Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

I note what you say and agree with parts of your conjecture. However, having terrorist groups on the border (and perhaps more off the intelligence radar) can be useful if you wish to perpetrate a spectacular (e.g., a dirty bomb attack) to ram it home to Americans that they are not safe in their own country. Such an investment of men and resources would pay off in rich dividends for Hamas or Hezbollah as regards their image as Islamic freedom fighters taking on the great Satan in its own backyard. As you mention, it may even be permitted and condoned by the secret government so as to create a climate of fear justifying more restrictions on Americans' freedom (herding the sheep under tighter and tighter control) and to stoke divisions within the population. At some level, the intelligence agencies and terrorist groups may be all viewed as assets of the secret world government who can be played off against one another where necessary in the great chess game that is being played out on the big blue marble.

As to Hamas or Hezbollah operating secretly in Mexico or on the US border, terrorism can make for strange bedfellows at times. For example, back in the 1970's, the Irish Republican Army (who posed nominally as Irish Roman Catholic freedom fighters) sent its personnel over to the Middle East where they trained with PLO operatives (who were predominantly Moslem) in countries like Libya. Like many terrorist organisations, the IRA were involved in crime in order to generate revenue for weapons. Hence, there can often be an overlap between terrorists and criminal syndicates, meaning you cannot rule out a link between Hamas or Hezbollah and some of the Mexican drug cartels. Business is business after all. Hence, as you say, you can't rule anything out here.​
There may not be actual terrorist bases in Mexico or the US, but I do think that potential terrorists from other countries are deliberately being released here. And attacks like you described may indeed be in the works for America. There's a few pieces I've read recently that I'll post links to that indicate there is at least a fear program regarding immigrants being spread in the news here.

I know Mike Adams of "Natural News" may be compromised (and Gateway Pundit too), but what he says in the article below about a foreign national sympathizing with Hamas and Palestinians blowing himself up in a grocery store could lead to martial law and control of stores by governments, resulting in the requirement of digital ID's and proof of vaccination to simply get food. I also recently read that Target stores are working with DOHS for security, and that in Chicago the local government is going to open government-controlled grocery stores.

Below are a few recent articles about immigrants from far-away countries entering this country. I have no doubt that even if they are all mostly innocent, our government will use their presence to create more destruction and chaos in their name unless we can call them out ahead of time. And IMHO I think Palestinians will be a part of that destruction - even if our government has to create that perception themselves.



 
I'm still catching up with this thread, but it seems like many in the 'intellectual dark web' and other conservatives who were speaking out about the far left idiocy have become so identified with their political leaning that it was instinct for them to go against the left and side with Israel. If they are mainly focused on right/left divides, it's easier to continue to go against the side that can't figure out what a woman is.

It's also curious how they cut down the potential for Russel Brand to get more followers just before this kicked off. Especially since he's recently had Gabor Maté on his show, a Jewish Holocaust survivor, giving an objective overview of what the Palestinians have suffered under the Israeli occupation.

Wow. If this latest Sinai war has indeed been triggered by a 9 11 style job, as the latest C session seems to indicate, the just-in-time character assassination of a non-partisan major regime and propaganda critic like Russel Brand potentially gains a whole new, much more sinister dimension.

They literally preemptively attacked and disqualified one of their most popular reliably critically thinking, factionally unburdened opponent of the Gaza invasion.
 
In Newsreal last Sunday, Joe and Niall mentioned how many on the right, who were able to see through Covid and immigration and other things, totally dropped the ball when it came to Israel. On the issue of immigrants, one wonders if the same people on the right, realise that a greater conflict in Israel will create another massive wave of refugees. Those refugees will first and foremost go towards Europe but it will also be felt elsewhere. Such a massive migration will create more tension, chaos and divisions in Borrell's 'garden'.
 
I see your point, but as I understand it, Russia is not under any international/UN sanctions, just state-level sanctions of the US and its vassals. Unfair they may be, and possibly illegal in certain cases (freezing of assets etc), they are not the result of UN decisions, which are implemented under a different legal framework. As I said, although the US would certainly veto them, the very discussion would put even greater pressure on Israel and undoubtably provoke reactions that would wake more people up to just how pathological that country is. I think there would also be a grim irony in Russia calling for such sanctions as well; it would be like throwing the west's hypocrisy back in their faces.
I understand the idea. I think that both points of view have a right to exist and in this situation it would be worthwhile to find out how this or that step would be perceived in the world. I, with your permission, remain with my opinion for the time being.

It's a good article, just a little long.
Two US satellite states are on fire
In the history of the State of Israel, as in a drop of water, all the most characteristic features of the political era of the XX century were reflected. Colonialism and imperialism have been replaced under the guise of democracy and justice... colonialism and imperialism. Racism and nationalism have been replaced under the guise of friendliness and good neighborliness by... racism and nationalism. Oppression and exploitation under the guise of resolving the contradiction between Muslim countries and the West have been replaced by... oppression and exploitation. Artificial delineation of borders and wars have been replaced by... well, you understand. In general, the project of creating a new state for the victims of Nazism, free from the fetters of the past, failed.


In general, a tangle of extremely complicated contradictions, problems and projects for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine in the numerous vicissitudes of the Cold War led to the fact that Israel turned, firstly, into a militarized outpost of the United States in the Middle East, and secondly, into a factor of military and political deterrence of the growth of sovereignty and development of Arab countries, Iran and Turkey.

But this is in general. If you dive into the history of Israel in particular, you can see the desperate and even heroic struggle for the implementation of the Zionist project, the national unity that deserves respect, pompous Jewish nationalism and many other things that make up the logic of the struggle of Israeli Jews for their existence in the "Promised Land".

On the other hand, we will also see the heroic struggle of the Palestinian Arabs, full of tragedies and drama. The profound transformation of the national liberation movement of the Palestinians from a pro-Soviet, socialist orientation to Islamization and anti-Zionism, very close to Judophobia.

The project of creating Israel, the history of this state and the resistance to it from its neighbors have always been used in the great political game of the great powers. The so-called Arab-Israeli conflict was an integral element of the Cold War before, and now it is an integral element of the global political process of expelling the United States from the Middle East as part of the natural withering of American hegemony. Palestine is the most important area of activity of the "Axis of Resistance" led by Iran.

The basis of the conflict between Jews and Palestinians is national discord, which was laid by Britain, America, reactionary Arab regimes and the Zionist elite of Israel in the idea of the interstate demarcation of Palestine. The 1947 UN plan tried to smooth out somehow, to ensure on paper some parity between Arabs and Jews, but it turned out to be unworkable in those conditions. Generations of Jews and Palestinians have been brought up and raised to hate each other.

Do you know how the Hamas and their supporters justify the current killing of civilians and hostage-taking in Israel, not on TV cameras? They say that any Israeli is an enemy of the Palestinian people by definition: a murderer, a rapist or an accomplice. Either in the past, or in the present, or in the future, because all citizens of Israel pass through the IDF and consider themselves to be God's chosen people.

Do you know how Zionists and supporters of Israel justify carpet bombing of Gaza not on TV cameras? Yes, the same way: they say that the murdered Palestinian babies with their mother's milk absorbed hatred for Israel and Jews, they are future "terrorists, jihadists," etc.

An American comedian recently joked that he had figured out how to quickly and painlessly resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. Jews and Arabs need to study history carefully, understand that Great Britain is to blame for all their troubles, unite and attack it together. Americans are still having fun joking from overseas about the "problems of the natives," but there is some truth in this joke. The American also forgot, however, that Israel survived through the efforts of the United States, turning into an aggressive militarized state, whose historical fate is still a foregone conclusion. J. Marshall and J. Forrestal back in 1947 Truman was warned that "millions of Arabs will prevail over thousands of Jews, oil is the side we should stick to." However, the narrow-minded politicians of the middle of the last century did not yet realize that the greatest benefit for America is a constant, systemic, sluggish confrontation in the Middle East. On a completely ridiculous religious-ethnic issue.

Sane Jews have long warned about the dangers of Zionism and the Jewish state in Palestine. The outstanding Jewish playwright Sholom Aleichem also jokingly remarked that Zionism is when one Jew tries to convince a third Jew to move to Palestine with the money of a second Jew.

The famous Jewish science fiction writer Yoel Matveev said: "The narrative of the connection of Jews with the Land of Israel before the advent of Zionism at the end of the XIX century meant the belief in the special sanctity of this land and that in the future the Messiah, the divine prophet and miracle worker, will take away the few righteous who survived the previous apocalyptic events to the new Jerusalem that descended from the sky. There are several variants of this belief, more or less mundane, but in general, Jews perceived the Land of Israel exactly as a future arena of apocalyptic and messianic events… The Jewish tradition (Talmudic) strictly forbids doing this and demands to wait peacefully for the miraculous coming of the Messiah. That is why most Orthodox Christians considered Zionism a satanic heresy, and the most traditional ones still do today."

Many have seen atypical images of actions by various Jewish groups in Western countries that support the Palestinians. They proceed precisely from this logic that Israel is a trap, a trap for Jews, since this state exists in a hostile environment and does not provide security for Jews, on the contrary, turns them into expendable material of the West's struggle with Arabs and Persians.

The Palestinians have a similar, but much more tragic fate. They have become a bargaining chip in global and regional political games. Hamas, which is now branded in the West with the last words, gained weight in Palestine, ousting Fatah from the Gaza Strip, not without the help of Western intelligence services and Mossad. The United States and Western countries generally supported and support the Islamists of the East, from the Mujahideen and the Taliban in Afghanistan to the ISIS, so that the forms of the national liberation struggle of Arabs, Pashtuns and other peoples were the least constructive, the most radical and barbaric. Fatah and the PLO, although they initially used guerrilla and terrorist methods, advocated, firstly, for the independence of the Palestinian national liberation movement from Arab countries and great powers, and secondly, for the creation of a Palestinian state with equal rights for all believers, that is, for Jews. Today, Hamas is a tool in the hands of Iran and all anti—Israeli and anti-American forces in the region. From a global point of view, the expulsion of the United States from the region is certainly progressive, but it is hardly easier for Palestinian women and children dying from the carpet bombing of the IDF. And despite the support in words, no one is lifting a finger to protect them. All subjects of international relations pretend to take a moral position in the conflict, but in reality there is no place for morality in this policy, everyone cares only about their own interests.

The attempts of moral assessment of the methods of warfare between Hamas and Israel by those who remain above the fray are also surprising. They condemn Hamas terrorism, the shooting of civilians, the hijacking of hostages, rocket attacks on cities, etc. They equally condemn the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, the rhetoric of the Israeli leadership and the IDF. There are two questions for these humanists.

First, is it possible to miss the context of the conflict? Still, it must be explicitly recognized that the West has been subsidizing the Israeli military for decades, supports Israel far from only in words, extracting its benefits from this (according to the leftist American press, only this year, as part of the "usual practice", the United States provided military assistance to Israel for $ 30 billion). Israel is an aggressive militaristic state that oppresses local Arabs and threatens all neighbors with the approval and will of the United States, first of all. The Gaza Strip looks more like a Warsaw ghetto than a hotbed of Palestinian statehood.

Secondly, Hamas is one thing — an Islamist organization that has gained popularity against the background of the actual policy of Israel and the United States, using terrorist methods as a form of "the struggle of the weak against the strong." Another thing is Israel — a state pretending to be civilized, modern, responsible, recognizing all the norms of international law, etc. Erdogan said a wise thing about this: "Israel must remember that if it behaves as an organization and not as a state, then in the end it will be treated as to the organization".

Actually, the scale of the atrocities of Hamas and Israel are no longer comparable. The justification of the bombing of Gaza by the brutality of Hamas smoothly flows into the absolutely cannibalistic logic that a hundred Arab children are killed for the death of one Jewish child. The Nazis committed monstrous crimes and genocide on the territory of the USSR, but the Red Army did not exterminate the Germans in revenge, did not iron German cities. But the British and Americans with great pleasure erased both German and Japanese cities from the face of the earth. There is nothing to say about Korea, Vietnam, etc. So it's clear who General Galant is inspired by.

The cruelty and misanthropy that have surfaced on the information surface of the West in the Arab-Israeli conflict once again prove the hypocrisy and double standards of Western propaganda. What they tried to falsely accuse Russia of in Ukraine is openly and shamelessly being done by their beloved Israel. And anyone who doubts the "humanitarian nature" of the mass murder of Gazans is silenced, rallies are dispersed, etc.
Somewhere in the North Korean press I saw an expression about Israel — "a satellite state of the USA" (the DPRK, by the way, does not recognize Israel and unconditionally supports Palestine). This expression actually quite aptly describes the state in which Israel as a state resides.

Moreover, the Ukrainian regime, the modern Ukrainian state, is also a "satellite state of the United States." Made, unlike Israel, in a hurry, but nevertheless, in fact, it is also necessary for a narrow purpose: waging war with Russia.

So in fact, the United States now has at least two "satellites" that were caught in the fire of clashes. And according to the military and political actions of the United States, it is clear that the value of Israel far exceeds the value of Ukraine.

If we put aside moral reasoning for a second, then the war between Hamas and the IDF is a painful blow to American hegemony, it is beneficial to the Russian Federation and extremely not beneficial to the Bandera regime. It is not for nothing that the most odious propaganda of the West and ukropropagandists "found" a Russian trace on the very first day of the attack on Israel. But they judge, of course, by themselves and by their masters. The United States has never hesitated to unleash another war for the sake of at least a ghostly benefit. Even in Hollywood cinema, such a plot move is played out more than once that some American president, in order to distract public attention from another scandal, orders some "Papuans" to be bombed. Screenwriters present such actions as a manifestation of the cynicism of American politicians, but this does not penetrate the viewer. Neither filmmakers nor consumers of film products even think about the fact that this is a grave crime against humanity. Americans are so mired in the psychology of their exclusivity that they do not notice the loss of normal value orientations. Therefore, it is easy for them to "enter" logic: since it is beneficial to Russia, it means that the almighty Putin organized all this.

Some analysts immediately began to point out that US support for Israel would go to the detriment of pumping up the APU with weapons. One would think that they are wishful thinking, to believe the bravura statements of the Biden team that "America will pull two wars." But if you look at the milestones of the US strategic course in military-political issues of recent years, the picture develops in favor of the above-mentioned assessment.

Firstly, throughout its history, fears have been constantly voiced in the West that the quantity and quality of accumulated weapons do not correspond to the intensity of the fighting in Ukraine, the needs of assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine without reducing the military potential of NATO countries. Of course, there is some cunning in these fears, since the military-industrial complex corporations are extremely interested in whipping up panic and the growth of defense orders.

This is the weakest argument, but still it cannot be ignored. Even if this is partly true, it means that it will be more difficult to subsidize two wars.

Secondly, after its transition to the stage of protracted confrontation, the United States has significantly changed its approaches to China. If earlier it was about the aggressive unleashing of a new cold war, now there is a pause in the escalation of confrontation with China. If we assume the beginning of a military conflict in Taiwan — and this is the simplest and most obvious scenario of another US proxy attack - then what scale of financial and military assistance will be required to ensure that this confrontation lasts at least a couple of years? Considering the experience of the Ukrainian conflict. Probably, the Asian theater will require tens of times more armored vehicles, artillery systems, aviation, air defense systems and shells.

Thirdly, in connection with what has been said, the US flight from Afghanistan looks in a different light. If initially it seemed that the general reason for the withdrawal of the American military from Afghanistan was the unwillingness of a direct military clash with the Taliban, then after Ukraine a deeper plan is visible — a reorientation to the fight against Russia. The occupation of Afghanistan was an action from the previous era, with low political liquidity and marginality, but large military investments. It seems that in order to fan the fire of war in Eastern Europe, the American oligarchy abandoned its former toy — the Ghani regime. In other words, the United States is trying to focus on one big military conflict, saving resources.

They can say that the financial power of the United States is great, 100-200 billion dollars a year is not a problem for them. This is true. However, the weapons are not issued by the Fed. The production capacities of the military-industrial complex of NATO countries are limited, competition within the segment is considerable, corruption is huge, and it is not so easy to instantly deploy private production. There has already been information about a "sudden" increase in ammunition prices in the West. No one has canceled the laws of the market economy, it is much easier for the manufacturer to raise the price than to increase the output of products, especially high-tech ones.

Taken together, this suggests that if Hamas manages to draw the IDF into a protracted war, if Hezbollah and pro-Iranian groups attack Israel from the north, then the conflict will outgrow the Ukrainian one not only in terms of importance for the United States, but also in terms of the scale of the necessary weapons. And NATO's arsenals are already pretty depleted.

The fact that the United States will sooner or later throw Zelensky into the trash and abandon supporting the APU is quite obvious. They will no longer be able to create a new Japan, Taiwan or South Korea. Israel's war with Hamas definitely brings this sad outcome for Bandera.

Anatoly Shirokoborodov,

Я понял идею. Думаю, что и та и другая точка зрения имеет право на существование и в этой ситуации стоило бы выяснить, как тот или другой шаг был бы воспринят в мире. Я, с Вашего позволения, пока остаюсь при своем мнении.
Хорошая статья, только немного длинновата.
 
'Netanyahu's "justification speech" for ethnic cleansing in Gaza.'

30 Oct, 2023

'Seems that Netanyahu is in deep shit.'

By Virginia Pietromarchi - 31 Oct 2023

29 October 2023
 
Days of the future past

Stars of David appeared on buildings owned by French Jews in Saint-Ouen in the Paris metropolitan area.

An ugly memory from the not-so-distant past.

While governments or individuals from specific countries, regardless of their religious backgrounds (whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim), may make misguided decisions, it is essential not to generalize or hold entire nations or religious communities responsible for those actions.
 
I understand the idea. I think that both points of view have a right to exist and in this situation it would be worthwhile to find out how this or that step would be perceived in the world.
Yes, certainly, and I would also recommend considering this situation through a ponerological lens. It may provide additional insight.

I, with your permission, remain with my opinion for the time being.
LOL, you don't need my permission for that! 😄
 
BREAKING: Yemen's Houthis say they launched a large number of ballistic missiles and drones towards Israel, group's military spokesperson says

Full ground invasion has begun

Ground forces of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are engaged in heavy fighting with Hamas fighters deep in the Gaza Strip, the IDF press service announced on Tuesday.

"In the last hours, the combined forces of the IDF led by ground forces have been engaged in fierce fighting deep in the Gaza Strip. IDF forces attacked a palestinian outpost of Hamas in the north of the Gaza Strip. The troops killed dozens of enemies, destroyed anti-tank crews and anti-tank launch positions, observation posts and captured a large amount of weapons and explosives."
it is stated in the announcement.

 
I'd like to see this taken a step further and have Russia and China and many other countries calling for sanctions against Israel. Even if they get vetoed by the US, it will add both diplomatic and political pressure to the US and Israel and wake more people up to just how psychopathic Israel is.
Better still- recall ambassadors and send Israeli ambassadors back to Israel.
 
Interesting...

  • 11:54 GMT
    Israel can no longer be found on China’s leading online digital maps
    on platforms including Baidu and Alibaba, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing web users.
    According to the outlet, Baidu’s Chinese language maps still show the borders of both Israel and the Palestinian territories, as well as key cities in the region. However, they no longer identify Israel by name. Alibaba’s Amap also reportedly no longer displays the name of Israel on its maps.
    Read full story here.

  • Israel’s incursion into Gaza — Live Updates
 
  • 31 October 2023
    14:01 GMT
    UNICEF, the United Nations Children’s Fund, warned that Gaza “has become a graveyard of children
    during a press conference in Geneva on Tuesday. Spokesperson James Elder explained that children were dying not only because of Israeli airstrikes but also because they were not receiving necessary medical care, urging for an immediate ceasefire to deliver humanitarian aid.
    At least 3,457 Palestinian children have reportedly been killed in Gaza since Hamas’ attack on Israel earlier this month, the enclave’s health ministry said on Tuesday - nearly half of the 8,306 total recorded Palestinian deaths.

  • Israel’s incursion into Gaza — Live Updates
 
Every time Israel has started a war, or murdered Palestinians, the subject of the Holocaust has come up. The memory of this past, terrible yes, but which is used by the Zionists to show how the Jews are victims, once again. And so to make Jews living all over the world scare and victims (but victims of the Zionists, ignoring that they are victims of them), and let them feel insecure and also divide people, creating chaos.

When the Twin Towers were attacked, it was Muslims who suffered. And when Covid, it was the Chinese.

All this, now, to make us forget that more than 3 thousand children have died under Israel's bombs. To justify their war against Palestinians that have nothing to do with the holocaust, demonize Palestinians, the true victims. To make us forget everything. That's how it is, I think.
 
2007: cable between ISR Director of Military Intelligence, General Yadlin, and US Ambassador to ISR, R.Jones, showing Israeli support for a Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip so that ISR could then declare Gaza a "hostile entity."

In the transcript, Yadlin told the US ambassador that he would be "very happy" if Hamas formed a government in Gaza "as long as they had no port (air or sea)."

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There are at least two additional things Putin said there yesterday, which must be highlighted since they are pretty interesting:

By the way, I never cease to be amazed by the Kiev regime and its overseas masters. We know that Bandera and other henchmen of Hitler have already been put on a pedestal of honour, we know and see how the Ukrainian leadership applauds the Nazis of the Second World War, who were guilty of the Holocaust victims, who personally took part in these crimes, and today, under the guidance of their Western patrons, are trying to instigate pogroms in Russia. By the way, I am not sure whether all the leading circles in the same States are aware of this. It would not be a bad idea for those who care so much about the citizens of Israel to investigate what their security services are doing in Ukraine, whether they are trying to instigate pogroms in Russia. Scum, that’s all. There is no other way to put it.

But those who really stand up for truth and justice, who fight against evil and oppression, against racism and neo-Nazism, which the West encourages, are now fighting at the front – near Donetsk, Avdeyevka, on the Dnieper. I repeat: these are our soldiers and officers. And the choice of a real man, a true warrior, is to take up arms and stand in line with his brothers, to be there where the fate of Russia and, indeed, of the whole world, including the future of the Palestinian people, is being decided.

First, it seems to me that there is a possibility that Putin not only referred to the west and the US in particular with his statement but also Israel itself: That they are engaged in Ukraine via their security services.

Secondly, Putin says that not only the fate of Palestinians but the whole world is currently being decided on the Ukraine battlefront. Is that what he is saying?= Geopolitics; Ukraine is basically the nexus between the old unipolar world empire and the establishment/fortification/consolidation of the multipolar world? If that fails, the change into a better world fails as well?
 

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