there are many who prefer to see it that way. They see that the "fruits" of the Ra contact was the death of Don Elkins by his own hand, and a body of material that is tortuous and often difficult to read.

Those are facts.

names are only meanings we give them they are based on perception and varie between entitys.

Then the names we give to things ought not to bother you, now should it?

Is not seperating souled from psychopaths no different to when hitler seperated the jews from others?

Say WHAT??!!! Are you really so ignorant that you cannot see the difference?

explain to me how this is different it is same context it creates a divisions a emotional upheavel and many other un-needed effects,

Indeed it creates divisions... necessary ones. The same kinds of divisions that exist in nature between crocodiles and zebras.

The problem with humanity is that our natural predator (as is the case in nature in some instances by the way) has learned to look like us.

you know definitions of psychopaths from certain perspectives also would work against most people who even consider the topics suggested here.

I think you have a lot of research to do before you even try to talk about the subject.

Now what I precieve and how I see things and how I contribute my information is my own understanding and opinions you have yours and lessons you chosen to learn are yours to learn as are mine, please dont take this wrong it a observers point of view constructed critizism anything you know is wrong in the information I would like pointed out from my understanding that how I view it.

peace Adonai bless thee

Ah, I see you are of the Jewish persuasion... explains a lot.

 

[Guest]

Perhaps the misinformation is in the description of what a indigo child may mean, correct me if im wrong but isnt the indigo ray the 6th ray?
Sez who?

Perhaps means possible, so im I not suggesting possibly the terms used are misinformed, I did not say the terms used are misinformed did I? it was my opinion.

Is not 4th density sts entitys using only the 5th ray which is blue as we see it?

Sez who?

as far I knew they dont use the indigo ray and have skiped the green ray which is tied to compassion?
Sez who?

Statement was posed as a question as I only understand them to use the 5th ray blue intelligent infinity and are ignoring the 4th ray green which is were compassion comes from no universal love? I do not know if they are using indigo ray as it seems quite advanced would allow manifestion of lifeforms?

Is not man currently with understanding of the first three rays red, yellow, orange so are moving in 2012 as prophercy suggests to the green and blue rays and 6th density entitys are asissting this from the indigo ray which is the 6th ray.
Sez who?

No one but I thought people would need to know them to be able to move into the next cycle so to speak, the rays understanding came from reading material like Ra and meditation on it, my opinion is people have naturally learned the rays even if arnt aware of it so would open opportunitys for some to move onto learning more about higher densitys and rays.

So doesnt this mean you are Indigo since your future selfs are assisting its past selfs from the indigo ray?
Sez who?

why saying sez who I am saying it obviously and it posed as a question which means im asking you do you feel any of the descriptions that represent Indigo are in reference to yourself. imo your futureself would understand the indigo ray so would then have it in aura's hasnt your own aura photos had such a color before?

from what I understand of the rays and associated densitys is union with source occurs only in 7th 'a prism could be used to easily understand it', 7th would look as white would be conbination of all rays 'of course this is only one octave'
Sez who?

im saying it, it what ive seen it like, isnt white light broken down into colors when shined in a prism so I used that to try understand how rays could be broken down and distorted into levels. so imo white would be when it combines.

if this is wrong point please explain your understanding of rays and colors associated.
Since there is no reliable information on this topic anywhere, as far as we have been able to determine, it is best not to try to "explain our understanding..."

well Ras material is pretty good source it simlar to your own work...heres what made me rethink the use of Indigo 'child' please note im looking at word by word.

The indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

this reminded me of what your trying to acomplish so I thought maybe the possibility of Indigo child term is being misused.

So maybe the term itself is misleading since the association of the color indigo suggests different if comparing it with the ray comparisons? Also one persons view on what a 'Indigo child' may mean doesnt mean they are right.
Sez who?

well it is possible that the whole idea of it has been misinterpted is it not?

Now who determined that the shootings where done by Indigos?
So-called experts of "indigos" - very similar to yourself - made such claims.

I made no claim to be expert on indigo, posing as question doesnt suggest expert.

What I know of them shootings was it was a mind control experiment by sts entitys and humans working with them?

Possible... even moving into the range of probable - speculatively speaking. The point made here is that the term and description of "indigos" is nicely set up to cover psychopathy.

another possibility is the interpeted use of word 'indigo' has been possibility setup to cause confusion away from learning what indigo could really mean as it could be a key to discovering something about ourselfs. the enermy your going up against are very smart they can set things up so that you see it as something there trying to cover up but it could be what you think there covering up isnt what they wanted you to think, is not the descriptions that you revealed by 'indigo' experts to convidencial for your definition of psychopaths 'would it be so easily spotable or are you up against a enermy who can layer everything in plain site and things can then be easily be missed.

im not saying your suggestion on topic is wrong or right im only suggesting another possibility.

imo theres more to this than seems remember this also sts entitys will use tactics to mislead you away from yourself, so doesnt some of the definitions suggested earlier refer to yourselfs. I mean you are standing up against the system with the utilisation of knowledge, are you not choosing to not obey them are you not also using physic abilitys are you also not doing this for compassion for others?
Perhaps you could express yourself a bit more clearly?
Or, perhaps you are an "indigo" and don't feel it is incumbent upon you to communicate with clarity?

at young age i realised education was conditioning how we think so rebeled against the system then, therefore teaching myself mostly how to communicate and not following what is being told is right, let me remind people that enstien has said himself 'he was being held back by education' cause in there minds what he achieved wasnt possible and they would tell him this.

I will give you example of what occured when I was at hschool I would not use calculator to do sums I would create my own formulas to get answers and it would work everytime but because it wasnt as they wanted it to be 'followed there set formula they said it wasnt acceptable' so i had to conform by using a calculator instead of thinking for myself 'inventing new ways to achieve same results'.

Do you think enermy hasnt got control of how people are taught, why do you think most of the world so close minded to the very concept you have proposed in your work. Isn't it more telling people how to think than encouraging them to think for themself.

New age community dont know what a Indigo is but you have been shown it in your sessions,
Say what? Sez who?

From what ive read of your material and Ra material, it seemed to me Indigo was explained, could your perception for newagers be making you bias't against there proposals, therefore missing valid information?.

why do you think your chosen from choosing?
Run that by one more time, if you would please.

the entitys speaking to you have said you choose yourself but were also chosen, so my interpetation of it is your choices have chosen you.

sessions have suggested to you to discern information to look for percentages of truth present perhaps that is how you should look at everything you read,

We do... You might try the same thing in your reading about "indigos".

I do hence why ive proposed a different altogether view on topic, I discern everything I read and have also compared peoples data at times it gets confusing there is different storys coming from so many places, my only understand of it is there must be valid info in it all if I discern word by word and use meditation to help. But I also view as infinity so what anyone proposes in my books is possible as I dont see a limit but what one sets for them.

I also read my old statement and see how it changed as I spot when I was wrong and from what ive learned that lead to changing how I percieved.

because to judge information entirely and lable it as total 'noise' term that is used here is un-wise as any chance of discerning truth in it is missed.
Certainly. And to judge anything about indigos as anything other than noise without a valid foundation for assessment amounts to noise.

But why term it 'noise' I mean isnt it more that it doesnt resinate with your knowledge of topics and requires further investigation if you have a interest in discerning it truth from lies as percieved. labling is not necessary at all as another may find a relevance themself in it and point it out later, doesnt mean it rings true for you but may for them as they may of had different experiences and knowledge aquired.

I am going to asume you know why enermy disinformation works so well correct? cause it has truth in it mixed around with possible lies to decieve so that it felt as true by certain people who have had experiences and knowledge they researched to make it seem so. Saying this then doesnt that mean if you lable something as total 'noise' you also are labling any percentage of truth as 'noise' as well.

term you use called 'noise' and how it being presented to people is egotistical as it suggests importance over anothers information "to identify sts action is also part of your quest, maybe also look at your own work how it being presented?"

We always keep those things in mind and urge our readers to research on their own.

that is good

remember what 'information' is
Yes, "what information is" is crucial to any discussion. Is the information factual or illusory? We tend to think of information as DATA that maps to reality...

information in any form is factual and illusory to discern what is fact from illusion is the fun. which reality do you speak about and by data what do you mean expected data?

and why I would say to suggest importance over anothers information is sts
Sorry, but you just contradicted yourself.

How did I contradict it was asking why I said those words? my contribution of information in my perception is equal to anyone elses.

(I can tell already my interaction with your group going to come of wrong but it had to be said)

Once again, could you run that by me one more time?

I knew that the way I presented my information was going to be come of wrong as it wasnt in the accepted expectation of what valid information in your eyes Is.

the importance of ones information 'knowledge' is based on perception since all are One then there can be no suggestion of importance over anothers contribution of information as it would then be serving of self.

Then why should we care - as you suggest we should - whether or not what we are saying is backed by real data or "information," since everyone is one and our contribution is as important as yours.

were does it say you should care, wether you care or not is your decision not mine, how I view entitys and exsistance is from my own learning and understanding that develop through years of incarnations and interactions of experience and lessons involved, you have your own I do view everything as One that is why when I play my part in the 'war' against the orions I will do so knowing I take part in a lesson for both my enermy and myself and this will be my service for them.

Of course, I'm asking this rhetorically (in case you didn't figure that out). My point is that you come here, into OUR space, and propose to tell us what is and is not true, whether or not we are, or are not "getting things wrong" and then suggest that it doesn't matter if we take the care to try to separate what is true from what is false because "there is no suggestion of importance over anothers contribution of information..." because this is "serving of self"???!!

it is not that I am telling you not to seperate the chaff from the wheat it is that I am suggesting perhaps it isn't necessary to lable them take what it is you learn to be true but leave what you learn to not be true as it does you no good to carry the burden. This is your choice how you do it but there is many ways to do things some are easier than others, would you feed the chaff to the people once it was seperated from its wheat or would you only feed the wheat as the chaff would serve no purpose but poisoning the people further.

Our space? Another makes such claims when crossing borders then being shoot down they you come to know as the orion union claiming ownership of space is control which is sts I see you want to work to polarisation towards service to others part of that is to reconise your own interactions which take place as being sts, right now yes we are sts the infuelences around us frequecys that affect us cant be stoped yet but doesnt mean we cant learn to reconise it, never said what is true or not true only said what it is I percieve and opinions your one seeing that; not everyone is out to get you Laura some of us believe it or not want to help you achieve all you wish to achieve.


Say WHAT?

How do you think labling people comes across
If the shoe fits...

hitler had same idea. only his shoe was blonde hair blue eyes.

'why would a sto entity ever need to place a lable or judgement apon another entity what would it gain?'

As it happens, we live in a reality where identifying what is true and what isn't is necessary.
What we seek is transformation through knowledge, insight, voice, decisive action. As Clarissa Pinkola Estes writes in "Women Who Run with the Wolves:

agreed, but why hold on or lable what isnt true, by this I do not mean exposing illusions that are used to control people such as the illusion of 'terrorist attack on 911' by this I mean labling of information as noise is not needed nor is sorting out good guys from bad guys amoungst man, when time comes they will show themself it isnt your job to do that and it will be waste of energy to try it will bring you un-needed stress and hostililitys by public. they do plan to reveal themself have you not heard they coming back, gonna be interesting show btw man from my understanding helped make the nephilim anyway 'karma is interesting no'.

We must unlock the secrets and use our abilities to be able to stand what we see. And then, we must use our voice and our wits to do what needs to be done about what we see. When instincts are strong, we intuitively recognize the innate predator by scent, sight, and hearing... we anticipate its presence, hear it approaching, and take steps to turn it away. In the instinct-injured the predator is upon them before they register its presence. We have been taught to be nice, to behave, to be blind, and to be misused.

Possible but then arnt you becoming the predator, oh wait we already are 'wonders how animals and plants feel' depends how the actions are percieved and intent behind it, as ive said my part in any future war is for learning of both my enermy and myself I will act according to nature knowing that it is for service of self and others I perform such action. intent will be to protect others at cost of self 'a intent that most people who fight for there countrys percieved themself to take' I wont be fighting for countrys I will be fighting for freedom of the Soul.


"The young and the injured are uninitiated. Neither knows much about the dark predator and are, therefore, credulous. But, fortunately, when the predator is on the move, it leaves behind unmistakable tracks in dreams. These tracks eventually lead to its discovery, capture and containment.

nature governs this realm but what governs nature.

"Wild Ways teaches people when not to act 'nice' about protecting their souls. The instinctive nature knows that being 'sweet' in these instances only makes the predator smile. When the soul is being threatened, it is not only acceptable to draw the line and mean it, it is required." [ Pinkola Estes, June 1997; Ballantine Books ISBN: 0345409876]

"Right use of energy," or "impeccability" is learning when not to act nice about protecting our souls. It is learning that when the soul is being threatened, it is not only acceptable to draw a line and mean it, it is required.

do you see Ra and others calling people psychopaths or placing judgement apon them?

Actually, yes, if you read the material closely and with care. And, the fact is, they obviously didn't do it enough... As I once wrote to a correspondent:

If Ra was so good, why did Don kill himself? And why does it seem that Ra, being a "higher being who supposedly had access to realms of greater awareness" couldn't grasp the idea of conventional colloqialism and standard definitions? Added to this was the question: if Ra is trying to teach such concepts, why is it "obfuscated" to most people?

The answers people form in their lack of knowledge generally consist of the idea that Ra was a "Trojan Horse" demonic who drove Don to his death, and therefore the validity of the material is compromised in the worst possible way. The next conclusion they draw is that Ra was not who and what he claimed to be and the evidence is the obscuration of language.

Perhaps those who insulate themselves in cocoons of wishful thinking or "true believership" aren't aware of these concerns, or do not wish to address them - thinking that if you ignore it, it will go away.

Our position is that every legitimate question and concern deserves an answer - even if the answer can only be reached by the individual asking themselves. But, in this case, these concerns are serious, not only for the Ra group, but for the whole field of work - channelling: the idea of not only the existence of, but the possibility of communication with, "higher beings." (For lack of a better term). ...

Nothing is black and white - simple observational conclusion - but there are many who prefer to see it that way. They see that the "fruits" of the Ra contact was the death of Don Elkins by his own hand, and a body of material that is tortuous and often difficult to read.

Ive read the Ra material alot of it is simlar to my own understanding of things, I dont see anyone as knowing it all as that would be delusional to asume such, I do not see the death tied to the contact of RA I believe the entity was of sto origin and was trying to give world a understanding.

names are only meanings we give them they are based on perception and varie between entitys.
Then the names we give to things ought not to bother you, now should it?

doesnt it not the name it the reason for the name.

Is not seperating souled from psychopaths no different to when hitler seperated the jews from others?
Say WHAT??!!! Are you really so ignorant that you cannot see the difference?

it is same concept to seperate good from bad as seen in perception of entity, hitler thought much same way I ask by seperating psychopaths and souled what do you hope to acomplish? how is it ignorant actions dont have be the same in other to be of simlarity. Heres a concept for you what if what you call psychopaths are part of the interaction which allows for your lessons and working through karma what if by seeing the need to lable and seperate into catagorys you arnt seeing a bigger picture beind it a possibility no? does it mean I agree with anything hitler did no, he was evil as I percieve evil and deserves any karma associated and it makes me angry that there is still people doing such actions against others. 'I am not saying your are same as hitler I was only suggesting the simlarity in labling people'.

explain to me how this is different it is same context it creates a divisions a emotional upheavel and many other un-needed effects,

Indeed it creates divisions... necessary ones. The same kinds of divisions that exist in nature between crocodiles and zebras. those divisions are different, do racial divisions that started racism also aquiate to the differences of animals?

The problem with humanity is that our natural predator (as is the case in nature in some instances by the way) has learned to look like us.

true but they dont have same energy signitures as us, nor when we achieve there level will they be able to hide behind cloaked viels any longer.

you know definitions of psychopaths from certain perspectives also would work against most people who even consider the topics suggested here.
I think you have a lot of research to do before you even try to talk about the subject..

well cultures view different than each other for one, as do each individual entity some would say claiming ideas like aliens invading worlds ending is psychocotic and anti social, does this make them right this is just one example of what I meant.

Now what I precieve and how I see things and how I contribute my information is my own understanding and opinions you have yours and lessons you chosen to learn are yours to learn as are mine, please dont take this wrong it a observers point of view constructed critizism anything you know is wrong in the information I would like pointed out from my understanding that how I view it.

peace Adonai bless thee
Ah, I see you are of the Jewish persuasion... explains a lot.

No I contend to no religions but do not lable them as noise I discern instead it factual data from it illusion as you term it, my perception on it all has changed many times as it always influx some of data involved cant be proven so partly im open to it but also open to suggestions.

Use of term Adonai is a inbedded memory that is in reference to our connection to the Source, when I say peace Adonai bless thee it is me saying I leave you in peace and bless you through source which unites us as One.

dont make asumations that a word is only ever been jewish do you asume that this term has not been used by other species in other worlds in other realitys? All that has been said is optional and by no means feel compelled to listen if choose not too.

peace Adonai bless thee

 

[henry]

SF,

You obviously didn't understand what Laura was trying to say to you about all your talk of blue rays and red rays, etc. Why do you believe any of it? What is your data that support that such things even exist and could have any influence whatsoever on indigos or anyone else?

May I ask if English is your first language? Your writing is not very clear. You have trouble writing coherent sentences. You also seem to have a problem in indicating what passages are quoted and which are not. It would be considerate of others if you were to take the time to make certain the messages were easier to read.

Your understanding of discernment is lacking. You are not the first to come here with the message that "we are all One", nor are you the first to suggest that in drawing lines of understanding between psychopaths and normal people we are doing exactly what Hitler did. Both of these statements come from a different understanding of what our role is here in this reality. We are here to learn to discern in ever finer ways between the upward path of creation and the downward path of entropy. From the point of view of the Ultimate, it is correct that "we are all One". Everything has its place in the universe.

However, from the point of view of humanity, still stuck in the mud, it makes a great deal of difference whether or not one can tell the difference between true giving and subtle forms of manipulation, between defending one's higher self and running programmes that are part of the false personality. Do a search on our sites for T. Illion for a couple of articles on this topic.

We do not put any stock in people's subjective impressions. Our perceptions are not necessarily of equal value. People who choose to live in illusion will not be able to see the truth. That is why we think that it is necessary to work in a network, sharing information and comparing notes in order that our own blind spots and illusions can be pointed out to us.

We have already moved beyond the arguments you present here. If you are interested in putting them into question -- your own ideas -- you are welcome to read more deeply on the forum and on our sites. If you are happy were you are and are not willing to put your own preconceptions and illusions into question, then you'll also be happier on some other forum.

 

[Iconoclast]

chemical makeup of a psychopath's tears?

since the air during the winter is much drier i was recently suffering a bit from dry eyes, which prompted me to read the wikipedia entry on tears.
i found out that we produce 3 different types of tears which have different chemical makeups.

1. Basal tears: In healthy mammalian eyes, the cornea is continually kept wet and nourished by basal tears. They lubricate the eye and help to keep it clear of dust. Tear fluid contains water, mucin, lipids, lysozyme, lactoferrin, lipocalin, lacritin, immunoglobulins, glucose, urea, sodium, and potassium. Some of the substances in lacrimal fluid fight against bacterial infection as a part of the immune system.
2. Reflex tears: The second type of tears results from irritation of the eye by foreign particles, or from the presence of irritant substances such as onion vapors, tear gas or pepper spray in the eye's environment. These reflex tears attempt to wash out irritants that may have come into contact with the eye.
3. Crying or weeping (psychic tears): The third category, generally referred to as crying or weeping, is increased lacrimation due to strong emotional stress, depression or physical pain. This practice is not restricted to negative emotions; many people have been known to cry when extremely happy or when they are laughing. In humans, emotional tears can be accompanied by reddening of the face and sobbing — cough-like, convulsive breathing, sometimes involving spasms of the whole upper body. Tears brought about by emotions have a different chemical make up than those for lubrication; emotional tears contain more of the protein-based hormones prolactin, adrenocorticotropic hormone, and leucine enkephalin (a natural painkiller) than basal or reflex tears. The limbic system is involved in production of basic emotional drives, such as anger, fear, etc. The limbic system, specifically the hypothalamus, also has a degree of control over the autonomic system. The parasympathetic branch of the autonomic system controls the lacrimal glands via the neurotransmitter acetylcholine through both the nicotinic and muscarinic receptors. When these receptors are activated that the lacrimal gland is stimulated to produce tears.[2]

this of course made me think what the chemical analysis of a psychopath's tears might look like.
i put some key words into scroogle to find out if anyone had already undertaken such an analysis, but the search yielded no relevant results.
if in fact 'emotional tears' of a psychopath were chemically different from normal humans someone could devise some kind of a 'litmus test' for psychopathy. (if you wipe your tears and the tissue turns red, you are a psychopath ;) )

has anyone any information as to weather a psychopath's 'emotional tears' are actually chemically different from ours?

 

[Cyre2067]

chemical makeup of a psychopath's tears?

Wow that sounds like a really interesting experiment and a keen paper to boot. I did some searching on science direct and found a japanese paper that had some interesting data, unfortunately there is only a translated abstract, but here's the info anyway:

Activation of the medial prefrontal cortex during cryingnext term with emotional previous termtear:next term Near-infrared spectroscopy study

Ikuko Sato-Suzukia, Masaki Fumotoa, Yoshinari Sekia, Kiyoshi Kamiyaa, Xinjun Yua, Hiromi Kikuchia, Tamami Sekiyamaa and Hideho Aritaa
aDepartment Physiol., Toho University School of Medicine, Tokyo, Japan

Available online 1 August 2007.

Near-infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) has the potential for application in neuropsychiatry because it enables non-invasive and convenient measurement of hemodynamic response to brain activation. Using 8 channel NIRS in healthy subjects, we examined oxy- and deoxy-hemoglobin ([oxy Hb] and [deoxy Hb]) concentration changes in the prefrontal cortex before, during and after crying with emotional tear. To induce emotional tear, subjects watched a video (which moved many people to tears) for 30 min. We found that the medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) was activated prior to crying with tear. We divided the crying process into three stages; pre-tear stage, tear-triggering stage and the continuous tear stage. In the pre-tear stage lasting approximately 1 min, there was a gradual increase of [oxy Hb] in the mPFC. Subject felt a deep impression or a lamp in his throat, which was accompanied by an increase in heart rate, suggesting a sympathetic nerve activation. Thereafter, there was a short, strong activation of mPFC, characterized by spiky increase in both [oxy Hb] and [deoxy Hb]. At this point, subjects started to cry bitterly with tears. We named this stage as tear-triggering stage. This spiky activation of mPFC is thought to switch the autonomic nervous system from the sympathetic tone to the parasympathetic activation, because tearing is controlled by the parasympathetic system. Subjects continued to tear for 1–2 min (continuous tear stage). Subjects had a feeling of reduced confusion after crying with tear, as assessed by POMS questionnaire scores. We therefore conclude that crying with emotional tear is triggered by a strong, short activation of mPFC and that crying with tear would act as a stress reduction.

My guess is that research into comparing psychopathic tears to normal ones would yield very interesting results. Though I doubt anyone's actually done the experiment yet.

Edit: So i found a 12 page paper on the composition of tears. Here's the abstract:

Laboratory findings in tear fluid analysis

Yoshiki Ohashia, Murat Dogrua and Kazuo TsubotaCorresponding Author Contact Information, a, E-mail The Corresponding Author
aDepartment of Ophthalmology, Keio University School of Medicine, 35 Shinanomachi Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-8582, Japan
Received 11 May 2005; revised 29 December 2005; accepted 30 December 2005. Available online 3 March 2006.

The tear film, composed of the lipid, aqueous and mucin layers, has many functions including defending the ocular surface. The tear film covering the ocular surface presents a mechanical and antimicrobial barrier and ensures an optical refractive surface. The lipid component originates from the meibomian glands of the tarsus and forms the superficial layer of the tear film. The aqueous component contains electrolytes, water, and a large variety of proteins, peptides and glycoproteins, and is primarily secreted by the lacrimal gland. Mucins are glycoproteins expressed by epithelial tissues of mucous surfaces. They protect tissues by functioning as antioxidants, providing lubrication, and inhibiting bacterial adherence. Quantitatively and qualitatively, its previous termcompositionnext term must be maintained within the fairly narrow limits to maintain a healthy and functional visual system. Abnormalities of the previous termtearnext term film, affecting the constituents or the volume, can rapidly result in serious dysfunction of the eyelids and conjunctiva and ultimately affect the transparency of the cornea. Many ocular surface tests have been developed for the clinical diagnosis of dry eye syndromes. This paper provides an overview on laboratory methods for the analysis of the tear film. Understanding the components of the previous termtearnext term film will aid in the treatment of dry eye syndromes and the ocular surface diseases.

If you want the paper send me an email and I'll reply with the pdf file.

 

[bedower]

I believe there are probably a number of ways that some people are able to "detect" psychopaths, while others cannot. The most obvious way would be through conscious knowledge of the signs, previous experience, etc. A "psychic" or "intuitive" ability to sense their "essence" may be another. The idea that one could possibly "smell" them is intriguing, and could go a long way to explaining why animals have extreme reactions to some people.

Since reading the wealth of information on this forum about psychopaths and sociopaths, and remembering the times I've come into contact with people who would definitely meet all the criteria of psychopaths, I now tend to treat everyone I meet as a potential psychopath; i.e. forever alert in their company!

Also, regarding the above quote, have there ever been times with any of you when you feel uncomfortable being in unavoidable close proximity with someone for no apparent reason, usually, but not always, a stranger; sitting on a bus, for instance? This has happened to me on numerous occasions; in some instances it has been so strong a revulsion that I've had to get up and move away from them. It was once explained to me (in my pre-SOTT/Cass days) that my aura and their aura clashed, and that was the reason. All very New-Age, but I hadn't met up with Laura and all then so apologies.

I had forgotten about this close proximity discomfort until I was actually typing this reply. Now it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with auras as such, but is an actual warning sign that this person, and it can be male or female, has a psychopathic trait and should be avoided at all costs?

Any input on this, hopefully?