Important Notes on Psychopathy

Re: Psychopathy Gene?

That's really interesting.
As I've seen this documentary recently about gang members it sheds a new light on what might be going on.

It makes me think that there is a human laboratory going on in some places, where situations are created for such "study" purposes, it is mind boggling to think that the psychopaths organizing these situations are maximizing their gains because they will win in any case (through drugs, violence, auto-genocide....) and it sure helps to spread psychopathy on a large scale.

Of course this finding is opening the gate for an eugenic rationalization that will directly benefit all right-wings crazies (which are certainly not devoid of the gene themselves.)...I think the whole issue is more complex than that but I have a hard time to grasp it fully.
 
Normalizing psychopaths or Psychopathic PR

I was doing a search on Google for news items relating to psychopaths. Here's what I found:

By Nellie Andreeva
July 8, 2009, 11:00 PM ET
"How I Met Your Mother" executive producer Greg Malins has teamed with best-selling mystery novelist Harlan Coben for an hourlong series project.

The project, about a larger-than-life former private eye who teaches a college criminology class, was sold at the first place it was pitched, Fox, where it landed a script commitment with a penalty attached.

The untitled series, described as a drama with humor, hails from 20th Century Fox TV, where veteran comedy writer-producer Malins has an overall deal.

Coben, author of 18 novels in the mystery and thriller genres who lives in his native New Jersey, had been thinking about venturing into television. He had an idea to center a crime drama on a character with a frontal-lobe injury that suppresses his inhibitions.

The article then goes on to say:

The two hatched the idea for a series, a procedural about a private investigator-turned criminology teacher who solves crimes with his graduate students while also schooling them.

The setting will be an UCLA-type school in Los Angeles. With most of Coben's books set in and around New York and New Jersey and Malins working on three consecutive series set in New York, both were looking for a change of scenery.

Not long before he took the teaching job, the show's private eye suffered a bullet wound to the head that made him lose his inhibitions. That "makes him a psychopath," Coben said. "It (also) makes him a better cop and teacher because he doesn't have a sympathetic outlook." (bold mine)

Thus the tagline for the show: "They want to learn about the mind of a psychopath. Well, they are about to learn from the best."

Is this an attempt to make the behaviors of psychopathic law enforcement "okay"? It may be interesting to see what this show will be trying to "teach"...

This reminded me a little of the series Dexter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_(TV_series) which is about a psychopath who works as a blood spatter analyst for crime scenes. Dexter is haunted from being severely abused as a child and developed a need to kill people. If I remember correctly, his adopted father noticed while Dexter was still a child that he was severely detached and unemotional and took on the task of steering Dexter to not just killing randomly when Dexter felt the urge, but to do it for "good". This coupled with the humor injected into the series is supposed to garner feelings of sympathy I assume.

I have mixed feelings about what's going on: I was happy to see that the term psychopath is being used more in the mainstream media. What's disconcerting but unfortunately not surprising is how consistently the attempt is made to have us sympathize with these people and make their behavior be accepted as normal even though we don't understand it. We've categorized psychopathy under the same label as race. What next, t-shirts that read: It's a psychopath thing, you wouldn't understand.? (I'm black btw and apologize if I've offended anyone.)

I'm not voicing anything that hasn't already been said on this forum, it's just frustrating because I understand how we all want to give people the benefit of the doubt even to our own detriment. It would just be refreshing if there were more programs that focused on the ordinariness of the condition while labeling it correctly but I guess that wouldn't be sexy enough.

What's interesting is the proliferation of psychopathic behavior in mainstream media that is not labeled for what it truly is. The insidiousness is amazing. I saw this documentary called "The Perfect V*gina" which was incredibly upsetting for many reasons (I wouldn't recommend anyone seeing this). In it, a young girl wanted to undergo surgery for what she considered a problem. She said several times that she was put up to it by her sister and "friends". I was horrified to see that she was manipulated by her sister to get this done (the parents were nowhere in sight). What was truly chilling was the look on her sister's face as she went through what looked like an extremely painful procedure. She looked to me as though she could barely conceal the glee on her face while somehow managing to come across as a someone giving moral support. The presenter never questioned her as to why she would coerce her own sister to do such a thing. The is true psychopathic behavior! They set up a situation and come out smelling like a rose while the drama ensues.

I realize this is classic STS/4th density manipulation but I just felt the need to get it off my chest.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1295011/
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4922fa0cb13ab365d3c95d71af0a75e2
 
The problem with psychopaths: a fearful face doesn't deter them

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=the-problem-with-psychopaths-a-fear-2009-09-29&sc=MND_20091029

Jesse Bering said:
Buon giorno from Florence, where I’m presently under the Tuscan sun—sizzling like bacon, I should add—as a hive of awestruck, pale-legged American tourists wearing Nikes, cargo shorts and Polo shirts descend with digital cameras at the ready on the Renaissance city’s signature Duomo in the Piazza Della Signoria. As for me, I’m at an overpriced cafe with a “Coca-Cola Light” in my hand; in the square before me, a bedraggled carriage horse has its great tethered head to the ground, warily inspecting some lime-green gelato spilled moments ago on the cobblestones by a fussy little Australian boy. If I were of a literary rather than a scientific bent, I would find these scenes inspiring; Dante himself couldn’t imagine a stranger hell than his beloved Florence stuffed with such exotic modern characters, pigeons whiffling overhead. Instead, I’m gazing out across this piazza and wondering how many psychopaths there are milling about out there, the cleverest of whom often go unnoticed.

What prompts this strange thought is my earlier visit to a lesser-known tourist attraction here in Florence called “The Museum of Serial Killers.” After all, once one is finished marveling over masterpieces like Michaelangelo’s David and Botticelli’s Birth of Venus in the famed Galleria Dell’Accademia and the Uffizi, it’s easy to get fatigued by all the religious iconography in this city. I found myself standing before fantastic, gilded works by the Italian masters and muttering, “Just another Jesus,” and “Oh, it’s only Mary again.” (What a pity so many artists of that age concentrated their talents so heavily on so few subjects.) So, though it's sensational, The Museum of Serial Killers offers respite from these more venerable Florentine sites. Unfortunately, it’s also as tacky inside as its name on the marquee promises, mostly waxworks of notorious psychopaths such as the 15th century French sadist Gilles de Rais, a smiling and unctuous Ted Bundy leaning against a fancy sports car, even a disturbingly realistic reconstruction of John Wayne Gacy’s suburban living room—complete with decomposing corpses beneath the floorboards.

I confess, rather sheepishly, that the subject of serial killers has always held a certain dark allure for me. But I know I’m not alone. One person who shares my scholarly interest in serial killers, psychopaths and their unsettling ilk is an ironically personable young psychologist from Georgetown University named Abigail Marsh. I met Marsh last July at a very different latitude— on New Hampshire’s Squam Lake just a stone’s throw away from where the movie O n Golden Pond (1981) was filmed—during a Dartmouth-sponsored event called “Perceiving Other Minds.” She confided in me that her research interests may have something to do with the fact that she grew up in Tacoma, not far from Ted Bundy, the Green River Killer and the D.C. Sniper.

In her groundbreaking work funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, Marsh and her colleagues have been exploring how “callous and unemotional” individuals tend to show a very specific cognitive deficit: namely, they are especially poor at recognizing, processing and responding normally to the facial expression of fear on other people’s faces (a “normal” response being ceasing an assault on the frightened person or offering aid). Curiously, their trouble in this area is not due to a problem with facial expressions in general—they do perfectly well deciphering the look of disgust, anger, happiness and so on on other people’s faces. In contrast, autistics have trouble with pretty much all facial expressions of emotion, suggesting that, for them, this generalized difficulty is meaningfully linked to their broad social disfunction. Rather, it’s only the look of fear that puzzles diagnosably antisocial people (and to a somewhat lesser extent, sadness). Thus, in a converted boathouse on Squam Lake in early July, Marsh discussed several key studies, all indicating a fear-specific facial processing deficiency in children and adults with persistent antisocial behavioral tendencies. That is to say, “behavior that violates the rights and welfare of others or breaks important normative rules.”

To begin with, Marsh noted, ethologists have long-argued that the fear display evolved in humans and other animals as a “distress cue” signaling the absence or reduced threat of harm in the other party. In many respects, it is a more acute distress cue than sadness because it usually signals a more urgent need. Marsh believes it’s no accident that the expression of the human fear display designedly contorts the person’s face in a manner that gives it a particularly “neotonous” (babyish) appearance. Just as the cute, bubbly faces of infants and toddlers convey complete innocuousness and tend to emotionally disarm us of any hostile feelings toward them or elicit caregiving responses, the fear facial expression in adults possesses similar infantile physical characteristics, such as wide, rounded eyes and high brows.

In a 2008 article [PDF] in Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews , Marsh and coauthor R. J. R. Blair argue that:

Distress cues such as fearful or sad expressions have been theorized to stabilize social interactions among healthy individuals by eliciting affective responses that reduce the likelihood of continued aggression against the victim. Such affective response may include empathy and remorse. Both of these responses are elicited by the perception and correct identification of distress cues such as fear expressions. That antisociality is associated with a lack of empathy and remorse ... supports the conclusion that antisocial individuals do not respond appropriately to distress cues.

Marsh relayed a chilling anecdote about a colleague of hers, University College London psychologist Essi Viding, who was going through a task with a psychopathic murderer in which a series of faces with different emotional expressions were laid out before the woman. When the murderer saw the picture of the fearful face, she scratched her head and said: “I don’t know what that expression is called, but I know it’s what people look like right before I stab them.”

It is important to emphasize that the difficulty these people have with the emotional expression of fear is due to a core neurological problem rather than a deliberate, selective inattention to fear. Specifically, functional MRI (fMRI) studies in both children and adults have revealed a telltale “hypoactivation” of the amygdala in response to fearful faces—essentially, this area of the brain fails to respond. In a recent study [PDF] in the American Journal of Psychiatry , Marsh and her colleagues exposed 36 children between the ages of 7-10 to a series of neutral, fearful and angry faces, which were projected onto a mirror while the children were in the MRI scanner. Using various assessment measures, such as “The Psychopathy Checklist” and the “Antisocial Process Screening Device,” twelve of the children had been clinically diagnosed as having “callous and unemotional” traits (antisocial). Another twelve had attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and the remaining children served as “healthy” or normal controls.

To illustrate the behavioral profile of an antisocial child, the authors provide the following case study for one of these children, a 12-year-old boy referred to as “Mark” to protect his identity.

Mark is well-liked by his peers; he is confident and charismatic and is an entertaining storyteller. His popularity contrasts with the behavior he exhibits with his family and peers, however. With his parents, he is defiant, deceitful, or manipulative in order to achieve his desired outcomes. With siblings and peers, he tends toward verbal and physical intimidation. He engages in physical fights, shoplifts from stores, and engages in frequent fire-setting. He particularly likes fireworks; recently he set off several fireworks outside his school and videotaped the aftermath. His father states that Mark has never appeared to experience guilt or regret after engaging in these sorts of behaviors and that he seems to be “totally self-centered.”

As the researchers predicted for this study, the brain scans of the antisocial children—Mark and his eleven other callous and unemotional cohorts—showed significantly less amygdala activation in response to the image of the fearful face compared to the neutral one. In contrast, amygdala activity spiked in children with ADHD and the healthy controls when they saw the fearful face.

Like other personality traits, the degree to which one is “callous and unemotional” varies between individuals. And one doesn’t have to be a full-fledged psychopath to share some of the psychopath’s antisocial propensities. In fact, in a particularly clever set of experiments [PDF] published in a 2007 issue of the journal Emotion , Marsh and her colleagues Nalini Ambady and Megan Kozak showed that even in normal, nonclinical populations, the ability to detect fearful faces is correlated with people’s “prosocial” behaviors in a seemingly unrelated task. In other words, the better one is at identifying fearful faces (normal accuracy rates hover around 70 percent and are generally lower than for other emotional expressions), the kinder they are to strangers. In this study, identification accuracy of fearful faces predicted whether—and how much—the participants would donate money to a woman in need. Those who were better able to discriminate between fearful faces from other emotions also rated strangers as being more attractive when they thought the strangers would learn of others’ judgments of their appearance (compared to when they thought the images were simply stock photos from a catalogue).

A convincing look of fear is also difficult to feign. I asked my partner, Juan, to demonstrate and I’d swear he either just had a spontaneous orgasm or the milk in his latte had just gotten its revenge. (A scarier thought is that I just don’t have an eye for fearful faces.) In any event, I asked Marsh whether any work had been done on psychopaths’ actual production of the fear facial expression, given that it’s widely believed that compared to the rest of us, psychopaths are less fearful in general, insensitive to aversive events and high in risk-taking. I wanted to know whether these characteristics showed on their faces—or rather, failed to show. Marsh led me to some recent work by a team of German psychiatrists who analyzed the emotional responding of 25 psychopathic prisoners in response to positive and aversive stimuli. In contrast to another group of prisoners with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), the psychopaths showed significantly less facial expression in response to all of the stimuli (as measured by decreased electromyographic activity in the corrugator muscles), which the authors interpret as reflecting a pronounced lack of fear. Some showed no startle reflex at all to some rather unpleasant stimuli.

Ciao for now. I’m getting up to have a closer look at a young man on the other side of the piazza—he has the most curious look on his face ... I can’t quite make it out ...
 
Re: The problem with psychopaths: a fearful face doesn't deter them

I think they also do not recognise love. They can pretend many emotions but they do not understand them.
 
Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Wiki says this about the man:

Lawrence Henry Summers (born November 30, 1954) is an American economist and the Director of the White House's National Economic Council for President Barack Obama.[2] Summers is the Charles W. Eliot University Professor at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. He is the 1993 recipient of the John Bates Clark Medal for his work in several fields of economics and was Secretary of the Treasury for the last year and a half of the Clinton Administration. [...]

"Conscience is the knowledge someone is watching" … Larry Summers

Whew!
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Rabelais said:
"Conscience is the knowledge someone is watching" … Larry Summers

Wow... :O

It also explains why the psychopaths want to monitor our every move. They think we're like them and will only "behave" if we know we're being watched and that there will be consequences.
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Is there any other place where this quote is attributed to him besides an anonymous writer on a forum about precious metals?

http://www.silberinfo-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=229
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Heimdallr said:
Is there any other place where this quote is attributed to him besides an anonymous writer on a forum about precious metals?

I got the quote from my subscription precious metals daily newsletter, Le Metropole Cafe. This is the official website of GATA (Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee). They just sued the Federal Reserve last week, to release FOMC meeting minutes. They are a pretty sharp bunch.

I'll contact Bill Murphy, the site owner, to see where he found the quote.
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Rabelais said:
Heimdallr said:
Is there any other place where this quote is attributed to him besides an anonymous writer on a forum about precious metals?

I got the quote from my subscription precious metals daily newsletter, Le Metropole Cafe. This is the official website of GATA (Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee). They just sued the Federal Reserve last week, to release FOMC meeting minutes. They are a pretty sharp bunch.

I'll contact Bill Murphy, the site owner, to see where he found the quote.

No problem. Just remember to be careful with what could be considered making slanderous statements about someone who is so much in the public eye. I know LMC is legit, but their is little proof that he actually said this anywhere else, or even "on the record".
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

I just got a reply from Murphy. He does not know the original source of that quote. It has been in his file for over 4 years.

I did some looking too. Here is a site with a compilation of Summers musings. His pathology is clearly evident in most of them. I've little doubt that he made the one above, but you are correct that citations are always necessary. Mods, in the immoral words of another great Larry... Silverstein, "Pull it" if deemed necessary.

_http://www.allgreatquotes.com/larry_summers_quotes.shtml
 
Re: Psychopath's Definition of Conscience

Rabelais said:
I just got a reply from Murphy. He does not know the original source of that quote. It has been in his file for over 4 years.

I did some looking too. Here is a site with a compilation of Summers musings. His pathology is clearly evident in most of them. I've little doubt that he made the one above, but you are correct that citations are always necessary. Mods, in the immoral words of another great Larry... Silverstein, "Pull it" if deemed necessary.

_http://www.allgreatquotes.com/larry_summers_quotes.shtml

No, I was too quick to react in my post. You have a right to your opinion of Summers. My apologies for that Rabelais.
 
Re: Sociopathy, as defined in the book Snakes in Suits

Okay... I have read quite a few of the psychological books we reference around here, and I think I have a introductory grasp of the content. However, I sometimes get the terminology confused in my mind. So quick and dirty here...

essential psychopath - one who is a genetic inheritor of the traits that are collectively labeled psychopathy

sociopath - one who has environmentally developed psychopathic traits

characteropath - one whose psychopathic and cognitive traits (as discussed by lobachevski) are due to physical brain trauma

narcissist (in the spirit of one who has full-blown narcissistic personality disorder) - quite probably a sub-class of psychopaths

Does that sound like the right track? I don't want to simplify a complex subject too much.
 
Re: Sociopathy, as defined in the book Snakes in Suits

Hi Patience,

I believe your definitions are correct, at least that's how I understand these 4 categories.
 
Psychopaths in Treatment?

I had the unexpected pleasure of having a nice conversation with a nurse at a psychiatric clinic who works at a major hospital last evening, and connected one very big dot (for me at least, probably covered here a lot already) regarding psychopathy. I found her to be quite well informed regarding various dis-orders, and so I asked her how many psychopaths she was seeing. She laughed, and said “None, they are all too busy out there proving how great they are to everyone.”

I was taken aback by this, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized just how correct she may be. She said that sometimes psychopaths can act out enough to hurt someone and get caught, or she said, sometimes they have other problems that get them in, but that getting a diagnosis or getting one into treatment is very difficult. Does this jive with other folk’s ideas? Thanks!
 
Re: Psychopaths in Treatment?

Pretty much. Or they are in positions of power making laws to protect their own kind, misdirecting research, getting all their fellows into positions where what they like to do - killing, maiming, stealing - is legal. That about sums it up.
 

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