Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide
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SlipNet
The Living Force
As I think it was T.C who wrote earlier in the thread, Gaza is screwed this time. Netanyahu has gone public telling the Gazans to leave immediately, knowing full well that the only exit point south into Egypt has been bombed. No surprise from that age-old psychopath, but there's no hope now, unless Hezbollah and Syria can respond in kind. They too know the old ways of Israel in combat, and are capable of giving her a bloody nose. But will they risk escalation by getting involved? Richard Medhurst thinks so, I will wait and see. These are very grim times. Thank god that MAD prevents them from going full-on Kantekkian in this world. Even the Lizards know better than that. And that's food for thought in itself!
Jo Bugman
Jedi
I’ve been watching RT in the mornings. They seems to be purposely reporting the destruction on both sides with an emphasis on this being a lose-lose situation with the civilian deaths.
In the evenings, I watch the American news with my parents and they repeat that the US is not doing enough to help Israel. Plenty of stories about Jewish families here that have missing loved ones. No coverage of anything from the Palestinian perspective.
My parents also did not think that Gaza is ‘under siege’, because Israel gave them chance to leave. I’m interested to see what will be the turning point for the older generation that spent many years being subjected to propaganda that Israelis are the victims and Muslims are always the aggressors.
At the beginning of Russia-Ukraine, my parents were very pro Ukraine, probably from years of hearing how the big bad USSR will destroy the world. Now, they are beginning to see the corruption, the neo-Nazis, and the pointlessness of the US involvement. I’m not sure it would be the same outcome for Israel-Palestine if the war drags on long enough.
I think the warhawks can really bang their drums now since Israel is basically America through the fact they are God’s chosen people, and good Christians (Americans) have to back God.
In the evenings, I watch the American news with my parents and they repeat that the US is not doing enough to help Israel. Plenty of stories about Jewish families here that have missing loved ones. No coverage of anything from the Palestinian perspective.
My parents also did not think that Gaza is ‘under siege’, because Israel gave them chance to leave. I’m interested to see what will be the turning point for the older generation that spent many years being subjected to propaganda that Israelis are the victims and Muslims are always the aggressors.
At the beginning of Russia-Ukraine, my parents were very pro Ukraine, probably from years of hearing how the big bad USSR will destroy the world. Now, they are beginning to see the corruption, the neo-Nazis, and the pointlessness of the US involvement. I’m not sure it would be the same outcome for Israel-Palestine if the war drags on long enough.
I think the warhawks can really bang their drums now since Israel is basically America through the fact they are God’s chosen people, and good Christians (Americans) have to back God.
SubnetUnMask
Jedi
We were talking about how Westerners were programmed to fear and hate Russia for decades... I was telling my Russian friend... if you think that is bad - then the programming that "Israel can do no wrong", well that's even more deeply ingrained in people's minds in the West. It's one of the biggest programs. And what happens to people when they come into contact with information that defies deeply held (programmed) beliefs? Their brain defends itself against this new information.. you know.. cognitive dissonance and all that..
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Yes, it is disappointing that he has gone so far as to call for 'hell'.
I mean, we knew that Jordan Peterson has insight in some very specific topics, but not in other areas, because he also showed ignorance regarding Al-Assad and the Syrian conflict before, going along with the idea that he was a dictator butchering his own people, and so on. So, I didn't expect him to have a clue about Israel, yet, the problem is that he really is unhinged with warmongering comments instead of at least showing some restraint.
He could at least adopt a more moderate view, knowing that escalation isn't anyone's best interest... but no, he just continues to call for escalation, trashing whatever he said previously about truth, responsibility, humanism, etc.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
Where I live wast majority of people suport Palestinians, and see Israel as barbarians. That is so since the time of Yugoslavia, Tito and Yasser Arafat. Even today many Palestinian goes to our universities. There are some miserable minority who supports Israel, but they are also usualy NGO workers and suport Ukraine, so they are not considered particularly normal.
I wonder why US is sending so big naval group? Two carriers, many ships. That is not logical. They cant do anything more to Gaza, than Israel can with the power they already have. I think that they even bombed Yugoslavia with only one aircraft carrier. That is not power you send for Palestinians, you send something big like that for powers in the rang of Russia for example.
I wonder why US is sending so big naval group? Two carriers, many ships. That is not logical. They cant do anything more to Gaza, than Israel can with the power they already have. I think that they even bombed Yugoslavia with only one aircraft carrier. That is not power you send for Palestinians, you send something big like that for powers in the rang of Russia for example.
SubnetUnMask
Jedi
It sends a message to the other ME countries, it's a bully tactic, a message for them not to do anything while this destruction goes on.
Yes, this vid really sums up the current state of the left as Keyhole has noted. Since they've completely lost the ability for critical thinking and now rely solely on which way the wind blows on social media, they are flummoxed beyond belief!
The situation with JBP is almost tragic, sometime ago, at the start of his popularity, he posed a very interesting question: "When does the left go too far?", a question he had researched quite well and that he brought up as a valid discussion point. But now, it seems that he has forgotten about the other side of the coin, or is unable in this case to identify when the situation has gone too far, or maybe he's unwilling.
I also think his business relationship with the Daily Wire and its presenters did no good in this regard, because the topic of the evident and documented abuses of the Israeli State is taboo, and so the free flow of ideas and discussions get constrained or shut down, something he is against in principle, or supposedly so.
I also think his business relationship with the Daily Wire and its presenters did no good in this regard, because the topic of the evident and documented abuses of the Israeli State is taboo, and so the free flow of ideas and discussions get constrained or shut down, something he is against in principle, or supposedly so.
I am still behind on this thread... but I have the feeling that there may have been a separate force like ISIS, on the ground, waiting for Hamas to breach the border. And it is them that are carrying out the atrocities. That would at least account for the massacre at the festival soon after the operation began. And watching the Brian Berletic video, there was penetration deep into Israel almost immediately. Was this also an advance force?
That is the benefit of using these proxies, no one knows who they are, and what is their objectives. Of course the reported objectives seem to line up perfectly to what Israel want to have flooded in the media.
I don't know, everything is just lining up too perfectly. IMO.
That's my take on JBP too, he can dissect an individual extremely well, but macro reality he can't seem to grasp. I daresay that he has a rather childish concept of christianity, Judaism and Israel by association, he can't comprehend evil.. poenology, and psychopathy, despite his psychological knowledge. He can extremely well denounce the hypocrisy of communism, hiding behind certain concepts to disguise totalitarianism, but he takes every word from the right at face value, even when they justify the worst of humanity.
I think it's unwillingness... or maybe even he's incapable of going there, his devotion seems almost religious. He used to ask a lot "would you be the concentration camp guard?" his attitude online lately would place him in that very spot without loosing any sleep apparently.
right, or maybe it wasn't a coincidence, maybe he gravitated towards them because he actually shared their world view, so it wasn't so much that they groomed him into their world view and he adopted it so that he could belong, is that he resonated with them all along and simply found its way to them. I remember getting an iffy feeling when he became good friends with that Rubin guy and thought, why would he be so fond of him? well, this may be why.
I suppose it's really sad, that it's incredibly predictable where people will go and what their reaction to an event will be just by knowing a bit about them. JP Sears is another one of such voices that used humor to deliver truth, but he was also such a compassionate individual, to take such a stance on this topic, just because he adopted the "right".. is disappointing.
I wonder if they have considered that they're falling for the lies of the same media empires that they have denounced as liars before.
And I can't help feel that this massive trick is being played out on all of us, oppose the Irak invasion, jump on the left, but not too quick, because Obama needs opposition, jump on the right, support Trump because Biden and Clinton are lunatics, and support the Walsh and Shapiro and Peterson and JP Sears, Kennedy... but not too quick because now they all support Israel and so on... and I can't help but think that someone is looking at all this and laughing at people freaking out, not about what's actually going on, the carnage and lies and death and destruction, no.. people are freaking out about picking a side.
And so they observe their surroundings, and the public figures they hate.. and pick the opposing side, by default. No one is really thinking about anything, it's like no one's an adult anymore.
I remember Laura's words from way back.. there is really a program for everyone to vector one's thinking, attention and choices.
Interesting times indeed.
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