Is Coffee Good or Bad for you?

Gandalf said:
loreta said:
This tea, like gold, is what we take in Muslim countries. My favorite. But I don't have the practice and my friends are not here anymore with me.

As the C's said "Learning is fun" and with time and practice, you will be as good as your friends.

Read that article this morning from _http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/health-benefits-tea#

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Tea began as a medicine and grew into a beverage ~ Kakuzo Okakura, Book of Tea

We can imagine that, before the advent of civilization, with all its familiar trappings of pyrotechnology and pottery, tea leaves (which are quite bitter) would not have been nibbled on for recreation. Likely they would have been used only occasionally in small amounts, for the purposes of harnessing their intensely concentrated medicinal properties. Only later, as Okakura ruminated, would tea be consumed regularly in the form of a drinkable infusion.

The beauty of tea's transition from a medicine to a beverage is that drinking tea in small amounts daily, may prevent the need for using 'heroic' megadoses of green tea at any time later in life after a serious disease sets in. Food (and beverage) is medicine, assuredly, but it is best used preventively – in small, hopefully enjoyable, doses -- before a problem digs in its roots.

So, what are the health benefits of tea, particularly green tea? We think of it as an antioxidant, and indeed, of the 69 beneficial 'pharmacological actions' we have identified tea possessing on our natural medicine database project thus far, reduction of oxidative stress is top on the list. But what of the other 68 actions mentioned?

Did you know that green tea is capable of reducing the formation of the fat cells known as adipocytes (anti-adipogenic), which is one reason why it has been studied for its possible ameliorative role in weight gain and obesity.[ii] Green tea has also been found to modulate AMP-activated protein kinase which reduces fatty acid and cholesterol synthesis, as well as gluconeogensis (the production of sugar from protein in the liver).[iii]

Or, did you know that green tea has been studied for its ability to slow the aging process? Daily consumption of green tea catechin delays memory regression and brain dysfunction in aged mice.[iv] [v] Green tea has also been found to prevent photoaging of the skin,[vi] and potentially have a rejuvenating effect.[vii]

Green tea has also been found to induce programmed cell death (apoptosis) in a variety of cancer cell lines, including colorectal, breast, endometrial, skin, brain, gastrointestinal, prostate, and leukemic.[viii]

We are only at potential beneficial action #4 of 69. Shall we go on? The problem is not a lack of research supporting the health benefits of green tea, rather, that there are too many to list. Back in 1971, the US National Library of Medicine's bibliographic citation database Medline lists one study published in a peer-reviewed journal on the topic. This year alone, 440 articles were published so far on green tea's pharmacological properties. In total, Medline contains 4,826 referenced citations on green tea research. We have spent a considerable amount of time organizing a key fraction of this research, in connection with green tea's beneficial role in over 240 health conditions. You can view the research on our page dedicated to this remarkable plant here: Evidence-Based Health Benefits of Green Tea.

It should be noted that black tea is simply baked or oxidized green tea. And yet it still retains significant medicinal activity, including potent antioxidant activity.[ix] While there is less research available on MEDLINE on black tea's health benefits, we have indexed close to 50 health conditions that may benefit from its consumption and which can be viewed here: Evidence-Based Health Benefits of Black Tea.

If a simple action like drinking tea can protect us against possibly hundreds of potential health problems, as well as give us a much needed respite from our daily activities in the act of preparing, drinking, or sharing tea, then perhaps we should aspire to drink a cup sometime soon again.



Very interesting article. But someone said here, in another thread that green tea it is not so good. So I don't know anymore.

What I know is that the Oolong tea is delicious. I bought a box of it yesterday, at the Chinese store. I also bought a very simple Chinese tea-pot. Now I have to buy some fancy cups, Victorian style. :) The Oolong tea is really good, very thirst-quenching. This will help me to reduce coffee. I don't take too many cups of coffee by day but I am addicted to it. I don't like that. But the risk is to becoming addicted to Oolong tea. ;)
 
loreta said:
But the risk is to becoming addicted to Oolong tea. ;)

Well that's a good addiction. :lol:

All the teas going from the green to the white and to the black come from the same three, the tea three. The only difference between a green tea and a black tea is the fact that the green tea has not been oxidized (closed to 0%) while the black tea has been oxidized to the maximun (closed to 100% if such thing is possible)

As far as the oolong tea is concerned, the oxidation goes from 10% to 80% (those numbers are just to give you an idea of the process).

And the white tea has the same oxidation that the green tea (0%) but instead of having just leaves, the bugs are included in it.
 
Moderate amounts of coffee in the morning (no cream) are still helping me, although I didn't expect it would work the same way for everyone. In addition to helping "move" things, it seems to support weight loss, something that others elsewhere have reported as well. I don't have a ketone meter yet but it doesn't appear to affect my blood sugar, which I do measure.

I have confirmed that for me the beneficial range is about 10-20 oz. per day. More than that was not bad, but it wasn't better either.
 
I was a coffee adict most of my life and I stopped a little over a year ago. I replaced it with chickory, and then to tea. Thought I was doing great until I saw my denist and they wanted to know what the heck I had been up to. They showed me pictures of how dark my teeth had gotten in just 6 months! It was shocking and gross. So I gave up ALL morning vices.

Coffee was so hard to give up that I will never ever try it again. If I want something that bad all the time it cant be good...at least for me anyway. :evil:
I even have a friend that just started working at starbucks and offered us free teas,coffees, and what not, and I swear I heard a growl of something say yes inside me, but luckily my mouth said no thankyou. Even writing this makes me think mmmmm warm coffee yummm! :rolleyes:
 
loreta said:
What I know is that the Oolong tea is delicious.

It sure is, I’m very glad at having been introduced to it too. :thup:

I haven’t joined in the coffee experiment yet and probably won’t. I would agree with the thought as Laura mentioned earlier in the thread that the attraction to coffee was it’s ability to give a boost in the morning to a depleted system. Getting things back into balance slowly on that score seems to balance out any cravings or need for it.
 
I bough today a very beautiful cup of tea in Portugal for my Oolong tea. Then I saw some tea sets, Victorian style, they were fantastic, wow! And the prices also were fantastic, between 200 euros to 500! My, my. Tea pots at that price surely have to give an extraordinary tea. ;D (It is a joke) One day I will have one. For now I will try also the White tea in my simple Chinese pot tea.
 
loreta said:
I bough today a very beautiful cup of tea in Portugal for my Oolong tea. Then I saw some tea sets, Victorian style, they were fantastic, wow! And the prices also were fantastic, between 200 euros to 500! My, my. Tea pots at that price surely have to give an extraordinary tea. ;D (It is a joke) One day I will have one. For now I will try also the White tea in my simple Chinese pot tea.

The local tea shop here sells old china cup and saucer sets, very pretty, for about 10 to 20 USD, depending on what kind of china it is.

Afternoon tea is fun: I'm adding in EE to make it nice break in the day.
 
Alada said:
loreta said:
What I know is that the Oolong tea is delicious.

It sure is, I’m very glad at having been introduced to it too. :thup:

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I can go along with this too. :) Today I discovered my local tea and coffee emporium, and had a pot of Oolong tea, I was pleasantly surprised how good it tasted, and bought a bag to bring home to drink. :) Tyhey also roast coffee beans too :) a good find.
 
Horseofadifferentcolor said:
I was a coffee adict most of my life and I stopped a little over a year ago. I replaced it with chickory, and then to tea. Thought I was doing great until I saw my denist and they wanted to know what the heck I had been up to. They showed me pictures of how dark my teeth had gotten in just 6 months! It was shocking and gross. So I gave up ALL morning vices.

My husband used to work with a guy who had the whitest teeth I'd ever seen. I asked him what he did and he said all he does is rinse with hydrogen peroxide. My husband has gum problems and he does the same thing, says to mix it half and half with water and hold/swish it in your mouth for maybe 5-10 minutes. Cheap teeth whitening! :lol:
 
After going all in on the paleo diet, I quit all tea and coffee for the several months long detox. I found later that I can tolerate black tea very well. I had a period of irregularity a couple of years ago when starting the low carb/high fat regimen. I would swing back and forth between diarrhea and constipation. After a two day period of constipation, when no amount of vitamin C would get things moving, I began having a cup of Cuban coffee, which is flavorful but mild. That did the trick, and as long as I had no more than a cup every week or so, things were fine. But I tried a late morning cup for a few days in a row and the mid day fatigue factor set in. Mandatory afternoon naps.

Having been a long time coffee addict, I now find I really prefer a variety of teas. I grow my own mint and peppermint. I also grow my own stevia. I think that a combination infusion of mint and stevia leaf might be a winner. I'll try it after dinner tonight. I discovered that peppermint tea is a powerful diuretic. The first pot I made was so good that I had several cups. I was up for toilet trips almost every hour that night. The regular mint tea does not seem to have that effect.
 
Mrs. Peel said:
Horseofadifferentcolor said:
I was a coffee adict most of my life and I stopped a little over a year ago. I replaced it with chickory, and then to tea. Thought I was doing great until I saw my denist and they wanted to know what the heck I had been up to. They showed me pictures of how dark my teeth had gotten in just 6 months! It was shocking and gross. So I gave up ALL morning vices.

My husband used to work with a guy who had the whitest teeth I'd ever seen. I asked him what he did and he said all he does is rinse with hydrogen peroxide. My husband has gum problems and he does the same thing, says to mix it half and half with water and hold/swish it in your mouth for maybe 5-10 minutes. Cheap teeth whitening! :lol:

Thanks Mrs Peel. I will give this a go.
 
Horseofadifferentcolor said:
Mrs. Peel said:
Horseofadifferentcolor said:
I was a coffee adict most of my life and I stopped a little over a year ago. I replaced it with chickory, and then to tea. Thought I was doing great until I saw my denist and they wanted to know what the heck I had been up to. They showed me pictures of how dark my teeth had gotten in just 6 months! It was shocking and gross. So I gave up ALL morning vices.

My husband used to work with a guy who had the whitest teeth I'd ever seen. I asked him what he did and he said all he does is rinse with hydrogen peroxide. My husband has gum problems and he does the same thing, says to mix it half and half with water and hold/swish it in your mouth for maybe 5-10 minutes. Cheap teeth whitening! :lol:

Thanks Mrs Peel. I will give this a go.

Just a heads-up: while hydrogen peroxide will definitely whiten your teeth, it can react to any metals in your mouth (especially concerning if you have amalgam fillings) and maybe even other materials (I'm not sure e.g. porcelain or plastics). So make sure if you have metal in your mouth to avoid any contact of the hydrogen peroxide with the metals (and maybe even any other dental materials).

If I remember correctly, they sell hydrogen peroxide gel preparations for whitening teeth. This way you can put the gel on the teeth and avoid contact with metal in your mouth (still have to be careful). Just thought I'd mention this for anyone with metal in their mouth to be aware.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Just a heads-up: while hydrogen peroxide will definitely whiten your teeth, it can react to any metals in your mouth (especially concerning if you have amalgam fillings) and maybe even other materials (I'm not sure e.g. porcelain or plastics). So make sure if you have metal in your mouth to avoid any contact of the hydrogen peroxide with the metals (and maybe even any other dental materials).

If I remember correctly, they sell hydrogen peroxide gel preparations for whitening teeth. This way you can put the gel on the teeth and avoid contact with metal in your mouth (still have to be careful). Just thought I'd mention this for anyone with metal in their mouth to be aware.

Yes, it can react with the metals, but the only thing it does is oxydize them a bit which blackens them (even silver). You really don't want that if you have amalgams.

One thing I've found that works really well is daily brushing with salt and baking soda half an half. I just have a jar of it dry, dip the wet toothbrush in to pick up a glob, and a good brushing. If stains have built up, it may take brushing twice a day for two or three days to remove it all (you don't want to be too aggressive with your teeth). You can put xylitol in the mix too, and a few drops of mint oil for a really nice mixture.
 
Mrs. Peel said:
My husband used to work with a guy who had the whitest teeth I'd ever seen. I asked him what he did and he said all he does is rinse with hydrogen peroxide. My husband has gum problems and he does the same thing, says to mix it half and half with water and hold/swish it in your mouth for maybe 5-10 minutes. Cheap teeth whitening! :lol:

You can also get your own professional cleaning dental set cheaply from amazon for those stains that are stubborn to go away.
 
Turgon
Also interesting to note that neither you or dugdeep smoke, yet had positive effects from coffee. Both are considered stimulants so maybe there's a certain interplay between the two. Like too many stimulants taken together or near each other can later lead to a drop in dopamine, hence the negative effects :huh:

This is interesting as I also do not smoke and appear to experience some positive effects from coffee. I have been a moderate coffee drinker for over forty years of about two 10-12 oz mugs of regular to mild strength coffee in the morning, with an occasional early afternoon cup if I am going to be up late. I am an early morning person and have rarely had difficulty falling asleep at night--only if I have been deeply worried about something have I had trouble getting to sleep. But, before I went on the Paleo diet, two and a half years ago, I would often often wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble getting getting back to sleep. But since the diet I sleep soundly for about 6-7 hours. Again, occasionally deep worry (which is rare since EE, more Forum participation, and the diet) will interfere with sleeping. Coffee has never appeared to make much difference with my sleeping habits.

I was off coffee for a couple of months this summer and drank black tea to see what the effects might be. I had no headaches or suffering while trying to quit--I simply decreased the coffee and added black tea for about a week, then full tea only with a smidge of xylatol. Physically I did not notice a difference, but mentally, I felt kind of "downshifted" into a lower gear. I did not really notice it until September when I was back into the classroom and found it a little difficult to maintain the mental dexterity, quick connections of thought and recall, and energy necessary to hold the attention of a class of 20 for an hour and a half in the afternoon and evening. This semester all my classes are back to back so I am teaching for almost three hours at a time with only ten minutes in between.

Although, the most noticeable, incredible actually, increase in my energy and mental clarity has come with the food diet changes, coffee seems to add a little extra spark during the afternoons and evenings when I am naturally more mellow. So, I have added it back. I am back to two cups of coffee in the morning and sometimes tea in the afternoons, which I really enjoy too in my special lovely china tea cup with xylatol, On Thursdays, when I teach day classes and a once a week, three hour night class, I have a cup of coffee in the afternoon--it does seem to make it easier to teach until 10 PM and maintain my mental alertness.

The jury is still out as to whether I can tolerate the extra heavy organic cream I have been using, or whether I do better with just black coffee. I am experimenting trying it both ways for a while. I suspect the cream is something I do better with intermittently rather than every day.
shellycheval
 

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