Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

I don't post very often but feel the need to come in here.

It's clear that those least qualified to lead are often those most driven to seek leadership positions - fuelled by their appetitite for power, money etc but with little inherent in them that counterbalances these urges.

It's nevertheless a cop out to focus the blame on these people.

The reality is that the average punter acts to facilitate their beahviour. We're deeply conditioned to believe that finding a niche within the resulting authoritarian hierarchies is our best shot at a comfortable life. We almost all refuse to 'see' or to acknowledge this - never mind consider the bigger picture/longer term consequences of our actions.

Very few will act to separate themselves from/withdraw their support from these hierarchies.

The few that do so are easily isolated and neutralised. Yet (and this has been said many times before) if we en-masse had the insight and the wisdom to act collectively and wisely these leaderships and 'regimes' (at every scale and level throughout our societies) would be rendered powerless overnight.

It's easier said than done, but there has got to be some willingness to expend effort/accept some cost to do and/or support what is right.

Against that the difficulty is that if everybody with a view acted on it our societies would quickly descend into chaos. For this to work a large enough majority within a population must as well as caring possess the wisdom to contribute to co-operatively figuring out and impelementating bottom up solutions that work holistically/at all levels.

The bottom line is perhaps that the outcomes manifested by our societies reflect their moral (in terms of their ability to truly act out of wisdom and compassion) centre of gravity.

It's a complicated picture, but we're in the West at a very low point. We're reaping the consequences of our having long been asleep at the wheel - of our being seduced by impossible promises while failing to see that we were being led in directions which very definitely were not for the greatest good of ourselves and/or of the world as a whole.

The good news is perhaps that the resulting deep change (with terrible consequences for some) amounts to a catalyst causing our populations to awaken like never before.

The very good news is that by some miracle (a balance between many factors at many levels - including the economic and military weakness consequent to years of entropic policies the West and the cultural resilience and evolved leadership coming out of Russia, China and the global south in general) we're as never before being treated to a technicolour lesson on the true nature and capability of our elites - in circumstances where they can't easily shove it under the carpet via the usual rush to world war.

2024 will be interesting...
 
ziutek said:
Yes Luc, those who should be condemned should be condemned but not in the way Polish MP Grzegorz Braun did it. By extinguishing the menorah with a fire extinguisher. :-D
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Could you give us a list of forms of protest against the genocide that Israel is committing? Writing with chalk on the asphalt? Putting Palestinian flags on cars? Not buying Polish water in Poland because it belongs to an Israeli company? Not buying Israeli cosmetics, well I don't because I don't use them. I support what Braun did, but strangely enough it coincided with the mayor of Dorohusk breaking the strike of Polish hauliers, which is a scandal, because Polish hauliers are being pushed out by Ukrainian hauliers, who do not have to comply with any conditions and have a licence to transport.
The Polish state is secular, so why should Hanukkah candles, a religious symbol of a foreign state that does not apply symmetry in its relations with Poland, be lit in the Polish parliament?
 
SOTTREADER said:
My impression of Dekel's posts, FWIW, is he tries to take the high road by framing things from an idealistic perspective.

I haven't seen that he can fully embody the position of Palestine to understand they are oppressed (and what this would mean) and I do not think he fully acknowledges the role of the false flags from the Zionist side. I think it's understandable though given he lives in Israel. He'd be putting himself in a less than ideal situation if he was seen as empathetic or a sympathiser to the "other" side and so he's left in this middle ground where he takes an idealistic stance.

These are just impressions purely based on my reading of Dekel's posts on this very specific issue, so fwiw.
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It seems a bit “off” to me to engage in a third party triangulation of another poster by addressing the crowd at large even if you are 100% right… ? I could be wrong.
 
Niall said:
Anyway, in this specific case, Hanukkah, you'd be hard pressed to find a 'satanic' essence (or even aspect) to the festival.

Hanukkah - Wikipedia
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That is also how I see it. The Wiki explains:
Hanukkah[a] (/ˈhɑːnəkə/; חֲנֻכָּה‎ Ḥănukkā listenⓘ) is a Jewish festival commemorating the recovery of Jerusalem and subsequent rededication of the Second Temple at the beginning of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire in the 2nd century BCE.[3][4]

Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days,[5] starting on the 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar. The festival is observed by lighting the candles of a candelabrum with nine branches, commonly called a menorah or hanukkiah. One branch is typically placed above or below the others and its candle is used to light the other eight candles. This unique candle is called the shammash (שַׁמָּשׁ‎, "attendant"). Each night, one additional candle is lit by the shammash until all eight candles are lit together on the final night of the festival.[6]

Other Hanukkah festivities include singing Hanukkah songs, playing the game of dreidel and eating oil-based foods, such as latkes and sufganiyot, and dairy foods. Since the 1970s, the worldwide Chabad Hasidic movement has initiated public menorah lightings in open public places in many countries.[7]

Originally instituted as a feast "in the manner of Sukkot (Booths)", it does not come with the corresponding obligations, and is therefore a relatively minor holiday in strictly religious terms. Nevertheless, Hanukkah has attained major cultural significance in North America and elsewhere, especially among secular Jews, due to often occurring around the same time as Christmas during the festive season.[8]
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About Kislev:
Kislev or Chislev (Hebrew: כִּסְלֵו‎, Standard Kīslev Tiberian Kīslēw),[1] also 'Chisleu' in the King James (authorized English) Bible, is the third month of the civil year and the ninth month of the ecclesiastical year on the Hebrew calendar. In the Babylonian calendar its name was Araḫ Kislimu.

In a regular (kesidran) year Kislev has 30 days, but because of the Rosh Hashanah postponement rules, in some years it can lose a day to make the year a "short" (chaser) year. Kislev is a month which occurs in November–December on the Gregorian calendar and is sometimes known as the month of dreams. The name of the month derives from Akkadian kislimu. But some popular etymologies connect it to the Hebrew root K-S-L as in the words "kesel, kisla" (hope, positiveness) or "ksil" (Orion, a constellation that shines especially in this month) because of the expectation and hope for rains.

In Jewish Rabbinic literature, the month of Kislev is believed to correspond to the Tribe of Benjamin.[2]
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About Chabad Hasidic movement:
The Chabad movement was established after the First Partition of Poland in the town of Liozno, Pskov Governorate, Russian Empire (now Liozna, Belarus), in 1775, by Shneur Zalman,[12] a student of Dov Ber of Mezeritch, the successor to Hasidism's founder, Rabbi Israel Baal Shem Tov. Rabbi Dovber Shneuri, the Second Rebbe, moved the movement to Lyubavichi (Yiddish: Lubavitch), in current-day Russia, in 1813.[6]

The movement was centered in Lyubavichi for a century until the fifth Rebbe, Rabbi Shalom Dovber left the village in 1915[7] and moved to the city of Rostov-on-Don. During the interwar period, following Bolshevik persecution, the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, under the Sixth Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak, was centered in Riga and then in Warsaw. The outbreak of World War II led the Sixth Rebbe to move to the United States. Since 1940,[12] the movement's center has been in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn.[13][14]

Chabad newspaper, Huh-Ukh (1911)Chabad of Boston Appeal (1927)
While the movement spawned a number of offshoot groups throughout its history, the Chabad-Lubavitch branch is the only one still active, making it the movement's main surviving line.[15] Historian øJonathan Sarna has characterized Chabad as having enjoyed the fastest rate of growth of any Jewish religious movement in the period 1946–2015.[16]

In the early 1900s, Chabad-Lubavitch legally incorporated itself under Agudas Chasidei Chabad ("Association of Chabad Hasidim").[citation needed]

In the 1980s, tensions arose between Chabad and Satmar Chasidim as a result of several assaults on Chabad Hasidim by Satmar Hasidim.[17][18][19]
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Here is a video about lighting the Hannukah Menorah which has nine candle holders, while the usual Temple Menorah only has seven.
How to Light the Hannukah Menorah
About the time for Hannukah, 2023, there is:
Hanukkah for the year 2023 is celebrated/ observed on sundown of December 7 ending at sundown on Friday, December 15.

Hanukkah is an eight-day Jewish festival with the first day known as Chanukah, Festival of Lights, and Feast of Dedication. In the Jewish calendar, the first day of Hanukkah is on the 25th day of the month of Kislev. In the Gregorian calendar, Hanukkah may occur between late November to late December.

Why do Jewish holidays start at nighttime?
According to the Torah, the story of creation in Genesis says “And it was evening, and it was morning day one”, “And it was evening, and it was morning; the second day”, thus night comes before day. So for the Jewish calendar all days begin at nightfall and end the next day at nightfall including holidays.
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Tonight must then be the day of the seventh candle, together with the middle servant candle, that means eight candles lit with one remaining.

When I looked up the Chabad movement, one blog entry explained:
Chabad & Zionism – Complicated Relationship
By: Sholom Kesselman

Chabad is in a very complicated relationship with the State of Israel. We are pro Israel but anti Zionism. We support the country and its military and work / pray for its success but don’t sing Hatikavah or hang any Israeli flags in our Shuls. We love Israel but we don’t mark or celebrate Yom Ha’atzmaut.

I would like to shed some light on this otherwise complex issue and perhaps suggest an approach which might be helpful to anyone looking for the genuine Chabad ideology vis a vis Israel.

There are three main reasons why the Chabad Rebbes were vehemently anti Zionism.

  1. The state was being founded by secular- anti religious people with a deliberate anti religious agenda. Many G-d fearing Jews lost or gave up being religious because of Zionism.
  2. Founding an independent Jewish state before the coming of Moshiach is Halachically problematic.
  3. The establishment of the state was being considered “Aschalta D’Geulah” – “the beginning of the redemption” and this was seen as almost blasphemous.
Because of these reasons, the Chabad Rebbes fought the Zionist movement and were against the establishment of the State.

It seems though that their position softened somewhat during and after the Holocaust. It became apparent then that we Jews had nowhere to go and we needed a safe haven somewhere. As such the only viable option was Israel and the founding of the state.

Furthermore once the state was established, there was no longer a point to fighting its existence. The fact was that there was a state and it was there to stay. So we accepted the situation and turned our effort instead to helping Israel in any way we could.

The further reality that millions of Jews were settling there meant that the fate of the Jews was tied to the fate of the land and therefore the state had to be supported. So Chabad became pro Israel because we are pro Jews and it was no longer possible to separate the issues. The country had to flourish economically and militarily for the sake of the Jewish people and so Chabad threw all their resources into “Yishuv Ha’aretz” – developing the land.

However we remained anti Zionism.

The nature of the founding of the state in 1948 remains problematic and the anti religiousness of it forever cast it and its founders in a negative and sad light. We can never celebrate that accomplishment or see it as redemption like.

To us Israel is the country given to us by G-d in the Torah, it is a Jewish country that should be filled with holiness and Torah and that is the country we will support and work to establish.

We won’t celebrate Yom Ha’atzmaut, sing Hatikvah, raise an Israeli flag or say Hallel, in fact quite the contrary. We will forever contemplate what could’ve been and how Jews coming back to Israel could’ve constituted a revival of Torah and Judaism and possibly then had Messianic meaning.

But at the same time we will strongly support the Jews there, the military, the economy and the development of the state. We love Israel and we love Jews and wish only success for our country.

Instead of fighting the secularism of the state, we have made it our mission to spread Torah and Judaism there and reach out with love to all our Jewish brothers and sisters there to help them see the light and beauty of the Torah.

We don’t believe that the founding of the state was the beginning of the redemption but we are at the forefront of the effort to bring Moshiach. We believe that very soon Moshiach will come and then we will see G-d’s presence return to Zion!
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So this relationship is indeed compicated.
Regarding the group, Satmar Chasidim, the Chabad had a conflict with in the 1980ies:
Satmar (Yiddish: סאַטמאַר; Hebrew: סאטמר) is a Hasidic group founded in 1905 by Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum, in the city of Szatmárnémeti, Hungary (now Satu Mare in Romania). The group is an offshoot of the Sighet Hasidic dynasty. Following World War II, it was re-established in New York.

Satmar is one of the largest Hasidic dynasties in the world, with some 26,000 households. It is characterized by extreme conservatism, complete rejection of modern culture, and fierce anti-Zionism. Satmar sponsors a comprehensive education and media system in Yiddish, and its members use Yiddish as a primary language. The sect also sponsors and leads the Central Rabbinical Congress, which serves as an umbrella organization for other very conservative, anti-Zionist, and mostly Hungarian-descended ultra-Orthodox communities.

After Joel Teitelbaum's death in 1979, he was succeeded by his nephew, Moshe Teitelbaum. Since the latter's death in 2006, the dynasty is split between Moshe's two sons, Aaron and Zalman Leib, with each holding dominion over separate communities and institutions.
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If one looks up Haredim and Zionism, it appears many of the old leaders did not like Zionism one bit, though today one third of those that are of Haredim orientation and live in Israel identify themselves as Zionists.
The Wiki on Haredim and Zionism also explains:
In the hope of winning over the Hasidic masses to the Zionist Organization, Theodor Herzl endeavoured to garner support from one of the most prominent rabbis in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, David Moshe Friedman (d. 1903), the Rebbe of Chortkov. He maintained contact with him for over three years,[7] during which time he tried to convene a conference of rabbis in order to promote Zionism; however, nothing ever materialized.[8] Friedman had been a long-time supporter of efforts to settle Jews in Palestine on the strict condition that they adhere to Jewish law. He had in fact been an early member of Ahavath Zion, a Zionist organization that was established in 1897 with the specific purpose of informing religious Galician Jews about the plan to establish a Jewish national home. Although Ahavath Zion was successful in attracting thousands of members and numerous rabbis from smaller communities, it could not stem the rising anti-Zionist sentiment among the majority of Orthodox leaders. Besides Friedman, they simply could not persuade any of the other great Hasidic leaders to support the Zionist project.[9] The Hasidim were particularly vociferous in their opposition to Zionism and they often protested against the Zionists. They even went so far as to ban the Star of David, originally a religious symbol which only appeared in synagogues, but it had now become "defiled" by the Zionists.[10]

In 1889, Rabbi Joseph Dov Soloveichik proclaimed that early Zionist initiatives resembled the 17th-century false messianic sect which was headed by Sabbatai Zevi. His son Rabbi Hayyim Soloveichik further warned: "The people of Israel should take care not to join a venture that threatens their souls, to destroy religion, and is a stumbling block to the House of Israel."[11] When the Zionists in Brisk claimed that Zionism would stem the tide of Jewish assimilation, Soloveichik felt that what mattered most for Judaism was the quality, not the quantity of it.[12]

Powerful condemnations of political Zionism continued into the twentieth century. In 1903, Rabbi Sholom Dovber Schneersohn of Lubavitch published Kuntres Uma'ayan, which contained a strong polemic against Zionism. He opposed the Religious Zionist movement, and was deeply concerned that secular nationalism would replace Judaism as the foundation of Jewish identity.[13] Rabbi Baruch Halberstam (d. 1906) took a leading role in opposing Zionism, in line with the position held by his father, Hayyim Halberstam of Sanz.[14]
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In 1912, Haredi leaders in Europe founded the Agudath Israel organisation which hoped to find a "solution to all the problems facing the Jewish people in the Spirit of the Torah." From the outset, the Agudah vehemently opposed the Zionist movement's replacement of the historic religious bond to the land of Israel with secular nationalism.[15] Israel Meir Kagan stated that the fate of the Jewish nation was to remain in exile until the arrival of the Messiah.[16] But with the spread of anti-Semitism in Europe, some Orthodox leaders became more favourable towards the aims of Zionism. Rabbi Isaac Breuer implored Agudah members in 1934 "not to leave Jewish history to the Zionists", hoping that religious Jews would assist in establishing a Jewish homeland.[17] Others remained staunchly opposed, chief among them the rabbi of Munkács, Chaim Elazar Spira (d. 1937), who was the fiercest opponent of Zionism among Hasidic rabbis.[18] Spira saw Zionism as a denial of the Divine Redemption and faith in the Messiah. He even objected to Agudath Israel because of its support for immigration to Palestine. In 1936, he initiated a publication against the Zionist enterprise which was endorsed by 150 rabbis.[19] During the wartime period, Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman (1875–1941) of Baranowicze wrote a pamphlet in which he blamed the Zionists for the persecution of Jews in Europe.[20] He rejected the notion that a secular Jewish state could be considered the "advent of Redemption." The goal of Zionism was to uproot religion and Jewish tradition.[21][22] At the 1937 Agudath Israel Great Assembly in Marienbad, most discussions were devoted to the question of the Jewish State and the Nazi rise to power in Germany, and increasing anti-Semitism in Poland and Lithuania. Palestine beaconed as a refuge for the religious European masses whose situation was gradually worsening. While the majority of attendees rejected the establishment of a secular Jewish State on principle as well as on practical grounds, a minority, which was influenced by the dire situation, was in favour of it.[21]
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It almost reads, as if some Jewish groups that were not initially in favour of going to Israel were herded in that direction by different means.

The Wiki on Haredi Judaism explains them as Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox Jews. The community has 1.8 million followers globally, and make up 13.3 % of the population of Israel. Due to a high fertility rate this segment grows with 4 % per year.
 
Al Jazeera is reporting families executed, including women and children, who were sheltering in a school in northern Gaza. No signs of shelling or missiles and according to a witness they were shot at point blank by Israeli soldiers.

 
Given his track record for intelligent, clear sighted and compassionate reporting, I provide the link to Jake Morphonios' latest update. I've been very downcast this last week following events in Gaza, it's been pretty hard to find any optimism as things unfold. I know Scott Ritter thinks differently, but all I'm seeing is civilians being routed. 20k and counting, right? The complicity from the western governments has made me seethe as a UK resident. I guess it's the same challenge for Israelis today; how to face up to the fact that "we" are the evil empire? Understanding it intellectually is one thing, understanding and processing it emotionally is another ball game entirely. On that latter point, that's where I'm at now. I've been reading about all this on Sott since 2004, but it never gets any easier to truly emotionally digest, despite it being easier to understand things now, the masks are off now.

What to do with all this pent-up anger and frustration, not to mention justified fury? They can just kill and destroy, and it's always been this way the whole world over. Almost no-one is unaware of this, but the info gets filtered through biased, programmed minds, how can any sane mind support the bloodshed since Oct 7th? It's a binary spiritual question for sure! I guess it will now make it easier to see one another as moral beings now too, based on this one issue as an easy example. Look at Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray now, cheer-leading for the psychopaths whilst projecting their Jungian shadows onto those of us who are feeling for the Palestinians. The worst thing is I'm not surprised, this was always in Peterson on a latent level, to say he's struggling to understand objective reality is an understatement.

And in the UK we have, as a choice in parliamentary democracy, we have the Tories or Labour?! Jesus frickin' Christ, gimme a break!:headbash:The Pathocratic State Apparatus holds dominion no matter what option we choose. I guess this is one of those "karmic and simple" understandings that we have to face up to. And I'm just one simple bloke in a sea of awareness and ignorance, struggling to stay afloat on a spiritual level. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side, well that is the old Yoda saying, right? This seduction, on a psychological level is what led to Anakin becoming an avatar of entropy, deception and murder, and ultimately in his refusal to die, he becomes Darth Vader. I've seen people online fall into rank levels of Jew hatred since Oct 7th. They're projecting their shadows too. Anger that becomes deviated and then stews into a classic old fashioned prejudice, antisemitism. But this remains a time for Jews to take a stand. Norman Finkelstein, Katie Halper, Aaron Mate, Gabor Mate, Illan Pappe, Max Blumenthal, the voices are there today and they're a triumph of quality over quantity.These people give me hope.

I'm just glad I've got some musical instruments I can seek catharsis in, at least no one comes to harm that way. You've gotta find a safe way to vent those negative emotions. Purify yourself through safe methods of expression.

The people of Gaza will remain a yardstick for our flawed (to put it mildly) spiritual state as a global collective. I'll listen to Jake now, at least it warms the heart to find a like-minded soul. Enjoy if you have the time.

 
mkrnhr said:
It's tiring to repeat what's been clarified many times, Zionism does not equate Judaism. That this confusion is still pushed by the Western elites is highly suspicious. At the surface level, it serves shielding Israel's (and the US regime's) crimes from criticism in the West (exploiting WWII guilt) behind the old "antisemitism" accusation, but the other face of the coin is that they associate all Jews, whether they support Israel or not, with Israel's crimes, whether they like it or not. It is super identity politics on an another level. They deny that Jews can have personal opinions and thoughts, which in a way, is very antisemitic. Not only that, but torturing and killing the Palestinian population, which is Semitic, is also antisemitic.
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To add, Judaism does not equate support for Israel either, and wanting Israel to exist does not equate supporting their genocide, there's a reason they came up with the term "self hating jew" to describe jewish individuals who would protest against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, in NY for instance, a lot of the pro palestine protests have been organized by jewish individuals.

I do think that the only division that we could perhaps try to identify is Human and Psychopaths, that is the one that mattes because it requires looking beyond the words and see the deeds. It's easy to want to explain things away in simplistic terms, but I would caution against it, that is precisely what the media would want us to do, to simplify the entire situation and blame an obscure and difficult to define group.

These situations aren't about identifying who to blame, but to really understand the phenomena objectively, or as objectively as possible. It wasn't germans per se during WWII, it was something acting through them, it wasn't Russians, or Muslims, it's the pathological element that uses whatever it needs to use to justify letting loose on humanity, a religion, political party, ideology or whatever.

Let's try to keep grounded and not jump to overcorrect, that's an easy way to spring a trap.
 
@SlipNet Beautifully stated. I too am torn by anger and the need to remain a spectator, just watching the show and learning. The podcasters you mentioned have been equally helpful to me throughout this ordeal. Them and needless to say this place most of all. Without the lessons I’ve learned from this forum and the books, I’d be blinded with rage. But I’m able for now at least to remain tethered and simply sad that this is what it is.
 
Going back through the transcripts, I note the C's have had a lot to say about the Jewish (Hebrew) people. According to the C's, their roots lie in Atlantis:​

Q: (L) What language is the root of this word found in?

A: Atlantean. Hebrew.

Q: (L) Where did the Jews come from?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Who was Yahweh.

A: Fictional being.

Q: (L) Who was the god that spoke to Moses on the mount?

A: Audible projection of Lizards.

Q: (L) Did Moses at any time realize that he had been duped by the Lizzies?

A: No.

Since there were, according to the C's three main races in Atlantis, one of which does not exist today, then I must assume that the people who became the Hebrews, the Israelites and the Jews were originally Aryans/Celts. We can also see that they were manipulated by the Lizzies from the beginning of their history, given that the C's have confirmed that Abraham and Moses were one and the same person (as well as being Jacob too). Interestingly, it seems the C's have been in communication with the Jewish people over many centuries:​

Q: (L) Is there any way we can prevent Orion abductions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why?

A: It would interfere with universal law of free will and service to self.

Q: (L) But we don't want to be abducted. Can't we stop it?

A: Not likely. They have more power than you.

Q: (L) Well then, why can't you help us?

A: Would interfere in natural progression of your race and theirs. Jews called upon us to save them - could not. And natives of your land from your race - could not stop that either. Natural progression, see?

I would assume here that this call was made at the time of the Roman siege of Jerusalem in AD 70. Alternatively, it might have been the Babylonian conquest of Israel in 587 BC, but I favour the Roman period. The C’s also admitted to communicating with the Prophet Daniel:​

Q: (L) When the Jews were dispersed, did some of them come to America?

A: A few.

Q: (L) Who was the angel who communicated with the Prophet Daniel [MJF: This was during the Babylonian exile]

A: Us.

As to the notion of Israel as the Promised Land and the Jews being a chosen people, the C's completely shot these claims down here:

Q: (L) Were the Lizards the ones who led the Jews to the "Promised Land?"

A: No. Were not led; followed their own paths in effort to escape the effects of cataclysms.

Q: (L) Why have they got this big legend about being chosen and led to the promised land?

A: More brotherhood influence and nonsense.

Remember that the Brotherhood are the 'Brotherhood of the Serpent', an ancient Lizard inspired group. They can also be equated with the Illuminati and the forces of antichrist too:​

A: Yes. When you store it in the bank, you are helping the Brotherhood AKA Illuminati AKA Antichrist multiply it for itself, all you get is the "crumbs" left over. And, the Antichrist can "call it in" anytime it wants to!

It would seem the Jewish people have been manipulated and used by the Lizards (Orions) over a very long period of time:

Q: (L) What was the "Ark of the Covenant"?

A: Power cell.

Q: (L) What was the origin of this power cell?

A: Lizards given to the Jews to use for manipulation of others.

Q: (L) Why was it that if you came close to this object or touched it you would die?

A: Energy overload; scrambling by reverse electromagnetism.

And it seems this manipulation by the Lizards and the Orions (including the underworlders - Nation of the Third Eye etc.) continues to this day with the Jews in Israel being set up, or allowing themselves to be set up, as patsies for the execution of STS 4th density's pre-Wave plans for humanity:

Session 13 February 2011:

Q: .... (Andromeda) Were the protests in Egypt orchestrated by the US and Israel?

A: No, but once started they certainly put their team in position. Global revolution is desired by them exactly as Reed described.

Q: (L) Douglas Reed? As in “The Controversy of Zion”?

A: Yes.

Q: (Andromeda) So that leads to the next question: How close are the Zionists to fulfilling their biblical end time scenario?

A: They expect things to ripen within two years.

Q: (Perceval) Is it possible that it's a preparation for a war of some description in the Middle East with Israel vs. the Arabs?

A: Possible but not likely as you imagine it.

Q: (L) I think he's imagining that they're really adversarial. The people are being made to be adversarial, but I think the powers in control even in the Arab world are all in cahoots. (Perceval) I was thinking in terms of basically where there would be a major conflagration in the Middle East and the Jews and the Palestinians and everybody would be destroyed. They would set scene where there would be a sort of pan-Arab nationalism that would turn against Israel... (L) Yeah, I think that's really possible, but they think they're going to be able to do a controlled burn and I think it's going to get out of control in ways they don't suspect.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Israel is a country that's full of the most concentrated bunch of psychopaths probably on the entire planet, and they certainly don't want to destroy their own kind. But they do want to destroy the Arabs. (Perceval) And in their hubris, they may end up destroying themselves. (L) Well, that's usually what they do. Lobaczewski said that the germ doesn't understand that it's going to be killed and destroyed and burned along with the death of the body it's infecting. And I also think that they don't take into account real earth changes. It's not that they can't think about preparing for some of these things, because obviously some of them do and they are preparing. But they don't seem to have this ability to really understand...

Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

And then there are the mysterious 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion', that are usually claimed to be a czarist hoax, but were apparently written by a mysterious group based in modern day Turkey, who the C's confirmed had ancient links to the Giza Plateau. For anyone who has read them, they are clearly being implemented step by step even if the Protocols themselves in reality have nothing to do with Zionism or the Zionists. Here is what the C's said about them:​

Q: One of the things I noticed in this book was that they said that there was a colony from the city of Harran in what is nowadays Turkey, and that this colony formerly resided on the Giza plateau. Is there any connection between this colony they mention and the fact that you said that the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ were composed in Turkey by an ‘Aryan’ source?

A: Yes.

Q: What relationship is there?

A: One and the same.

The Sabians of Harran

We should note here that Abraham in the Bible (who the C's said was a Hittite/Levite) had strong links to the ancient city of Harran, which in turn was connected to a mysterious group of star gazing and worshipping people known as the Sabians. It seems the Sabians, who were a mysterious religious group based at Harran, had at first worshipped the planets as the residences of the mediating spirits between God and man [MJF: which makes me think of the Zendar Council in the rings of Saturn], which soon turned into star worship. As astronomers, they kept written records that dated back to approximately 1500 BC, well within the timeframe of Abraham/Moses.

For those who want to learn more about the Sabians, I wrote a lengthy in-depth article on them in the Alton Towers thread (see: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians | Page 38 | Cassiopaea Forum), in which I incorporated details about the Sabians that I had gleaned from a very informative article written by Donald H. Frew called: Harran: Last Refuge of Classical Paganism (see: Harran: Last Refuge of Classical Paganism – part I | Wiccan Rede)

In my article, I tried to make a connection between the Sabians of Harran and the group who would write the Protocols and Zion, since the C's had confirmed that this group had formerly established a colony at Giza. It so happens that Drew was able to make this connection for me. Thus, I wrote:​

“In his article, Drew tells us that as early as the middle of the second millennium BC (which places it in the late Bronze Age, 1600-1200 BC), the Harranians established a pilgrimage site at the Giza Plateau in Egypt (Hassan 1946: 34). In later centuries, they would say that the Pyramids were the tombs of their gods, Idris (Hermes) and Seth (Agathodaimon) (Green 1992: 110, 174, 212).”

In that same article, I quoted from the writer Tracy R. Twyman who had made the following comments on the infamous Protocols in an article she wrote in 2004:

Around the turn of the century, a controversial document was published, the effects of which reverberated well into the middle of the next century: the notorious Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, long held by scholars to have been a hoax.

As the Czar and Czarina’s involvement with the occult and reliance on mystical advisors grew, so too did the paranoia in Russia about secret societies and their influence on national politics.

The mystical advisors in question - Rasputin, Papus, and a mysterious figure named Monsieur Philippe - also had a powerful enemy: Grand Duchess Elizabeth [MJF: was she behind the assassination of Rasputin I wonder?], who wished to see her own hired puppets acting as advisors to the throne. One such puppet was Sergei C Nilus, who in 1903 presented to the czar The Protocols of Zion, documents purporting to be the minutes of the World Jewish Congress, a Jewish conspiracy that supposedly intended to take over the world.

Unfortunately for Nilus, the Czar recognized it as a fraud, declared that all copies of the document were to be destroyed, and banished Sergei Nilus from the court.

Over the years, however, the document was published again and again, becoming a cult classic among anti-Semites, who fervently believed in the document’s authenticity. The Protocols were used to fuel the fire of anti-Jewish hatred after the Russian Revolution of 1917, as well as by the Nazis a few years later. Although at times a bit over-dramatic, there is something inherently believable about the Protocols.

They lay out in straightforward rhetoric the Machiavellian steps which an international conspiracy would go through to take control of the world’s governments and institutions, and to maintain power, largely through the manipulation of the masses, as well as those already in power.

It recommends the proliferation of dangerous creeds, philosophies, religious and political ideas such as Marxism, Anarchism, Atheism, and Darwinism, all to sow discord and cause the breakdown of traditional institutions, clearing the way for the new hierarchy of which the Protocols speak.

It is bone-chilling to read such a document as this, written in the nineteenth century, which predicts perfectly the results of a conspiracy that in every way resemble the world in which we currently live.

"But what the Protocols outline is much more than your typical paranoid New World Order scenario. They speak of a global monarch, "the King of the blood of Sion, of the dynastic roots of King David”, who as ruler of a new “Masonic kingdom” will be both the “King of the Jews” and “the real Pope”, acting as “the patriarch of an international church.” [MJF: Could this person be presented as the Messiah the Jews in Israel are looking for and for whom they wish to build the Third Temple?]

Of him, The Protocols state:

“Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the Kings and their heirs... Only the King and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is coming.”

She also adds:

"... it is known that in 1884, copies of The Protocols of Zion were found circulating amongst the members of a Masonic lodge to which Papus himself belonged - the lodge where the aforementioned legend of the wise Egyptian sage named Ormus (whom the Priory of Sion called themselves after) first surfaced."

"Papus” was the nom de plume of a leading 19th century Rosicrucian with links to the court of the Czar of Russia. This reference to Papus may provide a potential link between the Rosicrucians and the mysterious Aryan group based in Turkey who were behind the composition of ‘The Protocols of Zion’.

Hence, again we see manipulation of events behind the scenes by a mysterious group, which could have Rosicrucian links, bearing in mind here that the C's told us that the "Rosteem, now manifests as the Rosicrucians":​

Session 03-07-95

Q: (L) Who were the Elohim of the Bible?

A: Transdefinitive. And variable entities. [...] First manifestation was human, then non-human. [...]

Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from human to non-human?

A: Pact or covenant.

Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?

A: No, with 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?

A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.

Q: (L) What is their purpose?

A: As yet unrevealable to you.

Recalling here that Giza's old name was "Rostau" meaning "Rose Cross", perhaps it is now time to ask the C's what the purpose of the Rosteem or the Roscicrucians is and what, if anything, they may have to do with the current events unfolding in the Middle East?​
 

Summary​

Israel doubled down that it would continue its war in the Gaza Strip "with or without international support” a day after President Biden surprised many by saying the US’s ally was conducting an “indiscriminate bombing” of the besieged enclave.

A new poll shows that support for Hamas among Palestinians, including those in the besieged Gaza Strip, is rising and that about 90 percent of Palestinians want Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to resign.
The poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research underscores the challenge the US faces as it pushes for the PA to take the lead in its post-war vision of Gaza.

Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, said on TV that any arrangement in Gaza that leaves Hamas out is “an illusion and a mirage”.

Meanwhile, the humanitarian situation in Gaza continued to deteriorate, with nearly 85 percent of Gaza’s residents, almost 1.9 million Palestinians, having been displaced, according to the UN and cramped living conditions fuelling the rapid spread of disease.

+ The Israel-Palestine war could have a steep economic cost on the fragile, cash-strapped Arab countries bordering Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, according to a UN study.
+ A coalition of political appointees and civil servants in the Biden-Harris administration held a multi-faith vigil in front of the White House to call for a ceasefire in Gaza.
+ White House national security advisor Jake Sullivan met with Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the kingdom to discuss the war in Gaza.
+The prominent artistic director of the Freedom Theatre in Jenin has been arrested by the Israeli army.
 

Israel ‘absolutely’ rejects prospect of a 2-state solution after Gaza war ends, says envoy​

  • Calls from the UN for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire ‘just basically means we would like to welcome another attack’ like the one on Oct. 7, she adds
Israel’s ambassador to the UK, Tzipi Hotovely, said on Wednesday that her country will “absolutely” reject any possibility of a two-state solution after the war in Gaza ends.

Asked how peace might be achieved absent an agreement to establish a Palestinian state, she told Sky News: “Israel knows today and the world should know now … that the Palestinians never wanted to have a state next to Israel.
“They want to have a state ‘from the river to the sea.’ They are saying it loud and clear.”
Hotovely criticized the Palestinian Authority for refusing to condemn the attack on Israel by Hamas on Oct. 7. And in response to UN calls for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, she said: “Ceasefire? No. It just basically means we would like to welcome another attack (like the one on) Oct. 7.”

She added: “Do you remember any country in the world creating a humanitarian corridor to the enemy? I don’t remember you (the UK) helping Nazi Germany … and I don’t remember America helping the Japanese during the Second World War.”

Hotovely also rejected a suggestion by US President Joe Biden on Tuesday that Israel was bombing Gaza “indiscriminately.”
Israel’s campaign of airstrikes and ground assaults in Gaza over the past two months has killed more than 18,500 Palestinians, many of them women and children, according to Palestinian officials.

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Israel ‘absolutely’ rejects prospect of a 2-state solution after Gaza war ends, says envoy

LONDON: Israel’s ambassador to the UK, Tzipi Hotovely, said on Wednesday that her country will “absolutely” reject any possibility of a two-state solution after the war in Gaza ends. Asked how peace might be achieved absent an agreement to establish a Palestinian state, she told Sky News...
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It is a bit pathetic this strategy of "moral crusade" for the vassals, while in the "diplomatic war" they negotiate and thus advance in a genocidal war.

Following an Israeli line of thought, I believe that they do not want to have any state as a neighbor, because they want to possess the territories of their neighbors with any excuse, besides it is highly probable that if the war is over there will be other attacks on Israel like the one on October 7 just to show us that they were right.
 
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