Iodine and Potassium Iodide

Gaby said:
Timótheos said:
I was having trouble understanding why so many websites were in favour of Nascent Iodine (I2-) over the KI iodide salt, and I did a search on "bioavailability" between to the two and found the following...

I wonder if it is marketing?

Seems to be marketing. Notice that they sell it on their own website:

To me, this is by far the best iodine supplement to use and the one I recommend is the product Detoxadine.

With embedded link to:
_http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/nascent-iodine-detoxadine.html

He then, in his two other recommendations following his promo for his product just repeats what is on the guide PDF.

2) Lugol’s Solution Iodine:

Contains 6.3 mg of molecular iodine/iodide per drop. This solution is one-third molecular iodine (5%) and two-thirds potassium iodide (10%). Studies show that the best form of iodine is one that includes molecular iodine (I2). It has been shown that breast tissue prefers this non-toxic mono elemental-based iodine. Lugol’s Solution has been shown to increase respiratory tract secretions and inhibit thyroid hormone secretion. One Malaysian study found that patients taking Lugol’s solution experienced a sharp decline in unwanted hormonal secretions during a period of ten days.
3) Potassium Iodide:

Comes in tablets, with servings ranging from 0.23 to 130 mg. This closely-bound inorganic form of iodine has been shown to only offer 20% assimilation to bodily tissues. Studies show that potassium iodide blocks the uptake of radio-iodine in the thyroid gland, thus lowering the chances of developing thyroid cancer [2]. Moreover, potassium iodide has been used in emergency treatments for hyperthyroidism (PDF) [3].

So there is a serious disconnect between his BELIEF that some kind of atomically boosted microgram of iodine/iodide is gonna do the job versus products with milligrams/grams.
 
Timótheos said:
"(...) potassium iodide has been used in emergency treatments for hyperthyroidism."

Apparently the combination of iodine and potassium iodide known as Lugol's solution is successfully used to treat both too low (hypo) and too high (hyper) thyroid conditions. If so, that's very interesting.

One of my cats has developed hyperthyroidism, according to my vet, and has been given an expensive prescription of 5mg (chewable) methimazole twice a day for the rest of his life. If purchased at the vet, it costs $37.50 per month, and while it's available at the local supermarket it still costs $16 a month there.

I have found methimazole powder at Fludan for much less, but that's still relatively expensive at $55 for 5g. I might try giving Sonny a couple of drops of 2% Lugol's solution twice a day, see if that helps him. If it does, that'll be cheaper, and better than relying upon and supporting the evil pharmaceutical industry.
 
Laura said:
On the other hand, this guide:
http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf

says:

Forms of Iodine
There are a few things to consider when looking for a supplement to get iodine. Does the product contain both iodine and iodide? The body needs both forms. Different parts of the body look for one of the specific forms. For instance the breasts look for iodine and the thyroid needs iodide. It was previously thought that the body could convert iodine to iodide and vice versa but in actuality this does not work. Another important consideration is finding a product that provides milligram (Mg) dosages vs. microgram (Mcg) amounts. Microgram amounts will offer little to no health benefits. These products also tend to be very expensive compared to Lugol’s.

A. Recommended Forms

1. Lugol’s liquid –Iodine / Potassium Iodide – 2% and 5% solutions. 2% solution is 2.5 mgs / drop. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs /drop.

2. Iodoral – Lugol’s formula in pill form – Iodine / Potassium Iodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs

3. Biotics Research Iodizyme – 12.5 mgs per tablet of Iodine / Iodide

4. Tri-Iodine by Vitaminlife – 12.5 mgs per tablet of Iodine / Iodide
.
B. Not Recommended

1. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified, or Atomidine) – Based on Edgar Cayce’s “energized” iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 microgram (mcg) or .150 mg of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have. This form of iodine is not recommended on this protocol as the goal is tissue saturation and halide detoxification/protection.

2. Iosol – 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine only – this form of iodine is not recommended. It is microgram dosages and has the same issues that Nascent iodine (above) has.

3. Prolamine (Standard Process) – This product has 3 mgs Iodine and 20 mgs of Calcium. The iodine dosage in this product is too low to adequately detox the body from halides or saturate the tissues of the body.

4. Pure Encapsulations, Solray, Source Naturals, Progressive Labs, and NOW all offer microgram dosage supplements of iodide only.

5. Kelp – Kelp supplements are not recommended for addressing a low iodine status. Kelp has been found to be toxic in arsenic and halides. It is also impossible to know the iodine content. It would not supply enough iodine to assist in tissue saturation and detoxification.

Well, if the body uses both forms for different things than using Lugol's or Iodoral would be the best bet, and both are also widely available on Amazon. And yes, there is some self-directed marketing going on there with his microgram nascent solution. I should have looked into it closer. That last link I posted for the 99% pure I2 Iodine powder appears to be the concentrated chemical and could be used perhaps if we wanted to make our own Lugols solution, or to supplement along with the 130mg KI capsules.
 
The pure iodine powder won't make Lugol's unless you add potassium iodide. Both of them together are better as the pdf explains that some tissues prefer iodide over iodine and vice versa.

The nascent iodine reminds me of the marketing of the types of colloidal silver vs making your own. It sounds like a lot of pseudoscience mumbo jumbo like when I read about free energy devices.

Plus, I doubt that through evolution we would normally get iodine in that form.
 
A couple of articles discussing the bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin and reliability of skin testing for iodine deficiency.

The bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin

by Guy E. Abraham, M.D.

I have decided to write a series of manuscripts on the most commonly asked questions about iodine. These manuscripts will be displayed on our website. This report is the first of this series. I have often been asked: 1) Is the application of iodine to the skin an acceptable way to supplement iodine? 2) Are there any data confirming the validity of the iodine skin patch test to assess body sufficiency for iodine? The interpretation commonly used to assess the results of the iodine skin patch test: The faster the yellow color of iodine disappears from the skin, the more iodine deficient the person tested; and vise versa: if the yellow color lingers, the more sufficient in iodine the person tested.

A review of the published literature is required to answer the above questions. The bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin is well known. Over 100 years ago, application of iodine to the skin was used extensively for iodine supplementation. In 1932, Nyiri and Jannitti (1) from the College of Pharmacy of Rutgers University wrote:

"Iodine is being used extensively as a prophylactic and therapeutic agent by application to the outer integument, (For the reader’s information, that is the skin) and has maintained its place in medicine for many decades. Its use by external application is merely on an empirical basis; very little proof of its efficacy has been obtained by experimental work. The main question as to whether or not iodine passes through the unbroken human and animal skin has not been conclusively answered."

In order to assess the bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin, these investigators used 44 rabbits and 6 dogs, not human subjects.

"Although the question of iodine penetration has been studied extensively especially during the second half of the last century, no satisfactory conclusion has been reached because the techniques of the various experiments were not fully reliable. Considering the increasing biological significance of the outer integument (Klose (30), Unna (31), Vollmer (32), Urbach (33)) and the wide spread medicinal use of iodine on the skin, we made a series of experiments about the fate of iodine applied to the skin; thereby studying the possibility of penetration of free iodine, its fate in the body, its elimination, and its conditions of evaporation for the surface. We carried out the experiments on six dogs and forty-four rabbits."

To summarize the results of their experiments:

1. Free iodine penetrates through the unbroken skin.
2. Approximately 88 per cent of the iodine evaporate from the surface within three days.
3. Colloidal iodine evaporates somewhat more quickly than tincture of iodine; Lugol’s solution is more stable than either of them.
4. The influence of ambient temperature on the evaporation of iodine is significant: within the first minute, the losses of iodine by evaporation are: 10-15% at 9° c; 18-25% at 24° c; and 35% at 37° c.
5. The remaining iodine on the skin following evaporation of 88% of the total iodine, approximately 12 per cent, is at the disposal of the body, and penetrates through the skin. The bioavailability of the remaining 12% of the skin iodine is very gradual.
6. The fate of iodine in all above experiments is the same whether iodine is applied to the skin in the form of an alcoholic solution or in colloidal suspension. (For the reader’s information, the alcoholic solution is tincture of iodine and the colloidal suspension is a saturated aqueous solution of diatomic iodine, I2 ).


The authors concluded (1):

"Our quantitative determinations prove that iodine which penetrates through the skin is removed only slowly from within this area into the body, thus forming an iodine depot in the skin for several days. In this prolonged retention of iodine within the skin, we see a favorable condition for a possible local prophylactic and therapeutic action."

The above conclusions apply to rabbits and dogs, but not to human subjects. The best study of the bioavailability of iodine applied to the skin in normal human subjects was reported by Miller et al in 1989 (2). The purpose of Miller’s study was to assess the effectiveness of skin application of iodine in blocking radioiodide uptake by the thyroid gland. The subjects used in this study were 24 adult male volunteers aged from 21 to 51 years. These subjects were divided into 4 groups of 6 subjects each. One groups served as control and did not receive stable iodine. The other subjects in the remaining 3 groups received respectively 130 mgm KI orally equivalent to approximately 100 mg iodide; 80 mg iodine (tincture) on the skin; and 160 mg iodine on the skin. All 24 subjects ingested 131I labeled NaI and radioiodide thyroid uptake was measured at time 2 hr, 6 hr, and 24 hr post- ingestion of radioactive iodide and stable iodine. Serum inorganic iodide levels were measured at time zero, 2 hr, 6 hr and 24 hr post intervention. 24 hr radioiodide uptake by the thyroid gland as percent of dose administered was used to assess the effectiveness of iodine in blocking radioiodide uptake by the thyroid. The 24 hr percent radioiodide uptake by the thyroid gland were: control: 10.9 ± 2.9 (SD) oral KI: 0.34 ± 0.26; skin 80 mg iodine = 7 ± 5.5%; and skin 160 mg iodine = 2.0 ± 2.5%. Prior to administration of stable iodine the mean serum iodide in the 3 intervention groups were: 0.024 mg/L; 0.033 mg/L; and 0.02 mg/L. The mean of the 3 mean values is 0.026 mg/L.

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Under steady state conditions, the computed daily intake of iodine based on serum iodide is equal to the product of serum iodide times 43.5 L/day, which is the renal clearance of iodide (3). The estimated average daily intake of iodine by this group of men is: 0.026 mg/L × 43.5 L/day = 1.13 mg/day. This daily intake may be due to the iodization of bread in the 1960’s, 1970’s and in some states in the 1980’s. The estimated daily intake of iodine during that time in the U.S.A. was 1 mg (4). This computed daily intake in Miller’s subjects is in agreement with the mean percent radioiodide uptake by the thyroid gland in this group of subjects with a mean of 10.9. By interpolation on Fig. 2 of Reference 5, 10.9% uptake corresponds to an average intake of approximately 1.5 mg iodine (See Fig. 1).

The two questions mentioned previously can now be answered:

I. Is the cutaneous route of iodine supplementation practical and effective?

II. Does the skin iodine patch test give a reliable indication of whole body sufficiency for iodine?

To answer the first question, we will use the data in the six subjects who were exposed to 160 mg iodine via cutaneous application, because the mean serum iodide levels were relatively constant over the 24 hr period: 0.27 mg/L at 2 hr; 0.2 mg/L at 6 hr and 0.24 mg/L at 24 hr post intervention. The mean value of the 3 means is 0.24 mg/L iodide. The average amount of iodine bioavailable in these 6 subjects would be the product of the serum iodide levels by the renal clearance of iodide, that is 43.5 L/day (3). 0.24 mg iodide/L × 43.5 L/day = 10.4 mg. The percent of bioavailable iodine from 160 mg applied to the skin is 10.4 x 100 / 160 = 6.5%. If the data reported by Nyiri and Jannitti (1) in dogs can be extrapolated to humans, that is 12% of the applied iodine was available for utilization by the body, with 88% evaporated; then some 50% of the remaining skin depot of iodine was available during the first 24 hrs following skin exposure to iodine. One can conclude that skin application of iodine is an effective if not efficient and practical way for supplementation of iodine with an expected bioavailability of 6 to 12% of the total iodine applied to the skin. The serum iodide levels were 10 times higher 2 hr post intervention with oral ingestion of 100 mg iodide than with 160 mg iodine applied to the skin(Fig. 2).

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From the published data, the skin iodine patch test is not a reliable method to assess whole body sufficiency for iodine. Many factors play a role in the disappearance of the yellow color of iodine from the surface of the skin. For example, if iodine is reduced to iodide by the skin, the yellow color of iodine will disappear because iodide is white. In order to regenerate iodine on the skin, one needs to apply an oxidant such as hydrogen peroxide, complicating the test further. The evaporation of iodine from the skin increases with increased ambient temperatures and decreased atmospheric pressure due to weather conditions and altitude. For example, the yellow color of iodine will disappear much faster in Denver, Colorado at 5,000 feet above sea level then Los Angeles, California at sea level, irrespective of the amount of bioavailable iodine. The iodine/iodide loading test (4) is much more accurate and it is now available from laboratories.

References

Nyiri, W., Jannitti, M., About the fate of free iodine upon application to the unbroken animal skin. An experimental study. J. Pharmacd. Exp. Ther., 45:85-107, 1932.
Miller, K.L., Coen, P.E., White, W.J., et al, Effectiveness of Skin Absorption of Tincture of I in Blocking Radioiodine from the Human Thyroid Gland. Health Physics, 56:911-914, 1989.
Abraham, G.E.: The concept of orthoiodosupplementation and its clinical implications. The Original Internist, 11:29-38, 2004.
Abraham, G.E., The safe and effective implementation of orthoiodosupplementation in medical practice. The Original Internist, 11:17-36, 2004.
Abraham, G.E., Flechas, J.D., Hakala, J.C., Orthoiodosupplementation: Iodine sufficiency of the whole human body. The Original Internist, 9:30-41, 2002
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm
PDF version: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD23.pdf


Topic: Disappearing Iodine Test

A Reader Writes:

A friend of mine was just diagnosed with a possible thyroid disorder (her test was in the form of a drop of iodine on her arm and watching how fast it disappeared). Her chiropractor suggested she start off by taking something called Thyroid Helper which can be found at ..... Have you ever heard of this and do you know how effective it might be?

David Derry Responds:

The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything. The iodine disappearance rate is unrelated to thyroid disease or even iodine content of the body.(1-2) Meticulous research by Nyiri and Jannitti in 1932 showed clearly when iodine is applied to the skin in almost any form, 50% evaporates into the air within 2 hours and between 75 and 80 percent evaporates into the air within 24 hours. (1) A total of 88 percent evaporates within 3 days and it is at this point that the evaporation stops. The remaining 12 percent that is absorbed into the skin has several fates. Only 1-4% of the total iodine applied to the skin is absorbed into the blood stream within the first few hours. The rest of the iodine within the skin (8-11%) is slowly released from the skin into the blood stream.

However Nyiri and Jannitti's findings that “The percentage of iodine penetration through the skin is the same, irrespective of whether the cells have a high or low vitality, or are dead, and irrespective of the direction of penetration" have important implications for iodine functions in the body, skin, pregnancy and fetus and also for the therapeutic use of topical and oral iodine. Iodine would be the only compound of significance during early pregnancy which can pass rapidly through all tissues of the fetus without the aid of any blood vessel or lymphatic transport. It could be that not only does iodine control natural cell death (apoptosis) (5) in the fetus but may also influences stem cell development.

Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on body organs. From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine (Lugol’s) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with new skin minus the lesion. There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective. Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar formation.

My parents’ generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a fresh wound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not the best way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is much more effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after a scab has been formed. The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of the tissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns of all depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest there is an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3)

All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6)

It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue areas of relative iodine deficiency. Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the "keloid" (worm) incision scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't happen (7). In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions. Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned to normal with topical Lugol's.

One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to a famous person occurred in the American Civil War.

"On September 29, 1862, Colonel John B. Gordon held the center of General Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The first volley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf of Gordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles of his thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendons and mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving a wad of clothing embedded in its track. Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firing line, "with", as he says himself, "but little of my usual strength", a fifth ball struck him squarely in the face.

Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medical arrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, and prescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three or four times a day. The case was unpromising. Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed, the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to make matters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had set in on the left arm.

Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and she was then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on her instructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day, but, as Gordon himself says: "I think three to four hundred time a day." Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived, outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, and Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in 1904." (10)

I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way to deliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites. Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughout his body. As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of the infections. At the same time local repeated application to the wound sites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells (Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing. Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiri’s and Jannetti’s studies confirm why Fanny’s method of treatment worked so brilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a "flesh-eating disease" should respond quickly to topical iodine treatment practiced by Fanny. Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get started --such as in West Nile Fever. Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well. For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8) In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again.

There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or use for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine was done before the Medline search facilities were available. Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenously without side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this may have for many cancer patients or even other diseases.

I hope these concepts help.
David

References

1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 45:85-107, 1932.
2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932.
3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V., Collins,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999. Page 91. and page 434.
4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics, disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization, Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277.
5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breast cancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast Cancer Conference, Victoria BC June 4-6, 2002..
6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it. Trafford Publishing Victoria, Canada. 2001 page 89.
7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA 101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139
8. Clark WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self ) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. Acta Oncol 1995; 34:3-21.
9. Clark WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer 1991; 64:631-644. 10. Kelly,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since its discovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961.
11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. Alexander,W.D.. Clinical aspects of iodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Davis Company, 1964.
12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid 4 (3):351-356, 1994.
13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1 (1):59-63, 1990.
14. Paul,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S., Ingbar,S.H. Braverman,L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietary iodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism. 37:121-124, 1988.
15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine. Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm
 
Thank you very much for this thread Laura and all of you for this precious informations and links on Iodine and Iodide!

Laura said:
For the higher doses, it is probably more economical and efficient to take the higher mg capsules such as:

http://www.biovea.com/fr/product_detail.aspx?PID=2686&OS=244

130 mg. One or two of those and a drop or two of the Lugol's per day looks like the ticket for peeps who have serious conditions. They can go higher if it is indicated. For others, non-sickies, the 65 mg sizes can be had also. Otherwise, you are taking loads of pills and loads of drops to get up to the recommended 50 mg per day!

I have ordered Lugol's 5% and this from Biovea (130 mg). Thank you for the link :flowers:
 
istina said:
Thank you very much for this thread Laura and all of you for this precious informations and links on Iodine and Iodide!

Laura said:
For the higher doses, it is probably more economical and efficient to take the higher mg capsules such as:

http://www.biovea.com/fr/product_detail.aspx?PID=2686&OS=244

130 mg. One or two of those and a drop or two of the Lugol's per day looks like the ticket for peeps who have serious conditions. They can go higher if it is indicated. For others, non-sickies, the 65 mg sizes can be had also. Otherwise, you are taking loads of pills and loads of drops to get up to the recommended 50 mg per day!

I have ordered Lugol's 5% and this from Biovea (130 mg). Thank you for the link :flowers:

You can increase the lugol's drops for your situation.
 
I've been applying a 12% Lugol's solution straight onto my ever lasting rash - it actually seems like the skin is being damaged, but after reading this yesterday ...
Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on body organs. From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine (Lugol’s) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with new skin minus the lesion. There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective. Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar formation.

I kind of understand why it looks so weird! It stains quite a bit too, but comes off within a day or so. A link that Gaby sent me suggests to apply Vitamin E at the same time too, so it heals up the area more quickly and prevents it from staying dry (it gets VERY dry). The solution also does sting, especially if I've itched that area recently.

So far so good though!
Thank you for all the info!
 
Not sure that I would use iodine on a rash. Better to cure it from within.
 
Laura said:
Not sure that I would use iodine on a rash. Better to cure it from within.

I agree with this but I have used it topically with no issues.

I have had a similar rash for a while on the lower body that did not respond to diet changes but did respond well to thrush cream. I put 12% on topically and also been taking 8 drops (roughly 50mg) internally - FWIW it seems to be working quite well, but either method could be responsible.

I've also started putting it on at night some weird facial rashes that I've had for years.

Might as well experiment since there are so many good things said about iodine, IMO.
 
Carl said:
I put 12% on topically and also been taking 8 drops (roughly 50mg) internally - FWIW it seems to be working quite well, but either method could be responsible.

If you're using 12% Lugol's, then you're probably getting a lot more than 50mg unless the drops are really small. 8 drops of 5% Lugol's is approximately 50mg, but 8 drops of 12% Lugol's is approximately 120mg.

From _http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf:

Lugol’s - How many milligrams per drop?

Iodoral 50 mg = Iodine 20 mg, Iodide 30 mg
Iodoral 12.5 mg = Iodine 5 mg, Iodide 7.5 mg
Lugol's 5% = Iodine 2.5 mg, Iodide 3.75 mg = 6.25 mgs total per drop
Lugol's 2% = Iodine 1.0 mg, Iodide 1. 5 mg = 2.5 mgs total per drop

According to those numbers, 12% of Lugol's iodine should contain 15 mg of iodine (approximately 6 mg iodine, 9 mg potassium iodide) per vertical drop
 
Laura said:
istina said:
Thank you very much for this thread Laura and all of you for this precious informations and links on Iodine and Iodide!

Laura said:
For the higher doses, it is probably more economical and efficient to take the higher mg capsules such as:

http://www.biovea.com/fr/product_detail.aspx?PID=2686&OS=244

130 mg. One or two of those and a drop or two of the Lugol's per day looks like the ticket for peeps who have serious conditions. They can go higher if it is indicated. For others, non-sickies, the 65 mg sizes can be had also. Otherwise, you are taking loads of pills and loads of drops to get up to the recommended 50 mg per day!

I have ordered Lugol's 5% and this from Biovea (130 mg). Thank you for the link :flowers:

You can increase the lugol's drops for your situation.

I might read this the wrong way, but looking at the ingredients-list on the 130mg tabl. it says Amount Per Serving
• Potassium 130mg
(From Potassium Iodide and Chloride)
Supplying 80mg Elemental Potassium
• Iodine 3.75mg
(From Potassium Iodide)

Only 3.75mg iodine per tablet? Maybe iodoral is is a better option?
 
Foxx said:
Carl said:
I put 12% on topically and also been taking 8 drops (roughly 50mg) internally - FWIW it seems to be working quite well, but either method could be responsible.

If you're using 12% Lugol's, then you're probably getting a lot more than 50mg unless the drops are really small. 8 drops of 5% Lugol's is approximately 50mg, but 8 drops of 12% Lugol's is approximately 120mg.

From _http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf:

Lugol’s - How many milligrams per drop?

Iodoral 50 mg = Iodine 20 mg, Iodide 30 mg
Iodoral 12.5 mg = Iodine 5 mg, Iodide 7.5 mg
Lugol's 5% = Iodine 2.5 mg, Iodide 3.75 mg = 6.25 mgs total per drop
Lugol's 2% = Iodine 1.0 mg, Iodide 1. 5 mg = 2.5 mgs total per drop

According to those numbers, 12% of Lugol's iodine should contain 15 mg of iodine (approximately 6 mg iodine, 9 mg potassium iodide) per vertical drop

The bottle says:
1 metric drop contains 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide. They must be smaller drops in this one - 1 drop is measured as 1ml/20.
 
birk said:
I might read this the wrong way, but looking at the ingredients-list on the 130mg tabl. it says Amount Per Serving
• Potassium 130mg
(From Potassium Iodide and Chloride)
Supplying 80mg Elemental Potassium
• Iodine 3.75mg
(From Potassium Iodide)

Only 3.75mg iodine per tablet? Maybe iodoral is is a better option?

Or like Laura said, you can use more drops of the lugol's solution. The idoral actually costs more per mg than the drops in many cases.
 
Altair said:
Thank you, Gaby. Here are 2 important points from the link you provided:

Don’t take iodine at the same time as Vitamin C - which will negate disinfectant effect of iodine; Take vitamin C at least 2 hours before or after taking Lugol’ solution.

♦ Antidotes for iodine overdose

√ Chocolate or cocoa - high in bromine which displaces iodine;
√ Vitamin C – take ¼ tsp. (~2.5g) in juice or water

_http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/NEWSTARTS/1_NUTRITION/MINERALS/IODINE/HOW_TO_SUPPLEMENT/lugols_dosage_chart.aspx

It seems that other than taking your vitamin C far away from your iodine dose, vitamin C has also been used to repair iodine transporting mechanisms:

#10: Vitamin C Helps Improve Defective Iodine Retention

[Drs. Guy Abraham and David Brownstein] In an article titled, Evidence That the Administration of Vitamin C
Improves a Defective Cellular Transport Mechanism for Iodine: A Case Report, Drs. Abraham and Brownstein
describe a case of woman with cellular iodide transport damage who responded to three months of Vitamin C
therapy (3 grams per day
) that was alternated with iodine supplementation every other day (Note: The box titled, Vitamin C Powder Makes Iodine Stains Disappear explains why Vitamin C and iodine should not be taken together).

Vitamin C was important only in that it repaired iodine transport. Iodine bio-availability has the priority and is emphasized in this protocol.
 

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